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Senate healthcare repeal bill fails - Collins, Murkowski, and McCain voted no

JeTmAn81

JeTmAn81

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"Human trafficking is at its worst point"

Django wants a word about that...

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Jobbs

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mckmas8808 said:
Such a weird flip.
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It's not that weird. He probably wanted it dead. If he voted no the first time turtleman would just come back with another bill and the process would keep going. Now they can't take another stab at doing this under reconciliation because it went up for a vote.
 
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Brandon F

Well congratulations! You got yourself caught!
mckmas8808 said:
Such a weird flip.
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Not entirely. Puts the matter to a vote so it is on the official record and hinders the ability for McConnell to jam in something else under reconciliation(which is now off the table).

Had McCain given signs earlier that he was voting No, then McConnell would have pulled the vote and they would keep delaying this mess further. Of course, this is just one explanation, but it is consistent with McCain's pre-BCRA vote speech.
 
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dragonchild

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Jobbs said:
Now they can't take another stab at doing this under reconciliation because it went up for a vote.
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I'm no expert in Senate procedures but I don't get this. How is reconciliation a one-time thing? Does it use up all their mana? Empty the tension gauge? Is it a single-use item?
 
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tuffy

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dragonchild said:
I'm no expert in Senate procedures but I don't get this. How is reconciliation a one-time thing? Does it use up all their mana? Empty the tension gauge? Is it a single-use item?
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Introduction to Budget “Reconciliation”
Under Senate interpretations of the Congressional Budget Act, the Senate can consider the three basic subjects of reconciliation — spending, revenues, and debt limit — in a single bill or multiple bills, but it can consider each of these three in only one bill per year (unless Congress passes a second budget resolution). Consequently, in the Senate there can be a maximum of three reconciliation bills in a year, one for each of the basic subjects of reconciliation.
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JonnyDBrit

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dragonchild said:
I'm no expert in Senate procedures but I don't get this. How is reconciliation a one-time thing? Does it use up all their mana? Empty the tension gauge? Is it a single-use item?
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I think it's a rule to prevent abuse. Otherwise the Senate would push for reconciliation all the time, and legislation would be de facto 50 votes instead of the intended 60.
 
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Brandon F

Well congratulations! You got yourself caught!
PeakPointMatrix said:
It's too painful.

How did we end up this way.
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Sadly, we all know how, the question is can it be fixed? Can the gullible and the misinformed be reached again? Is this their vision of America? When truth, facts, and the law are considered inconveniences that get in the way of racism, bigotry, injustice, and indignity that are so desired by a cult. How can we move forward?
 
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Jeels

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Ridley1 said:
I disagree, the last thing you want in a president (and any politician) is corruption. Yes, Trump is a rude, crude, bull in a china shop and that rubs certain people the wrong way.

The current Obamacare disaster is a bit deeper and scarier to me than I see it being portrayed. The Democrats have won in many many ways but they seem oblivious to it. I'm sure you've seen the videos comparing Trump's speeches to Bill Clinton's. Everyone has moved left and the current Republicans are as liberal now as the Democrats were in the 90's....probably more so considering Trump's pro LBGT stance.

Obamacare passed without a single Republican vote and with ample help from the MSM to lie to the "stupid American people" (those were Jonathan Gruber's, Obama Care's architect's words). On a very very high level the government was paying for healthcare for certain people. They hoped that by getting more people and young people to sign up (those people statistically pay more for insurance than they would incur healthcare costs) healthcare companies would win and be happy. It didn't work out that way and the free government money by design ran out Jan 2017.

So if someone is paying your bills, and they stop, now you have to pay your bills. If we s/bills/Obama Care/g the liberals have successfully equated this to murder. And so the scary thing is Republicans are afraid to vote for the thing they want/need for fear of the liberal backlash. (Quick tangent the same thing happened with the Russia sanctions vote. Liberals have falsely equated the confirmed "Russia interference" with "wikileaks". Since wikileaks seemed like a big deal then Russia interference was a big deal and punishments should be big. And in our post McCarthism if you didn't vote for the big punishment you'd be opening an investigation into yourself that you're a Russian agent.)

Obamacare didn't work. But people love Obama and his name is tied to it so they want it even if its completely irrational, broken, and unsustainable. Even worse, its already leaving counties uninsured which liberals equate to murder but now justify as long as its still called Obamacare? That level of idiocy and hypocrisy should be really really concerning to the American people.
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I don't even know where to start with this post...there's so much to unpack...Trump Pro LGBT? Republicans more liberal than ever?
 
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Brandon F

Well congratulations! You got yourself caught!
dragonchild said:
I'm no expert in Senate procedures but I don't get this. How is reconciliation a one-time thing? Does it use up all their mana? Empty the tension gauge? Is it a single-use item?
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As said, it seems largely to prevent abuse and potentially as a means to counter serious emergency fiscal accounting in certain laws. McConnell twisted the intent to fit the Republican agenda. Much in the way he did for pushing hearings for Garland's SCOTUS nom for so long.
 
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Robdraggoo

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Ridley1 said:
I disagree, the last thing you want in a president (and any politician) is corruption. Yes, Trump is a rude, crude, bull in a china shop and that rubs certain people the wrong way.

The current Obamacare disaster is a bit deeper and scarier to me than I see it being portrayed. The Democrats have won in many many ways but they seem oblivious to it. I'm sure you've seen the videos comparing Trump's speeches to Bill Clinton's. Everyone has moved left and the current Republicans are as liberal now as the Democrats were in the 90's....probably more so considering Trump's pro LBGT stance.

Obamacare passed without a single Republican vote and with ample help from the MSM to lie to the "stupid American people" (those were Jonathan Gruber's, Obama Care's architect's words). On a very very high level the government was paying for healthcare for certain people. They hoped that by getting more people and young people to sign up (those people statistically pay more for insurance than they would incur healthcare costs) healthcare companies would win and be happy. It didn't work out that way and the free government money by design ran out Jan 2017.

So if someone is paying your bills, and they stop, now you have to pay your bills. If we s/bills/Obama Care/g the liberals have successfully equated this to murder. And so the scary thing is Republicans are afraid to vote for the thing they want/need for fear of the liberal backlash. (Quick tangent the same thing happened with the Russia sanctions vote. Liberals have falsely equated the confirmed "Russia interference" with "wikileaks". Since wikileaks seemed like a big deal then Russia interference was a big deal and punishments should be big. And in our post McCarthism if you didn't vote for the big punishment you'd be opening an investigation into yourself that you're a Russian agent.)

Obamacare didn't work. But people love Obama and his name is tied to it so they want it even if its completely irrational, broken, and unsustainable. Even worse, its already leaving counties uninsured which liberals equate to murder but now justify as long as its still called Obamacare? That level of idiocy and hypocrisy should be really really concerning to the American people.
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Is this parody, what is this? Are these your actual thought (or lack there of) there is so much blatantly wrong here
 
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malfcn

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Everyone was confused when McCain said he would vote "no" and then voted yes. But he really was playing a game and did vote "no" - risky , but he did it and bravo.

I wonder if Trump had to have a new speech prepared after the upset.

And did he retract the hero label yet?
 
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BlastProcessing

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Koomaster said:
The ire directed at McCain was and still is valid. This could have ended days ago. Don't let one moment of clarity wash away all the sins he's committed since.

The man would still vote to strip healthcare from millions if only it was done in the way he approved. He pretty much said so in the statement he released.
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By returning to vote for the MTP but then killing the bill, McCain assured that they can't pass a healthcare bill under reconciliation until 2018 at the soonest. If the MTP didn't happen, then they could have held the bill all year waiting until they had the leverage.

I'm not going to defend the life of John McCain here, he has done plenty wrong, but this wasn't a moment of clarity. This was an intentional plan to kill this thing dead once and for all. He really wanted to punish McConnell here.
 
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Pastry

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I really don't think the House or Senate are stupid enough to try repeal and replace in 2018 with midterms coming up. Obamacare seems to be getting more and more popular every time it is polled.

With this failing and if Dems take the House in 2018 I think it's very possible that Obamacare survives the Trump admin.
 
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