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[boiled goose]

I sure capcom knows that since they do it with all there other games .
I think it was a matter of timing more than anything else.
If MHW was coming out lets say late next year i could see it being on everything .
But switch now out and they already full ahead .

I dispute that capcom knows what it's doing.
Look at dead rising, megaman. Lost planet, street fighter, now resident evil, and monster hunter. Also look at their decisions and missed opportunities during the last 3 gens. They make great games, but somehow always bungle releases and marketing.

I don't trust capcoms strategic decision making at all. What happened to megaman after 9 and 10 were well received? What happened to RE on wii after the success of RE4? SF4 does ok on multiple platforms, then SF5. Remember dark void?

 

[LordKano]

Yo-Kai Watch 4 on Switch confirmed.

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

Yo-Kai Watch 4 on Switch confirmed.

Speaking of which, how's the show doing? Is t still doing ok numbers or is it down hill.

 

[Busaiku]

Speaking of which, how's the show doing? Is t still doing ok numbers or is it down hill.

Rarely in the top 10 nowadays.
Pokémon Sun and Moon is usually in there though.

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

Rarely in the top 10 nowadays.
Pokémon Sun and Moon is usually in there though.

Guessing Pokémon won't be matched anymore.

 

[Skullwaker]

I do wonder what a potential YW4 would sell. Is it possible it could still sell 1m+ on the Switch?

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

I do wonder what a potential YW4 would sell. Is it possible it could still sell 1m+ on the Switch?

Ehh I think 500k would be its max on Switch first week because there are not many kids with the system.
Maybe a million lifetime?

 

[Aostia]

I do wonder what a potential YW4 would sell. Is it possible it could still sell 1m+ on the Switch?

Hard to tell without details about

Release date period
Switch install Base at release
Pokemon game already released or not
Swith price cut new positioning

 

[Skullwaker]

Ehh I think 500k would be its max on Switch first week because there are not many kids with the system.
Maybe a million lifetime?

Oh yeah, I meant a million lifetime. I think 1m FW is a little optimistic with the state of the IP.

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

Oh yeah, I meant a million lifetime. I think 1m FW is a little optimistic with the state of the IP.

I honestly don't know?
Splatoon did 700k first week?
Maybe?

 

[Aostia]

I honestly don't know?
Splatoon did 700k first week?
Maybe?

In this very moment I think splatoon is a stronger brand in the video game market than yokai

 

[Xbro]

I honestly don't know?
Splatoon did 700k first week?
Maybe?

Yokai Watch isn't as big as it used to be.

 

[Skullwaker]

In this very moment I think splatoon is a stronger brand in the video game market than yokai

I don't even think that's a question tbh. In 2015 the answer might've been different, but since then Splatoon has increased in popularity and Yokai has only decreased.

 

[Aostia]

I don't even think that's a question tbh. In 2015 the answer might've been different, but since then Splatoon has increased in popularity and Yokai has only decreased.

Yes
In fact I don't think splatoon can be used to predict a very positive performance for a possible YW4 on switch

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

Yokai Watch isn't as big as it used to be.

Your right

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Irrelevant. Claiming the MH series has been on the decline since it left PSP, despite selling 4million+ back-to-back-to-back (MH4, MH4U, MHX), is as disingenuous as stating that Mario has been on the decline since the NES since it hasn't been able to reach the sales of SMB.

How can it be disingenuous when it's true?

 

[Man God]

It's also a fact that MH sold a lot more total units on 3DS than it did on PSP.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

It's also a fact that MH sold a lot more total units on 3DS than it did on PSP.

I don't see what point you're making here. MH3U, 4, 4U, X and XX all came out when MH had hit the peak of it's popularity. The only games on PSP that enjoyed that privilege are Unite and Portable 3rd as they're what brought about that popularity in the first place. The point is, the franchise has saturated the Japanese market. They have to look westward and to the rest of Asia if they ever hope to see growth.

 

[Skullwaker]

How can it be disingenuous when it's true?

I think what he's saying is that neither MH nor Mario are on a 'consistent' decline. Sure, both have already peaked (as far as we know) but they're still pulling consistently big numbers instead of going down with each entry.

 

[Principate]

Thing is it's not only about selling copies .
MHW can sell 4 million copies and still make more money than any MH thanks to DD \ DLC etc etc .
Looking at things just as units sales only is not the way to go .
Of course we don't get access to that data but it's still something to think about .

It needs to otherwise it's a largely worthless endeavour. MH comes out yearly. This took 3 years to make. it would need to cover the revenue of a mainline and the expanded version unless Capcom thinks they can sell a world ultimate version at full price in the west.

Honestly MH was always well monitised. Unless the DLC sales do really well it may actually be a downgrade.

 

[BadWolf]

I think what he's saying is that neither MH nor Mario are on a 'consistent' decline. Sure, both have already peaked (as far as we know) but they're still pulling consistently big numbers instead of going down with each entry.

The difference is that Mario's success depends on the success of Nintendo hardware as well.

Capcom on the other hand can take MH wherever they want, they are not tied down like a first party IP is.

The PS4/X1/PC combined is a very, very beefy userbase that is buying a ton of software so it's natural for them to aim for it.

It needs to otherwise it's a largely worthless endeavour. MH comes out yearly. This took 3 years to make. it would need to cover the revenue of a mainline and the expanded version unless Capcom thinks they can sell a world ultimate version at full price in the west.

Honestly MH was always well monitised unless the DLC sales do really well it may actually be a downgrade.

And they will be reusing a ton of what they made in that time for many years to come.

 

[Yagami_Sama]

My only concern with Monster Hunter XX on Switch is, what Capcom expects from the game, in terms of sales.

If they are treating this as another test and the game did not achieve the sales they are expecting, this might lead to "Hey, we tried, the game bombed, and if you want to play Monster Hunter on a console, buy a PS4".

But lets, see, maybe 150k LTD it their goal.

/s

34./07. [NSW] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star # <ACT> (Marvelous) {2017.07.20} (¥7.800)

I was wondering how much this game has sold this week, and what a drop.

 

[LordKano]

I don't know if people are really serious with their notion of test games but that's not how Capcom is really making their business choices.

 

[Kyoufu]

My only concern with Monster Hunter XX on Switch is, what Capcom expects from the game, in terms of sales.

If they are treating this as another test and the game did not achieve the sales they are expecting, this might lead to "Hey, we tried, the game bombed, and if you want to play Monster Hunter on a console, buy a PS4".

But lets, see, maybe 150k LTD it their goal.

I'm pretty sure they expect nothing. All their marketing muscle is going behind MHW.

 

[Principate]

The difference is that Mario's success depends on the success of Nintendo hardware as well.

Capcom on the other hand can take MH wherever they want, they are not tied down like a first party IP is.

The PS4/X1/PC combined is a very, very beefy userbase that is buying a ton of software so it's natural for them to aim for it.



And they will be reusing a ton of what they made in that time for many years to come.

Sounds like a recipe for diaster. Do you think western fans would put up with same lazy assest recycling MH typically has? The graphical arms race is entirely different level and MHW already looks dated.

Unless they're planning to transiton back to handhelds again that's not going to work out for Capcom. They went cheap with RE7. See what happened,

 

[L~A]

Leg-o-meter - August 2017 Edition

Pokémon Sun and Moon is the new #1, since Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS has been out of the Top 20 for a few weeks now. But imo, it's GTAV that will end at the top at the end of the year.

Gotta love the fact that Animal Crossing: New Leaf has been in the Top 20 25 weeks out of 30 this year, despite being a game from 2012. That one is a true legmaster. Too bad we won't see the same crazy bit as last year, with three separate SKU charting at least once during the same year.

 

[KillerMan91]

Guessing Pokémon won't be matched anymore.

Well Pokemon is on its own downwards trajectory as well compared to past games (of course still selling really well but not as well as before)

 

[BadWolf]

Sounds like a recipe for diaster. Do you think western fans would put up with same lazy assest recycling MH typically has? The graphical arms race is entirely different levl and MHW already looks dated.

Unless they're planning to transiton back to handhelds again that's not going to wprk out for Capcom. They went cheap with RE7. See what happened,

Sure, because MH is a different kind of series. It doesn't need to start from 'zero' ala RE each time.

Besides, it's not like MH is something obscure, plenty of people know about it. It was just stuck on handhelds for a long while, whereas the west prefers consoles/PC.

And RE7's problem isn't about being cheap, it's about veering too far from what the fan base has been buying for years now.

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

Well Pokemon is on its own downwards trajectory as well compared to past games (of course still selling really well but not as well as before)

Luckily worldwide it has gain back sales(for a system much smaller than DS the fact that XY and SM will sell close to Diamond and Pearl will be impressive(also the fact that ORAS is the best selling remakes)

 

[Principate]

Sure, because MH is a different kind of series. It doesn't need to start from 'zero' ala RE each time.

Besides, it's not like MH is something obscure, plenty of people know about it. It was just stuck on handhelds for a long while, whereas the west prefers consoles/PC.

And RE7's problem isn't about being cheap, it's about veering too far from what the fan base has been buying for years now.

That has nothing to do with the point. Open world's are graphical showcases in western AAA that's why these games cost so much. A heavily recycled MHW sequel will not find widespread appeal. I'm sure even capcom knows this.

If they were aiming for 1 million maybe 2 worldwide such recycling would make sense but they stand no chance with doing that with aims of 4-5million plus. It's simply reality. Either they will have to bite the bullet and have long development times like everyone else. Transition the fuck out of that model or MHW will be the only multiplatform MH title for the gen.

It would take an extreme amount of naivete to think thy have any other realistic options or do you think western publishers produc games the way they do for shits and giggles.The market is harsh and extremely competitive.

 

[BadWolf]

That has nothing to do with the point. Open world's are graphical showcases in western AAA that's why these games cost so much. A heavily recycled MHW sequel will not find widespread appeal. I'm sure even capcom knows this.

If they were aiming for 1 million maybe 2 worldwide such recycling would make sense but they stand no chance with doing that with aims of 4-5million plus. It's simply reality. Either they will have to bite the bullet and have long development times like everyone else. Transition the fuck out of that model or MHW will be the only multiplatform MH title for the gen.

Again, MH is a different kind of game.

Horizon for example is about the single player experience, the story. The same goes for Witcher 3 etc.

MH is a full on co-op multiplayer focused game. And it doesn't really have much serious competition when it comes to quality/major games of this kind on those platforms.

 

[Principate]

Again, MH is a different kind of game.

Horizon for example is about the single player experience, the story. The same goes for Witcher 3 etc.

MH is a full on co-op multiplayer focused game. And it doesn't really have much series competition when it comes to quality/major games of this kind on those platforms.

There's plenty of similar coop games though not hunting action (as those all horrenously bombed). They're all GAAS outside maybe destiny since it did have a sequel in the end but even that had a fair bit of effort but and didn't come out soon after th first games. What talking about simply almost never happens outside of certain pc only success stories.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Isabelle got dem legs.

 

[BadWolf]

There's plenty of similar coop games though not hunting action (as those all horrenously bombed). They're all GAAS outside maybe destiny since it did have a sequel in the end but even that had a fair bit of effort but and didn't come out soon after th first games. What talking about simply almost never happens outside of certain pc only success stories.

So like I said, MHW doesn't have much serious direct competition.

 

[Principate]

So like I said, MHW doesn't have much serious direct competition.

It has plenty or do you think the hunting action genre didn't catch on in the west on PS4 by chance?

 

[BadWolf]

It has plenty or do you think the hunting action genre didn't catch on in the west by chance?

Oh?

Which IP on PS4/X1/PC is as big as MH and plays similar to it?

 

[KillerMan91]

Luckily worldwide it has gain back sales(for a system much smaller than DS the fact that XY and SM will sell close to Diamond and Pearl will be impressive(also the fact that ORAS is the best selling remakes)

Oh yeah. In west they have managed to turn the sales back to closer GB era. In Japan I think it's actually rather impossible to keep sales as high as they were when you look at the demographics of Japan. There just are less and less people buying games and when you try to sell over 5 million copies it matters.

 

[sphinx]

3DS YTD

2017 936.406
2016 796.005

I feel like this post from the 1st page deserved more attention.

it really is an eye-opener that 2017 is so far a better year for 3DS than the last one.

is there a historic precedent in Japan in which a console is faring better in its 6th year compared to its 5th?

 

[Principate]

Oh?

Which IP on PS4/X1/PC is as big as MH and plays similar to it?

Toukiden doesn't have the name but had similar gameplay. Crashed and burned. Dauntless is on barely anyones radar. There's an infinite number of MH likes on PC but they barely penetrated the west.

MH will have to be the first and only large success of this sort of game in the west on home consoles.

 

[BadWolf]

Toukiden doesn't have the name but had similar gameplay. Crashed and burned. Dauntless is on barely anyones radar. There's an infinite number of MH likes on PC but they barely penetrated the west.

MH will have to be the first and only large success of this sort of game in the west on home consoles.

The fact that you have to bring Toukiden into the conversation pretty much says it all.

 

[Sandfox]

The fact that you have to bring Toukiden into the conversation pretty much says it all.

If anything failures like Toukiden tells us how the west has taken to previous hunting games. You say there's no competition for MH, but that's because everything else similar to it failed to make an impact. That being said, MH will obviously do better than something like Toukiden.

 

[KillerMan91]

I feel like this post from the 1st page deserved more attention.

it really is an eye-opener that 2017 is so far a better year for 3DS than the last one.

is there a historic precedent in Japan in which a console is faring better in its 6th year compared to its 5th?

PSP.sold more in 2010 than in 2009 (Thanks to MHP3)

 

[BadWolf]

If anything failures like Toukiden tells us how the west has taken to previous hunting games. You say there's no competition for MH, but that's because everything else similar to it failed to make an impact. That being said, MH will obviously do better than something like Toukiden.

Not sure why anyone would even bother bringing Toukiden, God Eater or anything else into the conversation.

Even in Japan MH runs circles around them and is really the only game of its kind that sells that well.

 

[Alrus]

God Eater did okay on PC afaik, that bodes well for the PC version of MHW. (But it's not coming this FY...)

 

[Sandfox]

Not sure why anyone would even bother bringing Toukiden, God Eater or anything else into the conversation.

Even in Japan MH runs circles around them and is really the only game of its kind that sells that well.

God Eater sells pretty well.

 

[Principate]

If anything failures like Toukiden tells us how the west has taken to previous hunting games. You say there's no competition for MH, but that's because everything else similar to it failed to make an impact. That being said, MH will obviously do better than something like Toukiden.

Pretty much. MH doing better is meaningless on it's own. If we were talking about a needed sales of 1 to 2 million there's be no question it'd manage thT but we're talking about a requisite of 4-5 million.

If every similar game has bombed out the gate even ignoring their lack of a well known brand what on earth makes you think consumers will buy in great numbers a game like MHW not just once but it's low budget heavily recycled sequel as well in "large numbers".

It's like thinking hey I could win the lottery today if I buy a ticket. You could but be realistic here.

 

[BadWolf]

God Eater did okay on PC afaik, that bodes well for the PC version of MHW. (But it's not coming this FY...)

God Eater sells pretty well.

Good to hear about GE doing well, it's a solid series.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

If anything failures like Toukiden tells us how the west has taken to previous hunting games. You say there's no competition for MH, but that's because everything else similar to it failed to make an impact. That being said, MH will obviously do better than something like Toukiden.

Not really even in the west MH is more well known more than Toukiden .
Still at the end of the day your game has to at least look next gen and have marketing .

 

[TheLegendaryN]

Yeah I agree...Yokai Watch 1 sold 53 000 copies during its first week so Snack World should be on par

The big difference is that the Youkai Watch anime didn't start airing until January 2014, and that's when the thing blew up.

 

[Kyoufu]

Monster Hunter World looks 9999999999 better than Shitoukiden and its clones. Monster Hunter itself is also much more successful than those clones in the west. MHW may not look like Horizon, but nothing else does and that's OK. It looks good enough and if you've followed Monster Hunter since the PS2 days it looks excellent visually. A big leap from the series' norm.