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GamesRadar: Chloe Frazer is the Lara Croft you want

AdaWong

Junior Member
A lot of Gaffers have already said that Chloe Frazer (lead of Uncharted: the Lost Legacy) is more Lara Croft than the new Lara Craft (lead of Tomb Raider) ever was/is. Then this really interesting article showed up.

It's time for the Tomb Raider to move over, because Chloe's got everything you'd hope for in a heroine - video game or otherwise.

....One of the things that always jarred with me about the 2015 Tomb Raider reboot is that Lara goes from innocent teenager desperately wanting to follow in her father's explorer footsteps to a dual-pistol-wielding mass murderer, with little more than a few tears and an ”oh God, what have I done?"

For Chloe, on the other hand, all of that is old hat. When we meet her first in Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, she's already a highly experienced and well-known member of the criminal underworld. You already know her backstory if you've been immersed in the Uncharted series and The Lost Legacy doesn't need to waste time dealing with those emotions, which makes for a much stronger character arc than the revamped Lara Croft.

Naughty Dog doesn't shy away from presenting her as a woman

But despite the fact she is a badass, professional thief, Naughty Dog is careful to explore Chloe's more fragile, sensitive side. But the developer does it in a way that's entirely human, and not just in one fleeting scene either.

It actually starts right at the beginning of the game. Within the first hour, Chloe is exploring the back streets of an Indian town currently in the midst of warfare. Armed soldiers wander the street, beating civilians as they see fit and forcing others into the backs of trucks or their homes.

Although I won't drop any major spoiler bombs here, there are scenes later in the story that see Chloe dealing with some major personal issues. The fact Naughty Dog doesn't fear showing Chloe crying later on in the game shows her sensitivity, and when you contrast that against her sass and bravado... it's incredibly powerful.


She's in touch with her heritage

It's also a delight that the hero of this story isn't a white male, but isn't a white female either. Chloe's half-Indian, half-Australian and a welcome change to the norm. But Chloe's heritage goes further than her skin colour, she's also totally tapped into extensive theology surrounding Hinduism, its Gods, and its rich history. Despite some serious time spent globetrotting in search of the latest mythical something-or-other, she's full of Hindu knowledge, which gets her and Nadine closer and closer to Ganesh's lost tusk.

The religious elements, and Chloe's direct connection to them, only adds to how empowering she is as a character and how believable the story feels - especially in the more emotional scenes.

And the story does go to some dark places, but Chloe is great at bringing humour and a lightness when the going gets tough. In fact, the sassy and sarcastic interchanges between Nadine and Chloe take the jocular dialogue Uncharted is known for up another notch entirely, to the point I found myself regularly chuckling at the hilarity of it all, despite the pair having just survived yet another near-death experience.

READ MORE at the source:
http://www.gamesradar.com/uncharted...ew-favourite-gaming-heroine-sorry-lara-croft/



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I say nonsense. I never really thought a whole lot of Chloe in the previous Uncharted games and I definitely did dig the new Lara. There's a chance I'll appreciate Chloe a lot more in Lost Legacy compared to how she was in the previous games though but Lara is fine as she is now.
 
I mean, she's the Chloe Frazier I want. She's excellent in this game but I think the Lara Croft comparison feels sort of facile. Agreed with the general notion that she was written well and Lara wasn't, I guess, but the rest just feels like a clickbaity way to talk about something that should just be praised straightforwardly instead of phrased as a potentially volatile comparison.
 

Alienous

Member
I say nonsense. I never really thought a whole lot of Chloe in the previous Uncharted games and I definitely did dig the new Lara. There's a chance I'll appreciate Chloe a lot more in Lost Legacy compared to how she was in the previous games though but Lara is fine as she is now.

Might be possible. Might be what the entire article is predicated on too.
 

alemmon

Member
I say nonsense. I never really thought a whole lot of Chloe in the previous Uncharted games and I definitely did dig the new Lara. There's a chance I'll appreciate Chloe a lot more in Lost Legacy compared to how she was in the previous games though but Lara is fine as she is now.

Well.... how can you say nonsense when you havent played Lost Legacy when that is what the article is basing this off of?
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
They're right. Lara Croft sucks, especially reboot Lara who has zero personality and has nothing remotely interesting going for her.

Chloe is kinda like Lara, except actually cool.

Stop pitting women against each other pls
Why

Women can be competitive too :p

I say nonsense. I never really thought a whole lot of Chloe in the previous Uncharted games and I definitely did dig the new Lara. There's a chance I'll appreciate Chloe a lot more in Lost Legacy compared to how she was in the previous games though but Lara is fine as she is now.
Hilarious post.
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
Stop pitting women against each other pls

Uncharted and Tomb Raider have been pitted against each other for a decade now. And the Tomb Raider reboot going in a decidedly different direction with the character left some people miffed, and no, not because she's less sexualized.

Chloe is absolutely in the spirit of old Lara.
 

Gestault

Member
I haven't played Lost Legacy, but a well written woman is a well written woman. Pieces like this that celebrate when that's pulled off are interesting, because they're a perfect intersection between creative output and audience expectations. That said, I think pitting representations like this against each other (more re: the thread title than the body of the write-up) is counter-productive in its own way, if thematically, the characters have different trajectory in the first place.
 

Toni

Member
There's a huge contrast in quality between Rise Of The Tomb Raider and Uncharted : The Lost Legacy.

Chloe is a lot better developed, directed and written than Lara.

Plus the combat is sublime in UC4/TLL. Where the same can't be stated for any of the new Tomb Raiders.
 
I say nonsense. I never really thought a whole lot of Chloe in the previous Uncharted games and I definitely did dig the new Lara. There's a chance I'll appreciate Chloe a lot more in Lost Legacy compared to how she was in the previous games though but Lara is fine as she is now.

Regardless of what you think of Chloe, Lara is not fine.

She is a hollow shell of a character with no real personality aside from vague behavioural traits like acting concerned and scared and suffering. She has no real development over the course of two games.

I absolutely hated Chloe in Uncharted 2 but while she's not nearly on par with the main cast she is infinitely better and more believable in TLL than either her previous incarnation or Lara.

I suggest people play both games before joining the discussion.
 
I haven't played Lost Legacy yet, but I liked her plenty in 2.

Did they redeem her from the character that fucked off from the story because it was getting too hairy in UC3?
 

Frumix

Suffering From Success
Old Lara Croft is the Lara Croft we want. Badass as Indiana Jones, larger than life, but a woman. That's what she was. Not every video game character needs to have depth and a 400-page backstory script. Nu-Lara is just a baffling psycho.
 
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So this is Chloe? Sorry but the reboot Lara is brain-achingly bad mainly because she is void of a distinct personality with witty lines and isn't sexy. No doubt Chloe might be a well-written character and such but what makes Lara Lara isn't that she is trying to be a well-written character, more of the fact that she is a symbol of feminine power and independence.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
I haven't played Lost Legacy, but a well written woman is a well written woman. Pieces like this that celebrate when that's pulled off are interesting, because they're a perfect intersection between creative output and audience expectations. That said, I think pitting representations like this against each other (more re: the thread title than the body of the write-up) is counter-productive in its own way, if thematically, the characters have different trajectory in the first place.

But... they are not. They are, in fact, impossible not to compare as both "female Indiana Jones" type of characters and pulpy tomb-exploring adventure stories.


So this is Chloe? Sorry but the reboot Lara is brain-achingly bad mainly because she is void of a distinct personality with witty lines and isn't sexy. No doubt Chloe might be a well-written character and such but what makes Lara Lara isn't that she is trying to be a well-written character, more of the fact that she is a symbol of feminine power and independence.
Good thing that Chloe is both a well-written character and a symbol of feminine power and independence... without gratuitous sexualization, even. ;)
 

gogosox82

Member
Lara Croft is just written really poorly in the new games. Her development as a character is so shallow as to basically be non existent. Her character is a combination of vague characteristics like being concerned or upset but nothing about her a person is explored or learned in the last two games. Chloe actually has a personality and that immediately makes her a better character since Lara basically doesn't have one.
 
It's time for the Tomb Raider to move over, because Chloe's got everything you'd hope for in a heroine - video game or otherwise.

Why is it time? The two of them can't coexist? I don't get the need to pit them against one another. It's not much better than the usual Marvel vs DC bullshit. Honestly, who cares? Both the TR reboot and Lost Legacy reviewed well. We've got one more videogame heroine now. Let's celebrate that.
 
Good thing that Chloe is both a well-written character and a symbol of feminine power and independence... without gratuitous sexualization, even. ;)

Classic Lara was living proof you could make a good character without the character being well-written. Her popularity and legacy stood the test of time and in the games, she did most of her talking with her guns and acrobatics, little dialogue and cinematic moments. I mean, games don't need well-written characters for it to be good or interesting, which is why board and arcade games were and are so incredibly popular - cause it's about the gameplay.

It seems, sadly, nowadays a female character needs to be "well-written" in order for them to garner attention and respect. The Lara I want is the classic Lara that turned heads without such to utter a word.

Why is it time? The two of them can't coexist? I don't get the need to pit them against one another. It's not much better than the usual Marvel vs DC bullshit. Honestly, who cares? Both the TR reboot and Lost Legacy reviewed well.

Yeah I agree, TR and Uncharted should both exist cause more options are better. Both games have their own strengths and weaknesses, it tires me seeing journalists dictating the opinions of actual people who play these games for fun.
 

Spasm

Member
I'm only on chapter 2 or 3, but I have a question; is there anything that really differentiates Chloe from Drake?

I mean, it's another Uncharted game, which is great, but it's not much more than a character-swap at this point, which seems like it could have been a good opportunity to try new things.

Nadine points out early on, "You're not an archeologist." To which Chloe replies, "I'm just a thief." Which got me thinking, if that's true, why is she tomb-raiding? Seems like it would be more in-character for her to not out-race her rivals to the prize, but rather steal it from whomever finds it.

Anyhow, like I said, I'm very early in the game, but already I think I enjoy it more than U4.
 

Rymuth

Member
Only started today and got to Chapter 4 and I can see where they're coming from. Chloe was already cool in UC2 but here, she's a lot more quick-witted and somehow even cooler. She's the Lara Croft we deserve as opposed to the boring one from Nu-Raider...
 
She's a much better Lara than the reboot version certainly, but that's damning with faint praise given what a terrible rendition of Lara Croft the new version is.

Also Claudia Black is such a better voice actress it's not even funny.
 
I gotta say TLL is really damn great. I am quite surprised.

And I hadn't even thought about the Lara comparison until this article, but I guess they are weirdly similar. And I loved pretty much every moment of TLL.
 

MCD250

Member
I mean, she's the Chloe Frazier I want. She's excellent in this game but I think the Lara Croft comparison feels sort of facile. Agreed with the general notion that she was written well and Lara wasn't, I guess, but the rest just feels like a clickbaity way to talk about something that should just be praised straightforwardly instead of phrased as a potentially volatile comparison.
Yeah.

I will agree to the extent that I think Chloe is a better executed character than the current version of Lara, and that there are even certain aspects of her personality that are evocative of the original Lara and the spirit of her character. But I take issue with this framing that pits one character against the other, forwarding the notion that the existence of female action heroes in videogames has to be some kind of zero sum game.
 
Why? Is there only room for 1 female character of this archetype in gaming?

Really bad news for the male protagonists then.

Lara is really badly written in the new games though, especially Rise.
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Classic Lara was living proof you could make a good character without the character being well-written. Her popularity and legacy stood the test of time and in the games, she did most of her talking with her guns and acrobatics, little dialogue and cinematic moments. I mean, games don't need well-written characters for it to be good or interesting, which is why board and arcade games were and are so incredibly popular - cause it's about the gameplay.
lol, classic-Lara is remembered fondly for a very obvious reason and no, it's not "about the gameplay". Let's not kid ourselves here...
 
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