More_Badass
Member
Not in a good wayDoes Alvin Marsh worry about his daughter a lot?
Not in a good wayDoes Alvin Marsh worry about his daughter a lot?
The Garage appearance is probably the best one, yeah.
Gave my mini review in the movies thread. I liked it a bunch! Beverly is the standout, she's great. Some good laughs, and while not scary to me personally, I think it had some really great horrific imagery. Plus the movie is more brutal than I was expecting. Definitely recommend it!
I do think this is very much like a King book in one important way: It's going to work really well on the people who, by virtue of their age, shouldn't technically be consuming it.
I've always felt that King's sweet spot with a reader is like, 12-16. Which is not who is supposed to be reading his books, but that sort of illicit thrill of forbidden goods heightens his work a hell of a lot.
This movie is bloody, and there's a shit-ton of cursing, but it's also sweet as hell, and I can't imagine that if anyone in the age of 12-16 actually saw this thing, they'd love it to death.
I remember feeling similarly when I saw Stand By Me at age 11. That was rated R, it was not "meant" for me, but it was endearing and immediate because it was honest about what being a kid that age felt like.
Since that's the exact thing this movie does really well, I think this will play best to those kids. It's essentially a YA film with all the PG-13 shackles taken off. Honestly, a lot of King's best stuff is the same way.
I bet the scares work a lot better on kids of that age than they might on kids of my age, too.
So speaking of that thread title, does the classic "he thrusts his fists against the posts" line make an appearance in the movie?
I've read the book multiple times so what do you mean when you say he talks more in the adult section? He leaves notes sure, but that's not talking. It's almost geared to make you wonder if he's still alive at first, so that's not accurate.
Almost positive he doesn't talk more in the adult section. Just in the Bill chapters alone he's a chatterbox.
Also he appears more as the clown in the novel than the other forms combined. You should re-read it.
I think you're confusing the TV mini series and the book.
I just want to know if that one scene is in the film, because I have complicated feelings about itand also because I'm not sure I want to see it enacted on film.(some narrative reason/but also maybe fucking your token female character for great power is like wow but also okay sure coming of age but also wow)
I also loved the three door concept with "Very Scary", "Scary" and "Not so Scary" written on each door.
But I didn't like the execution much. That deserved more time. But yeah, Eddie needed help
I'm going again this friaday with different friends. Can't wait to pick up more details.
It's not.
Oh I hope not because I left lol.For those that already seen it, is there anything at the end of the credits that warrants sticking around for?
@Macapala They do discover his weakness though: not believing in him. First time house on Neibolt St. Bills says to Ritchie about the pampflet that says Ritchie missing: 'It's not real'. And Bev figures out, right after, that they need to stick together. But it might not be obvious. When Pennywise tips over in the well, - his grand finale - he utters the word 'Fear!' if I recall correctly.
.
A few things though to highlight:
1. Sophia Lillis, the actress who plays Beverly Marsh, is going to be a star. She was the best part of this movie, and she's only 15! I was both disappointed and overjoyed when the Stranger Things kid called her Molly Ringwald, because that's who I was thinking of about halfway through
Wait, they call her Molly Ringwald in the movie ? (And why ?)
"It has shattered records to become the top horror film pre-seller in history, surprising 2011s Paranormal Activity 3. It also took the crown as Fandangos top pre-seller among September releases, eclipsing 2016s Sully.
MovieTickets.com, meanwhile, said It currently accounts for 54.4% of all tickets sold by the company through Wednesday.
...The movie completely butchers that concept. The kids don't really have well developed fears...
...We don't know what Ritchie fears - which in the book is the Wolfman from the movies, and in this movie it should've been Pinhead, or Freddy Krueger, but we only see him freak out over a pamflet that says, he's missing
Ritchie straight up says he's scared of clowns, and then gets locked in a room with a bunch of clown statues, dolls, and figures (one of which was wonderfully paying homage to Tim Curry's portrayal of It).
Should i read the book before I watch the movie or do the opposite?
Should i read the book before I watch the movie or do the opposite?
The only surprising moment, outside of the reinterpretation of what "floating" means, was seeing Aphex Twin attached to Stan's head. I thought for a second they were actually gonna off him there.
But then they didn't.
Honestly, Stan probably should have been pretty broken by the end. I kinda wish his "I hate you guys" had been played straight, no tension breaking smile.
Regarding Henry (Bowers): I'm wondering if they're going to have him somehow survive the fall, leading to physical and mental handicaps, and that's why he's in an institution when the moon starts talking to him.
But tell me, what was Bill afraid of? And Ben? And Eddie? What were they actually, consistently afraid of?
Eddie was afraid of germs. That was also well established. The other kids certainly didn't have as many clear-cut fears.
Bill
Fear: The loss of his brother, I guess?
Overcome: He overcomes this fear by shooting "Georgie" in the head.
Eddie
Fear: Germs
Overcome: When he stands up to his overprotective mother.
Shit I just got called to work. Somebody fix/finish this list for me for the other kids.
Also, who was it again, who sets Eddy's broken arm? I don't recall having ever seen a kid do that to another kid.
But Ben's was wonky, you have to admit. After he sees a decapitated head on that picture of historic Derry, he's chased by a headless zombie moments later: so what kind of fear is that?
Pretty sure it was Ritchie.
I remember thinking, as they were all running out of the house, that it probably would have rang a little truer (true as this haunted house movie could ever be, considering the nature of it) if Eddie was passed out and being carried by Ritchie & Mike as opposed to running out under his own power, because there is no way Ritchie re-sets that arm like that and Kaspbrak doesn't just black out.
But this movie isn't trying to operate in that way, and the next scenes came quickly enough that it wasn't much of a problem.
SPEAKING OF EDDIE:
Unless you were already familiar with the book and/or the miniseries, would you even know that the placebos were Sonya's means of controlling Eddie before Eddie yells that very accusation at her? It didn't occur to me until my friend brought it up, but there's not much about Mrs. Kaspbrak that's done well at all. She's not oppressively doting and protective. She's just kinda sweaty and gross. Using the pills as a lever of control over Eddie isn't really shown to be her plan until Eddie says it is, just before blowing that plan to hell and storming out.
(Also thought it was kinda questionable that the pharmacist wasn't the one to point it out, but instead a shitty schoolmate)
Derry is a corrupted horrible place, a twisted abyss of hate and willful ignorance and madness under the nice facade of a small town. It sold its soul to IT in a way, better to ignore and accept the dark heart of the town than confront itAlso, I didnt read the books so I have a question: is there any explanation for why the parents are so creepy in the movie? Everyone felt like a psycho... what is the deal with that?
Also, I didnt read the books so I have a question: is there any explanation for why the parents are so creepy in the movie? Everyone felt like a psycho... what is the deal with that?
Derry is a corrupted horrible place, a twisted abyss of hate and willful ignorance and madness under the nice facade of a small town. It sold its soul to IT in a way, better to ignore and accept the dark heart of the town than confront it
It's the American small town version of a Lovecraftian hamlet that accepts their good harvest by remaining quiet about annual sacrifices
There's an explanation for it in the books (and it's only kinda hinted at in the film in passing reference) but it's basically that the town itself is a mean, gross, scared little place, and the people who have lived there long grow to become complicit and a little twisted the longer they're there. Either they learn how to ignore the 27-year cycle, or they quietly figure out how to do their part in helping feed it, however small those parts might be.
So Eddie's mom and Bev's dad are shown to be the primary examples of this (almost none of the other adults really register. Mike's granpa gets one scene and that's primarily to set up Bowers putting a gun to his head at the end), but the sanitizing of Derry (it really is just a setting, not a character) hollows this aspect out, so it just kinda plays weirdly. Nothing in the town is as mean as it could (or probably should) be.
I do wanna speak to the earlier complaint that Ben Hanscom wouldn't have listened to New Kids: Plenty of boys did. I'd imagine a sensitive little kid who writes bad poetry on library postcards might find something of value in "Please Don't Go Girl" or whatever. That didn't throw me out of the movie at all, and set up one of the more satisfying sets of running jokes in the film.
@Memento The adults are affected by IT, and the whole of Derry is as well. In the book, Derry is basically haunted by IT, or IT has become Derry.