AnathemicOne
Banned
A sequel to a mediocre game is underperforming, color me surprised. I just hope that it's relatively poor sales doesn't affect the rest of Blizzard's catalogue. Game should have never been on the Battle.Net client.
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Japan: Destiny 2 underperforms, 60%+ drop from D1
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RespectThySole
Member
Destiny was probably the biggest game this gen on my personal friends list. There's still a good amount of people playing Destiny 2 on it, but the number seems considerably lower. There are even some diehard Destiny fans that haven't played it yet on my list. I'm talking people with 1000+ hours on the first one.
Also, the first game's reception wasn't that great with a lot of casuals I know in real life.
Also, the first game's reception wasn't that great with a lot of casuals I know in real life.
This certainly took a turn for the weird. Yikes. Anyway, North America numbers will tell the real story. If there isn't growth to account for three additional years of hardware sales, they have a problem. At that point, you'd have to conclude that either people were unhappy with how the content was handled for the first game, or it is simply a matter of there being way more games to play this year. If it is the latter, Shadow of War, Evil Within 2, and Wolfenstein could have some problems. Barring a press release, we won't know until next month.
I would not be surprised of hour counts are down for certain people even after buying it. Other publishers gave Destiny a wide, wide, wide opening based on what they thought the game was going to be.
I would not be surprised of hour counts are down for certain people even after buying it. Other publishers gave Destiny a wide, wide, wide opening based on what they thought the game was going to be.
You're an idiot.
Other thread wasn't enough for you?
Okay, so QuantumBro is clearly joking.
It's just that he's taking it out of the thread about that topic and really doubling down on the joke to derail other threads, I guess.
Good lord, Destiny threads bring out some people.
Let's try this again. You said this:
When I said, "That doesn't describe the game," I was clearly referring to the bolded part. Not the fact that it has a weekly reset.
I think you knew that.
It's just that he's taking it out of the thread about that topic and really doubling down on the joke to derail other threads, I guess.
Good lord, Destiny threads bring out some people.
Let's try this again. You said this:
When I said, "That doesn't describe the game," I was clearly referring to the bolded part. Not the fact that it has a weekly reset.
I think you knew that.
depths20XX
Member
So you're allowed to just shit post as long as it's trolling? The dude is beating that joke like a dead horse.
Sammy Samusu
Member
No Switch. No sales. 🔫
SanguineShark
Member
Yeah, this is understandable. Splatoon 2 has the luxury of being huge in Japan so it can be iterative and still sell well, but Destiny needed a bigger leap in its sequel for the Japanese and UK market.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
Are digital numbers included? All my friends prefer to have D2 on their console all the time
Maybe Japanese players prefer to play on PC instead
No...so to be honest, none of these doomsaying threads on D2's sales really add up to much I reckon without taking into account both retail and digital.
Once digital has been counted in, then the true comparisons can start: 2014 was a very different time to now in terms of digital sales. Also the PC factor is big here; Comparing PS4 only to PS4+PS3 is super unfair: PS4+PC vs PS4+PS3 is more like it.
Sir Vilhelm
Member
Interesting that up until this point any game with low sales had the opposite narrative. Few supporters claiming digital while getting dog piled that digital does not represent enough sales to make a difference.
The beta WAS 1 mission i don't dispute that BUT i have watched several stream to get an idea of what the game offers
are you fighting the same cabal enemies from year 1 YES
Are you fighting Atheon 1.5: YES
are you fighting VEX: YES
are you fighting taken enemy variety: YES
Destiny 2 is an improvement over destiny 1 i am not disagreeing with that but as a full blown sequel I am not too sure
Primethius
Banned
Okay, let me compare Destiny 2 PS4+PC to Destiny 1 PS4+PS3.
Destiny 1 PS4: 90k
Destiny 1 PS3: 50k
Destiny 2 PS4: 50k
Destiny 2 PC: 0k
AnathemicOne
Banned
Why is everyone relying on the PC crowd? WoW exists and it's on the same client Destiny 2 is hosted on.
I guess the gameplay is what I didn't like. Encounter design never felt great and I didn't enjoy fighting most of the enemies. I've thought about it before, but I think the lack of rapid weapon rotation are what hurts it for me. The way the game designs it's open world as well wasn't ever appealing to me either, kinda feels like the Halo 3 ODST open world, but that's the whole game, or at least what I saw.
It's not a good enough loot game for me either to stay hooked. That's something I thought Borderlands did a lot better.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
Exactly: Until the PC sales are posted for that week one, then it's a void comparison.
Not really. Destiny 2 will do well overall. D1 burnt some people, and others aren't enamoured with the gameplay/grind/loot/setting.
It's all pretty fair comment and it's not like D2 is some indie game going out on a limb doing something new and revolutionary.
The Hamburglar
Banned
not surprising.
they still refuse to release sales numbers from D1. only "20 million characters" which clearly included people buying second hand, game sharing AND the trial thing they offered.
Yeah D1 sold well, but probably not COD levels which people seem to think.
they still refuse to release sales numbers from D1. only "20 million characters" which clearly included people buying second hand, game sharing AND the trial thing they offered.
Yeah D1 sold well, but probably not COD levels which people seem to think.
Primethius
Banned
Is it? You could just fill in the blanks. Do you expect the PC version to sell more than the PS4 one?
No? Then the decline still exists. And it's still pretty notable. The existence of the PC version does not defeat the purpose of the thread nor the comparison.
ToLateToLove
Member
When Destiny released there were less games because it was early in the generation. Now everybody has a big backlog so I would imagine that plays a role in this. Ofcourse it's not the only reason but people seem to forget this.
Considering how misleading destiny 1s was pre-launch and how poorly it lived up to the expectations in the areas they hyped the most (story, exploration, etc...) I'm not surprised if people are avoiding it. I personally think it's a fantastic loot-shooter, but I'm not surprised if they burned a lot of people with it that just aren't willing to try again.
I'm sure it's doing well, and clear they're interested in fixing a lot of the issues with the first game, but I don't know how activision look at this either way.
I'm sure it's doing well, and clear they're interested in fixing a lot of the issues with the first game, but I don't know how activision look at this either way.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
LOL came into this thread thinking it was about 60% loot drops
FWIW I had the game preordered physical until the day before release when I decided this is a game thats perfect for Digital and changed my preorder.
I also convinced two of my casual friends, who were more obsessed with D1 than me, to go Digital.
With a, "you know how much you are going to play, might as well not have to change the discs".
FWIW I had the game preordered physical until the day before release when I decided this is a game thats perfect for Digital and changed my preorder.
I also convinced two of my casual friends, who were more obsessed with D1 than me, to go Digital.
With a, "you know how much you are going to play, might as well not have to change the discs".
Patrick S.
Banned
Sure, but getting digital numbers in and seeing it selling roughly the same as Destiny could not really be spun as a major feat. Half a billion dollars of investment in a franchise occurs for growth. It is possible the North American market reacts differently and does see an increase in sales. Or it is possible that this is a Watch Dogs 2 scenario and the first game being overhyped/undercooked hurts the follow up. We will know soon enough.
Assassin's Creed is not a great comparison. That game came out during one of the busiest release seasons of all time. For everything it fell short on, nobody was playing it because it was the only thing in front of them. Watch Dogs and Destiny had enough breathing room for people to spend a lot of time with them, and potentially grow to dislike what was delivered versus what was marketed.
Stallion Dan
Member
It's the sort of anti-consumer shit f2p games do to drag out their content.
Players should be free to do Nightfall, Raid etc back to back to back and get loot every time.
Not log in Tuesday after reset, do them once and sit with thumb up arse until next reset.
Hm? I assume you mean in Japan, no one is doing public events?
Rexatality
Member
By this logic, all MMOs are scummy because they have weekly resets.
AnathemicOne
Banned
Is Destiny an MMO? Again if it is, I'm still trying to figure out why everyone is putting so much faith on the PC crowd. Again Destiny 2 on PC is being hosted on Battle.Net, Blizzard's own digital platform. Said platform that also hosts WoW.
Why play a game that takes MMO elements and executes them poorly when you can play the other game on the same client being advertised to give you a full and better MMO experience? Current MMO players on WoW aren't going to jump on Destiny 2 beyond a first glance.
Alexander DeLarge
Member
Thing is they didn't show what changed the most, patrol. Patrol mode should've been the showcase for people and keep them engaged after they finished up with the strike and the story mode (after an hour of play).
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
Let's not forget digital sales are no doubt much higher in 2017 compared to 2014.
There are many variables at play here, too many IMO for a fair comparison and the doomsayer crowd.
Destiny is nothing like WoW, it's pretty much it's own genre these days.
AnathemicOne
Banned
A genre that apparently Destiny can't carry itself if the underperformance from Japan and UK are any indicator, both countries also are havens for MMO playerbases.
My point being is that people putting faith in the PC crowd to pull up numbers is silly. Especially when Activision is clearly trying to attract the Blizzard playerbase into purchasing the new title. Blizzard already executes top-tier raiding environments in the industry. Not to mention most of the WoW players wanting to get into Destiny 2 are doing so for free due to the abilitiy to transfer WoW in-game currency to Battle.Net balance which can then be used on Battle.Net itself, which Destiny 2 is being hosted on.
The Last One
Member
I don't get this relation.
AnathemicOne
Banned
Blizzard games are known for their quality and polish, yes even Diablo 3. Bungie's IP of Destiny hasn't shown me much in being worthy to be published alongside Blizzard's mutliple franchises. It's either a token gesture from Blizzard or Activision pushing heavily for Destiny 2 to be only available through Battle.Net. And right now with prospects of Destiny 2 underperforming where every single other Blizzard title on that list has exceeded expectations, sorry to put a negative light on Bungie's incompetence.
Again, Destiny 2 should have never been on Battle.Net.
Stallion Dan
Member
In D1 the strikes were useless once hit 20 because then it all about Light which Raids only provided, gated to one RNG roll upon completion per week.
For weapons the end game stuff was again Raids, and Nightfall/Weekly. Anything else may as well not exist.
Stallion Dan
Member
Shitty ones do, but there are a lot of shitty MMOs.
Thats fine, but its shown me a ton of quality and polish thus far on the ps4 version and what was played of the PC beta especially when compared to some of Blizz's games.
I mean in NA. It's cool tho they're not hard and it's easier to get them to reset.
DalikSkywing
Member
Both WoW and FFXIV have weekly and daily lockouts...
AnathemicOne
Banned
That's fine and dandy for you, everyone has their subjective tastes, even me. But so far with current numerical sources (as evidenced by this thread) the title is underperforming to its predecessor, I will continue to hold that opinion due to my own biases until a reliable statistic can come forth. But, again, Destiny 2, to me, is a current blight on the Battle.Net roster where every other title on that list never had any indication of underperformance at launch.
"Exceeding expectations" has been the Blizzard reputation for all its titles, does Destiny 2 match that? So far no.
Man some of the people in this thread worry more about sales than Bungie/Activision themselves lol
1.2 million concurrent players
Was #1 most viewed on twitch hitting 200k+ viewers during the raid release today
Still has to release on PC where most streamers will be going
Game is doing just fine
1.2 million concurrent players
Was #1 most viewed on twitch hitting 200k+ viewers during the raid release today
Still has to release on PC where most streamers will be going
Game is doing just fine
You can hold any opinion you want; its not even released on PC yet so lets not talk about the game underperforming. As for console release, 1.2 million concurrent players say otherwise. As a PC player, I think battle.net is the perfect home for destiny 2 to launch on due to the type of game it is.
Its exceeded my expectation so far and many others. Look at the reviews its getting. If it doesn't for you then thats cool. People can have opinions and all.
Can't say I've had that issue. Public events are always packed for me.
You must mean ARPGs or MMORPGs.
Rexatality
Member
Yet WoW and FFXIV have weekly and daily lockouts. I don't see anyone complain about them
So slamming Destiny 2 for having weekly resets seems disingenuous to me
Do we even know if Destiny 2 is going to be launched in Japan for PC?
Astral Dog
Member
no surprise seems bad word of mouth from the first Destiny affected the sequel.
thought it shouldnt change things at all for the series as long as the sequels are jump in quality
thought it shouldnt change things at all for the series as long as the sequels are jump in quality