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UK: Ultra Street Fighter II outsold Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite first week in the UK
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Circle-slash X-Men.
Let's not pretend USF2 has good reception.
The worst part is that I feel we can't just brush those "leaks" off as hoaxes because we know a good number of characters are being held as DLC.
Nightwing123
Member
Yes no X-Men not even Wolverine or Deadpool.
I wasn't ranking them in any order, otherwise we said the same thing.
funkystudent
Member
Can Marvel get the "but Digital!!!" excuse Destiny 2 got?
Marvel is definintely not blameless there, yeah. But even then, it was springboarded with Combofiend's abysmal PR which brought us to the "function" meme.
Gte out of here with that logical BS, don't you know? switch owners are giving crap to capcom just because they are salty MHW is not coming to the Nintendo switch. /s
I like your Pedro Navajas avatar
Looking at the steam sales, I'd say no.
Street Fighter V was eviscerated on launch for lacking basic single player functionality.
Monster Hunter World is looking to have a single player comparable at least to Monster Hunter 4.
So no, I'm not expecting the other shoe to drop at this point. There's a difference between healthy skepticism and unfounded cynicism.
Some of you guys commenting in this thread that didn't watch the game since its announcement should go and look at the initial thread on here for this. It will show you truly how they fucked it up. Everybody was so excited and hyped. Everything was good until the announcement in April, then people started getting skeptical. Then E3 and the roster leak is when things took a turn for the worse.
sixteen-bit
Member
Key Words: On Launch...... Not prior to the game coming out. It may work out for Capcom with MHW but you never know with Capcom.
sixteen-bit
Member
USF2 isn't super turbo tho. It's been rebalanced and there are system wide changes like SF3/4/5 style throw breaking.
We live in a time where a Nintendo console is better supported by Bethesda and NIS than by Capcom. Nobody could have predicted that last year.
My concern isn't what they've shown off thus far, which appears to be quite robust. My concern is how they're handling the content pipeline post-launch and if there's anything to expect in terms of microtransactions beyond the cosmetics that have already been announced, which I feel is much safer to treat with skepticism than to assume that they're going to nail those aspects as well as everything else thus far.
We already "know" (ie. someone told others to keep their expectations in check because some were expecting some really absurd 4-like sums) it won't compare with 4 (or 4U/X/XX). Look more to Tri's totals (~35 IIRC, between big and small). Number of zones total (since each is now much larger) is also probably going to be considerably down.
Not to say that this shrink will matter or negatively impact the title but comparisons to 4/4U/X from a content side of things would not be the type of marketing/image Capcom will want to set.
That said, I don't really agree with a previous notion that marketing/presence has really started in the West... or at least I hope they don't consider the current state as marketing or a presence. They need a concerted, western leaning effort to build momentum, not lavish assurances at the tiny but vocal core. When I look at Amazon, a decent metric for core oriented titles, and on release date announcement and pre-orders opened and the title didn't even reach ~Top 50, I consider marketing to not exist.
Obliterator
Member
No because Digital is a huge factor for Destiny.
For Marvel less so. And Destiny was also the biggest launch of the year while still being down from its predecessor.
Marvel is a legit unmitigated bomb
jufonuk
not tag worthy
These please yes these
It depends. Any sort of post-launch content pipeline should be approached with the attitude, "How would this be priced as part of a G-Rank rerelease?"
What we've seen suggests a bit more than Tri for the number of large monsters, which is nice. And assuming one more large area, we've got only one fewer large area than Tri, with far more packed into each area.
But yeah, I'm definitely not expecting this to match 4U in terms of the number of monsters.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
The beta had some people worried. Max talked about being worried about it's limited mechanics after playing hours of the beta.
I was on cloud nine the weekend of PSX 2016. Ryce started the hype train, then by the Thursday or so it was on full steam.
MvC3 to be re-released, possibly done by Iron Galaxy.
Then the MvC:4 rumors rolled in: MCU vs Capcom, 2v2 gameplay, Marvel to come in and make the eSports dream real.
Saturday night came by and it was amazing. Sure the gameplay trailer didn't look great but the "2017" release guess made the wait promising.
People were so excited by the possibilities! This could be Capcom's answer to KI's game as a service model. Returning MvC3 characters! Modern Capcom and Marvel new entries, including the odd-ball new picks! Old vets that didn't make it to MvC3! It was MAHVEL, BAYBEH!
The year that followed might of killed any goodwill that I had for Capcom as a competent fighting game developer.
MvC3 to be re-released, possibly done by Iron Galaxy.
Then the MvC:4 rumors rolled in: MCU vs Capcom, 2v2 gameplay, Marvel to come in and make the eSports dream real.
Saturday night came by and it was amazing. Sure the gameplay trailer didn't look great but the "2017" release guess made the wait promising.
People were so excited by the possibilities! This could be Capcom's answer to KI's game as a service model. Returning MvC3 characters! Modern Capcom and Marvel new entries, including the odd-ball new picks! Old vets that didn't make it to MvC3! It was MAHVEL, BAYBEH!
The year that followed might of killed any goodwill that I had for Capcom as a competent fighting game developer.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Neff
Member
I know, I own it. My point is that ST has already proven itself and then some, whereas MvCI is an unknown (and a fairly lame-looking unknown at that).
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
What a shame that he got shelved since I was so curious how he would works in the game.
Don't forget Rock*Star!
Right. Only problem I see is that the last half-decade of MH in the west is defined not by Tri (or 3U on WiiU) which very few played, but by MH4U and Generations (X). The audience established is used to a *lot* more content than what MHW will ship with.
It will be interesting to see if the media draws parallels/issues with the drop in content from the most recent mainline entries, or if they reference Tri and give it a pass on presentation.
Can't say I'm too surprised. MvC:I was a series of bad decisions from a studio that, honestly, I don't think 'gets' why the MvC series is so loved by more than just fighting game enthusiasts.
What baffles me the most about MvC:I is that they were forced into the MCU canon so hard yet most of the character models bare little resemblance to their movie counterparts. Why does Thor not look like Chris Hemsworth? Why does Captain America not look like Chris Evans? Why does Dr. Strange not look like Benedict Cumberbatch? Etc etc. That's not to mention just how bad many of the characters do look.
Of course I know why, it's because they would have had to pay more to use those actor's likenesses, but I'm pretty sure that having the MCU interpretation of each character would have brought in enough 'casuals' to offset that cost. It's not like Injustice where 'Batman' is a well-known figure no matter the incarnation, many Marvel characters are their MCU counterparts in the eyes of most people; Ben Affleck isn't Batman in the same way Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man, if you see what I mean.
Essentially, when MvCI could have given us this:
It actually gave us this:
What baffles me the most about MvC:I is that they were forced into the MCU canon so hard yet most of the character models bare little resemblance to their movie counterparts. Why does Thor not look like Chris Hemsworth? Why does Captain America not look like Chris Evans? Why does Dr. Strange not look like Benedict Cumberbatch? Etc etc. That's not to mention just how bad many of the characters do look.
Of course I know why, it's because they would have had to pay more to use those actor's likenesses, but I'm pretty sure that having the MCU interpretation of each character would have brought in enough 'casuals' to offset that cost. It's not like Injustice where 'Batman' is a well-known figure no matter the incarnation, many Marvel characters are their MCU counterparts in the eyes of most people; Ben Affleck isn't Batman in the same way Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man, if you see what I mean.
Essentially, when MvCI could have given us this:
It actually gave us this:
I'm expecting the latter. I doubt it'll be an issue for folks
Even a game that's low content by Monster Hunter standards will have over a hundred hours of single player content. I do think we'll see some complaining about the lack of a difficult G-Rank endgame, if X is anything to go by. But that will be from the hardcore fans who will still be buying and playing World anyway.
Also there are so many problems with the roster. No X-Men & Fantastic Four characters was and still is a bummer but I (along with many others) thought that would open things up for new characters. I thought MCU characters that people know like Daredevil, Loki, & Star Lord would be in. Didn't happen. Then on the Capcom side they got lazy. People just really wanted vets and a few new characters like Leon & Asura. They then basically cut beloved characters like Wesker, Amaterasu, Vergil, & Phoenix Wright. They knew the roster would be limited and instead of just getting the favorites in they kept around Spencer, Nemesis, & Firebrand. People weren't really asking for them.
Quintin DM
Member
God damn that's really bad, and it's a shame too considering MVCI is actually a really great game, but man Capcom just really dropped the ball with this one.
They dropped the ball, kicked it out of bounds, and into the stands.
I think part of it comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of their audience.
There will be three fucking Megaman X characters by the time Sigma lands, more than any other Capcom franchise. Now look at how well the Mega Man X series actually sold compared to Capcom's other games.
Source?
JonnyDBrit
Member
Worse yet: They were playing tennis.
But yeah, as someone who mostly paid only casual attention to the game, unfortunately a lot of the publicity about it was simply negative, and not a lot of what Capcom did was effective in countering that.
I am more suggesting it as a specter in the background than an actual upfront problem, mind.
@Toxi: Don't be so sure. For instance, I (and for what its worth, my MH local circle) will be getting this on PC (too many different consoles, not 3DS and no one's going to drop ~300$ just to play, and we all have PCs), but by the time this launches god-only knows what Capcom may do or announce, and I may never pick it up.
TheDinoman
Member
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom did it the best in terms of MM representation, I'd say. I liked how it covered three of the arguably most popular MM subseries (Classic, Legends, X) with their own character each (Roll, Volnutt, and Zero respectively). MVC3 took a similar approach, having Zero repping X and Tron repping Legends, but then completely dropped the ball by not including a Mega Man from the Classic/EXE/Starforce/whatever franchises. Now in MVCi we have three goddamn X characters with no love for the other series.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
roflwaffles
Member
Not surprised this bombed, but this bombed beyond my expectations.
I've been a loyal Mahvel player since COTA (my first PSX game) and have put more time into UMVC3 than any game in my lifetime, but they shit the bed with this. I still don't own a copy.
What's worse is that the actual gameplay mechanics are really fun, but it's so bogged down by a horrid roster, abysmal presentation, and no X-Men.
I would've bought day 1 if X-Men were in it.
I've been a loyal Mahvel player since COTA (my first PSX game) and have put more time into UMVC3 than any game in my lifetime, but they shit the bed with this. I still don't own a copy.
What's worse is that the actual gameplay mechanics are really fun, but it's so bogged down by a horrid roster, abysmal presentation, and no X-Men.
I would've bought day 1 if X-Men were in it.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
I agree with the premise of what you're saying, but at the end of the day, USF2 is quite different from Super Turbo. Super Turbo is almost like Melee: it's got a lot of little features/bugs/etc that make it unique, and changing any one of them can drastically change the game. Some of the ones that immediately come to my head:
- Ultra has no "old characters" which is a big balance reshuffle. That means no more tyranny from the likes of Old Ken or Old Sagat (depending on which tier list you're looking at, Old Sagat is the best non-Gouki character in the game.)
- Ultra has new style throw tech. That, at a very minimum, essentially eliminates any strategy around the "button mashing" throw loops (Ken's knee to the stomach, Dhalsim's yoga noogie, Boxer's headbutt grab, etc).
- Seems like the new characters in Ultra (Evil Ryu and Violent Ken) are kind of broken ("powerful")
- I think the "random damage" bug from Super Turbo has been fixed. That may not seen like a big deal to some (I certainly welcome the fix!), but it does change the game in a few ways. I can't remember if the bug was fixed in the HD Remix or not.
- There's other things I'm not even sure about, such as "can Honda and Chun still their supers in Ultra? Does the screen get dark during Claw's super when he touches the wall, or when he grabs you?"
This is all potentially undetectable to casual players, which is why I still generally agree with you that the base game -- based on Super Turbo -- is still expected to be good. But to advanced casuals and definitely the pros, this is an entirely different game.
The models in Guilty Gear Xrd probably took even more effort than the models in Injustice 2. That's not a valid argument.
Undead Fantasy
Member
Can't say I'm too surprised. MvC:I was a series of bad decisions from a studio that, honestly, I don't think 'gets' why the MvC series is so loved by more than just fighting game enthusiasts.
What baffles me the most about MvC:I is that they were forced into the MCU canon so hard yet most of the character models bare little resemblance to their movie counterparts. Why does Thor not look like Chris Hemsworth? Why does Captain America not look like Chris Evans? Why does Dr. Strange not look like Benedict Cumberbatch? Etc etc. That's not to mention just how bad many of the characters do look.
Of course I know why, it's because they would have had to pay more to use those actor's likenesses, but I'm pretty sure that having the MCU interpretation of each character would have brought in enough 'casuals' to offset that cost. It's not like Injustice where 'Batman' is a well-known figure no matter the incarnation, many Marvel characters are their MCU counterparts in the eyes of most people; Ben Affleck isn't Batman in the same way Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man, if you see what I mean.
Essentially, when MvCI could have given us this:
It actually gave us this:
I'm fucking dying HAHAHAHA.
I don't understand what Capcom was going for with the game or who it was targeting. It's arguably their hardest fighting game series, has a lackluster roster for casuals, and is a pretty damn big eye sore. Other than the people that are *really* into MvC, I don't see who else would be interested.
Maybe they're just planning to make up the difference with overpriced DLC.
Maybe they're just planning to make up the difference with overpriced DLC.
This is going to sound controversial, but I'm not against a wipe of sorts when it comes to expectations for what the core game constitutes for content in the series. The reason why MH4 and Gen were able to get the roster counts that they were able to, even before the G-rank expansions, came from throwing in the older gen monsters, particularly from 1 and 2, and working from there. I'm not against having such a wealth of content right away, but from a veteran's standpoint, one does wish that there was more truly new content to play around with (especially when the likes of the entire Gravios family still suck even with better mechanics to fight them with, which takes up four slots right there) and from a newcomer's standpoint, to go from fighting a small portion of the roster throughout the story mode and then drop into the higher rank stuff that features harder versions of those monsters and a wealth of stuff that they haven't even seen before is intimidating to the point of being too overwhelming. Paring that down is a good strategy to take if they want to treat this as the new entry point, which isn't so dissimilar from Tri's objectives, though not as extreme.
MisterHero
Super Member
Nintendo selling SFII this year like candy!
Lol @ the deflect at Nintendo's online
Lol @ the deflect at Nintendo's online