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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED

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disillusion386

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GinoFelino said:
TCL still the best bang for the buck. Anything else that annoyed you about the TCL or is it just your bad luck with it so far?

The X900 is a fine alternative, but I wouldn't buy it if I had the option to get the TCL.
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Just bad luck with the TCL honestly, and I actually loved the picture quality. I received two units, and both had two different issues. Maybe third time would have been a charm, but I'd rather save the time and hassle.

Either way, I returned the TCL this morning, and will likely wait until closer to the end of the year to buy a new TV (likely the X900e).
 
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stranger79

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FLEABttn said:
To be honest, I find the HDR Game Mode on the C7 to be perfectly fine in terms of brightness.

That also said, in SDR mode I keep the OLED light setting to 16 for a nice plasma type glow so maybe take my opinion with a grain of salt.
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That makes us two - oled 16 for sdr is just perfect for me
 
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GinoFelino

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disillusion386 said:
Just bad luck with the TCL honestly, and I actually loved the picture quality. I received two units, and both had two different issues. Maybe third time would have been a charm, but I'd rather save the time and hassle.

Either way, I returned the TCL this morning, and will likely wait until closer to the end of the year to buy a new TV (likely the X900e).
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Well, do remember that choosing a different brand could just as well result in another set of issues. The TCL has decent futureproofing due to its Dolby Vision capability, and you're unlikely to have buyer's remorse with a price that low.
 
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Marmelade

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That TCL sounds pretty great.
Very good TV on its own and the perfect placeholder for someone wanting to wait before dropping bick bucks on a higher end TV with HDMI 2.1 etc.
Too bad it's not available in Europe...
 
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disillusion386

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GinoFelino said:
Well, do remember that choosing a different brand could just as well result in another set of issues. The TCL has decent futureproofing due to its Dolby Vision capability, and you're unlikely to have buyer's remorse with a price that low.
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That's fair, but like I said, I don't want to deal with the hassle anymore as I've gone through the return process twice already. The TCL is also not available locally so it hasn't really been quick either. How many more times do people usually go back for replacement units before saying enough is enough?

And maybe it's from previous experience and some implicit bias, but I trust the Sonys, Samsungs, and LGs on build quality and reliability. If I also end up with several defective X900Es later, I'll consider buying a different TV altogether.

I'm not too worried about the buyer's remorse part either. I'm never an early adopter of anything so it won't bother me if the unit I eventually get doesn't have Dolby Vision. I'm more concerned about reliability and having a working unit for several years.
 
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III-V

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Weevilone said:
I'm wondering if we'll see TV manufacturers go the way of some AVR manufacturers and start advertising the individual supported features rather than proclaim support for the whole HDMI standard. I bet we don't see all of 2.1 rolled into one model year, but across several.
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No need to wonder, this will happen with 100% certainty.
 
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GinoFelino

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disillusion386 said:
That's fair, but like I said, I don't want to deal with the hassle anymore as I've gone through the return process twice already. The TCL is also not available locally so it hasn't really been quick either. How many more times do people usually go back for replacement units before saying enough is enough?

And maybe it's from previous experience and some implicit bias, but I trust the Sonys, Samsungs, and LGs on build quality and reliability. If I also end up with several defective X900Es later, I'll consider buying a different TV altogether.

I'm not too worried about the buyer's remorse part either. I'm never an early adopter of anything so it won't bother me if the unit I eventually get doesn't have Dolby Vision. I'm more concerned about reliability and having a working unit for several years.
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That's understandable. Except for the part about Samsung and reliability ;)

Weevilone said:
I'm wondering if we'll see TV manufacturers go the way of some AVR manufacturers and start advertising the individual supported features rather than proclaim support for the whole HDMI standard. I bet we don't see all of 2.1 rolled into one model year, but across several.
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Not all of the features HDMI 2.1 supports are even technically feasible for the mainstream next year.

However, I expect them to cram as much tech in there as possible. They won't want other manufacturers to take their share due to a more fully loaded spec sheet.
 
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DangerMouse

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Endorphineforeverybody said:
Will ask again: Have a question about HDMI. If I put the Input to the enhanced format, and all sources come from the AVR 1080i, 1080p, 4k, HDR etc. is there any downside of this?

If not, why aren't all HDMI inputs on enhanced by default.

Do you with an AVR have now more cables connected to the TV? Separate for 4k media?
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I don't believe there's any downside. Might use a tiny bit of extra electricity? I guess maybe some old hardware might not recognize the signal or something since they mention that in the manual, though that's probably more just to cover themselves since older stuff like my PS3 and an old blu-ray player seem to work fine on it.

Yeah, no idea, they really should have this on by default since so many people ask or miss it when initially setting up, and let people change back to standard if they don't intend to use any 4K, 4K/60 or HDR sources yet.

I upgraded my receiver shortly after the Pro came out since my old one wasn't capable of passing through 4K HDR. But until then I was connecting the 4K blu-ray player directly the TV and using the second HDMI out on the player to get audio still through my old receiver.
 
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HooYaH

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GinoFelino said:
Not all of the features HDMI 2.1 supports are even technically feasible for the mainstream next year.

However, I expect them to cram as much tech in there as possible. They won't want other manufacturers to take their share due to a more fully loaded spec sheet.
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I expect as an industry to include only one HDMI 2.1 port and each manufacturer to have their own name/brand of 2.1 feature list.

In 2019, we will get two HDMI 2.1a ports.

In 2020, we will get no ports since S Korea is no more due to Trump.
 
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WadeitOut

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Dad is buying my current 4K Samsung from a couple of years ago off me.

I think it's time to go PLED. And by time I mean between turkey day and Christmas.
 
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aaaaa0

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GinoFelino said:
Not all of the features HDMI 2.1 supports are even technically feasible for the mainstream next year.
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Sure, no one's going to have an 8K or 10K panel out next year, but I certainly want at least 4K@120hz (most of the good 2017 panels are already 120hz, you just can't drive them at 120hz because of HDMI limitations) and eARC.

If they can get VRR in for 2018, that would be cool too.
 
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Ashhong

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Kyoufu said:
With HDR10+ and HDMI 2.1 around the corner, it's true.
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Last year would have been what, Dolby Vision? And the year before HDR maybe? I’m not disagreeing with you. It’s just hard to really find a good time to jump in. I guess HDMI 2.1 is a big one though and all hardware
 
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holygeesus

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I thought I kinda understood chroma settings, but something has me confused - setting my Apple TV 4K to 4K SDR 4:4:4 mode certainly produces a cleaner image than the equivalent 4:2:2 - why would this be? I thought they would look the same, or does it just mean a £200 box is better at up converting than my TV?
 
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Weevilone

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Ashhong said:
Last year would have been what, Dolby Vision? And the year before HDR maybe? I'm not disagreeing with you. It's just hard to really find a good time to jump in. I guess HDMI 2.1 is a big one though and all hardware
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There was a significant difference between the first 4K TV's and now. It'll be the same thing for the next few years. I think my first 4K TV has one semi-functional HDMI input, and it can't do any HDR stuff. The rest were HDMI 1.4 if I recall.

And yeah to respond to a couple earlier posts.. of course 8K isn't coming, but there's plenty of other good stuff in HDMI 2.1. I have no doubt we'll see a further revision or two before that's all settled down.
 
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Endorphineforeverybody

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DangerMouse said:
I don't believe there's any downside. Might use a tiny bit of extra electricity? I guess maybe some old hardware might not recognize the signal or something since they mention that in the manual, though that's probably more just to cover themselves since older stuff like my PS3 and an old blu-ray player seem to work fine on it.

Yeah, no idea, they really should have this on by default since so many people ask or miss it when initially setting up, and let people change back to standard if they don't intend to use any 4K, 4K/60 or HDR sources yet.

I upgraded my receiver shortly after the Pro came out since my old one wasn't capable of passing through 4K HDR. But until then I was connecting the 4K blu-ray player directly the TV and using the second HDMI out on the player to get audio still through my old receiver.
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Thank you for your answer/reply! I just got a little bit to excited/nervous and tried to figure it all out before the TV comes today. And than I found on the web "some cable boxes etc. Will not work properly" when HDMI is put into enhanced format. Made me wonder and I couldn't find anything else on this topic.

I find this really strange to let consumer figure this out. And a lot of people mill miss it or will have issues. On my Yamaha AVR you have to go to the advanced setup (by a buttons combination on the avr) to change settings. I mean WHY so complicated?

Again Thank you! Looking forward to complete my setup today, after three years (saving money and buying things step by step for a nice little 5.1 setup) ^_^
 
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DangerMouse

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Endorphineforeverybody said:
I find this really strange to let consumer figure this out. And a lot of people mill miss it or will have issues. On my Yamaha AVR you have to go to the advanced setup (by a buttons combination on the avr) to change settings. I mean WHY so complicated?

Again Thank you! Looking forward to complete my setup today, after three years (saving money and buying things step by step for a nice little 5.1 setup) ^_^
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My cable box hasn't had any problems being connected through the receiver with enhanced HDMI on on both the TV and receiver.

Yeah, while it wasn't hard to find on this receiver I still needed to know about it in order to go down a couple of layers into the menu to change to enhanced HDMI when I first got it.

Cool!
 
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tokkun

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aaaaa0 said:
Sure, no one's going to have an 8K or 10K panel out next year, but I certainly want at least 4K@120hz (most of the good 2017 panels are already 120hz, you just can't drive them at 120hz because of HDMI limitations) and eARC.
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Those features seems feasible for inclusion in the 2018 sets, but they appeal to a pretty small niche of the TV buying population.

4K/120 is really only useful at present if you are driving your set with a high-end gaming PC. eARC will require you to buy a new receiver.

If you personally care a lot about those features, that's fine, but I don't think they are useful enough to the average consumer that I would use them as the basis of general advice for people to hold off buying a new TV.
 
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Kyoufu

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tokkun said:
Those features seems feasible for inclusion in the 2018 sets, but they appeal to a pretty small niche of the TV buying population.

4K/120 is really only useful at present if you are driving your set with a high-end gaming PC. eARC will require you to buy a new receiver.

If you personally care a lot about those features, that's fine, but I don't think they are useful enough to the average consumer that I would use them as the basis of general advice for people to hold off buying a new TV.
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120hz refresh rate at 4K would benefit everyone, not just a niche PC crowd.
 
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Anarion07

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FLEABttn said:
To be honest, I find the HDR Game Mode on the C7 to be perfectly fine in terms of brightness.

That also said, in SDR mode I keep the OLED light setting to 16 for a nice plasma type glow so maybe take my opinion with a grain of salt.
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Do you mean glow as in non-perfect black?
That's brightness setting, not OLED light.
 
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tokkun

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Kyoufu said:
120hz refresh rate at 4K would benefit everyone, not just a niche PC crowd.
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High-end PCs are currently the only way to get any meaningful amount of 4K/120 content. I don't really expect that to change in the next few years. By the time there is enough 4K/120 content from consoles or HFR video to matter your TV will probably already be outdated by some other new feature.
 
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zeeaykay

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Just wanted to chime in and say my 65B7A was delivered on Saturday and, besides a terrifying and confusing unboxing experience, it's better than I could have imagined. I broke it in with the VUDU Dolby Vision Blade Runner and watching it was a revelation and I was constantly in awe. With the TV hardwired to the router the quality was impeccable and I couldn't notice any stuttering or loss in quality.

Because I cruised the AVSFORUMS I am aware of potential banding issues, and have noticed it during loading screens that are near-black. It doesn't bother me, though, because during all of Blade Runner, which has some very dark scenes, I couldn't notice it at all.

One thing that surprised me was how bright this TV can get. When I first started playing games I think the OLED light was at 100, and my eyes started to hurt. I brought it down to 16 as others have suggested and that's perfect. Maybe the extra brightness of an LCD can help some HDR content but it certainly doesn't FEEL like it needs to be any brighter. However, I have yet to experience the HDR game mode.
 
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Kambing

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zeeaykay said:
Just wanted to chime in and say my 65B7A was delivered on Saturday and, besides a terrifying and confusing unboxing experience, it's better than I could have imagined. I broke it in with the VUDU Dolby Vision Blade Runner and watching it was a revelation and I was constantly in awe. With the TV hardwired to the router the quality was impeccable and I couldn't notice any stuttering or loss in quality.

Because I cruised the AVSFORUMS I am aware of potential banding issues, and have noticed it during loading screens that are near-black. It doesn't bother me, though, because during all of Blade Runner, which has some very dark scenes, I couldn't notice it at all.

One thing that surprised me was how bright this TV can get. When I first started playing games I think the OLED light was at 100, and my eyes started to hurt. I brought it down to 16 as others have suggested and that's perfect. Maybe the extra brightness of an LCD can help some HDR content but it certainly doesn't FEEL like it needs to be any brighter. However, I have yet to experience the HDR game mode.
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Awesome!

Yeah as an FYI, OLED light @ 35 is roughly equal to 150 nits. SDR content tends to be graded at 100-150 nits. If you have the luxury of continuing to use low OLED light, it's great for two reasons:

1. With OLED light less than 35, there is on ABL (the screen might dim by itself)
2. With lower OLED light, burn-in is less prone

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Kyoufu said:
120hz refresh rate at 4K would benefit everyone, not just a niche PC crowd.
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I agree, especially for desktop use. Scratching my head a bit how we'd actually get 4k@120 if you have lots of components.

Connecting PC directly to the TV would be easiest, figure that would require a DP to HDMI 2.1 cable. But if you are running through a receiver how the heck would you do that? I imagine the receiver pass through signal will be limited to HDMI 2.0 standards? Which means new receiver?

If I have to upgrade my receiver as well, shit I'm going to have to wait... at least until Nvidia have HDMI 2.1 ports on their card
 
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SilentRage47

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I think I'm ready to make the jump to 4k. I already have a PS4 Pro and I don't think I really want to wait for HDMI 2.1 to become mainstream until the new consoles are out.

I'll buy a Sony 49(maybe 55)XE9005 as soon as it gets below 1000€ here in Italy.
 
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suikoden352

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My wife and I bought a 2017 55” Vizio m-series last Friday. It was between that and an LG 55uj7700 for around the same price for our budget. I’ve had a 32” Vizio tv, that we’ve been using as our primary tv, for close to 12 years. She liked the picture quality more on the vizio than on the LG even though the Best Buy workers were really pushing us hard on the LG set. I’m happy with the purchase though having to pick which HDMI device gets the hdr port is a slight bummer but ehh. Anyone here any any experience on good settings for this set? I’ll probably get the vizio sound bar to go with it once I have a bit more extra money available.
 
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ApharmdX

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Chitown B said:
anyone go from Kuro to OLED? If so, what are you observations? Thanks!
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I had a Pioneer 500m, went to two different LCD TVs before settling on OLED. It's an incremental upgrade over a top-tier plasma but it is an upgrade. Biggest bonus for me was HDR- it looks amazing in HDR. I miss my plasma's motion with 60Hz games and its perfect uniformity but OLED's blacks are of course better- even on the best plasma TVs, in zero light the TV is a very deep gray rectangle. On OLED it vanishes totally.
 
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MazeHaze

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Kyoufu said:
120hz can mean improved motion and even reduced input lag.

I mean, 120hz isn't new to TVs. It's been a thing for a long time and for good reason.
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Right, but that doesn't mean anything unless you're feeding a TV 120hz content.


120hz in Tv's right now is mostly motion interpolation crap. You can use all of that on a 4k signal still.

I think for the foreseeable future, the only thing that will be feeding a TV 4k 120hz content is a PC.
 
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Mobius 1

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Yesterday Office Depot had the Vizio P65-E1 for $970, so I jumped in. I was going to buy a Sony X900 later, as a 4K set to replace my aging Panasonic S64 plasma.

What have I done, GAF?
 
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Smokey

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So, on my B6 with the HDR Game Mode settings I've settled into, it basically looks exactly like default HDR Standard whenever I switch back and forth between the two modes. I started Horizon last night and best way I can describe it, is my version of HDR Game Mode looked more "natural", whereas HDR Bright definitely had more 'pop'.

I've got a few more days left in my return period. I'm leaning towards keeping it especially since I only paid $1,500 for a 65" B6. This changes every hour tho so who knows.

For movies and everything else I have zero complaints. Ive only bought and watched UHD discs or streams since owning it, but phenomenal performance in that area.
 
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MazeHaze

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Smokey said:
So, on my B6 with the HDR Game Mode settings I've settled into, it basically looks exactly like default HDR Standard whenever I switch back and forth between the two modes. I started Horizon last night and best way I can describe it, is my version of HDR Game Mode looked more "natural", whereas HDR Bright definitely had more 'pop'.

I've got a few more days left in my return period. I'm leaning towards keeping it especially since I only paid $1,500 for a 65" B6. This changes every hour tho so who knows.

For movies and everything else I have zero complaints. Ive only bought and watched UHD discs or streams since owning it, but phenomenal performance in that area.
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Keep it dude, that deal is nuts
I paid 2000 for a 55 inch B7 lol.
 
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Kyoufu

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Kambing said:
I agree, especially for desktop use. Scratching my head a bit how we'd actually get 4k@120 if you have lots of components.

Connecting PC directly to the TV would be easiest, figure that would require a DP to HDMI 2.1 cable. But if you are running through a receiver how the heck would you do that? I imagine the receiver pass through signal will be limited to HDMI 2.0 standards? Which means new receiver?

If I have to upgrade my receiver as well, shit I'm going to have to wait... at least until Nvidia have HDMI 2.1 ports on their card
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Yeah that's why I'm holding off on a new receiver until 2.1 is implemented.
 
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Chitown B

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ApharmdX said:
I had a Pioneer 500m, went to two different LCD TVs before settling on OLED. It's an incremental upgrade over a top-tier plasma but it is an upgrade. Biggest bonus for me was HDR- it looks amazing in HDR. I miss my plasma's motion with 60Hz games and its perfect uniformity but OLED's blacks are of course better- even on the best plasma TVs, in zero light the TV is a very deep gray rectangle. On OLED it vanishes totally.
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awesome, thanks! My Pioneer has started to show a slight red tint on a black screen - also, it's more grey than black in the dark these days.
 
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psychotron

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Chitown B said:
awesome, thanks! My Pioneer has started to show a slight red tint on a black screen - also, it's more grey than black in the dark these days.
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You know that you can adjust the voltage on the Kuro to eliminate that red tint, right? My parents had a big red patch on theirs, and we were able to remove it entirely.
 
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MosquitoSmasher

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Well this is interesting, turns out I've been playing Borderlands Pre Sequel all day yesterday while the B6 was on the expert bright room picture mode. That means a significantly higher input lag than game mode and I never noticed, lol.

Until I wanted to check some Netflix and I wanted to put it on the expert bright room mode. Maybe I'll stick with this, so I can practice for when Battlefront 2 releases and I can then easily play it in HDR bright mode. Do we know what the input lag of expert bright room and HDR bright is?
 
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Ashhong

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Smokey said:
Yeah, I'm leaning towards keeping it. Just talked to the Magnolia folks and I can still buy a protection plan as long as I'm in the return period. Think I'm gonna go that route.
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But you can get a 65" B7 for about 1700 if you have credit card price match. Not sure if that would be worth it to you though
 
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Mrbob

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Kyoufu said:
120hz refresh rate at 4K would benefit everyone, not just a niche PC crowd.
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To me it just means I need a heck of a lot more power to drive 4k120 than 1080120.

It's going to take some time for 4k120 to be feasible on pc.

There are also some UI benefits at time running 1080 upscaled to 4k and that is bigger UI elements. Especially on a TV sitting 7 to 10 feet away.
 
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