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The Needle Drop pioneered music reviews. His other channel was for the alt-rights

When it isn't punching down.

Do you just mean satire involving white people or the target being mocked by the satire? Ergo Colbert's joke is making fun of Asian people at face value but is a satirical impersonation of a Fox news style conservative.

Is the way he used minority groups in his satirical racism okay with you?

It is. It also isn't from colbert himself. You went google searching hard core for that one huh?

No it's just an instance of satirical racism I remember & remember the controversy surrounding it.

Also what do you mean it isn't from him? Because his show has writers? He performed the bit & defended it in a later episode.
 

mortal

Gold Member
You wrote about liberals here lacking willingness to have ”open-minded dialogue" and ”tolerance" for support of someone who, at best, was totally unwilling to stand up to pretty rampant misogyny. You ”fell into the trap" of thinking this is what makes or breaks true liberalism.

TL;DR tolerance doesn't have to apply to fascists, racists, misogynists, or anyone else who actively works to oppress others based on inherent facets of the self.

Nope, never said that. We have a quoting system, you can just use that instead of paraphrasing me.
Why'd he delete all the videos
He says why in the video and on his twitter. And I'm assuming this shitshow with the Fader didn't help either.
 
Dude he interviewed Sargon just after GamerGate... that's literally what Sargon became famous for, he was a known quantity and Fantano sought hi out, defended hom in twitter when he was banned for being a bigoted harasser, and basically called him a victim in this video... and Sam Hyde literally desrcibed in detail a visceral level of assault and murder he'd like to do to Dunham and Fantano never went at him for it... not even now when he was a known quantity... he said he was joking and he just completely didn't even say shit about Amazing Athiest and their collaboration.

He can be liberal but he's not an ally. Allies don't make excuses for horrible human beings who are targrting and harasseing our communities.

Yikes...don't really know that much about Sargon but that's icky to give him a platform at all. Apparently the podcast ep with Hyde does open with Fantano saying he doesn't agree with the views expressed by Hyde, "especially about Lena Dunham", which is far from a forceful condemnation but it ain't nothin.

I still stand by my original assessment that the Fader article is a couple of valid points surrounded by a bunch of bullshit and borderline lies.
 
]Yikes...don't really know that much about Sargon but that's icky to give him a platform at all[/B]. Apparently the podcast ep with Hyde does open with Fantano saying he doesn't agree with the views expressed by Hyde, "especially about Lena Dunham", which is far from a forceful condemnation but it ain't nothin.

I still stand by my original assessment that the Fader article is a couple of valid points surrounded by a bunch of bullshit and borderline lies.

Sargon is literally one of Zoe Quinn's principle harassers

It's literally one step above nothing....

Like not challenging someone when they go off like that and then going long after he's gone: "Doesn't represent me" is fucking garbage.

And then defending it in this video by saying it was a joke and he didn't threaten rape... is actually less than saying nothing.
 

Ozigizo

Member
Do you just mean satire involving white people or the target being mocked by the satire? Ergo Colbert's joke is making fun of Asian people at face value but is a satirical impersonation of a Fox news style conservative.

Is the way he used minority groups in his satirical racism okay with you?



No it's just an instance of satirical racism I remember & remember the controversy surrounding it.

Also what do you mean it isn't from him? Because his show has writers? He performed the bit & defended it in a later episode.

I already answered you, didn't I?
 
What is the purpose of the article then if it’s based on 75% inaccuracies and bullshit? Fader should be getting more shit on this forum for the blatantly irresponsible and witch hunting clickbait ridiculousness that they posted as fact. You can think fantano is an asshole, you can have criticisms, his associations with certain people, how he handled things or be offended on how he attacks SJW, but that article is shameful and based largely on lies.

Okay so I went ahead and straight-up counted and in paragraph 14 out of 27 the article starts talking about his ties to people like Sargon of Akkad, Armoured Skeptic, and Sam Hyde. Is there anything in that entire second half of the article that's untrue or misinterpreted? Because all I'm seeing is a bunch of evidence of Fantano promoting and engaging with people who literally spew hatred for a living.

So we're looking at at least half the article being correct, right? And the other half is basically about his use of racist memes that we're currently holding a debate in this thread about whether or not the fact that they were used "ironically" makes it okay. Which is like, whatever, go nuts everyone, but I'm more concerned with the fact that this dude actively promotes the work of bigots, let alone literal fascists - which the article does call him out on.

So I'm gonna say that pretty definitively makes it not clickbait.
 
This is Sam Hyde in 2017

In 2017, Hyde reportedly pledged $5,000 towards Andrew Anglin's, the founder and editor of The Daily Stormer, legal defense fund.[19] The Southern Poverty Law Center sued Anglin for allegedly organizing a "troll storm" against a Jewish woman in Montana. When Matt Pearce of the Los Angeles Times questioned Hyde about the donation, Hyde asked Pearce if he was Jewish and went on to say that $5,000 "was nothing" to him. In the interview, Hyde also stated: "Don’t worry so much about money. Worry about if people start deciding to kill reporters. That's a quote. For the reason why, you can say I want reporters to know I make more money than them, especially Matt Pearce."[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Hyde

This is Sam Hyde who despite all we know about him now Fantano decided to actively defend in that video by claiming he was just joking... That was literally Fantano's point #1 (he literally put a big #1 on the screen) in what he called the most important part of his video.

#1 he says Hyde was joking...

In 2017 Hyde was joking is not something I want to hear, in 2017, when you're being accused of being cozy with him, Hyde was joking is not what you say, in 2017 you say Sam Hyde is a horrific human being and I regret either having him on my show.... or I sincerely regret not challenging him more because it's clear he's reprehensible... But no it's #1 Hyde was joking #2 He didn't say he'd rape Dunham.... in 2017 that's now what you say. in 2017 that doesn't make you a flawed ally, it makes you emphatically not an ally, and that's before we talk again about Sargon and Amazing Athiest.
 

JKM78613

Neo Member
Nope, never said that. We have a quoting system, you can just use that instead of paraphrasing me.

On my phone and multi-quoting is hard. But am I wrong to say that you referenced “open-minded dialogue” and “tolerance” from liberals (and the lack thereof) here on NeoGAF in response to ElectronicOldMen’s discussion of what liberalism is and isn’t?

If so, fair. But I’ve read the exchange back multiple times and it sure doesn’t look like I’m misunderstanding anything.
 
He makes apologies for Sam Hyde, Sargon of Akkad and Amazing Athiest... that's what in the hell. These are people who make lives of women and minorities hell and he makes apologies for them

Sam Hyde is the only person I know from that list, and he is a grade A shit bag. I'm trying to find the apologies that you're referring to, but all those videos got taken down. I just know from a few videos I've seen it sounds like it might be another H3H3 type situation. But I could be wrong. After reading the article and then watching the Fantano response it just feels like the article was a bit of an attack campaign based on the writer's perception and greivances.
 
Sam Hyde is the only person I know from that list, and he is a grade A shit bag. I'm trying to find the apologies that you're referring to, but all those videos got taken down. I just know from a few videos I've seen it sounds like it might be another H3H3 type situation. But I could be wrong. After reading the article and then watching the Fantano response it just feels like the article was a bit of an attack campaign based on the writer's perception and greivances.

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He makes apologies for them in the video.

In this very video, first my saying Hyde was joking, second by defending Sargon and making him out to be a victim, by admitting he participated in trying to get Sargon ubanned from twitter, he apologizes for Amazing Athiest by literally not even for a second saying anything about him other than claiming he's not alt-right. Amazing Athiest is one of the worst misogynist MRAs on YouTube and your defense is he's not alt-right moving on.


And maybe ya'll should actually learn who these people are before declaring Fantano's great victory. Just a suggestion.
 

mortal

Gold Member
On my phone and multi-quoting is hard. But am I wrong to say that you referenced “open-minded dialogue” and “tolerance” from liberals (and the lack thereof) here on NeoGAF in response to ElectronicOldMen’s discussion of what liberalism is and isn’t?

If so, fair. But I’ve read the exchange back multiple times and it sure doesn’t look like I’m misunderstanding anything.

I never mentioned anyone on here specifically. I was referring to some liberals that I've seen that showed an extreme lack of tolerance to the point where they actively try to silence and stop opposing viewpoints from being expressed. Which to me is an embodiment of the paradox.

The majority of my posts were in reference to the topic of Fantano defending the accusations of the Fader hit piece.
 
I never mentioned anyone on here specifically. I was referring to some liberals that I've seen that showed an extreme lack of tolerance to the point where they actively try to silence and stop opposing viewpoints from being expressed. Which to me is an embodiment of the paradox.

The majority of my posts were in reference to the topic of Fantano defending the accusations of the Fader hit piece.

Tolerance of Intolerance leads to a world of intolerance.
 

Bookoo

Member
He claims it's cuz of Youtube's rampant demonetization but the timing was awful suspicious

What do you mean? He didn't say he deleted it because of the ad revenue he just said that it was on it's deathbed anyway and I would imagine the drama from this article didn't help so he decided to just delete it.

I agree deleting it right away was probably not the best choice because it would have given people the option to get context, but it looks like he re-uploaded them now so people can feel free to do that.
 
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He makes apologies for them in the video.

In this very video, first my saying Hyde was joking, second by defending Sargon and making him out to be a victim, by admitting he participated in trying to get Sargon ubanned from twitter, he apologizes for Amazing Athiest by literally not even for a second saying anything about him other than claiming he's not alt-right. Amazing Athiest is one of the worst misogynist MRAs on YouTube and your defense is he's not alt-right moving on.

I think he's clearing himself of the charges that the author is laying against him. He said Sam Hyde was using that in context of a joke after being threatened by Lena? I'd need to watch it, if someone has that link. But after that, he seems to be just talking about the inaccuracies of the article in context to the video, he doesn't seem to really be focusing on apologizing for these people. For Sargon he was saying how the author laid charges against Sargon, and then talked about how he focused on criticizing the alt-right and gamergate type people after that no?
 

mortal

Gold Member
Tolerance of Intolerance leads to a world of intolerance.

I one hundred percent agree. Which is why I support the First Amendment.

And in the cases of inciting violence or discrimination against minority groups within society, there are laws within the United States that prevent and punish those actions.
 

Trident

Loaded With Aspartame
Defense seems strong, although the actual linked videos (to the extent I could watch them because they are super boring) don't seem entirely as innocent as he described.

He probably deserves some measured criticisms, but the levels of intense attack on here seem absurdly exaggerated. But who knows, I've given the wrong people the benefit of the doubt before.
 

JKM78613

Neo Member
I never mentioned anyone on here specifically. I was referring to some liberals that I've seen that showed an extreme lack of tolerance to the point where they actively try to silence and stop opposing viewpoints from being expressed. Which to me is an embodiment of the paradox.

The majority of my posts were in reference to the topic of Fantano defending the accusations of the Fader hit piece.

Apologies for thinking it was directed specifically at posters. Given the context and location of your writing, it isn’t a stretch to think it includes people in this thread.

Karl Popper was a liberal philosopher who was warning other liberals against the potential destruction of an open and free society by totalitarian forces that would use tolerance against them. (That’s part-and-parcel for how the far-right’s free speech arguments go today.)

Hence my argument that oppressors should not be given the same philosophical “leash” because their ultimate aims are to eventually snuff out liberalism once in power.
 
I one hundred percent agree. Which is why I support the First Amendment.

And in the cases of inciting violence or discrimination against minority groups within society, there are laws within the United States that prevent and punish those actions.

First Amendment doesn't mean we have to give people platforms....
 

Ozigizo

Member
it sounds like it might be another H3H3 type situation

But what? Ethan is trash.

Like, remember that time he pulled a fake news bit which caused his followers to send death threats to a reporter? And then didn't even apologize to said reporter and instead went out on "but there's something weird going on here" line. Or that time he had his pal Joey Salads on his podcast? I'm sure it was all a misunderstanding.

Anyways, back to the topic.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
You don't like the format or the manner in which he engaged with certain individuals, fine, you don't have to.

That does not make him a racist or confirm that he's corroborating with alt-right which is the heart of the matter.

What? Yes, it fricken' does! That's the whole point! If you just sit there like a goober and yuck it up with someone who's spouting horrible views, then you're at worst agreeing with their shitty views, or at best, enabling and legitimizing them.
 

Ombra

Member
What? Yes, it fricken' does! That's the whole point! If you just sit there like a goober and yuck it up with someone who's spouting horrible views, then you're at worst agreeing with their shitty views, or at best, enabling and legitimizing them.
This is the point people seem to have a hard time accepting. Its almost as if the people failing to knowledge it don't see a problem there.
 
I think he's clearing himself of the charges that the author is laying against him. He said Sam Hyde was using that in context of a joke after being threatened by Lena? I'd need to watch it, if someone has that link. But after that, he seems to be just talking about the inaccuracies of the article in context to the video, he doesn't seem to really be focusing on apologizing for these people. For Sargon he was saying how the author laid charges against Sargon, and then talked about how he focused on criticizing the alt-right and gamergate type people after that no?

Part of the charges against him were that he was buddy buddyish/soft with those three people... He did nothing in that video to dissuade those charges. and he called that part of the video and the aerticle the most important part. He was actually doing decentish up until that point... then ooops.

He defended trying to get Sargon back on twitter (when he was banned for being incredibly abusive) because "free speech" (which makes zero sense as an argument) and he tried to paint Sargon as a victim.,He didn't even address his collaboration with Amazing Athiest, and yes I'm aware Fantano claims to have given further "context" for Sam Hyde's "joke" as if adding "self-defense" in a fictional description of how he'd beat Lena Dunham so bad she'd be dead, disfigured at the paramedics would puke makes that all just fine. That's the point he's trying to just keep providing context for what is unacceptable under any context. That's apologia.

Not condemning these people... is in fact apologizing for them.
 
You know what, I’m good on those videos -_- Shit is off the rails almost immediately

I never even heard of this dude before today, seems I didn’t miss much
 

pigeon

Banned
I one hundred percent agree. Which is why I support the First Amendment.

And in the cases of inciting violence or discrimination against minority groups within society, there are laws within the United States that prevent and punish those actions.

There really aren't.
 

mortal

Gold Member
First Amendment doesn't mean we have to give people platforms....
The First Amendment means you don't have to do anything if you don't want to.
It also means that someone can also be invited on a platform, regardless of their political views. Whether they are being invited on to be challenged, to debate, or to be condemned depends on the format and the host.
What? Yes, it fricken' does! That's the whole point! If you just sit there like a goober and yuck it up with someone who's spouting horrible views, then you're at worst agreeing with their shitty views, or at best, enabling and legitimizing them.
That's nonsense. It's one thing if you wished he responded with more criticism, but to call him alt-right or a racist simply for hosting that person in an interview is extreme and unreasonable. Especially when he's not a racist nor apart of the alt-right.
 

Ombra

Member
But there are...

(My apologies didn't mean to double post.)
I think he means they are not effectively enforced.

Edit: yeah my breath is wasted on anyone who says "what the hell does people of color even mean?". Thanks for the link Massive Duck, C.M.
 

mortal

Gold Member
Those intent on discussing racism with Somnium may want to review this first

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=250155830

Ah, so the hunt for the smoking guns begins.

Not sure what you're hoping to extract from me from that post beyond my personal views on the how I believe race, as it's currently defined, is merely a social construct. As wells as how the categorization we continue to use is inconsistent and stupid and ultimately divisive.

I think he means they are not effectively enforced.

Edit: yeah my breath is wasted on anyone who says "what the hell does people of color even mean?". Thanks for the link Massive Duck, C.M.

Then why didn't he just say that?

But hey, apparently you're just too above me as a person to engage in dialogue with me, despite knowing absolutely nothing about me.
 
Ah, so the hunt for the smoking guns begins.

Not sure what you're hoping to extract from me from that post beyond my personal views on the how I believe race, as it's currently defined, is merely a social construct. As wells as how the categorization we continue to use is inconsistent and stupid and ultimately divisive.

I just thought it was useful for the others to understand that you have a fundamentally different view on race dynamics than most.
 
Not diving into this but can we at least change the thread title? Dude isn't Milo.
Why, thread title doesn't mention him defending pedophilia. But he's definitely dabbled in alt right humour and is buddies/collaborators with lots of alt right figures. He may not be alt right but he sure loved profiting off it.
 

mortal

Gold Member

What is so yikes about that?

I genuinely would love to know. We're on a forum, after all, so something more than a disapproving drive-by post is always appreciated if you're willing that is.

Then again, we're going so far off-topic it's kind of funny.
 
I just thought it was useful for the others to understand that you have a fundamentally different view on race dynamics than most.

Different than most on this forum, maybe. Reading through the post you linked, I'm not seeing any fringe opinions on race. Whether you agree with it or not.
 

Toparaman

Banned
Defense seems strong, although the actual linked videos (to the extent I could watch them because they are super boring) don't seem entirely as innocent as he described.

He probably deserves some measured criticisms, but the levels of intense attack on here seem absurdly exaggerated. But who knows, I've given the wrong people the benefit of the doubt before.

Yeah, props to him for linking all the relevant videos, but there are lots of little winks and nods to 4chan humor, which at this point is so intertwined with the alt-right movement that it's hard to make a distinction.

I've had my fair share of belly laughs on 4chan, and I think its freewheeling culture has been responsible for some of the funniest and irreverent pieces of content on the web, especially from /tv/. But events like Trump's election have helped me realize that I can't just handwave 4chan's often purposefully-bigoted discourse as coming from a minority of fringe neckbeards who will never have any real impact on the world. I was living in my liberal bubble in California.

I think a lot of us with a taste for weird, rude, subversive humor had a soft spot for 4chan. We just kind of assumed most people were "in on the joke", that only a small but vocal minority of users actually believed in such cartoonish bigotry. Then they helped elect an actual cartoonish bigot. Turns out people who spend a lot of time "pretending" to be assholes are in fact actual assholes.

The link between 4chan and the alt-right is undeniable at this point, and if Fantano continues to indulge in their imagery and language, that says a lot about his level of empathy for the less privileged. It doesn't make him an alt-righter per se, just someone who is living in a bubble, like I was.
 
No doubt, he didn't pioneer shit, he just did bad reviews

100% Dude's an inchworm that was doing his stupid shtick that I'm still surprised caught on with people. I still remember laughing at this balloonhead years and years ago with his clueless metal album reviews. Evident from jump street this guy was a fake dorkass fuck. This alt right channel he had on the side I had no knowledge of cause I ignore his shit but when the news hit I couldn't have been less surprised.
 
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