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[Santar]

EDIT
I focused way too much on the loot boxes part in the original post.
My main gripe is that two features of the game are locked away behind a online service that when shut down will remove these features from the game. If I could I'd change the title to "Two Features in Shadow of War are online Only"
ORIGINAL POST FOLLOWS:

So it has come to my attention that two features of Shadow of War are only available from loot boxes.
The first feature is Reassignment Orders, which you use to transfer a orc from region to region and to and from garrisons.
So say you have a specific orc you really like, you can't take him with you further in the game if you don't buy loot boxes and get a Reassignment Order.

The other feature is Training Orders, which you use to customize your orcs by giving them specific traits.
Some examples:
Epic Training: Mighty Savages (Grants a follower a boost to the effectiveness of nearby Savages)
Poison Training (Grants a follower a Poison Weapon)
Mount Training Legendary (Grants a follower a Defencive Graug)

The only way to get these are by buying loot boxes.
And just to add insult to injury you can't use purchased Training Orders when offline.

Now I don't own the game, I just wanted to put this information out there.
We shouldn't accept that publishers/devs do this, lock away content behind loot boxes and online services.
We as players don't gain anything from this, while publishers/devs hold all the cards and can turn off the online market whenever they see fit and voila, Reassignment Orders and Training Orders no longer exist in Shadow of War.
There are a couple of threads about this on steam and the official forums that asks the developers to patch these features so they can drop in the open world of the game.

I'm well aware you can buy loot boxes with in game currency, that is not my point. This post is about the game locking content away behind loot boxes and a online service (which is by far the worst part).

 

[Emitan]

Can you at least buy loot boxes with in game money?

Its still bad but that would be a little bit less bad.

 

[Pudge]

You can get these things from the Silver Loot Boxes which are bought with 1200 of the in-game currency that you are flooded with constantly. I think I can buy 10 boxes right now if I really wanted some Orcs.

It's not IDEAL and I'd rather they dropped sometimes instead of player gear, but they're not unobtainable.

 

[CelestialWolfZX]

Question, are these available in the Silver Loot Boxes you can get with the in-game money, or only in the gold premium currency ones? (I know you can grind gold on dailies but, there is that key word there, grind.)

 

[ChaosSmurf]

Can you at least buy loot boxes with in game money?

Yeah, and these two items are extremely common.

You can get these things from the Silver Loot Boxes which are bought with 1200 of the in-game currency that you are flooded with constantly. I think I can buy 10 boxes right now if I really wanted some Orcs.

Don't, by the way. The in-game loot boxes are a bit of a trap, you want to save all that money for the endgame siege stuff.

 

[zelas]

Can you at least buy loot boxes with in game money?

Yes. Do better research OP.

 

[Heckler456]

You can get them with in-game currency.

 

[nynt9]

You jumped the gun to shit on the game and make this thread. You can buy those boxes with ingame currency, of which you earn a shitton.

Maybe you shouldn't be talking about details of a game you don't know about because you haven't played it. Or at least not making "I heard that..." Threads.

Nice try though!

 

[Santar]

You jumped the gun to shit on the game and make this thread. You can buy those boxes with ingame currency, of which you earn a shitton.

Maybe you shouldn't be talking about details of a game you don't know. Or at least not making "I heard that..." Threads.

Nice try though!

I never once implied that you had to pay real money for the loot boxes, please re-read the OP.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

Now I don't own the game

And that's the problem.

 

[nynt9]

I never once implied that you had to pay real money for the loot boxes, please re-read the OP.

You said "milk away every single cent from players"

You did imply you had to pay real money. Nice try again though!

Now I don't own the game, I just wanted to put this information out there.
We shouldn't accept that publishers/devs do this, lock away content behind loot boxes and online services for no reason at all other than to milk every single cent out of players.

 

[killroy87]

Man alive, people are DETERMINED to tank this game lol. It's bizarre.

 

[boredofcanada]

This topic has gotten stale. Who cares? You can get them just by playing the game?

 

[Pudge]

Don't, by the way. The in-game loot boxes are a bit of a trap, you want to save all that money for the endgame siege stuff.

Wasn't planning on it, but that's good to know!

 

[Santar]

You said "milk away every single cent from players"

You did imply you had to pay real money. Nice try again though!

I was talking about general trends in the gaming industry there.

 

[nynt9]

I was talking about general trends in the gaming industry there.

Would you like my assistance in moving that goal post?

 

[Krappadizzle]

So are we outraged or not? Y'all are playing with my emotions.

 

[Santar]

Would you like my assistance in moving that goal post?

Okay I edited that sentence to not focus on real money, happy now?

 

[Heckler456]

So are we outraged or not? Y'all are playing with my emotions.

Well, of course we are. It's our default state of being. What would our lives mean if we weren't getting outraged over lootboxes in Shadow of War?

 

[ChaosSmurf]

This topic has gotten stale. Who cares? You can get them just by playing the game?

Based on Twitch viewership (which is a pretty good metric based on other games this year) and early Steam numbers the controversy has only made it so more people are interested.

 

[Orca]

You'll have to get these orders in loot boxes, but you'll definitely get them and you'll be able to afford roughly a metric shit ton of them before any part of it becomes relevant.

 

[nynt9]

Okay I edited that sentence to not focus on real money, happy now?

I mean, sure. But what you were trying to do with this thread was pretty transparent. And you're outraged about something that is pretty clearly a non-issue to anyone actually playing the game, as evidenced by every single post in this thread.

 

[AHappyPanda]

I mean, sure. But what you were trying to do with this thread was pretty transparent. And you're outraged about something that is pretty clearly a non-issue to anyone actually playing the game, as evidenced by every single post in this thread.

 

[zelas]

Okay I edited that sentence to not focus on real money, happy now?

Since now that you've decided you can't talk about money then where is the news??

 

[Arttemis]

I'm all for shitting on games that push microtransactions, particularly single player games, but this thread seems to be a complaint about a game featuring an in-game currency mechanic and a shop to spend it.

Based on Twitch viewership (which is a pretty good metric based on other games this year) and early Steam numbers the controversy has only made it so more people are interested.

That is a bizarre assumption. There are no pre-release/pre-controvercy viewer numbers to compare the current viewer numbers to.

 

[Avallon]

DAE lootboxes, guys?

There’s too many of these threads and this one is the biggest non-issue I’ve seen yet.

 

[Filthy Casual]

As long as you can buy them with in game currency this is no different to buying something from a vendor or store in other games really.

 

[Santar]

I mean, sure. But what you were trying to do with this thread was pretty transparent. And you're outraged about something that is pretty clearly a non-issue to anyone actually playing the game, as evidenced by every single post in this thread.

I really hate when games lock away content behind stuff like this, especially online, when there's no need to do this. I think it's the worst trends plaguing the games industry today.
I won't stop fighting for games to stop using these types of tactics just because others are completely fine with it.

Since now that you've decided you can't talk about money then where is the news??

The "news" is that two features in Shadow of War is locked behind loot boxes and a online service.

 

[Tathanen]

I really hate when games lock away content behind stuff like this, especially online, when there's no need to do this. I think it's the worst trends plaguing the games industry today.
I won't stop fighting for games to stop using these types of tactics just because others are completely fine with it.

What tactic? This is literally a "rare drop loot," the boxes are windows dressing. And not even that rare, judging from the posts in this thread.

The general "loot box debacle" is absolutely a shitshow, but your OP has nothing to do with it. Sorry.

 

[ChaosSmurf]

That is a bizarre assumption. There are no pre-release/pre-controvercy viewer numbers to compare the current viewer numbers to.

You compare to the rest of Twitch, and numbers for new games in general. It's doing high to very high.

 

[Heckler456]

I really hate when games lock away content behind stuff like this, especially online, when there's no need to do this. I think it's the worst trends plaguing the games industry today.
I won't stop fighting for games to stop using these types of tactics just because others are completely fine with it.

Like another person has said, as it relates to these two items specifically, how is this any different than buying them from an in-game shop?

 

[#sorrynotsorry]

I'm well aware you can buy loot boxes with in game currency, that is not my point. This post is about the game locking content away behind loot boxes and a online service.

Games lock away content behind spending gates and the like all the time. It's 100% normal. So normal that almost every game does this. This is a huge non-issue. It sounds like you haven't even played the game.

 

[Santar]

What tactic? This is literally a "rare drop loot," the boxes are windows dressing. And not even that rare, judging from the posts in this thread.

The general "loot box debacle" is absolutely a shitshow, but your OP has nothing to do with it. Sorry.

I'll certainly agree that the fact that the marketplace in the game where you can buy loot boxes is online only is the absolute worst part.

 

[pizzacat]

I really hate when games lock away content behind stuff like this, especially online, when there's no need to do this. I think it's the worst trends plaguing the games industry today.
I won't stop fighting for games to stop using these types of tactics just because others are completely fine with it.

Hell yeah resist brother ✊🏻

 

[FallingEdge]

OP is trying so hard to start drama.

Games lock away content behind spending gates and the like all the time. It's 100% normal. So normal that almost every game does this. This is a huge non-issue. It sounds like you haven't even played the game.

He hasn't. He stated that in the OP.

 

[Tathanen]

I'll certainly agree that the fact that the marketplace in the game where you can buy loot boxes is online only is the absolute worst part.

I mean, there's a topic here, sure. "Features in a single player game that don't involve online communication still locked behind an online requirement." A tenuous topic, since you're basically just describing DLC. But that's not the topic you made, it's just what you've tried to repurpose this one into once the loot box part backfired. Probably no salvaging it now.

 

[SmartWaffles]

This isn't really different from grinding random drops as long as it is easily purchasable with in-game currency.

 

[Grimsen]

Oh, it's not about loot boxes, it's about online single player content?

Keep moving those goalposts, OP

 

[benzopil]

You buy lootboxes with in-game currency and BOOM you have lootbox-only features.

 

[zelas]

The "news" is that two features in Shadow of War is locked behind loot boxes and a online service.

That isnt news. We've known this for two months. What are you doing???

 

[RulkezX]

Folk sure are desperate to get their own drama threads these days.

 

[Santar]

I mean, there's a topic here, sure. "Features in a single player game that don't involve online communication still locked behind an online requirement." A tenuous topic, since you're basically just describing DLC. But that's not the topic you made, it's just what you've tried to repurpose this one into once the loot box part backfired. Probably no salvaging it now.

I do realize now I should probably have avoided to use the word loot box as much in the OP as it seems everybody is so laser focused on those at the moment, when my main gripe was that the online only part. Even if I do find loot boxes a pretty lazy and overused design.
I guess I hoped the loot box part would help give it more attention but instead loot boxes got ALL the attention.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I really hate when games lock away content behind stuff like this, especially online, when there's no need to do this. I think it's the worst trends plaguing the games industry today.
I won't stop fighting for games to stop using these types of tactics just because others are completely fine with it.

A good way to fight such tactics is to actually be informed about the thing you're complaining about. Owning the game is a good first step. Because for most people ITT, this tells us everything we need to know:

Now I don't own the game

Because if you did, you'd have never made this thread in the first place. There's been so much "boy who cried wolf" BS surrounding this game. :|

 

[Pastry]

I do realize now I should probably have avoided to use the word loot box as much in the OP as it seems everybody is so laser focused on those at the moment when my main gripe was that the online only part. Even if I do find loot boxes pretty lazy and overused design.
I guess I hoped the loot box part would help give it more attention but instead loot boxes got ALL the attention.

The entirety of the OP is about loot boxes with a throwaway line at the end mentioning online features. Of course people will focus on the same thing you did.

 

[Flibbertygiblet]

I hate how Pokemon locks capturing Pokemon (an essential part of the game) behind pokeballs. I mean, you slave away to afford these pokeballs, and then it's still not a guarantee that you catch the Pokemon!

What gives!?

 

[Justified]

I do realize now I should probably have avoided to use the word loot box as much in the OP as it seems everybody is so laser focused on those at the moment, when my main gripe was that the online only part. Even if I do find loot boxes a pretty lazy and overused design.
I guess I hoped the loot box part would help give it more attention but instead loot boxes got ALL the attention.

I mean its in the title, plus your first sentence sets up your entire OP. SO lets remove the "insult" Does the Injury still stand? That having items behind what is essentially an in-game shop is somehow wrong?

 

[Santar]

A good way to fight such tactics is to actually be informed about the thing you're complaining about. Owning the game is a good first step. Because for most people ITT, this tells us everything we need to know:



Because if you did, you'd have never made this thread in the first place. There's been so much "boy who cried wolf" BS surrounding this game. :|

I would have made this thread, I just wouldn't mentioned loot boxes as much and rather focus on the online only aspect. which is by far the worst part.

The entirety of the OP is about loot boxes with a throwaway line at the end mentioning online features. Of course people will focus on the same thing you did.

Yes, the OP is too loot box focused, I guess I tried to piggyback on the loot boxes to get attention for the online only part and it backfired.

 

[J_Viper]

The Dark Lord put you up to this, didn't he OP?

 

[Santar]

I mean its in the title, plus your first sentence sets up your entire OP. SO lets remove the "insult" Does the Injury still stand? That having items behind what is essentially an in-game shop is somehow wrong?

A in game store is of course okay, but as I've said elsewhere I find it pretty lazy to have stuff delegated to loot boxes.
And yes the OP is bad when my main gripe is the online only part.

 

[wesleyshark]

The Dark Lord put you up to this, didn't he OP?

Lolll