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I'm pretty sure alternative services have long existed if you're looking to fund cam shows, guys.
Maybe I'm interpreting the rules incorrectly but it sounds like all "pornographic" material is banned. I'm not too familiar with Patreon, but I would guess that most of what people consider "Adult Content" could fall under the umbrella of pornographic especially wrt nude cosplayers and more NSFW artists.
To me it sounds like they do
Those tags sound to me more like they're directed at people who produce stuff that contains these things but is not intended as pornography. They only refer to it as "mature themes" etc. in the first paragraph, never pornography.You guys are reading it wrong. First of all why would they ask that people tag all pornographic material and keep it patreon only if they were getting rid of all pornographic material?
Second, they're not saying all pornographic material. They give examples, like funding your outside porn site with patreon or using patreon to set up cam sessions.
Sounds pretty definitive to me and referring to all general pornographic material.Lastly, you cannot sell pornographic material (...) as a reward for your patrons
Those tags sound to me more like they're directed at people who produce stuff that contains these things but is not intended as pornography.
Sounds pretty definitive to me and referring to all general pornographic material.
Lastly, you cannot sell pornographic material or arrange sexual service(s) as a reward for your patrons. You can't use Patreon to raise funds in order to produce pornographic material such as maintaining a website, funding the production of movies, or providing a private webcam session.
You guys are reading it wrong. First of all why would they ask that people tag all adult material and keep it patreon only if they were getting rid of it?
Second, they're not saying all pornographic material. They give examples, like funding your outside porn site with patreon or using patreon to set up cam sessions.
Lastly, you cannot sell pornographic material or arrange sexual service(s) as a reward for your patrons. You can't use Patreon to raise funds in order to produce pornographic material such as maintaining a website, funding the production of movies, or providing a private webcam session.
I only removed the part about sexual services because that's kind of a different thing. What they outline sounds more to more like they're preemptively closing possible loopholes.It is when you take out all the context and replace it with "..."
They outline exactly what pornographic materials they're talking about. Basically "Don't use our service to cam girl or use it to prop up another website"
How do you interpret this line (emphasis mine):
As something other than banning pornographic material in general? If you are an artist who specializes in something that is labelled pornographic, and you use your Patreon as a platform to raise money to produce this content wouldn't that be against the new ToS?
Lastly, you cannot sell pornographic material or arrange sexual service(s) as a reward for your patrons. You can't use Patreon to raise funds in order to produce pornographic material such as maintaining a website, funding the production of movies, or providing a private webcam session.
Because those are two sentences. You can't just ignore the first statement. They're just outlining in the second sentence how far it expands not that it's exclusive to those.Read the whole thing? Why do you guys just stop reading? They explicitly say what they're banning.
How do you interpret this line (emphasis mine):
As something other than banning pornographic material in general? If you are an artist who specializes in something that is labelled pornographic, and you use your Patreon as a platform to raise money to produce this content wouldn't that be against the new ToS?
Because those are two sentences. You can't just ignore the first statement. They're just outlining in the second sentence how far it expands.
Read the whole thing? Why do you guys just stop reading? They explicitly say what they're banning.
I don't think there should be a difference.There should be a stated difference between depictions of sexual activity (as porn) and "I do paintings of attractive naked people", which is, at least in the world of art, not really pornography in the same way. Unless London's National Gallery should cover some of its paintings in the black bags like they were dirty magazines in corner shops. Nipples and penises! The horror!
I don't have much personal sympathy for the long-suffering fetish artist et al that will once again have to find another place to sell their wares.
great, now where else am i gonna get scantily clad cosplayers who lowkey will show the goods as you pay their mortgage?
Well like I said, to preemptively close any loopholes where someone would just make a website that's exclusive to their patreons. In the end that would be the same as selling the stuff directly as reward tier with just one more step.But that would make no sense, why would you need to point out examples if you were doing a broad ban anyways?
Anyways I'm out, you guys are making my head hurt.
I'm pretty sure alternative services have long existed if you're looking to fund cam shows, guys.
Like I mentioned earlier, even though there are alternatives don't really allow patron/consumer interactivity/commissions. But the bigger problem is actually receiving payment via transaction since a lot of banks and monetary exchange services discriminate against Adult Content Creators/Performers. Patreon was good because they had a deal with PayPal that allowed payment for Digital Adult Entertainment, something that PayPal does not allow directly.
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People who make a living off of selling niche/fetish NSFW artwork should be allowed that option. There's no good reason not to allow it.
Porntreon when?
Honestly, I think some of the reactions in here are overblown. There is some cause for concern, yes. But this is not the full take-down of adult content that some people think it is. Patreon has never allowed pornographic material (at least, not that I can remember), and if someone was providing that then they were flying under the radar. Erotic art is not defined as pornography by Patreon. I've had this verified to me in an email exchange. It's still subject to some content restrictions that I find reason to object to, but this probably won't impact Patreon's bottom line, nor will it cause some mass exodus from the site by adult content creators. It doesn't exactly feel good to be marginalized or to fear sources of income disappearing. There are some hentai-foundry artists doing quite well on Patreon right now who dabble in some darker themes. I'm more worried about them, since their art is just an expression, but could now be subject to removal for no other reason than some people taking offense to them.
They outline exactly what pornographic materials they're talking about. Basically "Don't use our service to cam girl, make a porno, or use it to prop up another website".
lmao you had me with you until you ended with "of course, when I draw naked dudes, it's art"Yes there is - it can harm the vision Patreon's devs have for the site, it damages their brand, it makes it harder for them to work with banks and whatnot, it discourages those who don't like fetish/very NSFW content from using the site, etc etc etc.
There are otherwise perfectly good services out there that I know people avoid because of close association with fetish and very NSFW stuff. For example Picarto, a streaming service specifically for artists. I thought that was a really cool idea. Except there's a NSFW section where you can see thumbnails of wolf dicks. So now I don't want to be associated with that site, because I don't want to be associated with fetish and NSFW content in any way. Instead I stream my art stuff on Twitch (to exactly 0 people, mind) because I know that the Twitch creative community is not going to associate me with much more than a creative abuse of the Kappa icon.
Does that make me some prude? No - I spent two hours drawing a naked dude on Wednesday night IRL. I saw a man's genitals and I goddamn drew them in charcoal along with the rest of him - that's one very valid art activity. But exposing your site to association with porn, which is much more specific than just nudity, is an invitation to drive away many people, including people like me.
Let me be clear - I don't think any of those are good reasons. They're reasons, and they exist, but it is absolutely shitty that this is even a problem to begin with.Yes there is - it can harm the vision Patreon's devs have for the site, it damages their brand, it makes it harder for them to work with banks and whatnot, it discourages those who don't like fetish/very NSFW content from using the site, etc etc etc.
There are otherwise perfectly good services out there that I know people avoid because of close association with fetish and very NSFW stuff. For example Picarto, a streaming service specifically for artists. I thought that was a really cool idea. Except there's a NSFW section where you can see thumbnails of wolf dicks. So now I don't want to be associated with that site, because I don't want to be associated with fetish and NSFW content in any way. Instead I stream my art stuff on Twitch (to exactly 0 people, mind) because I know that the Twitch creative community is not going to associate me with much more than a creative abuse of the Kappa icon.
Does that make me some prude? No - I spent two hours drawing a naked dude on Wednesday night. But exposing your site to association with porn is an invitation to drive away many people, including people like me.
Seriously, this all goes out the window when they still allow people who are doing a lot more harm to their "brand" my beings Nazis.Let me be clear - I don't think any of those are good reasons. They're reasons, and they exist, but it is absolutely shitty that this is even a problem to begin with.
I can't help but see it as a reflection of both society's greater sex-negative bent and its overall misogyny (because, to be sure, more women are impacted by these changes than men). I mean, why do you not want to be associated with NSFW stuff in the first place? Think about that for a moment. It's kind of nonsensical, isn't it? Especially in the case of Patreon, where 75% of the site is not NSFW and you actually have to go out of your way to find NSFW content in the first place (seriously, it was a non-issue).
Especially when this very same site is still supporting some extremist alt-right individuals with absolutely deplorable views. What the hell's with these priorities, man?
lmao you had me with you until you ended with "of course, when I draw naked dudes, it's art"
Get out of here with that bs
Like I mentioned earlier, even though there are alternatives don't really allow patron/consumer interactivity/commissions. But the bigger problem is actually receiving payment via transaction since a lot of banks and monetary exchange services discriminate against Adult Content Creators/Performers. Patreon was good because they had a deal with PayPal that allowed payment for Digital Adult Entertainment, something that PayPal does not allow directly.
Alright, Porntreon competitor when?
OnlyFans must be loving this.
Yes there is - it can harm the vision Patreon's devs have for the site, it damages their brand, it makes it harder for them to work with banks and whatnot, it discourages those who don't like fetish/very NSFW content from using the site, etc etc etc.
There are otherwise perfectly good services out there that I know people avoid because of close association with fetish and very NSFW stuff. For example Picarto, a streaming service specifically for artists. I thought that was a really cool idea. Except there's a NSFW section where you can see thumbnails of wolf dicks. So now I don't want to be associated with that site, because I don't want to be associated with fetish and NSFW content in any way. Instead I stream my art stuff on Twitch (to exactly 0 people, mind) because I know that the Twitch creative community is not going to associate me with much more than a creative abuse of the Kappa icon.
Does that make me some prude? No - I spent two hours drawing a naked dude on Wednesday night IRL. I saw a man's genitals and I goddamn drew them in charcoal along with the rest of him - that's one very valid art activity. But exposing your site to association with porn, which is much more specific than just nudity, is an invitation to drive away many people, including people like me.
OnlyFans must be loving this.
For real. Every porn actress I know has an account, and something like this might actually push some NSFW but not straight up porn people onto it as well.
On topic, one of the things that really gets me is people exclaiming that all porn is unethical and exploitative that are okay with all of these funding services straight up banning adult content from them. The easiest way to get ethical porn is to make it easy for performers themselves to produce the porn directly, yet we are okay with making that as difficult as possible because, I don't really know why.
Seriously how does this thread not know about OnlyFans? It didnt come up till page 5Like over a year ago? At least in the gay community, OnlyFans.com has exploded in popularity with porn stars and Instagram thots.
Seriously how does this thread not know about OnlyFans? It didnt come up till page 5
Thats a huge adult competitor to Patreon
Yeah that last bit seems unreasonably restrictive with respect to how it treats other Patreon accounts. Everything else is a much needed clarification I think.Everything seems reasonable, except for this part:
Does that mean that soft-core models cannot make content? And what about artists?
That was already against their rules. You might want to actually read the damn thing to see what the new terms actually entail.Legit business wants nothing to do with kiddie rape porn. News at 11.
Yes there is - it can harm the vision Patreon's devs have for the site, it damages their brand, it makes it harder for them to work with banks and whatnot, it discourages those who don't like fetish/very NSFW content from using the site, etc etc etc.
There are otherwise perfectly good services out there that I know people avoid because of close association with fetish and very NSFW stuff. For example Picarto, a streaming service specifically for artists. I thought that was a really cool idea. Except there's a NSFW section where you can see thumbnails of wolf dicks. So now I don't want to be associated with that site, because I don't want to be associated with fetish and NSFW content in any way. Instead I stream my art stuff on Twitch (to exactly 0 people, mind) because I know that the Twitch creative community is not going to associate me with much more than a creative abuse of the Kappa icon.
Does that make me some prude? No - I spent two hours drawing a naked dude on Wednesday night IRL. I saw a man's genitals and I goddamn drew them in charcoal along with the rest of him - that's one very valid art activity. But exposing your site to association with porn, which is much more specific than just nudity, is an invitation to drive away many people, including people like me.
Sure, but on the flip side they have to produce something on a consistent basis or lose their livelihoods. The very nature of most of these games means they're nigh-infinitely extendable anyway, so it's not like they ever *need* to be truly "finished" per se. It's not really an issue here unless you have some kind of mandate that you'll only play "finished" games or somesuch.Patreon porn games are honestly a bad model for the consumers, there's almost zero incentive for any of the creators to finish their games because then they either have to pivot to a new project immediately or just lose all the monthly money with no chance to sell their game.
I had to post this thought somewhere, damn it.
Yes there is - it can harm the vision Patreon's devs have for the site, it damages their brand, it makes it harder for them to work with banks and whatnot, it discourages those who don't like fetish/very NSFW content from using the site, etc etc etc.
There are otherwise perfectly good services out there that I know people avoid because of close association with fetish and very NSFW stuff. For example Picarto, a streaming service specifically for artists. I thought that was a really cool idea. Except there's a NSFW section where you can see thumbnails of wolf dicks. So now I don't want to be associated with that site, because I don't want to be associated with fetish and NSFW content in any way. Instead I stream my art stuff on Twitch (to exactly 0 people, mind) because I know that the Twitch creative community is not going to associate me with much more than a creative abuse of the Kappa icon.
Does that make me some prude? No - I spent two hours drawing a naked dude on Wednesday night IRL. I saw a man's genitals and I goddamn drew them in charcoal along with the rest of him - that's one very valid art activity. But exposing your site to association with porn, which is much more specific than just nudity, is an invitation to drive away many people, including people like me.
I'd rather be associated with Picarto 8 days a week before Twitch
But hey at least these dumbass racist bandwagoning twitch users dont associate you with Wolf dicks
Oh but they're not ALL like that on twitch? funny how your willing to consider the 'good ones' on twitch
I dont recall having to click a 'show NSFW yes I do indeed enjoy blatant racism/sexism in my chat' button to see some sick shit on twitch like I have to on picarto (again, animal dicks opt in vs built in bigotry)
"I'm not a prude, I saw a penis last week", "When I do it, it's art".
Fucking cackled at the hypocrisy.
Sure, but on the flip side they have to produce something on a consistent basis or lose their livelihoods. The very nature of most of these games means they're nigh-infinitely extendable anyway, so it's not like they ever *need* to be truly "finished" per se. It's not really an issue here unless you have some kind of mandate that you'll only play "finished" games or somesuch.
Everyone chipping in knows what they're getting into.
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"RIP Studio Fow"
That's what a friend told me. Honest.