Puck Beaverton
Banned
Should tell her husband that
Should tell her husband that
Should tell her husband that
He knew shit but didnt do shit cuz he needed his movies to be financed and whatnot...tarantino is a spineless coward and a enabler...jeesus
This does make me wonder about Smith.
My initial response is "Well duh."
Considering we aren't getting a swarm of people coming out and doing the same thing, a statement like this is good, but that's all it really is right now.
https://youtu.be/JfIFE3r7NMUReally disappointed in Tarantino. Dude is my favourite director. Its going to be in my mind any time I watch one of his movies now.
I don't know that they all actually stayed silent only because they wanted to help their careers.
I'd imagine that many of them were probably fearful that they wouldn't be believed or that a powerful Hollywood executive like Weinstein would've sued them into oblivion if they spoke up.
At the same time, there is the possibility of a chain reaction. One person speaks up. Then another. Then another.
And he could have been careful with what he said. Even something like saying in public: "I will no longer work with Harvey Weinstein because of his treatment of women." Can't get sued for that can you? And it could start a reaction.
I do understand how hard this is. Without being in such a situation I'm not willing to guarantee I would do the right thing (although I am willing to hope that I would). But we shouldn't be overly defeatist either.
This thread is a clear example of WHY most other people in Hollywood are lying and doing the whole "OMG, So Shocked, Never Knew" thing. I'm honestly surprised that people are surprised at this and no doubt expect Tarantino to used to take the blame on this seeing as he's the only one who's held his hands up and said "yep, I knew, that's just how Hollywood is".
Majority of people on the internet here need to take a step back and realise that this kind of abuse has been going on for decades to men, women and children in Hollywood, dating back to at least the 1940's, the sexual favorurs and drug trading amongst the elite of Hollywood is no exact secret, there's a reason it's gone on this long and became the "norm". Honestly if you're shocked by this and think Hollywood is all glam and glitz you really should read up on the cesspool side of it that is deep rooted in that scene.
Everybody knew, everyone was complicit and it worked this way because anyone rocking the boat would have been ostracized.
Taking a firm stand against this could have definitely hurt Tarantino's career, although it's unlikely it would have extinguished it completely.
Is it cowardly? Yeah, of course, but these people are not heroes. You don't go to Hollywood to become an activist. Speaking up would endanger their career and everything they worked so hard for, it's not a decision to take lightly. It is much easier to simply do nothing.
Also, Weinstein is obviously only the tip of the iceberg.
Basically anyone starting out willing to self sacrifice and stir things up is probably weeded out before they have enough leverage to get anything done about it.
By the time you amass enough leverage to be able to get something done about it, you've probably grown pretty used to being rewarded for ignoring it.
Mature response, crappy excuse.
So they really sold their souls to make their movies, not that i'm really surprised.
At the same time, there is the possibility of a chain reaction. One person speaks up. Then another. Then another.
And he could have been careful with what he said. Even something like saying in public: "I will no longer work with Harvey Weinstein because of his treatment of women." Can't get sued for that can you? And it could start a reaction.
I do understand how hard this is. Without being in such a situation I'm not willing to guarantee I would do the right thing (although I am willing to hope that I would). But we shouldn't be overly defeatist either.
These guys are making it really easy to never patronize any of their work ever again. Keep them coming, I have a whole spiral notebook to fill up with names.
According to Courtney Love, she was banned from one of the biggest acting agencies in California (CAA) for telling women to stay away from Harvey on the red carpet of a roast. You might not have gotten sued (and even that's not necessarily true, maybe he doesn't sue him for that, but sues him for something else he in retaliation), but you could easily be blacklisted.
You think he was making excuses?
Want someone from Hollywood to admit that they knew?
Read this. You have to read this:
http://mashable.com/2017/10/16/scott-rosenberg-screenwriter-weinstein-hollywood/#mLAL0i7xSOq1
The Facebook posting is from Scott Rosenberg, a screenwriter who worked on Miramax films in the 90's. It begins with "So, uh, yeah. We need to talk about Harvey."
Holy fucking shit after reading this. He posted this 3 days ago.
I use to be a huge fan of Kevin Smith's podcasts a couple of years back. I forget which one it was on or what episode but he said something the effect of knowing something about Weinstein that would make him (Weinstein) look horrific. Smith then goes on to say but thats not my story to tell. Again, this was years back and I could be misremembering. Its been coming to the forefront of my mind lately though
I'll make it simple for you:
- Hollywood 1940 - 2017
The whole statement is. The fact he didn't do anything and waited for it to blow up to comment. It's a profound act of cowardice, and i'm pretty sure most of them would have remained silent if this was still put under the rug.
It's completely shameful.
I'll make it simple for you:
- Hollywood 1940 - 2017
Everybody knew, everyone was complicit and it worked this way because anyone rocking the boat would have been ostracized.
Taking a firm stand against this could have definitely hurt Tarantino's career, although it's unlikely it would have extinguished it completely.
Is it cowardly? Yeah, of course, but these people are not heroes. You don't go to Hollywood to become an activist. Speaking up would endanger their career and everything they worked so hard for, it's not a decision to take lightly. It is much easier to simply do nothing.
Also, Weinstein is obviously only the tip of the iceberg.
probably saw the roasting ben affleck got.
Did he really need Weinstein for Hateful Eight? There comes a point where it wasn't about "survival" and more about making stacks.
I think that's assuming that a major studio would be willing to give Tarantino the budgets and creative control his movies eventually got for how non-mainstream most of them are, as well as knowing how to advertise them. Even the example that you gave with The Hateful Eight was given a 70mm roadshow engagement, and that was for a near 3 hour-long western/chamber mystery where nearly every character in it is an absolutely horrible human being and want nothing more than to kill each other in rather graphic ways. Harvey's an absolute garbage person, but he's also one of the few people out there that knows how to sell something like that to a big audience, let alone get the money for it in the first place.
Could he have set up shop anywhere else after Pulp Fiction? Absolutely. Would we have gotten the same films we've gotten since then if he cut his ties to Harvey at that point? I honestly doubt we would have.
Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's being sincere and didn't realise the extent to Weinstein's abuse but my instinct says he probably knew full well what he got up to and knows he can't really publicly deny it when it seems many in Hollywood had heard about him. Always got the feeling something was off about Tarantino, his whole demeanour is creepy not to mention strangling actresses on set.
I can't wait to hear from other directors on this, especially Scorsese.