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[pr0cs]

GAF is a worldwide site PlayStation is far more popular than Xbox worldwide. So obviously that will reflect on gaf. OP if you can't handle that I'D suggest a Xbox only site.

I think the op is simply hoping for a heavier hand from the mods in regards to the seemingly endless shit posts in Xbox centric threads.
At least on the same frequency that has been seen previously in Sony centric content

 

[Snorlocs]

Personally I think it has to do more with the condescending attitude that comes with the drive-bys or shitposts. This of course is then followed by the condescending "persecution complex" crowd. I just think if people were a little bit less assholey in general it wouldn't be so bad. Yeah we get it, you dislike X platform for Y reason (valid or not), but there is no need to be a complete knob about it.

 

[RedAssedApe]

this thread...haha.

no wonder the thread title hasn't been changed.

 

[Elfstar]

The harsh truth: if you're sick of fanboy-ridden discussions, you should just give up on dedicated forums or comunities already. You're not going to find a lot of unbiased, rational posts, especially on big/huge sites. Gaming fans are probably the most immature and sheep minded consumers of the world, and that alone says a lot.

I don't think it's going to be easy to find an XOne-positive comunity either, unless it's on a strictly Microsoft enthusiast website. It's just a really unpopular console, like the Ps3 was during last gen compared to the X360 (in the USA), and most people are way more invested in its more attractive alternatives on the market right now.

That's my opinion at least.

 

[Fisty]

Personally I think it has to do more with the condescending attitude that comes with the drive-bys or shitposts. This of course is then followed by the condescending "persecution complex" crowd. I just think if people were a little bit less assholey in general it wouldn't be so bad. Yeah we get it, you dislike X platform for Y reason (valid or not), but there is no need to be a complete knob about it.

You've got to admit, it would be pretty easy for most people to just read a shitpost and continue on with their day. Fanboys works both ways, because only a fanboy would take a comment like the OP posted personally enough to feel it should be silenced by moderators.

 

[Aters]

but it only swings towards Sony this generation because they have been dominating the generation

You are right. But what I said is also true. Anyway, I admit I have a growing grudge against Sony so I'm not the best judge in this issue.

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

You're one of the worst troll in here little girl, what are you talking about?

Wow, a platform warrior AND a garbage human being all-in-one.

Folks in these streets wild-n-out because the property value's dropped, I see.

 

[Snorlocs]

You've got to admit, it would be pretty easy for most people to just read a shitpost and continue on with their day. Fanboys works both ways, because only a fanboy would take a comment like the OP posted personally enough to feel it should be silenced by moderators.

That is true, but there comes a point where you go in to any thread and see the same shiposters posting the same shit ad-nausea. It get's tiring. It's like you will never get to have a normal thread with like minded individuals, or level-headed individuals who prefer other platforms, without seeing the thread derailed by the same people every time.

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

You've got to admit, it would be pretty easy for most people to just read a shitpost and continue on with their day. Fanboys works both ways, because only a fanboy would take a comment like the OP posted personally enough to feel it should be silenced by moderators.

You don't see how those posts push people away from GAF and hurt its image?

It's not about anything personal.. I can move past those posts like I always have since they've always been a thing. The point though is if GAF cares about improving its image, people should consider the negative impact shitpost dogpiles have. This is what people are either missing or dismissing.

 

[WadeitOut]

To answer your question OP based on the comments from the regular Sony devout in here...

Probably not.

 

[MaulerX]

You’re one of the worst troll in here little girl, what are you talking about?

 

[Orca]

You've got to admit, it would be pretty easy for most people to just read a shitpost and continue on with their day. Fanboys works both ways, because only a fanboy would take a comment like the OP posted personally enough to feel it should be silenced by moderators.

It would also be pretty easy to just ban the continual shitposters and turn the place back into somewhere developers would actually go.

Maybe there's somewhere else that'll do that.

 

[K.Jack]

Yep, hit the nail on the head quite nicely. Any regular who visits this site knows that positive Xbox news threads in general turn to a massive shitfest real fast, especially if the thread is comparing something (like DF threads). This isn't an opinion. This isnt a persecution complex like Sony fans love to scream from rooftops all day.
This is a well known, common consensus that you constantly see people post, and have posted, for years.

The usual suspects know how to post and stay within the lines of what's tolerable and not tolerable. Also, since there are a whole lot more Sony "fans" on NeoGAF, they can report en masse which is something other fans can't do as collaborative, leading it to be lopsided in that area, as well. I have lurked here since 2006 and I can share certain things that people like to pretend never existed:

- NeoGAF has NEVER been pro-Xbox. People like to lie and create revisionist history just because launch PS3 era was very bad for Sony, and just because they were criticized rightfully for many things. Want proof? Look at all the X massive game is coming to Xbox 360 threads. They are an absolute plethora of shit-flinging anti-Xbox N4G/Gamefaqs tier posts, and this can be seen repeated again and again for years, building up as PS3 gained traction. People think the FF13 Xbox announcement thread was bad? Can we look back at archived threads anymore? Because I have gems galore, such as the Forza 3 thread which was the first time a rival was more critically acclaimed than GT. Yes, PS3 shitted on for a while, but never even remotely close to as Xbox RDoD or Xbox One. Xbox 360 was just a revolutionary system (XBL, party chat, etc) with good games and there were more positive Xbox posts than exist nowadays.

- NeoGAF has always been a haven for Sony fanboys. Even though there has always been a strong Nintendo following, there is an extremely vocal majority here who prefer PlayStation, ranging from casual fan to contrarian evangelist to rabid corporate licksplittler fanboy. Insiders, like Pete Dodd "famousmortimer" were worshipped like a God and able to get away with so much shit just because there were thousands of fanboys who drooled at his posts. I would look at people getting condemned and harrassed for calling him an unpaid Sony shill and then see his twitter that, back then, would have him calling people in comments "xbots" and using the abbreviation "M$." I would think, do people here not read Twitter? Why do people care when he leaks false info about Microsoft when he very obviously is a massive, massive Sony fan who would constantly try to spread FUD about the competition? Then lo and behold his fanboyism goes into overdrive and he he gets banned for defending Driveclub so hard that he lies about a developer to defend the game... and the Sony dev in question roasts him on here. So many people here don't realize their Twitter is viewable by all and you'd see someone tread the line carefully here only to tweet in the NeoGAF new threads Twitter line and have their console war history be viewed. Certain mods here were bias as well, 2 in particular who are not mods anymore. Other than them the mods seemed very fair and neutral IMHO.

Now, this isn't to say that they're the only fans that do this, but it is extremely lopsided. Again, this isn't an opinion. And honestly, I don't care if one of the usual suspects I've roasted comes in and tries call me an Xbox/Nintendo fan and call the kettle black.

You have people like this:



who, if you look at their history, reguarly goes into Xbox threads to shit it up but tries to pretend to be neutral, to people like thelastword who doesn't even try. Speaking of:



He's now permantely banned. Good riddance.

You guys have so many "regulars", who "constantly" shit up positive Xbox threads, so it should be easy to name them, yeah?

Otherwise it's a persecution complex.

Favourite teams? Are you serious?

You do know that many gamers own multiple consoles from different companies? Some even own all of them. It's nothing like supporting a team. There is no side to choose here.

You know damn well the OP isn't speaking as a "neutral party", so why even bring this up?

 

[Rellik]

I tend to shit on Sony the most and PS4 is the only console I have. But that's more frustration of being a Sony customer and constantly being shit on by them.

 

[Vlade]

It would also be pretty easy to just ban the continual shitposters and turn the place back into somewhere developers would actually go.

Maybe there's somewhere else that'll do that.

A place that bans more shitposters than neogaf? A place that creates a safe environment for devs to advertise to the home team?

Im getting very confused about what the hopes are for these other places.

 

[hank_tree]

Wasnt this place the opposite during last gen?

You mean when MGS4 got Game of the Year? Yeah sure.

 

[Inuhanyou]

It would also be pretty easy to just ban the continual shitposters and turn the place back into somewhere developers would actually go.

Maybe there's somewhere else that'll do that.

they arent coming back here, that's for sure

 

[Nategc20]

For the last couple of years this forum have become so Sony toxic it was to the point every Xbox thread was ruined...I don't need to say more. It was a well planned execution on Sony part and it shills. Almost like trump in a way.

 

[Doukou]

You guys have so many "regulars", who "constantly" shit up positive Xbox threads, so it should be easy to name them, yeah?



You know damn well the OP isn't speaking as a "neutral party", so why even bring this up?

Do you want me to name and shame them? I’ve already done that with one person in this thread. The goal isn’t to punish people but try to find a way to moderate threads to encourage disscusion that isn’t just drivebys.

 

[Christocolus]

Yep, hit the nail on the head quite nicely. Any regular who visits this site knows that positive Xbox news threads in general turn to a massive shitfest real fast, especially if the thread is comparing something (like DF threads). This isn't an opinion. This isnt a persecution complex like Sony fans love to scream from rooftops all day.
This is a well known, common consensus that you constantly see people post, and have posted, for years.

The usual suspects know how to post and stay within the lines of what's tolerable and not tolerable. Also, since there are a whole lot more Sony "fans" on NeoGAF, they can report en masse which is something other fans can't do as collaborative, leading it to be lopsided in that area, as well. I have lurked here since 2006 and I can share certain things that people like to pretend never existed:

- NeoGAF has NEVER been pro-Xbox. People like to lie and create revisionist history just because launch PS3 era was very bad for Sony, and just because they were criticized rightfully for many things. Want proof? Look at all the X massive game is coming to Xbox 360 threads. They are an absolute plethora of shit-flinging anti-Xbox N4G/Gamefaqs tier posts, and this can be seen repeated again and again for years, building up as PS3 gained traction. People think the FF13 Xbox announcement thread was bad? Can we look back at archived threads anymore? Because I have gems galore, such as the Forza 3 thread which was the first time a rival was more critically acclaimed than GT. Yes, PS3 shitted on for a while, but never even remotely close to as Xbox RDoD or Xbox One. Xbox 360 was just a revolutionary system (XBL, party chat, etc) with good games and there were more positive Xbox posts than exist nowadays.

- NeoGAF has always been a haven for Sony fanboys. Even though there has always been a strong Nintendo following, there is an extremely vocal majority here who prefer PlayStation, ranging from casual fan to contrarian evangelist to rabid corporate licksplittler fanboy. Insiders, like Pete Dodd "famousmortimer" were worshipped like a God and able to get away with so much shit just because there were thousands of fanboys who drooled at his posts. I would look at people getting condemned and harrassed for calling him an unpaid Sony shill and then see his twitter that, back then, would have him calling people in comments "xbots" and using the abbreviation "M$." I would think, do people here not read Twitter? Why do people care when he leaks false info about Microsoft when he very obviously is a massive, massive Sony fan who would constantly try to spread FUD about the competition? Then lo and behold his fanboyism goes into overdrive and he he gets banned for defending Driveclub so hard that he lies about a developer to defend the game... and the Sony dev in question roasts him on here. So many people here don't realize their Twitter is viewable by all and you'd see someone tread the line carefully here only to tweet in the NeoGAF new threads Twitter line and have their console war history be viewed. Certain mods here were bias as well, 2 in particular who are not mods anymore. Other than them the mods seemed very fair and neutral IMHO.

Now, this isn't to say that they're the only fans that do this, but it is extremely lopsided. Again, this isn't an opinion. And honestly, I don't care if one of the usual suspects I've roasted comes in and tries call me an Xbox/Nintendo fan and call the kettle black.

You have people like this:



who, if you look at their history, reguarly goes into Xbox threads to shit it up but tries to pretend to be neutral, to people like thelastword who doesn't even try. Speaking of:



He's now permantely banned. Good riddance.

.

 

[Segaswirl]

You mean when MGS4 got Game of the Year? Yeah sure.

Twice, I believe. Not bad for being the worst entry in the series.

/runs

 

[bill0527]

GAF is a worldwide site PlayStation is far more popular than Xbox worldwide. So obviously that will reflect on gaf. OP if you can't handle that I'D suggest a Xbox only site.

In other words....

We're the majority and that gives us the right to shitpost all over your threads and if you don't like it, then get to stepping...because we're the majority.

Got it.

 

[Hideki Kamiya]

Wasnt this place the opposite during last gen?

Yeah. Now GAF is just Sony gaf and their favourite games are the shittiest games (uncharted, horizon, tlou, etc). Y'all need to play real PS4 games like nier, Persona, yakuza and danganronpa.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

Yep, hit the nail on the head quite nicely. Any regular who visits this site knows that positive Xbox news threads in general turn to a massive shitfest real fast, especially if the thread is comparing something (like DF threads). This isn't an opinion. This isnt a persecution complex like Sony fans love to scream from rooftops all day.
This is a well known, common consensus that you constantly see people post, and have posted, for years.

The usual suspects know how to post and stay within the lines of what's tolerable and not tolerable. Also, since there are a whole lot more Sony "fans" on NeoGAF, they can report en masse which is something other fans can't do as collaborative, leading it to be lopsided in that area, as well. I have lurked here since 2006 and I can share certain things that people like to pretend never existed:

- NeoGAF has NEVER been pro-Xbox. People like to lie and create revisionist history just because launch PS3 era was very bad for Sony, and just because they were criticized rightfully for many things. Want proof? Look at all the X massive game is coming to Xbox 360 threads. They are an absolute plethora of shit-flinging anti-Xbox N4G/Gamefaqs tier posts, and this can be seen repeated again and again for years, building up as PS3 gained traction. People think the FF13 Xbox announcement thread was bad? Can we look back at archived threads anymore? Because I have gems galore, such as the Forza 3 thread which was the first time a rival was more critically acclaimed than GT. Yes, PS3 shitted on for a while, but never even remotely close to as Xbox RDoD or Xbox One. Xbox 360 was just a revolutionary system (XBL, party chat, etc) with good games and there were more positive Xbox posts than exist nowadays.

- NeoGAF has always been a haven for Sony fanboys. Even though there has always been a strong Nintendo following, there is an extremely vocal majority here who prefer PlayStation, ranging from casual fan to contrarian evangelist to rabid corporate licksplittler fanboy. Insiders, like Pete Dodd "famousmortimer" were worshipped like a God and able to get away with so much shit just because there were thousands of fanboys who drooled at his posts. I would look at people getting condemned and harrassed for calling him an unpaid Sony shill and then see his twitter that, back then, would have him calling people in comments "xbots" and using the abbreviation "M$." I would think, do people here not read Twitter? Why do people care when he leaks false info about Microsoft when he very obviously is a massive, massive Sony fan who would constantly try to spread FUD about the competition? Then lo and behold his fanboyism goes into overdrive and he he gets banned for defending Driveclub so hard that he lies about a developer to defend the game... and the Sony dev in question roasts him on here. So many people here don't realize their Twitter is viewable by all and you'd see someone tread the line carefully here only to tweet in the NeoGAF new threads Twitter line and have their console war history be viewed. Certain mods here were bias as well, 2 in particular who are not mods anymore. Other than them the mods seemed very fair and neutral IMHO.

Now, this isn't to say that they're the only fans that do this, but it is extremely lopsided. Again, this isn't an opinion. And honestly, I don't care if one of the usual suspects I've roasted comes in and tries call me an Xbox/Nintendo fan and call the kettle black.

You have people like this:



who, if you look at their history, reguarly goes into Xbox threads to shit it up but tries to pretend to be neutral, to people like thelastword who doesn't even try. Speaking of:



He's now permantely banned. Good riddance.

I had lurked on and off since my old forum home (Myspace VG Forum lol) went to shit back in the day. And I can vouch for a lot of this

 

[Galactic Barret]

"Since we got rid of the OT, here is a list of things I want to be removed as well".

Thats bold. I can't even be mad at the hustle.

Not everything is going to be an utopia, though. Expect the insults about your favorite console to double as the influx of new members come in and the XOX comes out.

Oh, what a Merry Christmas this will be.

 

[120v]

i've been browsing these forums since its inception and never noticed any anti-xbox sentiment until the controversy broke out and that's one of he biggest things people harp on

i guess as a PC gamer/old dude that kind of stuff flies past my radar but if it is indeed a thing i'd venture to say it's a relatively new thing. and it's not so much anti-xbox as it's a matter of nobody liking a loser. for somebody looking to throw down $300+ on a current gen gaming experience xbox is easily the worst proposition for reasons enumerated several times, i don't think need repeating. so naturally people will shit on that, no need to make it a tribal thing

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Personally I think it has to do more with the condescending attitude that comes with the drive-bys or shitposts. This of course is then followed by the condescending "persecution complex" crowd. I just think if people were a little bit less assholey in general it wouldn't be so bad. Yeah we get it, you dislike X platform for Y reason (valid or not), but there is no need to be a complete knob about it.

Agreed. I love shit talking about other systems for fun from time to time. Unfortunately, some like to seriously talk down and treat people like shit for their console choice and it is a bit nuts. I don't even poke fun anymore because I don't want it to come off wrong.

 

[SomeRandomWeirdGuy]

I was a 360 guy last gen, but went PS4 this gen (finally getting an xbone with the X though) and I agree, that kind of posting is just shitty. I expect that kind of shit on /v/ not a forum that prides itself on actual discussion. There's a world of difference between "Personally I feel there's not enough on the Xbox One that appeals to my interests, and it doesn't seem that Microsoft is going to fix that anytime soon" and "lol Xbox no games kazhirai CEO memes and Antonio banderas gifs" and the dogpiling that inevitably ensues.

There's nothing wrong with being a fan of one console or another, but you don't have to be a dick about it. If you wanna shitpost console war bs there's a million other places to do that

 

[Huge Succeeded]

i've been browsing these forums since its inception and never noticed any anti-xbox sentiment until the controversy broke out and that's one of he biggest things people harp on

i guess as a PC gamer/old dude that kind of stuff flies past my radar but if it is indeed a thing i'd venture to say it's a relatively new thing. and it's not so much anti-xbox as it's a matter of nobody liking a loser. for somebody looking to throw down $300+ on a current gen gaming experience xbox is easily the worst proposition for reasons enumerated several times, i don't think need repeating. so naturally people will shit on that, no need to make it a tribal thing

People have been calling out GAF on this for almost 10 whole years now.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I was a 360 guy last gen, but went PS4 this gen (finally getting an xbone with the X though) and I agree, that kind of posting is just shitty. I expect that kind of shit on /v/ not a forum that prides itself on actual discussion. There's a world of difference between "Personally I feel there's not enough on the Xbox One that appeals to my interests, and it doesn't seem that Microsoft is going to fix that anytime soon" and "lol Xbox no games kazhirai CEO memes and Antonio banderas gifs" and the dogpiling that inevitably ensues.

There's nothing wrong with being a fan of one console or another, but you don't have to be a dick about it. If you wanna shitpost console war bs there's a million other places to do that

i think the kaz hirai ceo and antonio banadares memes were perfectly valid against what MS had brought to the table initially. When people become assholes against other members is presumably the problem, but the OP's examples are just jokes against a company, something nobody should even complain about. Nobody should give a shit about what someone says about a corp, regardless of if its one of their choice or not

People have been calling out GAF on this for almost 10 whole years now.

There's the actual feeling of being victimized by overly aggressive members, and there's statham hood. Never go full statham. People like impeccable and thelastword just allow for people like statham to be legitimized however because they are simply assholes on their own

 

[PeterGAF]

They literally haven’t had shit for a decade and delusional xbox fans still cling to hope. Sad.

This is the grade A level of discourse we can now expect on GAF

 

[Dremorak]

Is it toxic if its true?

 

[Poona]

Well I can't say I ever really noticed an issue but I have both a PS4 (Pro) and XBOX One, and my preferences will be changing to the X with it's launch now so I can only assume there will be others who feel the same.

 

[Mooreberg]

I would guess account suicides and goatse will be the main focus in the immediate future, then eventually moderating whatever wouldn't have been tolerated in the first place... but I think that type of stuff is typically tolerated if it isn't a total thread derail.

 

[watdaeff4]

You’re one of the worst troll in here little girl, what are you talking about?

Wow.

Classy statement.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Is it toxic if its true?

Attacking MS is different from attacking a member. So yes, that is toxic.

 

[120v]

People have been calling out GAF on this for almost 10 whole years now.

for what it's worth i remember when defending PS3 would get you laughed out of a thread.

"maybe things will pan out in the long term?"

"LOL $599 get a second job MGS4 gun-in-mouth.jpg. rip in peace PS"

i just think these things are dynamic and the "losing" side will always be at the receiving end (caveat is wii u, as nintendo has its own niche in console warzzz)

 

[GTR R35_Supra RZ]

Yep, hit the nail on the head quite nicely. Any regular who visits this site knows that positive Xbox news threads in general turn to a massive shitfest real fast, especially if the thread is comparing something (like DF threads). This isn't an opinion. This isnt a persecution complex like Sony fans love to scream from rooftops all day.
This is a well known, common consensus that you constantly see people post, and have posted, for years.

The usual suspects know how to post and stay within the lines of what's tolerable and not tolerable. Also, since there are a whole lot more Sony "fans" on NeoGAF, they can report en masse which is something other fans can't do as collaborative, leading it to be lopsided in that area, as well. I have lurked here since 2006 and I can share certain things that people like to pretend never existed:

- NeoGAF has NEVER been pro-Xbox. People like to lie and create revisionist history just because launch PS3 era was very bad for Sony, and just because they were criticized rightfully for many things. Want proof? Look at all the X massive game is coming to Xbox 360 threads. They are an absolute plethora of shit-flinging anti-Xbox N4G/Gamefaqs tier posts, and this can be seen repeated again and again for years, building up as PS3 gained traction. People think the FF13 Xbox announcement thread was bad? Can we look back at archived threads anymore? Because I have gems galore, such as the Forza 3 thread which was the first time a rival was more critically acclaimed than GT. Yes, PS3 shitted on for a while, but never even remotely close to as Xbox RDoD or Xbox One. Xbox 360 was just a revolutionary system (XBL, party chat, etc) with good games and there were more positive Xbox posts than exist nowadays.

- NeoGAF has always been a haven for Sony fanboys. Even though there has always been a strong Nintendo following, there is an extremely vocal majority here who prefer PlayStation, ranging from casual fan to contrarian evangelist to rabid corporate licksplittler fanboy. Insiders, like Pete Dodd "famousmortimer" were worshipped like a God and able to get away with so much shit just because there were thousands of fanboys who drooled at his posts. I would look at people getting condemned and harrassed for calling him an unpaid Sony shill and then see his twitter that, back then, would have him calling people in comments "xbots" and using the abbreviation "M$." I would think, do people here not read Twitter? Why do people care when he leaks false info about Microsoft when he very obviously is a massive, massive Sony fan who would constantly try to spread FUD about the competition? Then lo and behold his fanboyism goes into overdrive and he he gets banned for defending Driveclub so hard that he lies about a developer to defend the game... and the Sony dev in question roasts him on here. So many people here don't realize their Twitter is viewable by all and you'd see someone tread the line carefully here only to tweet in the NeoGAF new threads Twitter line and have their console war history be viewed. Certain mods here were bias as well, 2 in particular who are not mods anymore. Other than them the mods seemed very fair and neutral IMHO.

Now, this isn't to say that they're the only fans that do this, but it is extremely lopsided. Again, this isn't an opinion. And honestly, I don't care if one of the usual suspects I've roasted comes in and tries call me an Xbox/Nintendo fan and call the kettle black.

You have people like this:



who, if you look at their history, reguarly goes into Xbox threads to shit it up but tries to pretend to be neutral, to people like thelastword who doesn't even try. Speaking of:



He's now permantely banned. Good riddance.

% 1 million this, and it won't ever, ever going to change. Sony warriors basically were forced to jump ship on 360 back '06 because..you have your answer most of the major AAA developers and games were Xbox 1st in mind.

Believe me they couldn't stand one bit that goddamn Xbox was the "It" and all the good stuff is only on 360.. now thank the heaven tables have turned so they can finally shitpost 24/7 in every X thread..btw God forbid there's good news about anything Xbox, shiiit we all know how t hat goes down..disgusting and embarrassing tbh.

 

[captainraincoat]

Wtf? The guy you quoted was being more than fair about it, why be a dick to him?

It was not a dig at him...what I was trying to point out is we have threads to discuss that sort of thing

Regardless of the last generation it's not justification to come in a start the same crap in the next gen.

The point I think the op was trying to make is that the moderation of these sorts of things is or was (not sure about now) very lobsided ( I was banned once for pointing this out)

If you look at neogaf from the outside it has a reputation as a sony board and some of the crap stories been thrown around this last week about paid posters and mods don't do it any favours.

Gaf has the opportunity to reset itself and try to establish itself as an unbiased outlet to discuss all things gaming...coming into an Xbox thread and...Xbox has no gamezzz......you get the picture?

Not a dig at anyone personally...just need to get rid of some of this toxic stuff

 

[SomeRandomWeirdGuy]

i think the kaz hirai ceo and antonio banadares memes were perfectly valid against what MS had brought to the table initially. When people become assholes against other members is presumably the problem, but the OP's examples are just jokes against a company, something nobody should even complain about. Nobody should give a shit about what someone says about a corp, regardless of if its one of their choice or not

Oh I know. I was all aboard the Microsoft slam fest at the beginning of the gen, as MS made terrible decision after terrible decision, and Sony just did the opposite to massive applause. That's the whole reason I went PS4 in the first place. But I feel MS has really turned shit around in most ways. Yeah it still doesn't have a comparable library to PS4 (and probably never will, due to all the cool Japanese games that will remain Sony only), but it's got backward compatibility two consoles back, while Sony refuses to even let us play PS1 classics, and so on. Despite the strides they've made tho, there's still the pervasive attitude on here against Xbox, and I can see how it can hurt actual discussion.

And believe me, I'm no corporate shill. Just gotta check my posting history to see me criticizing pretty much everything lol.

 

[kubev]

I just want to put the brakes on your statement here just to say one thing:

Forced always online DRM to destroy used games is unacceptable for some of us.

I applaud MS's new features and improvements for their users, but after being a die hard OG Xbox and 360 fan, no, there is no "well they've changed" in that case. Its crossed the line, and that should receive acknowledgement from a consumerist perspective.

You know, I agree with you to a point, but I still believe that the fan backlash caused Microsoft to renege on everything that made Xbox One interesting at that point. Sure, you could say that Microsoft made a mistake by assuming that people would accept mandatory daily online checks to retain access to their games, and I'd agree with you 100%. The style of the backlash, however, combined with the fact that the people spreading the backlash did nothing to acknowledge Microsoft's changes or "clean up" after the fact, caused Microsoft to backpedal so aggressively that the end product ultimately suffered for it.

One example:

People gripe about hard drive sizes. Originally, Microsoft intended for Xbox One to dynamically manage storage for you, deleting unneeded files from your game installations based on your save files. Obviously, this wouldn't work well with open-world games, but it would've improved the user experience for people who primarily played other types of games. Microsoft should've touted this feature to justify its always-online plans.

The bottom line: People didn't want an always-online system if the games didn't justify it. People who primarily play MMOs or online games in general probably wouldn't mind having an always-online system, yet Microsoft did nothing to tout Xbox One as *the* online system of choice. Microsoft should've created the games (or at least announced the games) that would justify an always-online console. Frankly, with all of the cloud stuff that Microsoft eventually touted as a means of making up for Xbox One's power deficit, I think Microsoft should've encouraged developers to integrate various games into a single cohesive online game world powered by Xbox LIVE. Even with slower broadband connections, I feel that the aforementioned storage management technology, as well as pre-loading major updates to the aforementioned game world, could've done big things for selling the appeal of online play to people who already bought into Xbox LIVE, but didn't necessarily embrace community features.

But no, everyone was so bent out of shape about the idea of change, and everyone embraced PlayStation 4's sameness relative to PlayStation 3 so hard that Microsoft had absolutely no reason to believe that differentiating its platform even mattered at that point.

Let's look at Kinect. It still blows my mind that people can't see the potential of Kinect, and Kinect has such a stigma attached to it that Microsoft barely even mentions it anymore. And people still seem to struggle about how to manage full-body tracking with VR. Hmm, gee, I dunno...I can't think of a single product that actually managed to track a person's body with pretty impressive levels of fidelity. Apparently, the very idea of even mentioning Kinect after the backlash to the pack-in Kinect terrifies Microsoft enough that Microsoft can't even consider the most viable and already-created solution to full-body tracking within the current VR space an actual solution.

So, yeah, Microsoft didn't have the best approach to its initial pitch, but people wanted the same thing as before with more power, and that seriously damaged the potential of Xbox One, in my opinion. People didn't want anything new; they wanted what they already knew. None of their feedback helped to make the new product better; the feedback only helped to make the new product more like the old product.

Honestly, people may disagree with me, but I firmly believe that Sega would've pulled an Xbox One a mere two console generations after Dreamcast. The difference? Even with Dreamcast, Sega felt very strongly about the importance of online console gaming. Sure, Sega didn't shove it down people's throats with Dreamcast by requiring that every game play along, but I do think that Sega knew how to better engage players in the online space, and the company's passion for it would've eventually led to a console very similar to that of Xbox One during its initial unveil. I think Sega would've done plenty to justify that requirement, though.

 

[Afrikan]

Wasnt this place the opposite during last gen?

posters are trying to down play it now, but it was MUCH WORSE before.

I think I lost sequels to games I loved because of the trolling and misinformation that was happening early last gen.

Heck YOU EVEN HAD PAID MICROSOFT Employees caught red handed trying to mess with the forum.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are still some here.

If yall are trying to start over and everyone is chill, I would love that... but don't try to rewrite history.

edit- THAT ALL BEING SAID, I actually have just presumed that most of the negative vocal posters who show fanboyism this gen were the exact same crowd from last gen who owned 360, when it was ahead. So maybe it's just fanboy/girls are just still being themselves, but just owning a different platform.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Oh I know. I was all aboard the Microsoft slam fest at the beginning of the gen, as MS made terrible decision after terrible decision, and Sony just did the opposite to massive applause. That's the whole reason I went PS4 in the first place. But I feel MS has really turned shit around in most ways. Yeah it still doesn't have a comparable library to PS4 (and probably never will, due to all the cool Japanese games that will remain Sony only), but it's got backward compatibility two consoles back, while Sony refuses to even let us play PS1 classics, and so on. Despite the strides they've made tho, there's still the pervasive attitude on here against Xbox, and I can see how it can hurt actual discussion.

And believe me, I'm no corporate shill. Just gotta check my posting history to see me criticizing pretty much everything lol.

yeah, same here. I am probably super simplifying it, but i think people who got into the festivities a few years ago became somewhat tribalist about the "narrative" of the gen with Sony being on top and MS making all the wrong moves, similar to those who don't really like to admit Nintendo doing gangbusters now because the narrative was always set that they were not "serious" outside of Nintendo games and failed spectacularly with the Wii U.

But things do change, even if things arent forgotten its reasonable for people to move on and forgive, even if i don't really care about forgiving MS for betraying my trust in their products

 

[Dlacy13g]

Fanboyism swings with the popularity of consoles. When the xbox 360 was coming on strong and Sony told you to get a 2nd job to pay for a PS3 GAF had a very strong throng of pro Xbox members. When MS came forward and said we have a box for you if you don't want to be online all the time and deal with it at $499, then Sony dancing in the isles with their reveal of $399 the tide fully swung toward Sony. When you have a console owned 2:1 in ratio you are going to see a very strong contingent of "super fans" of that console...it just comes with the territory.

We all have our preferences and choices which is totally fine. I freely admit I prefer Xbox but I also fully understand how and why I am in the minority on that front given the events of this generation.

 

[meirl]

Yep, hit the nail on the head quite nicely. Any regular who visits this site knows that positive Xbox news threads in general turn to a massive shitfest real fast, especially if the thread is comparing something (like DF threads). This isn't an opinion. This isnt a persecution complex like Sony fans love to scream from rooftops all day.
This is a well known, common consensus that you constantly see people post, and have posted, for years.

The usual suspects know how to post and stay within the lines of what's tolerable and not tolerable. Also, since there are a whole lot more Sony "fans" on NeoGAF, they can report en masse which is something other fans can't do as collaborative, leading it to be lopsided in that area, as well. I have lurked here since 2006 and I can share certain things that people like to pretend never existed:

- NeoGAF has NEVER been pro-Xbox. People like to lie and create revisionist history just because launch PS3 era was very bad for Sony, and just because they were criticized rightfully for many things. Want proof? Look at all the X massive game is coming to Xbox 360 threads. They are an absolute plethora of shit-flinging anti-Xbox N4G/Gamefaqs tier posts, and this can be seen repeated again and again for years, building up as PS3 gained traction. People think the FF13 Xbox announcement thread was bad? Can we look back at archived threads anymore? Because I have gems galore, such as the Forza 3 thread which was the first time a rival was more critically acclaimed than GT. Yes, PS3 shitted on for a while, but never even remotely close to as Xbox RDoD or Xbox One. Xbox 360 was just a revolutionary system (XBL, party chat, etc) with good games and there were more positive Xbox posts than exist nowadays.

- NeoGAF has always been a haven for Sony fanboys. Even though there has always been a strong Nintendo following, there is an extremely vocal majority here who prefer PlayStation, ranging from casual fan to contrarian evangelist to rabid corporate licksplittler fanboy. Insiders, like Pete Dodd "famousmortimer" were worshipped like a God and able to get away with so much shit just because there were thousands of fanboys who drooled at his posts. I would look at people getting condemned and harrassed for calling him an unpaid Sony shill and then see his twitter that, back then, would have him calling people in comments "xbots" and using the abbreviation "M$." I would think, do people here not read Twitter? Why do people care when he leaks false info about Microsoft when he very obviously is a massive, massive Sony fan who would constantly try to spread FUD about the competition? Then lo and behold his fanboyism goes into overdrive and he he gets banned for defending Driveclub so hard that he lies about a developer to defend the game... and the Sony dev in question roasts him on here. So many people here don't realize their Twitter is viewable by all and you'd see someone tread the line carefully here only to tweet in the NeoGAF new threads Twitter line and have their console war history be viewed. Certain mods here were bias as well, 2 in particular who are not mods anymore. Other than them the mods seemed very fair and neutral IMHO.

Now, this isn't to say that they're the only fans that do this, but it is extremely lopsided. Again, this isn't an opinion. And honestly, I don't care if one of the usual suspects I've roasted comes in and tries call me an Xbox/Nintendo fan and call the kettle black.

You have people like this:



who, if you look at their history, reguarly goes into Xbox threads to shit it up but tries to pretend to be neutral, to people like thelastword who doesn't even try. Speaking of:



He's now permantely banned. Good riddance.

This is so true.

 

[DevilSnake]

There's nothing wrong with the first quote, Microsoft's investment in studios has been significantly lower than both Sony & Nintendo to the point where they sometimes legitimately don't have any games coming out for months.

They make billions, it wouldn't hurt them investing 100/200 million on some new IPs, running a better worldwide publicly available indie fund would be a great start.

The amount of generic few word responses don't really add much to the discussion though, i'll give you that.

 

[RedAssedApe]

ya'll trying to rewrite history now. lol

like another poster said...please don't go full statham.

 

[Inuhanyou]

You know, I agree with you to a point, but I still believe that the fan backlash caused Microsoft to renege on everything that made Xbox One interesting at that point. Sure, you could say that Microsoft made a mistake by assuming that people would accept mandatory daily online checks to retain access to their games, and I'd agree with you 100%. The style of the backlash, however, combined with the fact that the people spreading the backlash did nothing to acknowledge Microsoft's changes or "clean up" after the fact, caused Microsoft to backpedal so aggressively that the end product ultimately suffered for it.

One example:

People gripe about hard drive sizes. Originally, Microsoft intended for Xbox One to dynamically manage storage for you, deleting unneeded files from your game installations based on your save files. Obviously, this wouldn't work well with open-world games, but it would've improved the user experience for people who primarily played other types of games. Microsoft should've touted this feature to justify its always-online plans.

The bottom line: People didn't want an always-online system if the games didn't justify it. People who primarily play MMOs or online games in general probably wouldn't mind having an always-online system, yet Microsoft did nothing to tout Xbox One as *the* online system of choice. Microsoft should've created the games (or at least announced the games) that would justify an always-online console. Frankly, with all of the cloud stuff that Microsoft eventually touted as a means of making up for Xbox One's power deficit, I think Microsoft should've encouraged developers to integrate various games into a single cohesive online game world powered by Xbox LIVE. Even with slower broadband connections, I feel that the aforementioned storage management technology, as well as pre-loading major updates to the aforementioned game world, could've done big things for selling the appeal of online play to people who already bought into Xbox LIVE, but didn't necessarily embrace community features.

But no, everyone was so bent out of shape about the idea of change, and everyone embraced PlayStation 4's sameness relative to PlayStation 3 so hard that Microsoft had absolutely no reason to believe that differentiating its platform even mattered at that point.

Let's look at Kinect. It still blows my mind that people can't see the potential of Kinect, and Kinect has such a stigma attached to it that Microsoft barely even mentions it anymore. And people still seem to struggle about how to manage full-body tracking with VR. Hmm, gee, I dunno...I can't think of a single product that actually managed to track a person's body with pretty impressive levels of fidelity. Apparently, the very idea of even mentioning Kinect after the backlash to the pack-in Kinect terrifies Microsoft enough that Microsoft can't even consider the most viable and already-created solution to full-body tracking within the current VR space an actual solution.

So, yeah, Microsoft didn't have the best approach to its initial pitch, but people wanted the same thing as before with more power, and that seriously damaged the potential of Xbox One, in my opinion. People didn't want anything new; they wanted what they already knew. None of their feedback helped to make the new product better; the feedback only helped to make the new product more like the old product.

Honestly, people may disagree with me, but I firmly believe that Sega would've pulled an Xbox One a mere two console generations after Dreamcast. The difference? Even with Dreamcast, Sega felt very strongly about the importance of online console gaming. Sure, Sega didn't shove it down people's throats with Dreamcast by requiring that every game play along, but I do think that Sega knew how to better engage players in the online space, and the company's passion for it would've eventually led to a console very similar to that of Xbox One during its initial unveil. I think Sega would've done plenty to justify that requirement, though.

While i get your points and see why some of those features may have appealed to you, its not worth any of the cost. I never liked Kinect for example, because it was just a gimmick for me from the start when they introduced it, in order to cover for their lack of investments in new first party endeavors, japanese games and other things.

Sameness relative to other consoles was something people wanted as proven by the sales. Its not that they didnt understand the concepts MS was putting out, they were rejected.

Your right that MS should have created more online only experiences to supplement their new console, but they had rejected destiny according to Bungie, and titanfall came a ways after launch.

Even in that scenario however, they didnt want a focus on online gaming, they wanted to control their userbase and what they did and how they did it. And that's the big negative.

 

[nintendork666]

Just be a PC fanboy instead. We get to judge EVERYBODY. We all float down here OP.

 

[SkateorDi3]

Is there a forum where you can say anything you want on videogames?

Not this one, apparently.