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[Chaos2Frozen]

This. I don't know what else people expect realistically. It's like they want a world similar to those in children shows where everyone is singing along and are happy together while the occasional bully learns his lesson and then sings along himself. Human nature doesn't allow for such utopia. You just have to learn how to defend yourself and avoid anything that you think it harms you. I'm a white straight male and even i had to do that.

Well for the rest of us living in maybe not a utopia but at least a civilized world, we expect some measure of protection provided by the governing body.

Overwatch is a theme park and Blizzard is the manager. Once in a while you have some drunk asshole causing a scene, fine whatever. But if every hour there's someone throwing shit in your park, you better damn well do something about it otherwise I'm taking my money elsewhere.

But here's my question to the "Tough it out" crowd- What exactly are you guys losing if the public puts on pressure for Blizzard to step up their efforts in ironing out toxicity? Why are you so adamant about downplaying this shit when it's within your right to demand better from something you paid money for? It's one thing if you don't think anything can be done, but it's a completely different thing to actively discourage people from trying to push for things to be done.

 

[nick_b]

I was once in a game of left 4 dead with 3 other random people. One was a girl. I am a white male though I doubt she knew that and it was before all the privilege shit hit mainstream anyway. I was just playing the game and she was shitting on me and threatening to kick me over voice chat non-stop. Her reasoning was that she had 600 hours of game time to my 300. I hadn't said anything negative. I just wanted to play the game. Once she started voting to kick me every 10 seconds I team killed everyone and left. Pretty sure she knew the other 2 players.

Point I'm getting at is that shitty people are shitty people. It doesn't matter what race, color, or creed you are. Just got to ignore that shit and move on with your life. It can only hurt you if you let it. No one should have to deal with it I know but you can't expect to get through life without dealing with some form of hater.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

No one should have to deal with it I know but you can't expect to get through life without dealing with some form of hater.

Sure, but what do you have to lose if people put pressure on Blizzard to step up their efforts in ironing out toxicity?

If you have nothing to lose, why discourage people from complaining?

 

[InterMusketeer]

Sure, but what do you have to lose if people put pressure on Blizzard to step up their efforts in ironing out toxicity?

If you have nothing to lose, why discourage people from complaining?

I don't think anyone here is stopping others from complaining to Blizzard. What they are doing is more accurately describe the problem, and also temper the expectations of what kind of solutions we can expect. Overwatch specifically does not have a problem (rather, this is the case in nearly every game and online social interaction), and it's not a sexism problem either (men are harrassed too). Yes, there's many toxic players (in Overwatch), but in general, there's not much you can do against that other than implementing the tools that already exist: reporting and muting.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

I don't think anyone here is stopping others from complaining to Blizzard. What they are doing is more accurately describe the problem, and also temper the expectations of what kind of solutions we can expect. Overwatch specifically does not have a problem (rather, this is the case in nearly every game and online social interaction), and it's not a sexism problem either (men are harrassed too). Yes, there's many toxic players (in Overwatch), but in general, there's not much you can do against that other than implementing the tools that already exist: reporting and muting.

Every time someone goes "tough it out" or "mute it" as a response, that's what they're doing. They might not intend for it, but that's how it would come across. They are inadvertently pushing the mentality of "nothing can be done".

It doesn't matter if Overwatch isn't the only game that have toxicity.
It doesn't matter if somehow everyone gets harassed equally.
It doesn't matter if there is no perfect solution to end toxicity.

It doesn't matter to tell people these things because at the end of the day, the goal is to push for things to get better, bit by bit. The moment you put this out of sight and out of mind is when things stop improving.

So please everyone with the "tough it out" mentality, we get it, we absolutely get it that Overwatch isn't the only game that have toxicity, everyone gets harassed, and there is no perfect solution to end toxicity. Now with that out of the way, let the rest of us complain about it fruitlessly. Since you think nothing can be done, it shouldn't matter right?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

The game does not have a problem with Sexism, The players are the asshats that say such things. This is the same for most communities.

If you allow something then it will be done. Blizzard enables this behavior by not actively stamping it out.

 

[royox]

If you allow something then it will be done. Blizzard enables this behavior by not actively stamping it out.

And what should they do? Hire thousands of people to read and hear every overwatch chat? They gave us players the best tool: reports. You report, blizz takes action. My gosh I got a softban 10 years ago in Wow for being "SERVER RACIST" (I told a player in pvp "sure you are from X server"). I can imagine what would they do with real racism nor harassment.

 

[Dunki]

If you allow something then it will be done. Blizzard enables this behavior by not actively stamping it out.

Can you please tell me what Blizzard can do about it?

They have their TOS, they have rules they investigate reports etc. but that's just a little amount. You can compare it with going by red across the street. Many people do it almost no one gets caught by the police.

 

[pretty done]

My gosh. I watched the video and almost had to cry because i feel kinda guilty since im part of the problematic group . I feel some form of shame because of my male gamer privilege . Thats why i give my best to protect women in online gaming. Is there ANY way to stop male supremacy groups in gaming ? Maybe implement a filter that bans people after sending a certain number of a sexist messages / reports?
Women need some sort of protection in gaming but with trump being president its not gonna happen anytime soon i guess...

lmao there's no way this is a serious post

 

[8byte]

Are people seriously saying just mute it?

C'mon. You can't just suggest that someone disable a core function of a multiplayer shooter instead of addressing the problem: Fucking man children who needed discipline as children but their parents were too hands off and "new age" to let them know right from wrong.

GTFO with that "just mute it" shit. Call your friends out and be a part of a solution instead of recommending women isolate themselves from the game. Fucking jesus...

That said, Blizzard made it pretty clear what their stances are toward discrimination and exclusion. They really dislike the toxic environment in gaming and would love to fix it, and I'm sure they're trying to find solutions to curb it and stamp it out, but you also need to do your part. All of you.

 

[tkscz]

Are people seriously saying just mute it?

C'mon. You can't just suggest that someone disable a core function of a multiplayer shooter instead of addressing the problem: Fucking man children who needed discipline as children but their parents were too hands off and "new age" to let them know right from wrong.

GTFO with that "just mute it" shit. Call your friends out and be a part of a solution instead of recommending women isolate themselves from the game. Fucking jesus...

Firstly, it's mute them and report them. Get them banned. Decrease their numbers. Secondly, reporting them is a form of calling them out. Recording them on video or saying something to them won't stop them.

"But if a friend of theirs tell them to stop"

They'll still do it. They are assholes, they don't stop because someone suggested it. Also, their "friends" aren't responsible for their behavior. Report these people and get them removed from the game. IP bans work best.

 

[Sidon]

Welp, this is the future. Multiplayer online only GaaS 'gaming'.

 

[8byte]

Firstly, it's mute them and report them. Get them banned. Decrease their numbers. Secondly, reporting them is a form of calling them out. Recording them on video or saying something to them won't stop them.

"But if a friend of theirs tell them to stop"

They'll still do it. They are assholes, they don't stop because someone suggested it. Also, their "friends" aren't responsible for their behavior. Report these people and get them removed from the game. IP bans work best.

Do you know how many reports it takes to ban someone? Or how many games would have to be collectively policed?

What's wrong with challenging views? With telling your friend he's being a piece of shit online? I have friends I've flat out told are cowards because of their online behavior. That they wouldn't do any of those things in person, face to face, with another human...and they won't. Some of them quit talking to me, some of them hadn't considered their actions (legitimately) until that point.

Challenge them. Don't place the burden to fix it on the community being targeted. That's obnoxious. If we aren't willing to fix ourselves as men, then we aren't men. We're just as trash as the guy spouting this shit in chat.

 

[RastaMentality]

People here aren't the problem though?

This post reeks of, "Men need to learn not to rape," type thinking. The people doing this are shitheads for sure, but what can we do about it other than call them out? What can the devs do but ban them? Why are you directing your comment at me, or people in this thread, that likely aren't part of the problem?

My wife plays with me and get harrassed occasionally. It can ruin her night and it pisses me off, but what can we do other than leave and join another lobby or game?This issue is with a small vocal group of assholes. I imagine 80%-95% of the gaming populace does not harass women online.

As far as female streamers, they really need a moderator working with them. Someone with a quick trigger finger for the bans.

Banning and ignoring is the only way to fight this.

And this type of thinking is correct. What exactly do you think is wrong about it? Are you alleging that the way men are socialized has nothing to do with the prevalence of rape and sexual assault/harassment?

 

[Dunki]

Are people seriously saying just mute it?

C'mon. You can't just suggest that someone disable a core function of a multiplayer shooter instead of addressing the problem: Fucking man children who needed discipline as children but their parents were too hands off and "new age" to let them know right from wrong.

GTFO with that "just mute it" shit. Call your friends out and be a part of a solution instead of recommending women isolate themselves from the game. Fucking jesus...

That said, Blizzard made it pretty clear what their stances are toward discrimination and exclusion. They really dislike the toxic environment in gaming and would love to fix it, and I'm sure they're trying to find solutions to curb it and stamp it out, but you also need to do your part. All of you.

The only way to get rid of this is to completely remove Interaction options from Competitive Multiplayer games. Even Mute will not help when you have still Chat options Even a pre set of comments you can chose of. Example. Rocket League with spamming good safe etc. Even in game emotes will be used if nothing else is there. Problem with toxic comments is that people try to find or use the easiest way to hurt other people. If you are a women its your gender, if your Black its your color, if you are fat its your weight etc.

And as long as competitive games exist you will sadly have to deal with it. And it's not some victim blaming or something else but this is the harsh reality you need to realize.

And this type of thinking is correct. What exactly do you think is wrong about it? Are you alleging that the way men are socialized has nothing to do with the prevalence of rape and sexual assault/harassment?

How about stop stigmatizing a whole gender? Just because maybe 5% of men are assholes not everyone is. There are men who are afraid to go to the park alone with their daughter or niece because people think they are predetors, Male Teachers are not allowed to close the doors while being alone with a student anymore etc. So if you really go with this thinking you generalize every man out there.

 

[8byte]

The only way to get rid of this is to completely remove Interaction options from Competitive Multiplayer games. Even Mute will not help when you have still Chat options Even a pre set of comments you can chose of. Example. Rocket League with spamming good safe etc. Even in game emotes will be used if nothing else is there. Problem with toxic comments is that people try to find or use the easiest way to hurt other people. If you are a women its your gender, if your Black its your color, if you are fat its your weight etc.

And as long as competitive games exist you will sadly have to deal with it. And it's not some victim blaming or something else but this is the harsh reality you need to realize.



How about stop stigmatizing a whole gender? Just because maybe 5% of men are assholes not everyone is. There are men who are afraid to go to the park alone with their daughter or niece because people think they are predetors, Male Teachers are not allowed to close the doors while being alone with a student anymore etc. So if you really go with this thinking you generalize every man out there.

So you're saying you'd rather be comfortable as a quiet coward instead of challenging someone's awful views?

As far as generalization goes, I think you're doing two things.

1) Grossly underestimating the number of shitty males that exist.
2) Trying to peg men as victims.

Here's a crazy idea: Just. Call. Them. Out.

Why is it SO HARD for men (who are supposed to be so tough and machismo) to challenge another man? Is it too scary? Does it make you feel soft? Why is it that it's SO HARD to just get in someone's shit and tell them to cut it out? If "good men" truly outnumber "bad men" in such a significant margin, why the fuck are they so damn silent?

Riddle me that.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

I've been playing games online for pretty much as long as it has been possible, and my experience is that any game that contains public voice chat, will be used to verbally abuse people. It is unfortunate, but what is even more unfortunate is how it is magnified for women. I can see two main causes of this. The first is the relative rarity of verified - through voice usually but also other means - women in an online gaming space. The level of rarity seems to be determined by the genre, but seems directly proportionate to the abuse they receive. In any given MMO, a known female player will receive relatively little abuse. In any given shooter they will receive a lot. Fighting games are also strong participants here. What this tells me is that women seem to be targeted less in spaces there are many more of them. How many women players encounter seems to very much effect the level of abuse.

Secondly, it seems that those who harass women in this way - and indeed are general bellends to other genders - lean towards competitive titles. Those with a sexist mentality will feel much more threatened by a woman outperforming them in a public competitive space, and so compels them to attack and demean in order to overcome this.

The only real solution is to not have public chat, because shitty people will always exist. I spent over 900 hours playing CS:GO as a man, and the level of abuse I received over this time was incredible. If I had the voice of a women, I cannot imagine how awful it would have been. Someone said it earlier, but public voice chat really was a mistake. Nothing good has ever come from it that could not be achieved through a private room or text chat. Want to communicate with your team mates properly to win? Well then don't bother with public chat, because 75% of the team don't give a fuck about it, have no headset, are mute bar grunting noises or are baby sitting a village worth of screaming angry children. It does not work without organisation, and that requires people you can put in a private room, and would. People that want to achieve this in public with randoms are dreaming for 5 minutes of it for every 10 hours they play.

So I would say all competitive games seem to have a severe problem with abuse over public chat in general, with women being the most common and frequent targets in a self perpetuating way. Women will stay away from games and genres with shitty people, making them more rarely encountered, making them greater targets for shitty people, making more women stay away etc. Only severe moderation - reviewing voice chat recordings - could solve this issue. No one will pay for that, so kill public chat.

Why is it SO HARD for men (who are supposed to be so tough and machismo) to challenge another man? Is it too scary? Does it make you feel soft? Why is it that it's SO HARD to just get in someone's shit and tell them to cut it out? If "good men" truly outnumber "bad men" in such a significant margin, why the fuck are they so damn silent?

Riddle me that.

It is because in 99% of scenarios where this happens, it amplifies the anger of the person spouting that shit. It gives them an extra target, and does not divert attention away from the woman involved making it worse. I can tell you this from experience. An incredibly small number of these types of individual will just go "sure, yeah your right". The more you ask someone not to do something, the more they do it.

 

[tkscz]

Do you know how many reports it takes to ban someone? Or how many games would have to be collectively policed?

What's wrong with challenging views? With telling your friend he's being a piece of shit online? I have friends I've flat out told are cowards because of their online behavior. That they wouldn't do any of those things in person, face to face, with another human...and they won't. Some of them quit talking to me, some of them hadn't considered their actions (legitimately) until that point.

Challenge them. Don't place the burden to fix it on the community being targeted. That's obnoxious. If we aren't willing to fix ourselves as men, then we aren't men. We're just as trash as the guy spouting this shit in chat.

It won't fix the issue any faster than reporting them. If they are being shitty, their friends calling them out won't stop it. They'll keep doing it. Hell, for some it'll harden their resolve and cause them to do it more. Some of these people don't have friends, or hang around people just as bad as they are. Some of their friends may not be into gaming enough to even watch call out videos. They need a punishment that would actually make them want to change. Banning them from the game would do that.

Challenging them doesn't always work as a LOT of people take challenging as preaching. And then telling them they are shit will only make them angrier and won't change them.

 

[Dunki]

And this type of thinking is correct. What exactly do you think is wrong about it? Are you alleging that the way men are socialized has nothing to do with the prevalence of rape and sexual assault/harassment?

So you're saying you'd rather be comfortable as a quiet coward instead of challenging someone's awful views?

As far as generalization goes, I think you're doing two things.

1) Grossly underestimating the number of shitty males that exist.
2) Trying to peg men as victims.

Here's a crazy idea: Just. Call. Them. Out.

Why is it SO HARD for men (who are supposed to be so tough and machismo) to challenge another man? Is it too scary? Does it make you feel soft? Why is it that it's SO HARD to just get in someone's shit and tell them to cut it out? If "good men" truly outnumber "bad men" in such a significant margin, why the fuck are they so damn silent?

Riddle me that.

I am not saying its more comfortable and I am not saying that people should stop to report. I just told you the only realistic meassure how to get rid of it. This is the harsh reality people need to accept while also trying to make the place a bit better by reporting etc.

As for Generalisation: Ok lets go your way. How many black people are in Jail? Should we know generalize every black person as criminals? I do not think so.

With the statement "Men need to learn not to rape" you generalize like 50% of the people living in this world. How is this even fair or not a form of discrimination? This is not only not the way to go but you also sound like a crazy person no one should listen to.

I do not know about you but I judge people based on their own actions, not on their, gender, sex, skincolor etc.

 

[oliander]

So you're saying you'd rather be comfortable as a quiet coward instead of challenging someone's awful views?

As far as generalization goes, I think you're doing two things.

1) Grossly underestimating the number of shitty males that exist.
2) Trying to peg men as victims.

Here's a crazy idea: Just. Call. Them. Out.

Why is it SO HARD for men (who are supposed to be so tough and machismo) to challenge another man? Is it too scary? Does it make you feel soft? Why is it that it's SO HARD to just get in someone's shit and tell them to cut it out? If "good men" truly outnumber "bad men" in such a significant margin, why the fuck are they so damn silent?

Riddle me that.

I can't call out anyone since I've muted team voice chat.

 

[SkateorDi3]

it's a different world now
back in the old days of xbox live

People would trash talk like crazy, calling me the nigger etc but I always roasted them back because it just words and an invisible person on the other screen. I mean you got to be quick the comebacks. Most people chilled out after a while when they found out that you can dish out the bullshit as well , hell even sent out friend request sometimes.

But since gaming is becoming more accessible to all kinds of people there is definitely a clash. People not used to it are struggling and it can get intimidating but there is no shame in muting and enjoying the game.

I kinda miss those days TBH. Cod lobbies were some of the best fucking times.

 

[Croatoan]

And this type of thinking is correct. What exactly do you think is wrong about it? Are you alleging that the way men are socialized has nothing to do with the prevalence of rape and sexual assault/harassment?

Its wrong because it assumes that, by default, men think raping is ok. Which is 100% incorrect. Its a generalization that has no standing in reality.

Rape is a deviant behavior and not the norm. Stop trying to act like it is. No man, that isn't a criminal, thinks its ok to rape. We don't need to be taught to not rape. I mean, its against the fucking law for a reason.

By saying that all men need to be taught not to rape you are saying, "all men are criminals by default and we need to make them not criminals". If this isn't disgusting to you then you are a misandrist.


The comment above is very similar, "all", I assume male, "gamers are harrassers and need to be taught not to harass". Again its a generalization that assumes the deviant behavior is the norm and not an aberration from assholes with anonymity.

 

[tkscz]

So you're saying you'd rather be comfortable as a quiet coward instead of challenging someone's awful views?

As far as generalization goes, I think you're doing two things.

1) Grossly underestimating the number of shitty males that exist.
2) Trying to peg men as victims.

Here's a crazy idea: Just. Call. Them. Out.

Why is it SO HARD for men (who are supposed to be so tough and machismo) to challenge another man? Is it too scary? Does it make you feel soft? Why is it that it's SO HARD to just get in someone's shit and tell them to cut it out? If "good men" truly outnumber "bad men" in such a significant margin, why the fuck are they so damn silent?

Riddle me that.

This way of thinking...

Listen, this doesn't work. It's not scary, it's not "un-macho", it just doesn't work.

Men like that see this type of thing as preachy. That's it. It's preaching at them. It's telling them how to think, how to feel, what to do. And they don't want to do that. You aren't "Challenging" them and I wish that people would stop using that phrase. You aren't thinking about how these people will see it. They won't see it as another view, they will see it as a form of weakness for them to exploit. They'll see it as something to fight against, not work towards.

And for this asinine idea that just because our genders match means they will listen, they won't. If that were true these people would've stopped. This idea that no man has ever told them to stop is just naive. They've been told to stop by men before. Men no different than you or I, but they don't stop because we are the enemy. And if their friend speaks against them, then he's the enemy too. That's their mind set. If they were willing to change, then they would've changed already, but they are not.

 

[Velius]

I assume this is a troll account. A foil for a good many of you to play off of. Man this userbase really has gone downhill.

On topic: I'd like to see one of you guys join an all girl team as they constantly trash your tiny dick and erectile dysfunction while saying your place should be shoveling shit as a farmhand while playing bottom for Bunyon Joe's assrape. Totally wouldn't be sexist, just some girls being jerk gamers! Right.

You've mentioned some things in there I don't quite understand but on the whole I find this post hilarious. If people said that to me I'd laugh.

And I mean I'd laugh because it's funny, not because of any contrived desperation. You've lined up a lot of insults into a concise stream. I don't think I've ever seen hatred so well focused before.

 

[Velius]

Its wrong because it assumes that, by default, men think raping is ok. Which is 100% incorrect. Its a generalization that has no standing in reality.

Rape is a deviant behavior and not the norm. Stop trying to act like it is. No man, that isn't a criminal, thinks its ok to rape. We don't need to be taught to not rape. I mean, its against the fucking law for a reason.

By saying that all men need to be taught not to rape you are saying, "all men are criminals by default and we need to make them not criminals". If this isn't disgusting to you then you are a misandrist.


The comment above is very similar, "all", I assume male, "gamers are harrassers and need to be taught not to harass". Again its a generalization that assumes the deviant behavior is the norm and not an aberration from assholes with anonymity.

It's also condescending and just screams "Men are stupid so they need to be herded into doing things properly."

And honestly if people want to take that route, fine. But weirdly, people don't like being spoken to like they're complete imbeciles, and they'll turn the person off, at which point the person screams "See? They don't care about misogyny!"

 

[AmaiMask]

It really feels like the problem isn't so much the environment, but that certain individuals can't accept said environment for what it is, and rather than taking personal responsibility decide to dictate that others should be responsible for policing social behavior. You have the tools to manage yourself and the rules are there for a reason. If a person is breaking the rules and is reported they'll eventually get dealt with. What more does there need to be than that? Why does a campaign to change the very nature of competitive/online gaming have to take place?

I know it's a stereotype, but I think it still fits here; you can't have a safespace all the time. Sometimes you've gotta learn how to properly adapt to the environment and deal with it the best you can. You're not going to change everybody into being the way you want, and rules are already in place and action is taken against those reported. As has been said many times in this thread, grow a thicker skin.

 

[Velius]

And unfortunately for Blizzard, pretty much all of their games pit players against each other as a core part of the experience, except maybe Diablo.

And for whatever reason they sure don't like to make their lives easier because I'm certain refocusing WoW's story on the conflict between Alliance and Horde is going to do wonders in combating toxicity in their community.

That toxic people exist, should never preclude anyone from offering (or embracing) a platform for competition. And we should never confuse toxic individuals with the mediums upon which they try to do harm.

 

[RastaMentality]

How about stop stigmatizing a whole gender? Just because maybe 5% of men are assholes not everyone is. There are men who are afraid to go to the park alone with their daughter or niece because people think they are predetors, Male Teachers are not allowed to close the doors while being alone with a student anymore etc. So if you really go with this thinking you generalize every man out there.

It’s funny how we’re discussing rape and sexual harassment against women and somehow you’ve found a way to make men into the victims here.

 

[Sneaky Potato]

Can i get an account permanent ban please I cant find out who the mods are. Sorry for derailing the topic

 

[RastaMentality]

Multiple statistics show sexual harassment, assault, and rape against women are so prevalent but men feel comfortable believing it’s only “5%!!” that are the problem. Huh? And we’re the crazy ones for suggesting that maybe something is wrong with how men are socialized to behave towards women? Huh?

 

[Dunki]

It’s funny how we’re discussing rape and sexual harassment against women and somehow you’ve found a way to make men into the victims here.

So I should agree with gender discrimination and sexist generalizations just because it does not involve women as victims?

Besides this thread never was about rape or even sexual harrassment but rather toxic communities. And the article focused on the use of toxic and sexist language against women while meanwhile everyone is a victim here. As I said before: People go for the easiest way to upset or hurt other people. Women = Gender Minorities = Skincolor, or Fat people weight..

If you want to play the "us vs them" or "either for or against us" game I am the wrong person for it.

 

[nick_b]

It’s funny how we’re discussing rape and sexual harassment against women and somehow you’ve found a way to make men into the victims here.

It's funny how we are actually discussing harassment against all people in general and you made men the victim when you said we have to be taught not to rape like we came out the pussy thinking rape is ok. I'm out of this thread though. Arguing against people with your mentality is like arguing with a rock.

 

[Basketball]

Can i get an account permanent ban please I cant find out who the mods are. Sorry for derailing the topic

10-08-2017 join date
You posted this in multiple threads

and you only have like 14 posts total all saying the same shit

seriously is it that hard to log out or change your password to something you can't remember

Do you want to use your ban message as a screencap for some validation somewhere?

 

[RastaMentality]

So I should agree with gender discrimination and sexist generalizations just because it does not involve women as victims?

Besides this thread never was about rape or even sexual harrassment but rather toxic communities. And the article focused on the use of toxic and sexist language against women while meanwhile everyone is a victim here. As I said before: People go for the easiest way to upset or hurt other people. Women = Gender Minorities = Skincolor, or Fat people weight..

If you want to play the "us vs them" or "either for or against us" game I am the wrong person for it.

How is everyone a victim of misogyny? Women bring up how they face gendered harassment and you pivot to racism and fat shaming... it literally makes no sense. Men face harassment online but it’s not because they are men. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[SuoGrey]

Dang I wonder what version of overwatch they play that doesn’t have a mute button. I am honestly more offended by the fact there are people dumb enough to buy the whole all men are rapists mentality.

 

[RastaMentality]

Dang I wonder what version of overwatch they play that doesn’t have a mute button. I am honestly more offended by the fact there are people dumb enough to buy the whole all men are rapists mentality.

Well no one said that so I guess you’re the dumb one

 

[SuoGrey]

Well no one said that so I guess you’re the dumb one

I guess you’re not aware of your own rhetoric but that’s cool I’ll be the dumb one lol

 

[Sentenza]

Well no one said that so I guess you're the dumb one

That's pretty much how this sounds:

And this type of thinking is correct. What exactly do you think is wrong about it? Are you alleging that the way men are socialized has nothing to do with the prevalence of rape and sexual assault/harassment?

You are pretty much implying that men will need to be constantly bashed and reminded how bad it is to be a rapist, otherwise they would all naturally tend to be.

I'd pretend to be surprised, but let's be honest: it's not the first time this rhetoric was thrown around on this forum.

 

[RastaMentality]

That's pretty much how this sounds:

You are pretty much implying that men will need to be constantly bashed and reminded how bad it is to be a rapist, otherwise they would all naturally tend to be.

I'd pretend to be surprised, but let's be honest: it's not the first time this rhetoric was thrown around on this forum.

I said socialized and you’re saying I implied a natural tendency.

You’re literally lying about what I posted because it made you upset. Calm down and read what I said without ascribing your own imagined meaning to it.

 

[nick_b]

I said socialized and you’re saying I implied a natural tendency.

You’re literally lying about what I posted because it made you upset. Calm down and read what I said without ascribing your own imagined meaning to it.

I lied about leaving. Socialized implies that rapists are socialized this way. If every man were socialized into believing that rape is ok do you really think that every man would continue doing so after seeing the reaction from women? Rape is sociopathic behavior. They know what they are doing is not ok and they know the effect it has on the victim. They just don't care.

 

[Rayis]

My gosh. I watched the video and almost had to cry because i feel kinda guilty since im part of the problematic group . I feel some form of shame because of my male gamer privilege . Thats why i give my best to protect women in online gaming. Is there ANY way to stop male supremacy groups in gaming ? Maybe implement a filter that bans people after sending a certain number of a sexist messages / reports?
Women need some sort of protection in gaming but with trump being president its not gonna happen anytime soon i guess...

I can feel the sarcasm dripping from this post

 

[The Lamonster]

Damn, that sexism montage was hard to watch.

 

[TheContact]

I have over 350 hours of overwatch played, mostly in high lvl competitive (high masters - low gm) and for the most part I don’t experience really toxic players. Every now and then you get the guy who can’t deal with being called out on something and just throws, but I’ve also never seen any sexual harassment (not saying it doesn’t exist since we have proof of it on video), but I’m just saying there’s a lot of OW players and it’s a very small majority of people who are very toxic. And of course it’s not the game to blame, it’s the community of people who are attracted to it. It’s a team based game where it’s hard for one person alone to carry, so it’s easy for people to start pointing figures which can lead to toxic behavior, but you can’t fault the game itself for requiring teamwork for success. I wonder if the lower you go on ladder the worse it gets but I’ve never played below diamond before. Also I never quick play either but that more is just for fun and messing around so if people get toxic there then they’re just dumb

 

[Rayis]

I lied about leaving. Socialized implies that rapists are socialized this way. If every man were socialized into believing that rape is ok do you really think that every man would continue doing so after seeing the reaction from women? Rape is sociopathic behavior. They know what they are doing is not ok and they know the effect it has on the victim. They just don't care.

The problem here is the definition of rape, Rasta is using a broader definition that includes more than forceful sexual contact inflicted upon women and is facilitated by male socialization which encourages heterosexual men to obtain women as sexual conquests.

Basically what is known as rape culture in feminist circles.

 

[RastaMentality]

I lied about leaving. Socialized implies that rapists are socialized this way. If every man were socialized into believing that rape is ok do you really think that every man would continue doing so after seeing the reaction from women? Rape is sociopathic behavior. They know what they are doing is not ok and they know the effect it has on the victim. They just don't care.

No, this just completely flies in the face of reality:
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/01/lots-of-men-dont-think-rape-is-rape.html

 

[Ubername]

Well for the rest of us living in maybe not a utopia but at least a civilized world, we expect some measure of protection provided by the governing body.

Protection from what? Language we don't like?

 

[RastaMentality]

Protection from what? Language we don't like?

Harassment, genius

 

[cuate]

Harassment, genius

People can "protect" themselves from trolls by not giving a fuck.

 

[RastaMentality]

People can "protect" themselves from trolls by not giving a fuck.

no one should have to tolerate harassment

do you agree or not

 

[Horsemama1956]

Its called just ignore people. I don't even read messages from people. I just play the game.

Streamers won't do that though because they're trying to make money off of people who pay to watch someone else play, which I don't get.