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[Makariel]

I'm pretty sure that the next call of duty will be covered. Phew, luckily, because we really need to know how that will turn out, such rare events. While such common things like first person rpg sans fantasy elements come around all the time.

Also, isn't an article about how or why you don't cover a game still an article about said game, hence covering it

 

[pj]

And do you think it's possible that other movies without diversity have been hyped up by some people in the past for some reason other than the quality of the movie?

Probably in the future but I haven't noticed anything like that in a mainstream movie. It seems unnecessary since by default most movies are still pretty non-diverse.

This is the best selling game of the year so far
A million in a week
A first person medieval RPG
And it isn’t published by EA or Activision
And it has no loot boxes

And it’s not being covered

wat? Monster hunter shipped 5 million, dragon ball sold over 2 million, pubg has sold over 1.5 million on pc since the end of january

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Probably in the future but I haven't noticed anything like that in a mainstream movie. It seems unnecessary since by default most movies are still pretty non-diverse.



wat? Monster hunter shipped 5 million, dragon ball sold over 2 million, pubg has sold over 1.5 million on pc since the end of january

Best selling non AAA game my bad

 

[pj]

I'm pretty sure that the next call of duty will be covered. Phew, luckily, because we really need to know how that will turn out, such rare events. While such common things like first person rpg sans fantasy elements come around all the time.

Also, isn't an article about how or why you don't cover a game still an article about said game, hence covering it

Good thing they didn't post an article about it, hence not covering it

 

[pj]

Best selling non AAA game my bad

you've never played pubg if you think it's AAA

 

[Chip Chipperson]

you've never played pubg if you think it's AAA

No no, I know that game is shit lol

But it’s got that AAA popularity and publisher backup.

 

[Makariel]

Good thing they didn't post an article about it, hence not covering it

Sorry, shouldn't have written "article", got it mixed up with another outlet last week that covered the non coverage of KC, so it's not the first time it happens with this game.

 

[Makariel]

But it’s got that AAA popularity and publisher backup.

AAA does usually just refer to the budget a game has, doesn't matter how popular. Candy crush is played by millions, but that doesn't make it AAA.

 

[mckmas8808]

Probably in the future but I haven't noticed anything like that in a mainstream movie. It seems unnecessary since by default most movies are still pretty non-diverse.

Could a movie like Titanic could considered over-rated while having a non-diverse cast?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

AAA does usually just refer to the budget a game has, doesn't matter how popular. Candy crush is played by millions, but that doesn't make it AAA.

Yeah I know. But you get what I mean.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Talking about this and Monster Hunter World would probably make great fucking discussion.

 

[llien]

This might be one of the single dumbest things I've read on GAF. Congratulations.

Why is it dumb? I'm pretty sure some will indeed like it for being so non-PC alone.
It doesn't imply game is not good.

 

[pj]

Could a movie like Titanic could considered over-rated while having a non-diverse cast?

It's overrated and has a non-diverse cast, it's not overrated because it has a non diverse cast. It seems like you're dancing around your real question, would you care to just ask it?

 

[prag16]

Why is it dumb? I'm pretty sure some will indeed like it for being so non-PC alone.
It doesn't imply game is not good.

The initial post made it sound like that was the main reason people like the game. He since clarified, and agrees most people like it because it's good. And I agree that there is probably some minority of people that DO convince themselves they like it a lot more due to non-PC-ness. Just like a minority of Black Panther viewers convince themselves they like it more due to the diversity angle.

 

[mckmas8808]

It's overrated and has a non-diverse cast, it's not overrated because it has a non diverse cast. It seems like you're dancing around your real question, would you care to just ask it?

I find it HORRIBLY unfair that a movie with a majority of the actors and actresses that are people of color has to be talked down because there are "supposed" people that say they like it to sound cool in public. So that they can "fake" their diversity. Why can't a movie with a mainly black cast just be a movie that people like? A few things about that.....

1. Why does it matter that some random people lied in public about liking Black Panther? People lie about liking popular movies all the time.
2. Are you claiming that movie reviewers also lied in their reviews about Black Panther just because it was diverse?
3. Do you feel that diversity in films and TV as of late is being forced?

 

[llien]

3. Do you feel that diversity in films and TV as of late is being forced?

Sounds ironic in a thread related to Kingdom Come...

 

[Hari Seldon]

The lack of diversity in the game opinions of the Giant Bomb staff is the main reason I stopped listening to them. Did they even bother mentioning the Civ expansion? If it isn't a AAA game, a Japanese game, or a fighting game they don't bother with it. That is their right of course, but that is not what I am looking for so I don't bother with them anymore.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The lack of diversity in the game opinions of the Giant Bomb staff is the main reason I stopped listening to them. Did they even bother mentioning the Civ expansion? If it isn't a AAA game, a Japanese game, or a fighting game they don't bother with it. That is their right of course, but that is not what I am looking for so I don't bother with them anymore.

Alex did talk about Civ on the last cast or the one previous to that one. It wasn’t anything deep though.

 

[InterMusketeer]

Did they even bother mentioning the Civ expansion?

I believe Vinny and Alex did a Quick Look video for that, yea. That video format doesn't really work for Civ though, I feel.

 

[pj]

I find it HORRIBLY unfair that a movie with a majority of the actors and actresses that are people of color has to be talked down because there are "supposed" people that say they like it to sound cool in public. So that they can "fake" their diversity. A few things about that.....

1. Why does it matter that some random people lied in public about liking Black Panther? People lie about liking popular movies all the time.
2. Are you claiming that movie reviewers also lied in their reviews about Black Panther just because it was diverse?
3. Do you feel that diversity in films and TV as of late is being forced?

I don't think they are lying about liking the movie to fake being pro-diversity. They are pro-diversity so they fake (consciously or subconsciously) liking the movie. That is an important difference...

I think it's unfair to artificially prop up something solely because it has a lot of black people in it. They don't need me to patronize them and say "you did it, champ!", even though it's just another mediocre Marvel movie.

1. I don't know if it matters but it's a thing that is happening. I used it as an analogy for what is happening with this game on the opposite side of the spectrum.
2. Some, yes, of course. It feels good to root for the good guys.
3. Forced is a loaded word, but it is a very calculated behavior of content makers. Unless you think the gigantic corporations that make movies and tv shows are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts?

 

[120v]

i'm cool with them not covering it but... at least be honest as to why. KCD good or bad is a premier 2018 title, regardless of its 'humble origins'. there are games that understandably fall through the cracks, this is definitely not one of them

 

[Phatosaurus]

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with not covering a piece of media, for whatever reason a person may desire not to.
Also, the blow back in this thread of fake-outrage over somebody not covering a game is about as bad as the outrage that the game doesn't feature any PoC.

Like, move on? It's not everybody's cup of tea and that's fine. GB isn't for me, I don't read or watch their content. Same goes for the people that don't like game, there's plenty of other games out there for them to play.

 

[mckmas8808]

I don't think they are lying about liking the movie to fake being pro-diversity. They are pro-diversity so they fake (consciously or subconsciously) liking the movie. That is an important difference...

I think it's unfair to artificially prop up something solely because it has a lot of black people in it. They don't need me to patronize them and say "you did it, champ!", even though it's just another mediocre Marvel movie.

1. I don't know if it matters but it's a thing that is happening. I used it as an analogy for what is happening with this game on the opposite side of the spectrum.
2. Some, yes, of course. It feels good to root for the good guys.
3. Forced is a loaded word, but it is a very calculated behavior of content makers. Unless you think the gigantic corporations that make movies and tv shows are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts?

It's okay that you think it's a mediocre movie. It's your personal opinion. I believe it's wrong for you to claim that people are fake liking Black Panther because they are pro diversity though. And yes I do think it's been a calculated pattern to make TV and movies more diverse. It's for the same reason that Branch Rickey (Owner of the Brooklyn Dodgers in the 30s-50s) decided to put Jackie Robinson on the Dodgers or why Red Arabach (coach and general manager of the Boston Celtics of the 60s) decided to draft black players on his team when the NBA wasn't doing it before. There's TONs of more money to be made when you are choosing from a bigger pool of talent. Why artificially restrict yourself to one small pool of talent the size of a medium-sized American city, when you can choose from a large sized pool of talent the size of a large state in America?

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with not covering a piece of media, for whatever reason a person may desire not to.
Also, the blow back in this thread of fake-outrage over somebody not covering a game is about as bad as the outrage that the game doesn't feature any PoC.

Like, move on? It's not everybody's cup of tea and that's fine. GB isn't for me, I don't read or watch their content. Same goes for the people that don't like game, there's plenty of other games out there for them to play.

But this is what forums are literally for. To not move on, but to express one's opinions about something regardless if you agree with them or not. It's fine that they are saying this. Most here aren't being rude.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with not covering a piece of media, for whatever reason a person may desire not to.
Also, the blow back in this thread of fake-outrage over somebody not covering a game is about as bad as the outrage that the game doesn't feature any PoC.

Like, move on? It's not everybody's cup of tea and that's fine. GB isn't for me, I don't read or watch their content. Same goes for the people that don't like game, there's plenty of other games out there for them to play.

Then why participate if none of this discussion is for you?

 

[Phatosaurus]

Then why participate if none of this discussion is for you?

It's about a game I own and enjoy, so some of this discussion is for me. I'm not saying there's no discussion to be had here either, I'm just seeing parallels between the initial "outrage" over the game not featuring PoC and the Tweets the director made regarding it, and some poster in this thread being outraged that GB aren't covering it and thinking that it's not because of the reasons they've stated.

Point being that both are non-issues that have/are being blown out of proportion.

 

[Filben]

Probably because it's quickly becoming an echochamber laughing stock to practically every other community outside of their clique. It took less than a month for it to recreate the same issues GAF had.

Never heard them laughing but maybe I'm not active enough there. Who knows. Weird people exist in every community, no matter if online or offline, no matter what culture or habits. I got strange replies here in this forum, too, lately. I don't think that there's a need for some kind of 'bashing' because isolated incidents. And, as a collectiv, both ERA and GAF strive for better discussions than in most forum... especially when I look at GameFAQs and the like. And no, that doesn't make me 'laugh' about that 'other clique'. It's just the way almost every thread is handled, whenever I look up something and got to it. Then again, there will always be people who suck. I'm not sure if it's easy or legit to quantify.

As for the topic, I'm not quite sure if it's realistic, but as a writer myself I choose the games I review and I don't just take a game because it's popular (when there is something I can play instead and I find probably more enjoyable). And his statement of not doing so, the coverage, is problably not random but as a response to people asking for it. I mean, it's right in the OP: "This is what Jeff Gerstmann said when asked about Giant Bomb's lack of coverage for Kingdom Come Deliverence:"

 

[A Regular Guy]

Probably because it's quickly becoming an echochamber laughing stock to practically every other community outside of their clique. It took less than a month for it to recreate the same issues GAF had.

Xaero Gravity for SW king! (I kid)

Secondly, this is disappointing from someone that stood for integrity after the Kane and Lynch review fiasco.

 

[Coolio McAwesome]

It's pretty obvious that Gertsmann is being disingenuous here, but it does show you how worthless and out of touch game journalists have become. Kingdom Come is a huge commercial success and is one of the most popular topics on their own forums! They are out of touch with their own readers and the gaming community at large. It's pretty embarrassing for GiantBomb to have misread the market this badly.

 

[Kacho]

Was OP banned for this thread?

 

[Dr. Claus]

Was OP banned for this thread?

It was explained on the last page.

Just a temporary ban for the weekend to allow heads to cool.

 

[Kacho]

It was explained on the last page.

Just a temporary ban for the weekend to allow heads to cool.

Ah thanks. I overlooked that mod post.

 

[Achelexus]

1 million units sold without the need of Waypoint or the likes. I'd say the game is better off without them.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

If Drew was still there it may have been covered. He likes historical games.

 

[TheSadRanger]

A Vinny play through would have been a gold mine for laughs though. He's still the best thing the site has.

 

[Kacho]

I don’t know. More power to GiantBomb if they don’t want to cover this game. As someone who consumed their content regularly before Ryan Davis died their reasoning for not wanting to cover this game seems pretty weak. But whatever.

The game seems to be doing well regardless and streamers are the big dogs nowadays, so their lack of coverage means little when you look at the big picture. The game still has a ton of visibility and I’m glad for that. It’s a great game.

 

[Alexander DeLarge]

Funny, that's how I feel about watching the content Giant Bomb puts out nowadays.

 

[RiccochetJ]

They've been up front about this since they launched the site. If no one on the team is interested, then they won't cover it. Sounds like no one was interested.

 

[stevish]

When he says they find nothing interesting in the game when it is one of the few with real direction, that's not just a cookie cutter of the same past 30 games in the genre and brings new ideas and systems... I really hope it's out of ignorance, I just have my doubts. It sucks that people can't just be honest with each other and have open discussion.

I like giant bomb, I hope they do discuss it as it would be good to get their opinion on the game.

 

[ickythingz]

Didn't even know GB still existed lol. Don't worry GB, you aren't important to the gaming community either.

Also, not giving props to a new indie dev doing as well as they have done is pretty shallow. Indies/all devs need our support.

 

[Bl@de]

Unique experience. One million units sold within a week. Not interesting? Yeah. Just cut the bullshit and say you want to ignore it because of political reasons. No problem as a private company, but don‘t act stupid. It won‘t help.

 

[Dizagaox]

Not sure it's politically motivated at all. They've likely not covered it because it's just not interesting to them.

 

[Dizagaox]

Didn't even know GB still existed lol. Don't worry GB, you aren't important to the gaming community either.

They have the 2 most popular gaming podcasts in the world, 25k monthly subscribers and then loads of free tier fans. I think they're fairly important.

 

[MayauMiao]

You cannot deny GB did it for politics. This is one of the most talked about title in 2018 so far with strong word of mouth, great gameplay, fantastic sales for a kickstarter funded game.

This only make GB look disingenuous to gamers as a fairly unbias gaming site.

 

[pj]

You cannot deny GB did it for politics. This is one of the most talked about title in 2018 so far with strong word of mouth, great gameplay, fantastic sales for a kickstarter funded game.

This only make GB look disingenuous to gamers as a fairly unbias gaming site.

Lol man this place has gone downhill.

Yes it can be denied, there is no evidence for political motivation other than your paranoid victim mentality.

And the word you're looking for is "unbiased"

 

[Netrunner2k2]

Looking at their past Quick Looks, it does seem like there's more than just a lack of interest in the game. There is some total crap they've looked at; games they had to know was crap and still looked at them. Especially knowing the taste from some of the duders, like Vinny.

Compile that with other things on the podcast and GotY stuff in recent years and you could make a case that Jeff isn't being totally honest at the very least.

 

[SatansReverence]

You cannot deny GB did it for politics. This is one of the most talked about title in 2018 so far with strong word of mouth, great gameplay, fantastic sales for a kickstarter funded game.

This only make GB look disingenuous to gamers as a fairly unbias gaming site.

It does scream of "give us attention because we didn't give thing attention!"

The fact that they had to mention that they aren't giving it attention is indeed disingenuous

 

[Dr. Claus]

It does scream of "give us attention because we didn't give thing attention!"

The fact that they had to mention that they aren't giving it attention is indeed disingenuous

I wouldn't necessarily say that is the case. If this was stated on his Twitter or the website with no provocation, I would say you are more correct with that line of thinking, but was a reply to someone who had asked.

The only part that felt unnecessary/antagonistic was the final sentence as I had mentioned previously - which could lead one to believe that this is more political than it is simply for the reasons they originally stated.

Lol man this place has gone downhill.

Yes it can be denied, there is no evidence for political motivation other than your paranoid victim mentality.

And the word you're looking for is "unbiased"

No need to be antagonistic now. Lets keep the conversation/discussion civil

 

[TTOOLL]

Journalism in general has been such a joke since social media took off it's not even funny anymore. "Gaming" journalism is a little worse than the average, the part about reviews etc, tech analysis are still legit.

 

[SatansReverence]

I wouldn't necessarily say that is the case. If this was stated on his Twitter or the website with no provocation, I would say you are more correct with that line of thinking, but was a reply to someone who had asked.

The only part that felt unnecessary/antagonistic was the final sentence as I had mentioned previously - which could lead one to believe that this is more political than it is simply for the reasons they originally stated.

Ah ok, my misunderstanding then.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

They have the 2 most popular gaming podcasts in the world