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[KevinKeene]

You want to prevent the pua techniques to propagate. Well you cant, it propagates from father to son, friend to friend, from observation and lastly but most importantly human biology.

If you want to be the real white knight go the clubs and bars and protect the women being preyed upon, warn them, explain to them the trap being set. Dont let them go away in that cab with the pua.

But why? Sex is bad?

 

[Xaero Gravity]

But why? Sex is bad?

What blows my mind, is people acting like there aren't any women out there that aren't into hook ups or one night stands.

 

[abracadaver]

Played around 2 hours of it yesterday and this is the funniest game I have ever played. Even just reading some of the possible answers made me laugh out loud

 

[bitbydeath]

I date a feminist and find this equally offensive and hilarious, because you clearly have a warped view of feminists

Equal rights activists are not feminists. Feminists are the ones that want to push the bar further and keep guys on a leash.

What do you call them?

 

[Koala Driving a Ferrari]

I'm watching a let's play video of this now and it's hilarious. I wish that it had a retro mode though. I'd want to play it in a 4:3 aspect ratio with grainy low-bit rate Sega CD dithering to get the true 1990s FMV game experience. Opportunity missed. I'm getting the impression that the game actually takes itself seriously though... which makes it all even more amusing. I genuinely hope that this gets a sequel.

Anyone who is legitimately getting outraged by this game has a screw loose in their head. It's more harmless than a puppy.

 

[TheDuskwalker]

I'm watching a let's play video of this now and it's hilarious. I wish that it had a retro mode though. I'd want to play it in a 4:3 aspect ratio with grainy low-bit rate Sega CD dithering to get the true 1990s FMV game experience. Opportunity missed. I'm getting the impression that the game actually takes itself seriously though... which makes it all even more amusing. I genuinely hope that this gets a sequel.

Anyone who is legitimately getting outraged by this game has a screw loose in their head. It's more harmless than a puppy.

That sums up a lot of games that these type of people get outraged by.

 

[WaterAstro]

That sums up a lot of games that these type of people get outraged by.

Like Kingdom Come Deliverance, which has absolutely nothing to do with the controversy itself.

 

[Gun Animal]

"heteronormative"

great, now I have to pretend to like this game just to be on the opposite side of the fence as people who use words like this. THANKS A LOT

 

[daibaron]

But why? Sex is bad?

Can be very bad, imagine doing it with a fat or ugly chick with blue hair and hairy armpits.

 

[TannerDemoz]

Equal rights activists are not feminists. Feminists are the ones that want to push the bar further and keep guys on a leash.

What do you call them?

Mate, grow up. That's such a lame view. Sounds like you're pigeonholing ALL feminists as OTT, pushy activists.

 

[KevinKeene]

Mate, grow up. That's such a lame view. Sounds like you're pigeonholing ALL feminists as OTT, pushy activists.

He's right insofar that 'feminist' today describes the more militant type. It sucks for reasonable feminists, but then I feel little pitty when 'GamerGate', too, is used as a negative, despite GamerGate-agreeing people being reasonable.

 

[TannerDemoz]

He's right insofar that 'feminist' today describes the more militant type. It sucks for reasonable feminists, but then I feel little pitty when 'GamerGate', too, is used as a negative, despite GamerGate-agreeing people being reasonable.

Yeah, I think some feminists absolutely. Same with your Gamergate reference. But I think it's unfair to call out an entire group of people because of the actions of few. It's no different to 'ALL people who voted for X are automatically assholes' etc

 

[Dunki]

Yeah, I think some feminists absolutely. Same with your Gamergate reference. But I think it's unfair to call out an entire group of people because of the actions of few. It's no different to 'ALL people who voted for X are automatically assholes' etc

That is why people call it modern or 3rd wave Feminism

 

[LegendOfKage]

Yeah, I think some feminists absolutely. Same with your Gamergate reference. But I think it's unfair to call out an entire group of people because of the actions of few. It's no different to 'ALL people who voted for X are automatically assholes' etc

It's always bothers me how the left and right are quick to generalize other people, and then they get mad when someone generalizes them or their group. SOME <---important word, there--feminists generalize the hell out of men, and then act like you're "trying to invalidate their experiences" or whatever if you say that not all men are like that.

But if you're going to generalize feminists, you have no right to say "not all men" in the first place. Either generalizations are okay, or they're not. Political discourse can get heated enough through basic differences in opinion. We don't need to throw gasoline on that fire with bad-faith arguments and conflation.

 

[Blackie]

If this game is truly the bad kind of PUA which normalizes that well-known sexist kind of "aggressive flirting" then I'm all for privately owned corporations/platform holders exercising their legal right to deny it a platform (which would have helped normalize such behavior in impressionable youth/etc.). Doesn't matter if the behavior is men to women, women to men or any other gender combination - their is much room for human improvement to widespread equality/diversity/respect.

 

[KevinKeene]

If this game is truly the bad kind of PUA which normalizes that well-known sexist kind of "aggressive flirting" then I'm all for privately owned corporations/platform holders exercising their legal right to deny it a platform (which would have helped normalize such behavior in impressionable youth/etc.). Doesn't matter if the behavior is men to women, women to men or any other gender combination - their is much room for human improvement to widespread equality/diversity/respect.

Flirting is sexist?

 

[Blackie]

Flirting is sexist?

Hehe no, I said "if" it's the bad kind then we should be careful ^_^

 

[KevinKeene]

Hehe no, I said "if" it's the bad kind then we should be careful ^_^

What's the 'bad kind', though? The one where guys want to have sex with a girl?

 

[LegendOfKage]

If this game is truly the bad kind of PUA which normalizes that well-known sexist kind of "aggressive flirting" then I'm all for privately owned corporations/platform holders exercising their legal right to deny it a platform (which would have helped normalize such behavior in impressionable youth/etc.). Doesn't matter if the behavior is men to women, women to men or any other gender combination - their is much room for human improvement to widespread equality/diversity/respect.

Two questions concerning this:

1) Do you think it was right for a platform holder to deny content on their platform, after the developer was previously told their content was suitable for that platform, and after the developer spent time, money, and effort in developing their software for that platform, at the last moment due to a private pressure group campaign?

Because for me personally, it's not that Sony said no. It's that they said yes, some people were upset, and then they said no.

Based on their contract, perhaps they owe the developer nothing and Sony can back out at any time. But if Sony is morally opposed to putting this game on their platform, which I can understand, I think they ethically owe the developer the money he spent developing the PS4 version if they're going to cancel it at the last minute. I think that's the only really "unfair" part of this whole thing.

2) Do you also condemn the examples of hitting on guys as mentioned in the links in this post? Moreover, do you find them to be as equally offensive or disrespectful as the idea of similar scenes in this game? If so, cool. If not, I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning why they're different.

 

[WaterAstro]

Yeah, I think some feminists absolutely. Same with your Gamergate reference. But I think it's unfair to call out an entire group of people because of the actions of few. It's no different to 'ALL people who voted for X are automatically assholes' etc

In his terms, he's right. Any women that are just looking for equality are equal rights activist. Any women fighting inequality by aiming for the extreme opposite saying women should be on top of men are feminists.

I don't use it that way, but I'd like to split the groups like that because there are a lot of feminists that are being unfair in the opposite direction.

 

[bitbydeath]

Mate, grow up. That's such a lame view. Sounds like you're pigeonholing ALL feminists as OTT, pushy activists.

How else do you define them? You can’t keep them all under the one label when they have completely different agendas.

 

[LOLCats]

Vice is total shit. They are in fact failing miserably at this point as well.

Id also add: http://www.thefashionlaw.com/home/v...-female-employees-less-than-male-counterparts

LOL

 

[Petrae]

If this game is truly the bad kind of PUA which normalizes that well-known sexist kind of "aggressive flirting" then I'm all for privately owned corporations/platform holders exercising their legal right to deny it a platform (which would have helped normalize such behavior in impressionable youth/etc.). Doesn't matter if the behavior is men to women, women to men or any other gender combination - their is much room for human improvement to widespread equality/diversity/respect.

And I’m all for criticizing platform holders for make the decision for the market instead of leaving it to the market to decide whether it’s worthwhile.

We criticized Nintendo 25 years ago when it forced censorship onto Mortal Kombat. The company decided that it knew what was better for the market than the market did. SEGA allowed the market a choice, by allowing a special code to enable the offensive content.

This is straight up worse, because the censorship here equates to denying the sale of the game for the PlayStation platform. No altering of content or options to unlock the offensive stuff here— just a flat “Nope!”

Where are these moral activists when violent games that include graphic murder come out? Why the double-standard? Killing is okay, but pickup artists are activist-worthy? Let’s see some social media and gaming press mobs take down the next GTA or CoD.

Oh, that’s right. They won’t.

 

[Majukun]

for what little i saw of the game,it looked pretty harmless, albeit a little misguided.

haven't played the ntire game though, so don't know if it has some other questionable content.

 

[WaterAstro]

And I’m all for criticizing platform holders for make the decision for the market instead of leaving it to the market to decide whether it’s worthwhile.

We criticized Nintendo 25 years ago when it forced censorship onto Mortal Kombat. The company decided that it knew what was better for the market than the market did. SEGA allowed the market a choice, by allowing a special code to enable the offensive content.

This is straight up worse, because the censorship here equates to denying the sale of the game for the PlayStation platform. No altering of content or options to unlock the offensive stuff here— just a flat “Nope!”

Where are these moral activists when violent games that include graphic murder come out? Why the double-standard? Killing is okay, but pickup artists are activist-worthy? Let’s see some social media and gaming press mobs take down the next GTA or CoD.

Oh, that’s right. They won’t.

Well, we don't have the entire story, right? All we have is Vice saying they have a source that told them that they blocked the game, but no one else is double checking. Motherboard definitely has an agenda, so I am skeptical about it.

I know how certification works through Sony, and Sony approves the design ideas in the early stages. There are also opportunities to get things checked out and tested before pressing it to gold, but things could slip and maybe last minute testing in Sony's Certification could have caused the delay. This isn't a big title, nor is it on store shelves, so it's not a big deal. Turnaround for resubmission for certification can be a week or two, but I was working for a big publisher which would have some favouritism.

 

[Arkage]

No, you simply dont understand what censorship is. Id try to explain again except it would fall on deaf ears, again.

And im surprised you can even think straight enought to type with that airplane flying over your head. Heck,you arent even grasping the concept of gatekeepers... you say that punk did well even with cassettes, fully missing that this was exactly my point, that cassettes were when we could first truly escape gate keepers in the music industry.

We never needed quality gatekeepers, and that you can see this in other industries that already went through these growing pains decades ago. You were the one defending quality control gatekeepers, remember?

You want so badly for everyone to fall in line with your views, and you are so sure you are just, that you wont even try to understand the very words you use. Enjoy your high horse.

I still dont even know what this game is about beyond its title, and i dont care. I see you up in arms about it, villifying it, and i dont care. It pixels and a pov, just like every other game. Maybe its good, maybe its trash, I do not care. But banning it from the storefront of the most popular console is textbook censorship, period. That you celebrate it and defend it as some sirt of quality control while pretending corporate censorship of a product you dont like is justified and a good [and therefore not censorship] as opposed to govt censorship, is laughable.

If you want to support removing products you hate from storefronts, by all means, do so. But own it. Understand you want to be the gatekeeper, understand that you are defending and supporting the role of the censor... because you and yours can view and judge safely, and then decide if others can handle it or not. Protect us, please.

You don't know what this game is about beyond its title? What if I told you this game had you playing as a Nazi pedophile pulling levers in a gas chamber to kill Jewish children? I assume you would still defend it in this exact way, since your argument apparently doesn't care about the content of the game, it only cares about whether someone is trying to censor something that is otherwise legal! So let's just imagine, from here on out, that your arguments are an attempt to defend that kind of game, since you keep pretending that the content is irrelevant.

In any case, the only meaning to be found is that Sony will 1) lose no money and 2) win a small PR victory. If you want Sony to keep this game on their platform, show to them it has monetary value worth the cost of the bad publicity. Here's a hint: it won't because it's a shit game. Banning the game is "good" and "justified" for Sony, as a company that wants to make money by having a positive public image. Sorry if that offends your purist sensibilities, but that's how public companies operate - by having fairly strict guidelines and cultural norms to make their image most appealing toward their user base. Sony also doesn't allow AO games on their storefront - CENSORSHIP!!! Cue my eye roll. And your continued refusal to understand the significant difference between a company rejecting a product (which allows it to exist in other places), and the government banning a product (which doesn't allow it to exist in other places), is continually amazing. It's a free market: go to the place that allows your product if you want that product so badly.

And for the second (and hopefully last) time, I'm not removing anything from a store front, I'm not censoring anything, I'm not protecting anyone from anything. It's hilarious you think I'm the CEO of Sony. I defend the "role of the censor" because I defend a company's right to do whatever the fuck the want with their own storefront, especially if it's in their best interest, which this decision clearly was.

Hahahaha. Oh wait, you were being serious. Let me laugh even harder.

Sorry, but I don't have the time to meticulously comb threads for all the times the "other place" has warned or banned extreme leftists. All I can say is that, anecdotally, I've seen warnings and bans given to leftists fairly frequently when they get absurd, and the bans and warnings I do see are pretty well justified all around. The leftists probably have their own collection of "Look at how unfair this place is!" imgur screengrabs for all I know. As I've said, I've done a good amount of pushback on liberal positions there already and have yet to get a single warning or ban - but I'm also careful to word my arguments in meaningful, honest ways. Most of the screengrabs I see in your link are poorly phrased, edgelord level commentary, typically with multiple warnings already on their account. Color me unimpressed.

 

[pkmaximum]

Looks like they need to work on seducing the people that allow their game on the store

 

[Link1110]

You don't know what this game is about beyond its title? What if I told you this game had you playing as a Nazi pedophile pulling levers in a gas chamber to kill Jewish children? I assume you would still defend it in this exact way, since your argument apparently doesn't care about the content of the game, it only cares about whether someone is trying to censor something that is otherwise legal! So let's just imagine, from here on out, that your arguments are an attempt to defend that kind of game, since you keep pretending that the content is irrelevant.

You MIGHT want to look up the definition of strawman argument because I'm pretty sure that last sentence is the textbook definition.

 

[pachura]

Remember when Nintendo banned Binding of Isaac from eShop due to "religious content"?
Fortunately, they've changed they mind...

 

[Deleted member 738645]

How did VICE pressure Sony? What did they do?

What's the 'bad kind', though? The one where guys want to have sex with a girl?

The kind of flirting where you slap someone on their ass?

 

[Dunki]

How did VICE pressure Sony? What did they do?



The kind of flirting where you slap someone on their ass?

Constant questioning or pestering Sony about the game. But according to Jim there was also a women at Sony who felt offended by the game as well. So the pressure was on both.

And no. Something like this is a failure and he calls you a creep, disgusting etc. Foremost it teaches you to beahave and be respectful.

 

[Deleted member 738645]

Constant questioning or pestering Sony about the game. But according to Jim there was also a women at Sony who felt offended by the game as well. So the pressure was on both.

And no. Something like this is a failure and he calls you a creep, disgusting etc. Foremost it teaches you to beahave and be respectful.

Im out of the loop on this one so I need more info.

Did they tweet to Sony? Publish tons of articles demanding/pestering Sony to not publish the game?

 

[Dunki]

Im out of the loop on this one so I need more info.

Did they tweet to Sony? Publish tons of articles demanding/pestering Sony to not publish the game?

As far as we know they have contacted Sony over and over again to get a statement from them. Again this is something people can sadly not proof

 

[Deleted member 738645]

As far as we know they have contacted Sony over and over again to get a statement from them. Again this is something people can sadly not proof

So the premise of the thread are rumors and things people can't prove, so people criticize Vice on something that is not documentable?

 

[KevinKeene]

The kind of flirting where you slap someone on their ass?

Pretty sure lots of girls like that. And it takes a lot of courage to do it. Although I personally wouldn't do it.

 

[Deleted member 738645]

Pretty sure lots of girls like that. And it takes a lot of courage to do it. Although I personally wouldn't do it.

You are pretty sure? Have you asked girls if they liked it or do you just "sense" they liked it?

If you have asked a girl if they liked being slap then go for it. But just slapping a girl because you think they might like it is creepy, shitty and harassing cause they might take offense at you slapping their ass.

 

[KevinKeene]

You are pretty sure? Have you asked girls if they liked it or do you just "sense" they liked it?

If you have asked a girl if they liked being slap then go for it. But just slapping a girl because you think they might like it is creepy, shitty and harassing cause they might take offense at you slapping their ass.

It's a situational thing, you know that. And chances are most girls won't like it. In which case they're free to give the guy a pass. It's rather simple.

 

[Dunki]

Pretty sure lots of girls like that. And it takes a lot of courage to do it. Although I personally wouldn't do it.

In a relationship yeah but not when you just met each other. And I also would call this something like sexual harassment.

 

[Basoes]

In a relationship yeah but not when you just met each other. And I also would call this something like sexual harassment.

Or assault if there's no consent

 

[Deleted member 738645]

It's a situational thing, you know that. And chances are most girls won't like it. In which case they're free to give the guy a pass. It's rather simple.

It's a situational thing wherever you are in a relationship or not. If you are in a consentual relationship then it's okay. Slapping a woman or man on their ass who you just met is not okay and is harassment.

 

[KevinKeene]

It's a situational thing wherever you are in a relationship or not. If you are in a consentual relationship then it's okay. Slapping a woman or man on their ass who you just met is not okay and is harassment.

Disagree. I think of how I myself would like to be treated. And I'd feel complimented if a girl slapped my ass.

But this is a non-sequitur discussion right now as I myself would never do it.

 

[Deleted member 738645]

Disagree. I think of how I myself would like to be treated. And I'd feel complimented if a girl slapped my ass.

Wtf. This is some really creepy ass shitty logic.

So if I feel like it's oaky if I someone quickly grabbed my crotch, is it okay for me to quickly grab someones elses crotch?

 

[KevinKeene]

Wtf. This is some really creepy ass shitty logic.

So if I feel like it's oaky if I someone quickly grabbed my crotch, is it okay for me to quickly grab someones elses crotch?

Why not make an ad hitlerium while you're at it?

People survive being ass-slapped. Stop making it sound like rape.

 

[Deleted member 738645]

Why not make an ad hitlerium while you're at it?

People survive being ass-slapped. Stop making it sound like rape.

People should not be ass slapped unless you know them.

Rape? Really? This took a turn.

Im saying that slapping someones ass you just met is not okay and is harassment because they might take offense sounds like rape?

Hitler too?

Damn.

If you are gonna throw Hitler and rape out here in a discussion wherever it's okay to slap someones you just met then I have no interest in having this discussion with you.

 

[Dunki]

Why not make an ad hitlerium while you're at it?

People survive being ass-slapped. Stop making it sound like rape.

I also an survive with being beaten up still it is a crime to beat people up. This Argumentation is pretty weak to be honest. You just do not slap unkown people period.

 

[TannerDemoz]

Lol, didn't wanna chime in again but...

Pretty sure lots of girls like that. And it takes a lot of courage to do it. Although I personally wouldn't do it.

How is it courageous to slap someone on the ass?! Courageous, because it's probably an insanely idiot thing to do.

It's a situational thing, you know that. And chances are most girls won't like it. In which case they're free to give the guy a pass. It's rather simple.

So, most girls don't like it? Or do like it? And 'they're free to give the guy a pass'?

Do you talk to girls?

Like, this is the issue. It's views like this. I'm reading this to my girlfriend now and she's howling at how this thread is playing out. It's that level of self entitlement and the view that it's okay to harass people and if they don't like it, well, they can just walk away, right?

Girls get so much shit for saying 'no' to guys as a result of the belief that it's okay to harass them. I've had mates who have been called sluts, slags, bitches, whatever, for telling a guy to fuck off after they've been slapped on the ass/ groped/ grabbed.

Put yourself in a woman's shoes, please, for one second. Imagine going for nights out with your mates – be it a club, bar, or even just out around town – knowing that there's a very real chance that you're gonna get hit on. Maybe once, twice, numerous times throughout the night. You're not interested. All you want to do is chill with your friends. Guy slaps your arse, you tell him to move on, you get shouted down because of it. Happens again. This isn't uncommon – it's seriously SO common. All of my girl mates have had it happen so I can't stress enough that the idea of thinking it's okay to 1) slap someone's ass or 2) most women 'probably like it is abhorrent.

This thread is getting seriously derailed now, surprised I've not seen any mods here yet.

 

[LegendOfKage]

There's a reason why even the game we're talking about says not to slap a woman's ass. It's quite literally assault.

 

[KevinKeene]

Dunki, we can agree that there's a difference between an ass slap and being beaten up as wide as the Gulf of Earth-Sun, can't we?

Lol, didn't wanna chime in again but...



How is it courageous to slap someone on the ass?! Courageous, because it's probably an insanely idiot thing to do.



So, most girls don't like it? Or do like it? And 'they're free to give the guy a pass'?

Do you talk to girls?

Like, this is the issue. It's views like this. I'm reading this to my girlfriend now and she's howling at how this thread is playing out. It's that level of self entitlement and the view that it's okay to harass people and if they don't like it, well, they can just walk away, right?

Girls get so much shit for saying 'no' to guys as a result of the belief that it's okay to harass them. I've had mates who have been called sluts, slags, bitches, whatever, for telling a guy to fuck off after they've been slapped on the ass/ groped/ grabbed.

Put yourself in a woman's shoes, please, for one second. Imagine going for nights out with your mates – be it a club, bar, or even just out around town – knowing that there's a very real chance that you're gonna get hit on. Maybe once, twice, numerous times throughout the night. You're not interested. All you want to do is chill with your friends. Guy slaps your arse, you tell him to move on, you get shouted down because of it. Happens again. This isn't uncommon – it's seriously SO common. All of my girl mates have had it happen so I can't stress enough that the idea of thinking it's okay to 1) slap someone's ass or 2) most women 'probably like it is abhorrent.

This thread is getting seriously derailed now, surprised I've not seen any mods here yet.

And did I at any point condone the behavior you described? No. I think a simple ass slap isn't the world's end. That is all. If a girl then tells you to leave her alone and you start calling her names, you're an asshole, agreed.

Again: I wouldn't do it myself. But I also cannot see it be a heinous crime, either. Your argument of 'imagine a girl getting hit on numerous times a night ...', well, can you imagine being a guy never getting hit on for a whole night? I'd trade placed instantly.

 

[WaterAstro]

Pretty sure lots of girls like that. And it takes a lot of courage to do it. Although I personally wouldn't do it.

Naaah, you would have to get the girl to sign an agreement before you slap her ass. lol

 

[Dunki]

Dunki, we can agree that there's a difference between an ass slap and being beaten up as wide as the Gulf of Earth-Sun, can't we?



And did I at any point condone the behavior you described? No. I think a simple ass slap isn't the world's end. That is all. If a girl then tells you to leave her alone and you start calling her names, you're an asshole, agreed.

Again: I wouldn't do it myself. But I also cannot see it be a heinous crime, either. Your argument of 'imagine a girl getting hit on numerous times a night ...', well, can you imagine being a guy never getting hit on for a whole night? I'd trade placed instantly.

You said it does not kill anyone. So I made another example. Both are against the la if you want it or not. You just do not touch people in such a way you dod not know.