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[Deleted member 713885]

So..


White dude drops the N bomb.
Black dude sucker punches him.
He fall on to tracks.

Progressives/Leftist/African Americans celebrate.
So, heres where I get it..and where I am confused.

Firstly, off the bat calling some body a nigger is never cool. We got that.
But, if this guy did touch the third rail/get hit by train is that ok? Cause it seems like it is to people who have viewed the video.
Basically, if you drop the N bomb..death is fitting and justified.

Heres a go between on twitter between the uploader and a commenter.

Not defending this racist behavior, but what if that guy was killed by the blow or getting hit by a train? Does he deserve to die for that?​

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TBH I don't think our social climate is in any condition to worry about that. It would have been tragic in the sense that all he had to do was not be a racist dickhead. But if the government wont stop it, they are going to learn some brutal lessons.​

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This sentiment was echo'd

So, regardless we all know calling anybody a slur is HORRIBLE.

Does this mean that now a white person using the term allows for vigilante murder?
Do ethnic slurs also allow for parties to attack a person with no repercussions.
I.e. if I call a black guy a nigger..is it legal for me to be murdered/beaten in a "self defense" type of way?

Can we now beat and or murder people over words?

 

[Forthefuture]

I dont think anybody was advocating for murder in that conversation. And we already have laws in effect to punish physical assault

 

[ic3cait]

I see no problem with this as long as it's okay for me to string up any non-white, or white liberal, who offends me. If that isn't okay, then that black man needs to be charged with attempted murder.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

im sometimes cool with street justice. im not saying its right in any way but sometimes people really do need to learn a lesson. in the way that the dude who said that shit got laid out for it the dude who did the laying out can face some kind of legal repercussions because you cant just go around knocking people out because you are a little bitch who is sensitive. also people on twitter have no say in any kind of matter like this.

 

[Gander]

There is this persistent general theory but usually held by males that "I have the right to be an asshole and no harm will come to me"

YOU DON'T have the right to be an asshole. Now what are you going to do with that knowledge? Are you going to live better?

 

[5secondrulesucks]

YOU DON'T have the right to be an asshole.

yes i do

 

[Deleted member 713885]

There is this persistent general theory but usually held by males that "I have the right to be an asshole and no harm will come to me"

YOU DON'T have the right to be an asshole. Now what are you going to do with that knowledge? Are you going to live better?

I dont know. Once I became an adult, and also a father I realized physical confrontation can and could lead me to being Incarcerated and or sued.

So, aside from an physical harm I feel no part of me, as a civilized adult, would ever strike another person over words.

A single punch could lead to jail, perhaps kill the person or give them trauma and/or I could lose my home, job, money etc..

 

[Gander]

yes i do

This is good because here lies exposed the core of the problem. If you look at the definition and behavior of an asshole it's someone who infringes on someone's else rights and well being for their amusement or benefit. With child like ignorance they expect to do this with no repercussions.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

This is good because here lies exposed the core of the problem. If you look at the definition and behavior of an asshole it's someone who infringes on someone's else rights and well being for their amusement or benefit. With child like ignorance they expect to do this with no repercussions.

guys words are violence

 

[Deleted member 713885]

This is good because here lies exposed the core of the problem. If you look at the definition and behavior of an asshole it's someone who infringes on someone's else rights and well being for their amusement or benefit. With child like ignorance they expect to do this with no repercussions.

Which repercussions are worth it?
The joy of physically attacking some one.
The loss of your freedom and/or financial well being.

You would roll that dice? Have the immediate joy of harming an asshole just to risk it all?

 

[Deleted member 713885]

guys words are violence

What and which words do we classify as violence?
Is their a list?
Who and what dictates what words are acceptable to use violence against?

As a white guy can I add Nazi to the list? Cause I cant think of a more violent group to be called part of.

 

[Gander]

Replace the word asshole with bully and frankly they are usually one in the same. Do you still look the other way and let that asshole/bully do what they want?

 

[Corrik]

The man is wrong for the racial slur. Did he deserve to be punched? That is up to you. I would say that if you think so that you need to be okay with dealing with the consequences of breaking the law to do so.

It is not justified by the law to physically assault the person and should be punished by law.

 

[Dunki]

This is good because here lies exposed the core of the problem. If you look at the definition and behavior of an asshole it's someone who infringes on someone's else rights and well being for their amusement or benefit. With child like ignorance they expect to do this with no repercussions.

asshole noun [ C ] (UNPLEASANT PERSON)
Yes you have every right do be an asshole. The problem starts when you are getting violent. And the only real asshole I have seen was the black guy suckkerpunchig the man He should rot in Jail for the rest of his life for attempted murder.

If words causes you to act in that way you are not able to live in the free world.

Unfortunate no train was coming.

Call me a nigger .. your life will be in immediate danger

"HAHA to bad he did not die"

This this really some dihusting shit.

 

[Gander]

The man is wrong for the racial slur. Did he deserve to be punched? That is up to you. I would say that if you think so that you need to be okay with dealing with the consequences of breaking the law to do so.

It is not justified by the law to physically assault the person and should be punished by law.

Actually the fighting word doctrine protects you from that. It's considered a word so vulgar you are being provoked to violence.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

What and which words do we classify as violence?
Is their a list?
Who and what dictates what words are acceptable to use violence against?

As a white guy can I add Nazi to the list? Cause I cant think of a more violent group to be called part of.

all words and twitter decides

 

[Dunki]

Actually the fighting word doctrine protects you from that. It's considered a word so vulgar you are being provoked to violence.

I googled this and this only goes for policemen?

http://via.library.depaul.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2867&context=law-review

 

[Corrik]

Actually the fighting word doctrine protects you from that. It's considered a word so vulgar you are being provoked to violence.

I am 99% sure you are wrong on that.

Like, there is some things that if said, may provoke a reaction from me. But, I do so prepared to deal with the consequences if I choose to do that.

 

[Dunki]

Also this is for threats of violence. So NO Nigger does not fall into this.

If he had said " Nigger I am gonna kill you" maybe the he had a case

https://www.thefire.org/misconceptions-about-the-fighting-words-exception/

 

[Deleted member 713885]

Unfortunate no train was coming.

Call me a nigger .. your life will be in immediate danger

Hmm, that's interesting. So, what your saying is a single word from an asshole is enough to destroy your life.
Like, one interaction gone wrong, and yes,
you will have a momentary victory and feel vindicated, but you will throw everything away. Your freedom, your future, your finances etc..

If I was the asshole in this video I would make sure the guy throwing the punch was charged for attempted murder then I'd concoct a few medical ailments so I could sue him so hard his children's children would still be paying me when hes dead and gone

 

[Gander]

Also this is for threats of violence. So NO Nigger does not fall into this.

If he had said " Nigger I am gonna kill you" maybe the he had a case

https://www.thefire.org/misconceptions-about-the-fighting-words-exception/

Well if you expect to throw the N word around there can't be any peace. Understood.

 

[Corrik]

It is not attempted murder.

It is borderline aggravated assault as he continues to hit him and shows no remorse.

Thus probably an aggravated assault charge. Maybe pleable to simple, but definitely not attempted murder.

 

[Dunki]

Hmm, that's interesting. So, what your saying is a single word from an asshole is enough to destroy your life.
Like, one interaction gone wrong, and yes,
you will have a momentary victory and feel vindicated, but you will throw everything away. Your freedom, your future, your finances etc..

If I was the asshole in this video I would make sure the guy throwing the punch was charged for attempted murder then I'd concoct a few medical ailments so I could sue him so hard his children's children would still be paying me when hes dead and gone

He porbbly also things that this is a fighting word and therefore justfied. Which spoiler it is not.

Well if you expect to throw the N word around there can't be any peace. Understood.

I would love for you to try to argue this in court you would lose so badly. They had a verbal fight? words have exchanged on both sides. AGain if he said I gonna fucking kill you. You would have at least a chance. This time you have not. And last time i looked this word is not illegal as well. So....

 

[Gander]

This is the divide in America.

The right believe they have the right to infringe on other peoples rights and well being.

The left doesn't agree.

 

[Dunki]

This is the divide in America.

The right believe they have the right to infringe on other peoples rights and well being.

The left doesn't agree.

You infringe the peoples rights and well being by Saying stupid shit? really? really?

what is with his right to not get fucking murdered.? The acrobatics here are really something.

 

[Deleted member 713885]

If I see a group of random white kids dressed like Lil Pump at the mall saying
"Ayo, nigga pass the auntie annes"

Can I beat the living shit out of them? Or is this just a black thing?

 

[Gander]

What is about racists? they are so rights, rights, rights when it comes their guns but they don't want honor anybody else's rights.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

This is the divide in America.

The right believe they have the right to infringe on other peoples rights and well being.

The left doesn't agree.

lmao why does this always get turned into some kind of ideology left wing right ring bullshit discussion. sometimes people get popped in the mouth for saying stupid shit and sometimes others keep it too real and end up in jail

 

[Vicetrailia]

Don't start none, won't be none.

It would have been tragic if he died, and the puncher would get charged, but it's nowhere near that situation.

I think legally it's definitely not legal, so you're taking on a huge risk punching someone over such provocation.

 

[Corrik]

I am a conservative. If a grown up says something bad to my child that I think goes too far, I would probably punch them.

I could really care less what someone says about me.

I do so knowing there is consequences for my actions.

There are things that can drive you to act. It doesn't make you above the law though.

 

[Dunki]

What is about racists? they are so rights, rights, rights when it comes their guns but they don't want honor anybody else's rights.

So what does this have to do with this case? The police officer should have told the men to step away and not harass the women and he should be punished because of this. So what is your comparision to justify violence which could have kiulled the guy? He just needed to fall down and then a train comes in. DONE.

Is she allowed to wear this shirt? Well duh . Of course. Is he allowed to say I do not like it? Yes of course. Is he allowed to do this constantly? No that is what we call harassment.

 

[Deleted member 713885]

What is about racists? they are so rights, rights, rights when it comes their guns but they don't want honor anybody else's rights.

Cop is an absolute disgrace, not gonna argue that.

Been I that situation before, not racial wise, but the classic alcoholic at the park looking to start trouble. Racist drunk white trash old guys in the park isnt a some new part of "Trumps America"

Cop should have handled it.

 

[Gander]

It's practically the same scenario only nobody is there to defend that woman.

 

[Dunki]

It's practically the same scenario only nobody is there to defend that woman.

WHAT?
NO it is not. OMG What the hell are we doing here? Kindergarten law?

How is this the same? The cop also would not have suckerpunched the man. This guy who was suckerpunched already went in the way of going. The situation was going to clear. he was frustrated with this situation of retreat and argonized the guy. The guy flipped and suckerpunched him.

 

[BraveOne]

Hmm, that's interesting. So, what your saying is a single word from an asshole is enough to destroy your life.
Like, one interaction gone wrong, and yes,
you will have a momentary victory and feel vindicated, but you will throw everything away. Your freedom, your future, your finances etc..

If I was the asshole in this video I would make sure the guy throwing the punch was charged for attempted murder then I'd concoct a few medical ailments so I could sue him so hard his children's children would still be paying me when hes dead and gone

So what .. sometimes you need to teach assholes a lesson . If no camears where around I'd beat your ass into the ground . But your white so you won't really understand why saying that word to any black person is asking for a punch in the face

 

[Gander]

Let me ask you this if a black man walked up to a white woman in threatening way shouting at her, regardless of what he called her would that be enough to defend her?

 

[Dunki]

So what .. sometimes you need to teach assholes a lesson . If no camears where around I'd beat your ass into the ground . But your white so you won't really understand why saying that word to any black person is asking for a punch in the face

your whites

I see we have a racist person here. And yeah No you do not have to use violence. Use your Brain if you have one.

Let me ask you this if a black man walked up to a white woman in threatening way shouting at her, regardless of what he called her would that be enough to defend her?

NOT with violence. Violence is for self defence. If you would stop the person and he goes to attack you than it is self defense if he just calls you names you have NO right to be violent.

 

[Deleted member 713885]

It's practically the same scenario only nobody is there to defend that woman.

That cop was their and he failed do his job. Same way if one was in the metro station one should have deescalated the situation and told the men to move on.

If in any situation words are used against me and my love ones...I would move on if their was no authority to intervene. I wanna go home to my girl and kids. I wanna live cause who's to say they dont have a weapon.

If me are my love ones are touched, then hes I will take action.
No adult is gonna think less of you for not risking your life over words. No woman is gonna look down on you for being less of a man if you dont 'defend her honor' over words. If shes a good woman she will be happy your alive, paying the bills, and keeping her warm at night.
Your kids will also be a lot happier daddy isnt locked up or trying to buy xmas presents after he loss a $3 million lawsuit over a punch he decided to throw.

 

[Jon Neu]

There is this persistent general theory but usually held by males that "I have the right to be an asshole and no harm will come to me"

YOU DON'T have the right to be an asshole. Now what are you going to do with that knowledge? Are you going to live better?

Usually held by males?

I would say quite the opposite, males know that if you talk shit in the street, you can get a physical confrontation.

Are women usually the ones that think they can be assholes and get away with it because they are sacred and nobody is going to dare to get physical with them.

 

[Deleted member 713885]

Let me ask you this if a black man walked up to a white woman in threatening way shouting at her, regardless of what he called her would that be enough to defend her?

Stand between them, tell the lady to leave and/or call police.
If he physical with her and/or ne then yes escalate it to returned violence.

I cant think of an instance where words would force me to strike another person.

 

[BraveOne]

your whites

I see we have a racist person here. And yeah No you do not have to use violence. Use your Brain if you have one.

Someone that is willing to call you a nigger on the street is asking for violence regardless of the situation. But hey if you want to buy them a cup of coffee from Starbucks and sit over a table and discuss racial rethoric with them .. be my guest.

 

[Dunki]

Someone that is willing to call you a nigger on the street is asking for violence regardless of the situation. But hey if you want to buy them a cup of coffee from Starbucks and sit over a table and discuss racial rethoric with them .. be my guest.

I would just ignore them. But again if you want to destroy your own life and your family if you have one be my guest. If you only can think of violence you should not be held free in our society. The only ones I pitty and have empathy with are your loved ones who also have to suffer from it.

 

[BraveOne]

I would just ignore them. But again if you want to destroy your own life and your family if you have one be my guest. If you only can think of violence you should not be held free in our society. The only ones I pitty and have empathy with are your loved ones who also have to suffer from it.

Nah they would do the same. Gotta teach a racist a lesson.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Nah they would do the same. Gotta teach a racist a lesson.

Indeed.

But it is a risk because legally it's not protected.

But then again I don't know how it would actually be handled if someone brought charges, could vary a lot.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

So what .. sometimes you need to teach assholes a lesson . If no camears where around I'd beat your ass into the ground . But your white so you won't really understand why saying that word to any black person is asking for a punch in the face

i can tell you guys now this guy has never been in a fight in his life

 

[Deleted member 713885]

Nah they would do the same. Gotta teach a racist a lesson.

Hmm, that's intresting.

Like, all of you at the same time? I've seen those types of videos on WSHH, the group attack method.
Lots of titty popping out attacks and timbo to the heads.

Seems barbaric, but effective.
I cant imagine my love ones initiating in one tho lol

 

[Gander]

I would just ignore them. But again if you want to destroy your own life and your family if you have one be my guest. If you only can think of violence you should not be held free in our society. The only ones I pitty and have empathy with are your loved ones who also have to suffer from it.

What your saying is we need to allow full reign to hate speech and aggressive behavior usually from the right let's just be honest. Somehow you conclude it's left leaning people holding the country back? It's not Trump and police brutality dividing the country, it's Black Lives Matter?

You can't have it both ways, you can't say yes our side is full of trouble making shit starting assholes and blame the divide in our country on the other side.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

omg guys what if there is an individual who can not only make fun of you, BUT beat you up as well

 

[Jesus Carbomb]

I applaud this fine gentleman for removing his freshly pressed chambray oxford before putting Mr. Racist to sleep. No piece of shit is worth ripping your best shirt over.

 

[KevinKeene]

Words don't justfy violence. Why is this so difficult for some people?