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[KellyM]

As for the topic I think it was silly for people to get upset at the company. Then again the same would happen if they had used Me too. Somethings you learn NOT to do.

 

[KellyM]

At least you went with 'biased' as opposed to 'hate'. I mean, it's still utterly baseless bullshit and you have zero evidence to support it, but I appreciate the gesture.

EDIT eek

I call them as I see them. Especially with Luke who attacked someone on this subject matter when they proved they knew more than him. They wouldn't play his game. He was then removed from the thread for his actions to the person. I wouldn't say someone hated someone for their ideas. Bias based on life, religion and learning yes but not hate.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

I call them as I see them. Especially with Luke who attacked someone on this subject matter when they proved they knew more than him. They wouldn't play his game.

Believing the trans thing is a result of mental illness does not equal "I am biased against" or "I hate trans people". That's lazy and insulting.

I have zero issue with trans people or their right to do whatever they like. Just don't expect me to agree with their reasoning. That's my right.

 

[LukeSkywater]

I call them as I see them. Especially with Luke who attacked someone on this subject matter when they proved they knew more than him. They wouldn't play his game. He was then removed from the thread for his actions to the person. I wouldn't say someone hated someone for their ideas. Bias based on life, religion and learning yes but not hate.

I'm still here. And you know nothing about me. I state facts, I don't hate anyone. Also I'm a bisexual male....Not that it's any of your business. I refuse to let people like you spout your nonsense as if it were facts. Please seek therapy for your anger.

 

[KellyM]

Believing the trans thing is a result of mental illness does not equal "I am biased against" or "I hate trans people". That's lazy and insulting.

I have zero issue with trans people or their right to do whatever they like. Just don't expect me to agree with their reasoning. That's my right.

But it has been since proven that it is NOT a mental Illness. That it is a part of the biology of their brain. We are all born female when born. The brain might not have gotten the testerome or estrogen so it created the situation. Like how intersex are made. people born with both sexual parts. It not a mental illness like bi polar. Remember that at one time being gay was a mental illness. I will admit I am sensitive on this subject since I have transgender friends and I see what they go through with people.

 

[KellyM]

I'm still here. And you know nothing about me. I state facts, I don't hate anyone. Also I'm a bisexual male....Not that it's any of your business. I refuse to let people like you spout your nonsense as if it were facts. Please seek therapy for your anger.

I say facts too. I back them up unlike you. I too refuse to be bullied by people like you. I am a demisexual woman who have good transgender friends. ( look it up) Maybe you should seek therapy for always trying to think he is right. Most have something to do with the ego.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

But it has been since proven that it is NOT a mental Illness. That it is a part of the biology of their brain. We are all born female when born. The brain might not have gotten the testerome or estrogen so it created the situation. Like how intersex are made. people born with both sexual parts. It not a mental illness like bi polar. Remember that at one time being gay was a mental illness. I will admit I am sensitive on this subject since I have transgender friends and I see what they go through with people.

No, it hasn't. Unless you're telling me that the WHO speaks for every expert in the world. Hint: they don't.

Regardless, we aren't going to agree on this so I'm going to stop derailing the thread.

 

[RoboFu]

To want to reform your body in any way be it sex change or boob job does mean you are mentally distressed in some fashion.

I don’t think I would called it an illness, but it is some form mental reasoning / acceptance with ones mental self.

 

[LukeSkywater]

I say facts too. I back them up unlike you. I too refuse to be bullied by people like you. Maybe you should seek therapy for always trying to think he is right. Most have something to do with the ego.

You have backed up nothing, you seem to be hateful person with an agenda to push. I hope you do get help someday. I refuse to argue any longer with someone who clearly has issues.

 

[KellyM]

No, it hasn't. Unless you're telling me that the WHO speaks for every expert in the world. Hint: they don't.

Regardless, we aren't going to agree on this so I'm going to stop derailing the thread.

Posted links to articles with shows there is now research on the subject matter.

 

[Mod of War]

What is the manner of this post?

Return to it's constructive form, 'nuff with the back and forth insults.

 

[KellyM]

You have backed up nothing, you seem to be hateful person with an agenda to push. I hope you do get help someday. I refuse to argue any longer with someone who clearly has issues.

Yes, I have backed things with articles I posted from reliable sources. Hateful that would be like you calling the kettle black. All I have seen from your posts is hate. But back on topic.

 

[Thiagosc777]

Once again being transgender is NOT a mental disorder, It is the structure of the brain how they were born that makes them feel the way they do.

This very conversation is the reason your argument is false. If science was capable of identifying "structures" in the brain relating to gender, then a simple exam would be able to determine someone's gender. There'd be no need for activism or ideology, it'd be as simple as a blood type test.

Do you see people arguing back and forth online about blood types? Neither do I.

 

[KellyM]

This very conversation is the reason your argument is false. If science was capable of identifying "structures" in the brain relating to gender, then a simple exam would be able to determine someone's gender. There'd be no need for activism or ideology, it'd be as simple as a blood type test.

Do you see people arguing back and forth online about blood types? Neither do I.

Well they have found that both men and woman have different brain patterns that they use different parts of the brain in the chemistry. They have now found that transgender follows the pattern of the gender they identified with. So research is on going. As I said being gay was thought to be a mental illness and is not. but let's get off this subject and back on a gaming one.

 

[Thiagosc777]

So research is on going.

Ok, so when research is finished we can change definitions. Until then it is two genders.

 

[LukeSkywater]

Ok, so when research is finished we can change definitions. Until then it is two genders.

Fucking magnets, how do they work? Lol

 

[KellyM]

Ok, so when research is finished we can change definitions. Until then it is two genders.

Tell that to the native Americans and the Jewish people.
https://www.elitereaders.com/native-americans-five-genders/

https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/37225?lang=bi

 

[thief183]

Yes, I have backed things with articles I posted from reliable sources. Hateful that would be like you calling the kettle black. All I have seen from your posts is hate. But back on topic.

I don't get why admitting that having a brain of a man in a body of a woman (or viceversa) is mental ill is a problem. There are a lot of mental problems that ppl recognize and live with it without forcing other ppl to accept it.

That is absolutely not the point of the discussion, everything should gravitate around respect.

I'll try to make an example (I know is not the same but as a non english specker I need to simplify) , I soffer of anxiety, I know that, it is not a problem (well it is but not in the way we are talking now ) when I speack to other ppl I don't feel the need to be anxiety accepted as a "not mental ill". As far as ppl respect me I show respect for them.

 

[LukeSkywater]

I don't get why admitting that having a brain of a man in a body of a woman (or viceversa) is mental ill is a problem. There are a lot of mental problems that ppl recognize and live with it without forcing other ppl to accept it.

That is absolutely not the point of the discussion, everything should gravitate around respect.

I'll try to make an example (I know is not the same but as a non english specker I need to simplify) , I soffer of anxiety, I know that, it is not a problem (well it is but not in the way we are talking now ) when I speack to other ppl I don't feel the need to be anxiety accepted as a "not mental ill". As far as ppl respect me I show respect for them.

Liberals do not have respect for anyone who has a different opinion than them. That's why they are bigots. Sad and hateful people. As a non English speaker, you got your point across very well.

 

[KellyM]

I don't get why admitting that having a brain of a man in a body of a woman (or viceversa) is mental ill is a problem. There are a lot of mental problems that ppl recognize and live with it without forcing other ppl to accept it.

That is absolutely not the point of the discussion, everything should gravitate around respect.

I'll try to make an example (I know is not the same but as a non english specker I need to simplify) , I soffer of anxiety, I know that, it is not a problem (well it is but not in the way we are talking now ) when I speak to other ppl I don't feel the need to be anxiety accepted as a "not mental ill". As far as ppl respect me I show respect for them.

Not sure where it is like you are. Here it is part of taking away people's rights. Like Trump, the administration is trying to do. As said I have friends who are transgender and I have seen how they are affected. Things like firing someone for being transgender or keeping them from adopting. sad. Imagine because you are different then what say some people want you to be you could lose your job or children. You could be denied health care. It not about the pronoun thing it about living the way you want and still being able to live day by day. Also to have laws to protect you from getting killed. Many look past transgender murders.

 

[Hendrick's]

But it has been since proven that it is NOT a mental Illness.

Not by legitimate unbiased science it hasn't. In fact, just the opposite.

 

[LukeSkywater]

Not by legitimate unbiased science it hasn't. In fact, just the opposite.

Never let facts get in the way of your hateful anti Trump agenda you feel compelled to push on a video game forum.

 

[KellyM]

Not by legitimate unbiased science it hasn't. In fact, just the opposite.

I disagree. Who to say the science it is biased.

 

[KellyM]

Never let facts get in the way of your hateful anti Trump agenda you feel compelled to push on a video game forum.

Same as you who are opposed to the opposite side with you snowflakes comments. ect. The thing luke you truth is biased too and based on your bias against the other side and people or ideas you dislike.

 

[Hendrick's]

I disagree. Who to say the science it is biased.

Disagree all you want, but the knowledge is out there if you choose to find it. Don't be naive and think that science, like everything else these days, isn't heavily politicized. I won't even argue that there may also be some physiological reasons for gender dysphoria in a small number of trans people, but it is still a predominantly psychological disorder. In either case, mutilation of ones body should always be the abosolute last resort for people suffering from this affliction. Sex reassignment surgery is factually causing more harm than good.

 

[LukeSkywater]

Same as you who are opposed to the opposite side with you snowflakes comments. ect. The thing luke you truth is biased too and based on your bias against the other side and people or ideas you dislike.

Please seek mental help.

 

[KellyM]

Disagree all you want, but the knowledge is out there if you choose to find it. Don't be naive and think that science, like everything else these days, isn't heavily poloticized. I won't even argue that there may also be some physiological reasons for gender dysphoria in a small number of trans people, but it is still a predominantly physiological disorder. In either case, mutilation of onse body should always be the abosolute last resort for people suffering from this affliction. Sex reassignment surgery is factually causing more harm than good.

Disagree. Then your view should be applied to all cosmetics surgery. NOT all transgender men or women have surgery, they do say it helps with the dysphoria. Think of it this way. someone lost a leg, should they be happy with the loss of the leg or get a replacement through surgery. That is how I think on it.

 

[KellyM]

Please seek mental help.

Same to you.

 

[Hendrick's]

Disagree. Then your view should be applied to all cosmetics surgery. NOT all transgender men or women have surgery, they do say it helps with the dysphoria. Think of it this way. someone lost a leg, should they be happy with the loss of the leg or get a replacement through surgery. That is how I think on it.

Except it's not just cosmetic and in many ways it is the opposite. Look up the suicide rates of those who go through that surgery, or those who regret it. Regardless, it is still a mental disorder, whether or not physiological influences exist or not and should be treated as such.

 

[KellyM]

Except it's not just cosmetic and in many ways it is the opposite. Look up the suicide rates of those who go through that surgery, or those who regret it. Regardless, it is still a mental disorder, whether or not physiological influences exist or not and should be treated as such.

Yes and the suicide rate goes down after surgery. Yes, I know all about the suicide rate. They all say though acceptance and tolerance from people helps. Many in the LGBT community are rejected by their own famalies that causes suicide. The surgery has shown to help reduce suicidal thoughts of the subject.

My take yes the grs and such are the same as other cosmetics surgery. It helps the individaul to be happier with them self. Just like if your wife had a boob job or facial surgery. Sometimes it is needed like with a person who has lost an arm or leg.
A lot of this is due to rejection and bullying.

• Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 24.1
• LGB youth seriously contemplate suicide at almost three times the rate of heterosexual youth.2
• LGB youth are almost five times as likely to have attempted suicide compared to heterosexual youth.2
• Of all the suicide attempts made by youth, LGB youth suicide attempts were almost five times as likely to require medical treatment than those of heterosexual youth.2
• Suicide attempts by LGB youth and questioning youth are 4 to 6 times more likely to result in injury, poisoning, or overdose that requires treatment from a doctor or nurse, compared to their straight peers.2
• In a national study, 40% of transgender adults reported having made a suicide attempt. 92% of these individuals reported having attempted suicide before the age of 25.3
• LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection.4
• 1 out of 6 students nationwide (grades 9–12) seriously considered suicide in the past year. [5]
• Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or abuse, increases the likelihood of self-harming behavior by 2.5 times on average.6

 

[Hendrick's]

Yes and the suicide rate goes down after surgery. Yes i know all about the suicide rate. They all say though acceptance and tolerance from people helps. Many in the LGBT community are rejected by their own famalies that causes suicide. The surgery has shown to help reduce suicidal thoughts of the subject.

I really don't care enough to keep this going, but one last point. If it is not a mental illness then what is it? A birth defect? A disease? Or is it just normal now? Biologically it makes zero sense to be trans.

 

[KellyM]

I really don't care enough to keep this going, but one last point. If it is not a mental illness then what is it? A birth defect? A disease? Or is it just normal now? Biologically it makes zero sense to be trans.

I would say closer to a birth defect. Think of it more like intersex babies. Intersex people are born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". It is something that can't be altered since it deals with the brain. Your think biologically only with the sex organs the brain overrides that.


Just a little about me. Unlike what Luke thinks I am not an SJW. I am just passionate about the subject. I was an overweight disabled ( eyes considered legally blind) woman. I was bullied bad and I found friends with some lesbians. There was one woman I liked. I later learned she was transgender, and I would have never guessed. I am demisexual so I find an attraction with bonding and she treated me better than most people. So I formed an emotional attachment to her. I after learned about being transgender. So I follow most studies. Some things I think people get upset at are silly. Like having sexy women in a video game. I being a bit chunky enjoy playing a woman who looks sexy. The outcry over the Japanese games is silly to me. I love Japanese made games and I see it as an art style.

 

[RoboFu]

Yes and the suicide rate goes down after surgery. Yes, I know all about the suicide rate. They all say though acceptance and tolerance from people helps. Many in the LGBT community are rejected by their own famalies that causes suicide. The surgery has shown to help reduce suicidal thoughts of the subject.

My take yes the grs and such are the same as other cosmetics surgery. It helps the individaul to be happier with them self. Just like if your wife had a boob job or facial surgery. Sometimes it is needed like with a person who has lost an arm or leg.
A lot of this is due to rejection and bullying.

• Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 24.1
• LGB youth seriously contemplate suicide at almost three times the rate of heterosexual youth.2
• LGB youth are almost five times as likely to have attempted suicide compared to heterosexual youth.2
• Of all the suicide attempts made by youth, LGB youth suicide attempts were almost five times as likely to require medical treatment than those of heterosexual youth.2
• Suicide attempts by LGB youth and questioning youth are 4 to 6 times more likely to result in injury, poisoning, or overdose that requires treatment from a doctor or nurse, compared to their straight peers.2
• In a national study, 40% of transgender adults reported having made a suicide attempt. 92% of these individuals reported having attempted suicide before the age of 25.3
• LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection.4
• 1 out of 6 students nationwide (grades 9–12) seriously considered suicide in the past year. [5]
• Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or abuse, increases the likelihood of self-harming behavior by 2.5 times on average.6

Ugh I hate these “ studies “ .
While I do think the premise is correct the sheer amount of non lgbt kids compared to lgbt makes these studies pointless.

Just say there is a high suicide rate in the lgbt community. Don’t compare it to the broad spectrum of everyone else. You can do that with any small defined group of kids and it will always have a higher average of suicide/death rate than the broad spectrum as a whole when the numbers are so lopsided.

The actual numbers of teen suicide isn’t even close using the same base groups. Even narrowing to Just suicide of kids being bullied as a whole is probably much greater.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

OK gone wildly off topic here.

@ KellyM - I've read through each of the last four pages and I'm giving you temporary leave of this thread. There are a few red flags, your love and citation of scinese science and refusal to engage. Your links reference the same study. A study that was carried out by the leader of the her own research group and is not without its own criticism and discrediting by Eli Erlick.

To everyone else can we focus on getting the thread back on track please.

 

[SleepySlippy]

This discussion is very instructive! To be honest, I didn't know shit about transgender before entering this thread (learned the existence of the hashtag by reading it).

Those saying that transgender is a mental illness and refute what WHO says: do you have contradictory scientific sources to support your point or is it your sheer reasoning and opinion?

Also, I think we should be very careful not to confound gender dysphoria and transgender.

 

[Clear]

I still don't get how a hashtag can be appropriated!

Any use of it effectively signal boosts everything that its attached to. Its just an aggregating marker after all.

Yet somehow what GoG did was tantamount to transphobia? Its just ludicrous.

 

[hariseldon]

Your brain and how you think is your personality, not your gender. As for differences in the brain... A brain tumor makes your brain look different too but we don't try to legitimise that as a normal state.

Complicating matters is the question of what is healthy. As others have alluded to, being gay was considered a mental illness. That it is now not is a product of social norms rather than science. Was science right before or right now? Fucked if I know.

On a related note, there are political movements among autistics (I'm autistic btw, hi) to stop it being treated as an illness. We're in a world where we're not even sure what constitutes illness anymore.

 

[Redneckerz]

I usually really like the way you moderate here and the nuance you try to bring to each discussions. And not only in this thread but in many others I happen to lurk or participate in. Always a pleasure to read and your work (and from the other mods) should be appreciated for what it is!

Thank you for the compliment though i am not a mod (Although i make semi-sarcastic allusions to one

If someone used the hashtag #metoo or #blacklivesmatter as a joke tagline in a sales pitch, that's absolutely making light of both of those movements, I don't understand how you cant see that. #wewontbeerased is really no different.

Hashtags aren't mutally exclusive and i know this from the mere fact a very small Dutch vlogger did something about metoo and it was completely harmless (And even before metoo i believe) so yeah.

That being said, it really does not make an etch of difference to be on the right side of history. That is like connecting yourself to a movement. Retroactively, historic facts may prove right or wrong. The best medicine against that is simply to use some common courtesy and sense.

And why are all these tweets being deleted shortly after posting? I mean, if its all in jest and not at all making light of these groups, why is GOG not backing up the social media account posting them? And instead apologizing and backpedaling?

Because these companies try in their mind to do the right thing - which is removing what offends people. The bad thing about this is that it fuels the idea that its never enough for this group of people and demand more and more - Not only a tweet needs to be removed, they should apologize. And if they do, it should be honest - When its nearly impossible to write a universal apology that will sit well with most people.

Everyone is free to take from these events what they want, but to me its pretty telling that the only "references" being put on their twitter feed time and time again seem to do with gamergate and / or transgender issues... Its not a good look

Now that implies bias if i ever saw one. Also why use ''Not a good look''? You know what it's used for, right? I could easily be outraged by that.

Oh OK maybe I'm wrong, I was under this impression. He will tell then.

Not a mod. Just a bot. Just a user.

Stepping in here for a moment to give a public warning and let you know I'm going to keep my eye on this thread personally. There's way too many insults being thrown around. I'm going to be a nice person and let some of this go as a warning, but do not do personal attacks.

You know what Kururu ? I think you laugh a lot.

And yes Era did remove the smoking gun by swepting it under rug. Now the doxx never existed. Very good. Very self righteous.

The original story by Ian was that a ERA mod doxxed people - AFAIK, this isn't the case. A Twitter user claimed to have doxxed, and the ERA mod endorsed these tweets. Thus, that does not mean ERA (Hecht) doxxed people, because he didn't, but he does allude to supporting it, unless i am missing something here.

I disagree. Who to say the science it is biased.

Personally i don't see trans as a mental defect - Even though if you play the technical game it is. I think merely saying it is a disorder can be insultive to actual trans people, even though it technically is correct.

Just a case of empathy here, i reckon.

 

[SleepySlippy]

I still don't get how a hashtag can be appropriated!

Yet somehow what GoG did was tantamount to transphobia? Its just ludicrous.

Those are the two reasons why GOG removing their tweet is a bad move. It gives credit to hashtag appropriation and to politically correct censorship.

 

[julio_grr]

Which makes them a male or female with a medically certified mental disorder. There are only two genders. Tranny is not one of them.

Transgender is not a new gender. Do you really understand the issue? Nobody is adding a new gender when saying there are people that do no identify as their birth sex.

Just don't expect me to agree with their reasoning.

Being transgender is not a reasoning.

I state facts

Since the beginning, you haven't.
1/ You must know there are more than just XX and XY right? Turner syndrome and Klinefelter syndrome, just to name a few. Intersex people do exist.
2/ Anyway, if we stick to male and female, then we do not need to add some new genders to accept transgender people. I hope you see this.
3/ I am French, by the way. Any person saying things like "There is no such thing as trans gender" in France would be laughed at and not taken seriously anymore.
So I did my homework and looked at the scientific consensus in the US and it is quite clear according to the American Psychiatric Association :
https://www.psychiatry.org/File Library/Psychiatrists/Practice/DSM/APA_DSM-5-Gender-Dysphoria.pdf
Quote:
"It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder."

it is still a predominantly psychological disorder. In either case

Are you a doctor? Can you back-up your claims? See above.

Look up the suicide rates of those who go through that surgery, or those who regret it.

Please provide numbers to back-up your claims as KellyM did.

If it is not a mental illness then what is it? A birth defect? A disease? Or is it just normal now? Biologically it makes zero sense to be trans.

Yes, you can do it! It makes as much sense as Bonobos being homosexual. Maybe it needs some more research in the field (probably). But could we just accept it before saying without respect that it does not exist or that it's a mental disorder?

 

[eot]

Personally i don't see trans as a mental defect - Even though if you play the technical game it is. I think merely saying it is a disorder can be insultive to actual trans people, even though it technically is correct.

Just a case of empathy here, i reckon.

I think it comes down to the pronoun thing for a lot of people, not about whether or not it actually is a disorder. If there is consensus that being trans isn't a mental disorder, then you would be more justified in making people use pronouns that reflect how a person identifies, regardless of their biology. If you say it is a mental disorder, then it doesn't make as much sense to call a transwoman who looks like a guy "she".

Personally I think that if someone wants to be called something then that's fine, if someone says they go by the name so and so then why wouldn't I call them that? At the same time, I don't think your inner self overrides biology. There are lots of things people call me that I don't identify as, but in a group your identity is how other people see you, not how you feel.

 

[Scopa]

The original story by Ian was that a ERA mod doxxed people - AFAIK, this isn't the case. A Twitter user claimed to have doxxed, and the ERA mod endorsed these tweets. Thus, that does not mean ERA (Hecht) doxxed people, because he didn't, but he does allude to supporting it, unless i am missing something here.

From what I have seen, the Twitter user thanked the Era mod for providing the doxxing information and the Era mod liked the Tweet, therefore confirming it. The original Tweet has since been deleted, but there are screen captures out there.

That’s how I understand it anyway, but I came across it by accident and didn’t try to remember the details exactly.

 

[michaelius]

Those are the two reasons why GOG removing their tweet is a bad move. It gives credit to hashtag appropriation and to politically correct censorship.

They were in a situation with no good options.

Alternatives were :

- full surrender to era crazies - making big apologies, donations and sacrificing one of their own - but this would have pissed substantial part of their base
- ignore outrage completely - this would paint target on the whole CDP group resulting in tons of bad press in the media (remember that for example Eurogamer spent half of their interview about Cyberpunk asking what gender options are in game)
So they chosen safest option which make them look like they didn't surrender totally to both sides which reduced damage just to few biggest crazies and few pointless articles from usual suspects instead of industry wide drama.

Still it will probably be best to just advertise games now as it was huge mistake that they found themselves in that position in the first place.

 

[Redneckerz]

I think it comes down to the pronoun thing for a lot of people, not about whether or not it actually is a disorder. If there is consensus that being trans isn't a mental disorder, then you would be more justified in making people use pronouns that reflect how a person identifies, regardless of their biology. If you say it is a mental disorder, then it doesn't make as much sense to call a transwoman who looks like a guy "she".

(Gross exaggeration here as usually trans people don't easily tell others, especially US):

''So you are trans?''

''Correct.''

''How would you want to be referred as?''

''Him/Her/Xie/Xer''

It can't be this difficult i feel. (Sadly it is i reckon *sigh*

If that transwoman who looks like a guy wants to be referred at as she, then what's stopping me from doing so? Like, how should that bother me? Ill refer to you the way you want to be referred.

From what I have seen, the Twitter user thanked the Era mod for providing the doxxing information and the Era mod liked the Tweet, therefore confirming it. The original Tweet has since been deleted, but there are screen captures out there.

That’s how I understand it anyway, but I came across it by accident and didn’t try to remember the details exactly.

He thanked him for finding the name earlier, but it didn't say that Hecht provided that information to him.

Besides, AFAIK the name was found from a site from times ago where said doxxed used his real name i believe.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Being transgender is not a reasoning.

No, "being born that way" is generally their reasoning.

 

[Hendrick's]

Transgender is not a new gender. Do you really understand the issue? Nobody is adding a new gender when saying there are people that do no identify as their birth sex.

Being transgender is not a reasoning.

Since the beginning, you haven't.
1/ You must know there are more than just XX and XY right? Turner syndrome and Klinefelter syndrome, just to name a few. Intersex people do exist.
2/ Anyway, if we stick to male and female, then we do not need to add some new genders to accept transgender people. I hope you see this.
3/ I am French, by the way. Any person saying things like "There is no such thing as trans gender" in France would be laughed at and not taken seriously anymore.
So I did my homework and looked at the scientific consensus in the US and it is quite clear according to the American Psychiatric Association :
https://www.psychiatry.org/File Library/Psychiatrists/Practice/DSM/APA_DSM-5-Gender-Dysphoria.pdf
Quote:
"It is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder."

Are you a doctor? Can you back-up your claims? See above.

Please provide numbers to back-up your claims as KellyM did.

Yes, you can do it! It makes as much sense as Bonobos being homosexual. Maybe it needs some more research in the field (probably). But could we just accept it before saying without respect that it does not exist or that it's a mental disorder?

I have no desire to go back and cite all I have researched. I don't care enough and i'm not getting paid for this. It's all from legit research, but feel free to discredit it because I'm not going to waste my time.

 

[SleepySlippy]

No, "being born that way" is generally their reasoning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality?wprov=sfla1
seems to corroborate that reasoning.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality?wprov=sfla1
seems to corroborate that reasoning.

As does 'mental illness', which is what I believe, as I've stated. Anyway, I can't be getting sucked back into this. My last words on the topic, lest I get a mod paddling.

 

[Barnabot]

The original story by Ian was that a ERA mod doxxed people - AFAIK, this isn't the case. A Twitter user claimed to have doxxed, and the ERA mod endorsed these tweets. Thus, that does not mean ERA (Hecht) doxxed people, because he didn't, but he does allude to supporting it, unless i am missing something here.

There's this https://lulz.com/cyberpunk-2077-doxed-harassed-hashtag-wontbeerased-1513/ and I don't know if this source is trustworthy or not because the doxx was swept under the rug and now it never existed in the first place. /s

EDIT: Actually nevermind the url since the doxx now never existed in the first place.

 

[Dr. Claus]

(Gross exaggeration here as usually trans people don't easily tell others, especially US):

''So you are trans?''

''Correct.''

''How would you want to be referred as?''

''Him/Her/Xie/Xer''

It can't be this difficult i feel. (Sadly it is i reckon *sigh*

If that transwoman who looks like a guy wants to be referred at as she, then what's stopping me from doing so? Like, how should that bother me? Ill refer to you the way you want to be referred.


He thanked him for finding the name earlier, but it didn't say that Hecht provided that information to him.

Besides, AFAIK the name was found from a site from times ago where said doxxed used his real name i believe.

It really isn't that hard, but I won't lie - I refuse to use made up terms to refer to someone as (referring Xie/Xer/Xim). If you are a biological male and feel you are female? Then I will refer to use with female pronouns. If you are biological female and feel you are male? Then I will use male pronouns. If you don't know? Then I will refer to you with pronouns related to your biological sex (or use Dude, which I tend to use interchangeable regardless of the sex).