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[bigedole]

I know a lot of people seem to think there is a witch hunt going on related to CDPR/GOG, but the entire controversy is so easily avoidable that it makes me wonder why that tweet would even be made in the first place?

Like there are millions of ways to tweet about your PC game catalogue (including making it funny or a joke)without ripping on a twitter trend that is very relevant to actual events happening in politics affecting people that have historically been disenfranchised

Like there is a 0% chance that hashtag was used without knowing its recent origin. It’s low hanging fruit and punching down honestly so why? Like... be better than that, it’s not hard

WTF are you even talking about? "Historically disenfranchised" ???? I'm on fucking crazy pills with this bullshit. Please, lord please explain to me what you mean by "historically disenfranchised".

 

[akutasame994]

I donQUOTE="Mega Man X, post: 253527456, member: 746606"]That maybe is the proof of something I was thinking about Era: They don't just want rights of any sort. They just want to hunt: they want to hunt everyone they think is /was/will(be) hunting them. They want to bully the ones they think were bullying them. I feel you were not supposed to have an opinion in that forum. The are just about everything they have advertised about GAF in the migration period but now exhibiting an extreme left wing flag instead. They don't even know the meaning of both bigotry and facist words when a lot of them are acting like both of them while accusing others of the same while they're shutting down everyone else's opinion who doesn't want to be part of that hive mind.[/QUOTE]


I don't think it was a joke to begin with. GoG stands for a very specific cause and CDPR themselves represent a minority in gaming.

So the tag usage is very appropriate.

However people at naziera and at sjw news outlets seem to think that hashtags can be only used for one purpose and that infringing on it is stepping over people in need.

Funny thing is I support those people battling to keep their voices heared and morons at resetera and the people in kotaku/others are doing them a huge disservice and bring more people to suppory whatever retarded think Trump wants. If I hadn't personally talked to few trans/gay people I'd think people at Era are majority and would hate everything LGBT. Thats what this online sjw is doing to their cause.

 

[Akira1983]

WTF are you even talking about? "Historically disenfranchised" ???? I'm on fucking crazy pills with this bullshit. Please, lord please explain to me what you mean by "historically disenfranchised".

I don't usually like answering a question with a question, but I guess I would ask if you honestly believe transgender people are given the same protections, rights, respect and treatment of non-transgender people? If for some reason you don't like the usage of the word "disenfranchised" then marginalized would work in this case too. I don't think that matters as we all know the implications of the word and what it means

No different than other "marginalized" groups in history, including women, minorities/people of color, gays, etc

I assume you don't have an opinion on the rest of my post in regards to the tweet since you didn't quote that? the word disenfranchised / marginalized is important in this context because of the struggles that transgender people have gone through just to be accepted and have legal and social recognition, and its being used in this case to make a "funny" about something as stupid as selling old PC games

Have you ever heard of the term "punching down"? You don't do it, especially a company who sells a product that will likely be consumed by the very people you are making light of

 

[Akira1983]

In other news, Guerrila games have lost their balls. Bunch of cringy cucks.

Confirmed the next killzone protagonist to be a gender fluid, female lesbian tranny.




What in the fuck is a LGBTQIASSDHJSH? What absolute nonsense.

Kudos to CD red. It seems like they are the only dev that haven't lost their balls.

Oh man, how awful. A company pointing out they'd love to see some more diversity in the applications of potential new hires

Wont someone think of the poor straight white people and which game dev will they work at now? Nowhere does it say they would ONLY accept applications from those groups

Come on, Guerilla is a great developer and look at Horizon. Aloy was a fantastic new character and it was nice seeing a AAA big budget release feature a relatively non-standard female design. It also had good representation across the board.

Did you have a problem with how Horizon turned out?

 

[bigedole]

I don't usually like answering a question with a question, but I guess I would ask if you honestly believe transgender people are given the same protections, rights, respect and treatment of non-transgender people? If for some reason you don't like the usage of the word "disenfranchised" then marginalized would work in this case too. I don't think that matters as we all know the implications of the word and what it means

No different than other "marginalized" groups in history, including women, minorities/people of color, gays, etc

I assume you don't have an opinion on the rest of my post in regards to the tweet since you didn't quote that? the word disenfranchised / marginalized is important in this context because of the struggles that transgender people have gone through just to be accepted and have legal and social recognition, and its being used in this case to make a "funny" about something as stupid as selling old PC games

Have you ever heard of the term "punching down"? You don't do it, especially a company who sells a product that will likely be consumed by the very people you are making light of

I'm basically calling BS on you using the phrase "historically disenfranchised". Of course what words you choose matters, that's kind of the whole point behind a significant portion of this debate! Please tell me what rights trans people don't have that everyone else is enjoying. The difference is, in the past, the other groups you're mentioning were actually discriminated against by our legal and political system. Transgender people are not. The concept of punching down/up in humor is stupid, nothing should be off limits and if you find something tasteless then don't consume that individual's material. I don't think their attempt at wit was funny or clever, but I think the outrage over it is ridiculous and narcissistic.

 

[LukeSkywater]

I don't usually like answering a question with a question, but I guess I would ask if you honestly believe transgender people are given the same protections, rights, respect and treatment of non-transgender people? If for some reason you don't like the usage of the word "disenfranchised" then marginalized would work in this case too. I don't think that matters as we all know the implications of the word and what it means

No different than other "marginalized" groups in history, including women, minorities/people of color, gays, etc

I assume you don't have an opinion on the rest of my post in regards to the tweet since you didn't quote that? the word disenfranchised / marginalized is important in this context because of the struggles that transgender people have gone through just to be accepted and have legal and social recognition, and its being used in this case to make a "funny" about something as stupid as selling old PC games

Have you ever heard of the term "punching down"? You don't do it, especially a company who sells a product that will likely be consumed by the very people you are making light of

Hate to break this to you my dude, but there is no trans people. They are either male or female with a medically certified mental disorder. XX or XY are the only chromosomes you are born with. There is no XYT, sorry if science hurts your feels.

 

[kingbean]

Since when did everyone become a member of the joke police?

 

[Redneckerz]

I don't think the joke was good but I don't have anything against CDProjectRed. Good that they apologized.

Why should they apologize? By that metric everything can be problematic. Hashtags are supposed to be neutral tags and not be abused as political tools of allegiance.

Lets do an example:
If i had a cousin who wanted an additional Mii on his Nintendo and i hashtag this as #Miitoo, am i then:

• satirizing a movement?
• satirizing Nintendo with this movement?
• or just playful?

If you reacted like the known platforms, you would never know that i made that hashtag as option 3, because all you would think is either option 1 or 2.

This is why this whole outrage culture is such BS - It neglects any possibility that something is either a mistake, a play on words, the intent is not to harm, and so on.
No, in outrage culture, its always a plot to neonazism, fascism, racism, and transphobia.

I know a lot of people seem to think there is a witch hunt going on related to CDPR/GOG, but the entire controversy is so easily avoidable that it makes me wonder why that tweet would even be made in the first place?

Like there are millions of ways to tweet about your PC game catalogue (including making it funny or a joke)without ripping on a twitter trend that is very relevant to actual events happening in politics affecting people that have historically been disenfranchised

Like there is a 0% chance that hashtag was used without knowing its recent origin. It’s low hanging fruit and punching down honestly so why? Like... be better than that, it’s not hard

Its still just a hashtag though.

Want to make life for trans people better? Reach out. Getting all worked up over a social media hashtag, how is that exactly helping them? Yeah, i am sure folks are grateful people stick up for them online. Meanwhile their offline situation still remains one marred with uncertainties, rejection and bullying. That is the part you would want to take care of.

If i find that outrage bullshit, am i transphobic? Meanwhile offline i actively help and support and befriend these people? You wouldn't know, cus all you read is me finding this tendency to call every little thing transphobic as bullshit. <- This isn't specifically directed at you, i just find it to be outraged about this stuff online and not doing anything else so incredibly lazy. Want to commit to that movement? Reach out. Offline.

 

[Akira1983]

Hate to break this to you my dude, but there is no trans people. They are either male or female with a medically certified mental disorder. XX or XY are the only chromosomes you are born with. There is no XYT, sorry if science hurts your feels.

Doesn’t hurt my feelings, I’m not transgender. I just believe I’m going to be on the right side of history, which is where I’d prefer to be. There was a point in time when people thought those attracted to the same sex had a mental disorder I’m sure

Either way recognizing more than 2 genders doesn’t affect me negatively so not sure why I should feel differently

You do you though

 

[Akira1983]

Why should they apologize? By that metric everything can be problematic. Hashtags are supposed to be neutral tags and not be abused as political tools of allegiance.

Lets do an example:
If i had a cousin who wanted an additional Mii on his Nintendo and i hashtag this as #Miitoo, am i then:

• satirizing a movement?
• satirizing Nintendo with this movement?
• or just playful?

If you reacted like the known platforms, you would never know that i made that hashtag as option 3, because all you would think is either option 1 or 2.

This is why this whole outrage culture is such BS - It neglects any possibility that something is either a mistake, a play on words, the intent is not to harm, and so on.
No, in outrage culture, its always a plot to neonazism, fascism, racism, and transphobia.

Its still just a hashtag though.

Want to make life for trans people better? Reach out. Getting all worked up over a social media hashtag, how is that exactly helping them? Yeah, i am sure folks are grateful people stick up for them online. Meanwhile their offline situation still remains one marred with uncertainties, rejection and bullying. That is the part you would want to take care of.

If i find that outrage bullshit, am i transphobic? Meanwhile offline i actively help and support and befriend these people? You wouldn't know, cus all you read is me finding this tendency to call every little thing transphobic as bullshit. <- This isn't specifically directed at you, i just find it to be outraged about this stuff online and not doing anything else so incredibly lazy. Want to commit to that movement? Reach out. Offline.

It’s crazy but you could do both? Be a good person and ally offline and be more self aware and respectful online? It’s really easy

Again I stated that I’m not personally offended by this whole thing but the whole joke was really lame and unfunny and seems to be not worth any of this anyways

 

[LukeSkywater]

Doesn’t hurt my feelings, I’m not transgender. I just believe I’m going to be on the right side of history, which is where I’d prefer to be. There was a point in time when people thought those attracted to the same sex had a mental disorder I’m sure

Either way recognizing more than 2 genders doesn’t affect me negatively so not sure why I should feel differently

You do you though

You really should get an education. Being gay, or bi, or straight is a person's sexuality. It has nothing to do with gender, nor is it a mental disorder. Being born with a dick and wanting to slice it apart to make a fake vagina is a medically certified mental disorder called body dysmorphia. These people don't need gender reassignment surgery, they need medication and therapy. They also need dumb assess to stop pandering to their mental illness as if they were some special butterfly.

 

[Huggers]

Seemed pretty innocuous to me. They should maybe be more careful though considering the current climate

 

[bigedole]

Doesn’t hurt my feelings, I’m not transgender. I just believe I’m going to be on the right side of history, which is where I’d prefer to be. There was a point in time when people thought those attracted to the same sex had a mental disorder I’m sure

Either way recognizing more than 2 genders doesn’t affect me negatively so not sure why I should feel differently

You do you though

Cool, do you also recognize the existence of the flying spaghetti monster, the earth is flat and the sun is in orbit around us? Because none of these things effect you negatively. That was never the point. They are simply untrue, and no one gets to pretend science doesn't exist to protect their feelings.

 

[LukeSkywater]

Cool, do you also recognize the existence of the flying spaghetti monster, the earth is flat and the sun is in orbit around us? Because none of these things effect you negatively. That was never the point. They are simply untrue, and no one gets to pretend science doesn't exist to protect their feelings.

But don't dare challenge climate change, sjw's are like "BUT MUH SCIENCE" like a Mother fucker. Teach them basic biology and they start playing the victim game.

 

[Redneckerz]

It’s crazy but you could do both? Be a good person and ally offline and be more self aware and respectful online? It’s really easy

The thing is that in the eyes of outrage, you can't do both. For all we know GOG's tweet was completely playful, but you would never know because this position is instantly discarded. There must be something more.

Even so, again, its just a hashtag. If your offline life is reliant on online hashtags, than something is not going right.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Hate to break this to you my dude, but there is no trans people. They are either male or female with a medically certified mental disorder. XX or XY are the only chromosomes you are born with. There is no XYT, sorry if science hurts your feels.

Even if you would want to go with that, mentally ill people have also been historically disenfranchised. So it doesn't contradict what he said either.

 

[Akira1983]

The thing is that in the eyes of outrage, you can't do both. For all we know GOG's tweet was completely playful, but you would never know because this position is instantly discarded. There must be something more.

Even so, again, its just a hashtag. If your offline life is reliant on online hashtags, than something is not going right.

I don’t think intent really matters personally. If GOG made a tweet like “wanna know who else has some of the hottest sales around on all your favorite pc games?! , #metoo”

They would get ripped apart and rightfully so.

You can be offensive without meaning to be, and people then have the right to call you out on it

I don’t think anyone’s mind is gonna change on this subject and I respect others opinions no matter how much I disagree so I’ll leave it at that. I don’t have a horse in this race, was just stating my position and obviously anyone’s free to disagree

Honestly just wish GOGs social media presence would smarten up and focus on promoting the storefront without the lame and crass jokes/references that both make no sense and are really stupid

 

[LukeSkywater]

Even if you would want to go with that, mentally ill people have also been historically disenfranchised. So it doesn't contradict what he said either.

Neither of you are even using the word disenfranchised in the right context. Please stop trying to sound educated, when you clearly are not.

 

[Cosmogony]

lol is there a need for all these masculinity posts in this thread?

my take on this. this is not the first time CDPR has made a trans-phobic post, their intentions are more than obvious.

Then you do not know what tarnsphobic means.

Transphobia stands for extreme, irrational fear or aversion to Transgender people. Nothing in any of tweets posted so far can legitimately be cited as displaying extreme irrational fear or aversion to Transgender people. Nothing.

To compound the problem, you also pretend to be able to discern intentions from an elliptic Tweet, goodness gracious, one that doesn't even mention Trans people.

Your post showcases intelectual dishonesty beyond belief.

I know a lot of people seem to think there is a witch hunt going on

The thing that's stopping it from qualifying as a witch hunt is the Lilliputian scale the ResetEra meltdown has in the grand scheme of things. But it's not for lack of them trying. It's more because of them failing.

related to CDPR/GOG, but the entire controversy is so easily avoidable that it makes me wonder why that tweet would even be made in the first place?

Sure. It's the first time ever in the history of mankind an action has had unintended negative consequences. It's an absolute first.

Like there are millions of ways to tweet about your PC game catalogue (including making it funny or a joke)without ripping on a twitter trend that is very relevant to actual events happening in politics affecting people that have historically been disenfranchised

GOG decide to ride the wave. So what? Words and hashtags are not the property of a certain group, no matter how disenfranchised they and their apologists feel they've historically been.

Like there is a 0% chance that hashtag was used without knowing its recent origin.

Because you say so. It must be true. You assert it, ergo it is true.
So convincing.

It’s low hanging fruit and punching down honestly so why? Like... be better than that, it’s not hard

It's not punching, at all, at anything. But to the prema-offended even a gust of wind in the wrong direction can be offensive.

 

[Redneckerz]

I don’t think intent really matters personally. If GOG made a tweet like “wanna know who else has some of the hottest sales around on all your favorite pc games?! , #metoo”

They would get ripped apart and rightfully so.

Why? If you can tell the intent is playful (Option 3), why villify them? I really doubt you just do that with no pretext just to get a rise out of people. Unless PR stunt (In which it is a poor choice to do so), why assume bad intent?

You can be offensive without meaning to be, and people then have the right to call you out on it

How do you think that should be? By dialogue, or doing everything you can in your online powers to get someone expelled?

You see, i would agree with the former but i despise the latter, and the latter is what happens.

Even more so, people from ERA already reserved some domainnames, just as a safety measure: (Name of user obmitted obviously)

Come on, how is that helping anyone? And that is excluding the pathetic attempts at inciting online harassment.

That picture above is exactly what is problematic and unwanted in outrage culture.

 

[Clear]

How the hell do you appropriate a hashtag?

 

[Akira1983]

Then you do not know what tarnsphobic means.

Transphobia stands for extreme, irrational fear or aversion to Transgender people. Nothing in any of tweets posted so far can legitimately be cited as displaying extreme irrational fear or aversion to Transgender people. Nothing.

To compound the problem, you also pretend to be able to discern intentions from an elliptic Tweet, goodness gracious, one that doesn't even mention Trans people.

Your post showcases intelectual dishonesty beyond belief.



The thing that's stopping it from qualifying as a witch hunt is the Lilliputian scale the ResetEra meltdown has in the grand scheme of things. But it's not for lack of them trying. It's more because of them failing.



Sure. It's the first time ever in the history of mankind an action has had unintended negative consequences. It's an absolute first.



GOG decide to ride the wave. So what? Words and hashtags are not the property of a certain group, no matter how disenfranchised they and their apologists feel they've historically been.



Because you say so. It must be true. You assert it, ergo it is true.
So convincing.



It's not punching, at all, at anything. But to the prema-offended even a gust of wind in the wrong direction can be offensive.

Right... #wontbeerased wasn’t a trending or used hashtag on twitter until the recent events and I’m supposed to believe GOG just HAPPENED to think of using it

Purely coincidence I’m sure. Hey I have a bridge to sell you

 

[Bollocks]

lol wtf is this? No bans, no drama, this is not the GAF I remember.
So I abandoned GAF and moved to ERA when it happened (my last post here is actually 1 year old now), thinking there I would get my gaming news, drama free, but looks like I actually went with the crazy people.
Now since I don't care about YT/Twitter drama I always skipped those but with 60+ pages I had to check it out, oh boy

It was there all along, I just didn't see it or didn't want to believe that they would create a worse GAF than GAF ever was after they themselves denounced GAF. arewethebaddies.gif
I guess I should have connected the dots when they bragged about having deleted their GAF accounts, wtf which sane person does that or when they banned people for innocent comments in threads that just happended to have the title edited with [READ OP] and they just happened to disagree with the mods point of view, basically any thread with [READ OP] is clap your hands or get banned, but since they always happened with social media drama news I actively avoided them. So it took me this long to figure out.

And now that they want to ban all discussions about CDPR as a whole, I guess this is not the place to get gaming news from.

Ironically it was here to see that GOG uses trending hashtags all the time to promote their store. It's a marketing account, they want to sell stuff, so they take a trending hashtag do a stupid wordplay and voila it pops up for a lot of people, easy advertising. It doesn't take a genius to see why they would choose that hashtag:

1. store selling games
2. old games
3. digital
4. drm free
5. #wontbeerased.

duh
Yet people on ERA are deleting their accounts (once again), doxxing people, denouncing a whole company, scary

 

[Cosmogony]

Right... #wontbeerased wasn’t a trending or used hashtag on twitter until the recent events and I’m supposed to believe GOG just HAPPENED to think of using it

Purely coincidence I’m sure. Hey I have a bridge to sell you

Did you even read what I wrote? As in "GOG decided to ride the wave".
Trying to ride the wave, tongue-in-cheek, though, does not qualify as transphobia.

You're trying to sell something alright.
But it ain't a bridge.

 

[Barnabot]

lol wtf is this? No bans, no drama, this is not the GAF I remember.
So I abandoned GAF and moved to ERA when it happened (my last post here is actually 1 year old now), thinking there I would get my gaming news, drama free, but looks like I actually went with the crazy people.
Now since I don't care about YT/Twitter drama I always skipped those but with 60+ pages I had to check it out, oh boy

It was there all along, I just didn't see it or didn't want to believe that they would create a worse GAF than GAF ever was after they themselves denounced GAF. arewethebaddies.gif
I guess I should have connected the dots when they bragged about having deleted their GAF accounts, wtf which sane person does that or when they banned people for innocent comments in threads that just happended to have the title edited with [READ OP] and they just happened to disagree with the mods point of view, basically any thread with [READ OP] is clap your hands or get banned, but since they always happened with social media drama news I actively avoided them. So it took me this long to figure out.

And now that they want to ban all discussions about CDPR as a whole, I guess this is not the place to get gaming news from.

Ironically it was here to see that GOG uses trending hashtags all the time to promote their store. It's a marketing account, they want to sell stuff, so they take a trending hashtag do a stupid wordplay and voila it pops up for a lot of people, easy advertising. It doesn't take a genius to see why they would choose that hashtag:

1. store selling games
2. old games
3. digital
4. drm free
5. #wontbeerased.

duh
Yet people on ERA are deleting their accounts (once again), doxxing people, denouncing a whole company, scary

Maybe all the happy-trigger-ban-hammer mods moved to ERA along with some other people, some by their own will, some by false advertising in which ERA could be everything they claimed GAF wasn't but in the right way... sorry I meant extreme left way.

 

[akutasame994]

Man Akira you are really making it hard to not call you retarded :/

Hashtags do not belong to anyone and it doesn't matter why it is trending, we can use them as we please,, and that does not make us an more transphobic or homophobic.

Lastly, you said you are not of LGBT community, meanwhile tons of real life friends who are found Era (and by extension your defending of the outrage over this) funny and unwarranted. IT IS A TWITTER HASHTAG!

Now lemme go post some more shit with it just to be a piece of poop to outraged people

 

[bad guy]

But doesn't every use of a hashtag make it more relevant and visible?

 

[LukeSkywater]

Man Akira you are really making it hard to not call you retarded :/

Hashtags do not belong to anyone and it doesn't matter why it is trending, we can use them as we please,, and that does not make us an more transphobic or homophobic.

Lastly, you said you are not of LGBT community, meanwhile tons of real life friends who are found Era (and by extension your defending of the outrage over this) funny and unwarranted. IT IS A TWITTER HASHTAG!

Now lemme go post some more shit with it just to be a piece of poop to outraged people

#blackolivesmatter

 

[DeepEnigma]

#blackolivesmatter™

Fixed it for you so nobody can use it... without express written consent of course.

 

[RoboFu]

I don't usually like answering a question with a question, but I guess I would ask if you honestly believe transgender people are given the same protections, rights, respect and treatment of non-transgender people? If for some reason you don't like the usage of the word "disenfranchised" then marginalized would work in this case too. I don't think that matters as we all know the implications of the word and what it means

No different than other "marginalized" groups in history, including women, minorities/people of color, gays, etc

I assume you don't have an opinion on the rest of my post in regards to the tweet since you didn't quote that? the word disenfranchised / marginalized is important in this context because of the struggles that transgender people have gone through just to be accepted and have legal and social recognition, and its being used in this case to make a "funny" about something as stupid as selling old PC games

Have you ever heard of the term "punching down"? You don't do it, especially a company who sells a product that will likely be consumed by the very people you are making light of

Trans people certainly do have the same rights as everyone else. That’s how laws work.

Socially they are one of many small groups who get bashed constantly and in that aspect awareness and education is definitely needed.


The whole arguement is should we change our basic legal scientific definitions of sex to cater to a small group of people who feel they should be labeled in a multitude of different ways?

And from that simple question we get a circus of crazy accusations and slobbering hate filled statements from all sides.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Neither of you are even using the word disenfranchised in the right context. Please stop trying to sound educated, when you clearly are not.

We are using it correctly. I know you think you're styling on fools here, but all you're doing is shouting instead of talking and on top of that your rhetoric is paper thin and makes you sound like a moron. Maybe not getting all your political knowledge from Youtube could help you.

 

[Cosmogony]

I don't usually like answering a question with a question, but I guess I would ask if you honestly believe transgender people are given the same protections, rights, respect and treatment of non-transgender people?

Legally?
They do.

The only way to have each and every Transgender people be treated the way you envision would be to establish an unprecedented totalitarian state, where every single minute action of each individual would be monitored and rewarded or penalized. But then you would have to have established that the cause for their mistreatment was their transgender, not all of the myriad of complex factors that shape interactions between any two human beings.

I assume you don't have an opinion on the rest of my post in regards to the tweet since you didn't quote that? the word disenfranchised / marginalized is important in this context because of the struggles that transgender people have gone through just to be accepted and have legal and social recognition, and its being used in this case to make a "funny" about something as stupid as selling old PC games

Yes, it's being used to sell games by a company that sells games.
It is not being used to, quote, "make a "funny"", about transgender people. You finally got it right.
Finally.

Have you ever heard of the term "punching down"?

I reject the concept.

You don't do it,

Because you say so?

especially a company who sells a product that will likely be consumed by the very people you are making light of

No one made fun of Transgender people. You are not being accurate. By that logic humour would be dead altogether. Any joke is bound to offend someone. somewhere. who might possibly buy the product in question. If society were ever to move in the direction you are suggesting we would be many steps closer to a tenebrous Orwellian dystopia.

Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[julio_grr]

Want to make life for trans people better? Reach out.

I usually really like the way you moderate here and the nuance you try to bring to each discussions. And not only in this thread but in many others I happen to lurk or participate in. Always a pleasure to read and your work (and from the other mods) should be appreciated for what it is!

Hate to break this to you my dude, but there is no trans people. They are either male or female with a medically certified mental disorder. XX or XY are the only chromosomes you are born with.

Maybe this would need to be nuanced.

Being born with a dick and wanting to slice it apart to make a fake vagina is a medically certified mental disorder called body dysmorphia. These people don't need gender reassignment surgery, they need medication and therapy.

This is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start.
Denying to trans people their very existence is accepted here?

 

[petran79]

And now that they want to ban all discussions about CDPR as a whole, I guess this is not the place to get gaming news from.

This is insane. They should be grateful to GOG and CDPR, a Polish company, that preserves old American computer games.

 

[Scopa]

I usually really like the way you moderate here and the nuance you try to bring to each discussions. And not only in this thread but in many others I happen to lurk or participate in. Always a pleasure to read and your work (and from the other mods) should be appreciated for what it is!

Redneckerz is not a mod (although he/she asked to be made one once). Unless something happened recently that I am not aware of?

 

[Akira1983]

Legally?
They do.

The only way to have each and every Transgender people be treated the way you envision would be to establish an unprecedented totalitarian state, where every single minute action of each individual would be monitored and rewarded or penalized. But then you would have to have established that the cause for their mistreatment was their transgender, not all of the myriad of complex factors that shape interactions between any two human beings.



Yes, it's being used to sell games by a company that sells games.
It is not being used to, quote, "make a "funny"", about transgender people. You finally got it right.
Finally.



I reject the concept.



Because you say so?



No one made fun of Transgender people. You are not being accurate. By that logic humour would be dead altogether. Any joke is bound to offend someone. somewhere. who might possibly buy the product in question. If society were ever to move in the direction you are suggesting we would be many steps closer to a tenebrous Orwellian dystopia.

Thanks, but no thanks.

If someone used the hashtag #metoo or #blacklivesmatter as a joke tagline in a sales pitch, that's absolutely making light of both of those movements, I don't understand how you cant see that. #wewontbeerased is really no different.

Nevermind the fact this isn't some one off remark from GOGs social media account. We have already had the tweet about "did you just assume my gender" which has been used to mock transgender people, and then the posting of that Postal 2 gif with the lame bullshit about games journalism dying (rolls eyes, yeah guys im sure its really about ETHICS in game journalism wink wink). So there is a repeated pattern with these tweets.

And why are all these tweets being deleted shortly after posting? I mean, if its all in jest and not at all making light of these groups, why is GOG not backing up the social media account posting them? And instead apologizing and backpedaling?

Everyone is free to take from these events what they want, but to me its pretty telling that the only "references" being put on their twitter feed time and time again seem to do with gamergate and / or transgender issues... Its not a good look

Listen im not calling for a boycott on GOG or CDPR. im still gonna buy games from the service and I will be picking up Cyberpunk day one. This is more voicing my opinion that hey, your social media advertising/marketing has been trash lately, its stupid and juvenile and clearly offensive to some people. ultimately unnecessary for selling old fucking pc games, so maybe just strive to be better

 

[julio_grr]

Redneckerz is not a mod (although he/she asked to be made one once). Unless something happened recently that I am not aware of?

Oh OK maybe I'm wrong, I was under this impression. He will tell then.

 

[Akira1983]

This is insane. They should be grateful to GOG and CDPR, a Polish company, that preserves old American computer games.

Thats not true. I don't have an era account but I was lurking in that thread, it was closed and the mod clearly stated at the end they have no intention of banning discussion on either moving forward

 

[Dr. Claus]

You really should get an education. Being gay, or bi, or straight is a person's sexuality. It has nothing to do with gender, nor is it a mental disorder. Being born with a dick and wanting to slice it apart to make a fake vagina is a medically certified mental disorder called body dysmorphia. These people don't need gender reassignment surgery, they need medication and therapy. They also need dumb assess to stop pandering to their mental illness as if they were some special butterfly.

Yes and no. I do agree that transgender is characterized by various mental disorders (such as body dysmorphia, which is characterized as the obsessive idea that some aspect of one's own body part or appearance is severely flawed and warrants exceptional measures to hide or fix their dysmorphic part on their person). Where I disagree with you is in how it can be treated. We live in a day and age where we have medical procedures to help them (such as hormone replacement therapy and gender reassignment surgery). Yes, they can never "truly" be of the sex that they believe themselves to be, but if it helps them and provides a source of comfort, why deny them? However, this is a discussion for another thread at another time.

Right... #wontbeerased wasn’t a trending or used hashtag on twitter until the recent events and I’m supposed to believe GOG just HAPPENED to think of using it

Purely coincidence I’m sure. Hey I have a bridge to sell you

Hashtags can be used by multiple people at multiple times. There is no monopoly on specific hashtags or how they can be used. The core context of the GoG Tweet and its use of the hashtag is absolutely valid and not in any way, shape, or form an insult to Transgenders or the LGBTIAQ+ group as a whole. You are pushing your own insecurities onto a harmless tweet.

 

[Cosmogony]

If someone used the hashtag #metoo or #blacklivesmatter as a joke tagline in a sales pitch, that's absolutely making light of both of those movements, I don't understand how you cant see that. #wewontbeerased is really no different.

You can choose to interpret it however you want. The facts remain:
- The hashtag was used to promote a company which sells games. It was used to sell more games. It was used as humour, in a tongue and cheek way.
- Transgender people were not mentioned in any way, shape or form.

Hashtags and words are not the property of any group.

Nevermind the fact this isn't some one off remark from GOGs social media account. We have already had the tweet about "did you just assume my gender"

Actually, no. The "Did you just assume my gender?" was the work of Cyberpunk 2077's PR: Do you happen to know if they're one and the same person?

which has been used to mock transgender people,

Yes, millions of words have been used in the past to mock individuals. Which says nothing about how other individuals use them today.

and then the posting of that Postal 2 gif with the lame bullshit about games journalism dying (rolls eyes, yeah guys im sure its really about ETHICS in game journalism wink wink). So there is a repeated pattern with these tweets.

I suppose you do not know what a pattern is either. Two instances in gosh knows how many tweets do not constitute a pattern. Apparently, y u also do not know what transphobia entails, so no surprise there.

And why are all these tweets being deleted shortly after posting?

Because it's the first time ever in the history of mankind that actions have had unintended negative consequences.

I mean, if its all in jest and not at all making light of these groups, why is GOG not backing up the social media account posting them? And instead apologizing and backpedaling?

In the latest case, you are factually wrong. Here is the full tweet:

Yesterday, we posted a tweet containing a trending hashtag as a pun. The tweet was neither intended as a malicious attack, nor as a comment to the ongoing social debate.

GOG should focus only on games. We acknowledge that and we commit to it.

No apologies whatsoever.

Everyone is free to take from these events what they want, but to me its pretty telling that the only "references" being put on their twitter feed time and time again seem to do with gamergate and / or transgender issues... Its not a good look

So twice - allegedly - now translates to time and time again?

Listen im not calling for a boycott on GOG or CDPR. im still gonna buy games from the service and I will be picking up Cyberpunk day one. This is more voicing my opinion that hey, your social media advertising/marketing has been trash lately, its stupid and juvenile and clearly offensive to some people.

Some people found it offensive.
Should offended people always be catered to?

If, for example, a group finds Trans activists' language offensive and feel offended by their rhetoric, should Trans activists change how they communicate in accordance?

 

[Kururu]

Stepping in here for a moment to give a public warning and let you know I'm going to keep my eye on this thread personally. There's way too many insults being thrown around. I'm going to be a nice person and let some of this go as a warning, but do not do personal attacks.

An example of a personal attack just in case we're unaware: "You're an idiot." "You're basically a moron." "I bet you can't count to 3."

None of this is warranted. If someone says something you think is stupid, don't insult them. Attack their views. Here's some examples: "You say X but I say Y." "Here's why I don't agree with X." "Can you provide facts to what you're saying?"

It's really not that hard to be nice. And with that, I leave you the wise words of President Lincoln.

 

[Akira1983]

You can choose to interpret it however you want. The facts remain:
- The hashtag was used to promote a company which sells games. It was used to sell more games. It was used in a tongue and cheek way.
- Transgender people were not mentioned in any way, shape or form.

Hashtags and words are not the property of any group.




Actually, no. The "Did you just assume my gender?" was tweeted by Cyberpunk 2077 PR: Do you happen to know if they're one and the same person?



Yes, millions of words have been used in the past to mock individuals. Which says nothing about how other individuals use them today.



I suppose you do not know what a pattern is either. You also do not know what transphobia entails, so no surprise there.



Because it's the first time in the history of mankind that actions have had unintended negative consequences.



If the latest case, you are factually wrong. Here is the full tweet:



No apologies whatsoever.



So twice - allegedly - now translates to time and time again?



Some people found it offensive.
Should offended people always be catered to?

If, for example, a group finds Trans activists' language offensive and feel offended by their rhetoric, should Trans activists change how they communicate?

I never said anyone “owns” a hashtag, that’s a silly notion. I’m not questioning whether or not someone is free to use whatever hashtag they want, but there is 0% chance it was a coincidence

Do you really believe GOG had no intention of referencing the current trans movement with that tweet? Like honestly?

And the tweet doesn’t have to mention trans people to be belittling. If I co-opted me too and wasn’t actually advocating for supporting women and fighting against sexual assault it would be offensive to those suffering from the issues related to the movement

The reason you use a trending hashtag on twitter is to draw attention to yourself or your product. I get that’s a business role to do but think about it... A company that sells video games of all things is using a trending hashtag related to a movement against Donald trumps policy ideas that could directly affect the rights and protections for trans people... to sell video games, that’s tacky as hell.

I don’t really care if it’s all one person or not, frankly it makes it worse as it implies a culture for this kind of stuff. I know that GOG and CDPR are one in the same so which branch of the business doesn’t really make them look any better, do you think it does?

As far as anyone catering to those offended? It’s all about context. Transgender people are harassed, looked down upon, not respected, etc. so you should have more empathy for them

Do white people have the right to be offended by a cracker joke at the hands of a black comedian the same as a black audience with an n word joke from a white comedian? No. Because white people have never had to worry about violence and discrimination based on the color of their skin.

Just like I have a lot less empathy for CIS people being upset about something , no one is harassing or assaulting them for identifying as the sex/gender they were born with

Context and nuance matter a lot in this type of discussion but maybe I’m out of touch

 

[Dr. Claus]

I never said anyone “owns” a hashtag, that’s a silly notion. I’m not questioning whether or not someone is free to use whatever hashtag they want, but there is 0% chance it was a coincidence

Do you really believe GOG had no intention of referencing the current trans movement with that tweet? Like honestly?

And the tweet doesn’t have to mention trans people to be belittling. If I co-opted me too and wasn’t actually advocating for supporting women and fighting against sexual assault it would be offensive to those suffering from the issues related to the movement

The reason you use a trending hashtag on twitter is to draw attention to yourself or your product. I get that’s a business role to do but think about it... A company that sells video games of all things is using a trending hashtag related to a movement against Donald trumps policy ideas that could directly affect the rights and protections for trans people... to sell video games, that’s tacky as hell.

I don’t really care if it’s all one person or not, frankly it makes it worse as it implies a culture for this kind of stuff. I know that GOG and CDPR are one in the same so which branch of the business doesn’t really make them look any better, do you think it does?

As far as anyone catering to those offended? It’s all about context. Transgender people are harassed, looked down upon, not respected, etc. so you should have more empathy for them

Do white people have the right to be offended by a cracker joke at the hands of a black comedian the same as a black audience with an n word joke from a white comedian? No. Because white people have never had to worry about violence and discrimination based on the color of their skin.

Just like I have a lot less empathy for CIS people being upset about something , no one is harassing or assaulting them for identifying as the sex/gender they were born with

Context and nuance matter a lot in this type of discussion but maybe I’m out of touch

Again, that is complete rubbish. You are projecting your own insecurities and own issues onto a harmless tweet. The tweet itself hasn't done anything wrong. You are most assuredly "out of touch" with the reality of the situation.

 

[mayhemking]

I just believe I’m going to be on the right side of history

Naw, you will be mocked along with the other over-sensitive and censorious NPC's getting swept up by the current moral panic.

 

[Cosmogony]

I never said anyone “owns” a hashtag, that’s a silly notion. I’m not questioning whether or not someone is free to use whatever hashtag they want, but there is 0% chance it was a coincidence

No one claims coincidence. I certainly did not. In fact, I've said the opposite twice now. GOG went with a pun, trying to ride the wave. They had every right to do it. They should guide themselves by what they want to achieve and how they want to achieve it, not by what the group of the day will find offensive. It seems like there's at least one group ready and willing to find anything offensive.

Do you really believe GOG had no intention of referencing the current trans movement with that tweet? Like honestly?

Do you know what a double-entendre is?
Apparently, no, you do not.

And the tweet doesn’t have to mention trans people to be belittling. If I co-opted me too and wasn’t actually advocating for supporting women and fighting against sexual assault it would be offensive to those suffering from the issues related to the movement

You can assert it a thousand times. If you are going to define offensive as anything that ever offends anyone, have I got news for you: I actually find this post of yours offensive. Are you going to apologize? Are you going to delete your post? Are you?

Are you going to do the all things you're calling upon GOG to do, or is that a one way avenue? When others do it, it's terrible and the backlash always justified. When you do it, then there's nothing to it and let's not blow things out of proportion.

It's a blatant double-standard, that's what it is.

Intent matters. GOG clarified what their intent was and what it wasn't. You're free to disbelieve them. But if you're going to claim their intent was X, then the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence that was the case.

Do you have any?

The reason you use a trending hashtag on twitter is to draw attention to yourself or your product. I get that’s a business role to do but think about it... A company that sells video games of all things is using a trending hashtag related to a movement against Donald trumps policy ideas that could directly affect the rights and protections for trans people... to sell video games, that’s tacky as hell.

I'm not going to try to persuade you otherwise. You find it tacky. It's a natter of taste. It's your personal opinion. You have yours. Others have theirs. GOG should not have to behave according to your personal taste and personal opinions.

You have yours, they have theirs. That's the nature of opinions. Unless you'd be claiming it's more than just an opinion.

I don’t really care if it’s all one person or not, frankly it makes it worse as it implies a culture for this kind of stuff.

A pattern out of two instances, a whole culture out of two persons. Your thinking is terribly imprecise.

I know that GOG and CDPR are one in the same so which branch of the business doesn’t really make them look any better, do you think it does?

It didn't make them look bad at all in the first place, not in my eyes.

As far as anyone catering to those offended? It’s all about context. Transgender people are harassed,

So are non-trans people. How do you know that a Trans person necessarily suffers more that a non Trans person?

looked down upon, not respected, etc. so you should have more empathy for them

I'm under the moral obligation to respect a person merely because they're Transgender? Irrespective of the kind of the individual they are? Why on Earth?

What a bizarre statement.

Do white people have the right to be offended by a cracker joke at the hands of a black comedian the same as a black audience with an n word joke from a white comedian? No.

I'm sorry. But this is pathetic and absurd.
Luckily, no one needs your clearance in order to feel whatever they feel. You don't get to decide who has the right to do what, especially because you cannot make a rational case for the proposition.

The intersectional view of the world is preventing you from thinking clearly and honestly.

Because white people have never had to worry about violence and discrimination based on the color of their skin

What a silly, shallow and utterly superficial view of the world. As if people's lives could be ranked in terms of suffering in descending order by skin tone alone or even primarily. What a silly puerile view intersectionality is.

Just like I have a lot less empathy for CIS people being upset about something , no one is harassing or assaulting them for identifying as the sex/gender they were born with

Yes, because that's all there would be to the human condition, the place one occupies in the ladder of alleged oppression. As if people's lives could be summed up by whether or not they identify with their biological sex and the rest were mere trifle.

How pathetic intersectionality is.

Context and nuance matter a lot in this type of discussion but maybe I’m out of touch

Context? Nuance?
You mean that which you keep on disregarding?

 

[Akira1983]

Naw, you will be mocked along with the other over-sensitive and censorious NPC's getting swept up by the current moral panic.

Censorious lol

We will see I guess

 

[LukeSkywater]

Stepping in here for a moment to give a public warning and let you know I'm going to keep my eye on this thread personally. There's way too many insults being thrown around. I'm going to be a nice person and let some of this go as a warning, but do not do personal attacks.

An example of a personal attack just in case we're unaware: "You're an idiot." "You're basically a moron." "I bet you can't count to 3."

None of this is warranted. If someone says something you think is stupid, don't insult them. Attack their views. Here's some examples: "You say X but I say Y." "Here's why I don't agree with X." "Can you provide facts to what you're saying?"

It's really not that hard to be nice. And with that, I leave you the wise words of President Lincoln.

I'm probably guilty of stepping over the line, so I apologize to you and the other mods. I will tone it down.


Can I still call someone a "soy boy?"

 

[KellyM]

How do you erase something that doesn't exist in the first place. A mental disorder is not a gender.

It not a mental disorder. it is scientific proof that transgender brain is more like the brain they identify with. Also you have intersex, and that is not a disorder, The WHO (the World Health Organazation) has disclassfied being a transgender as a disorder, like they did being gay. You need to stop living in the past luke and catch up on science.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-promised-study-shows-structural-differences/

https://globalnews.ca/news/4223342/transgender-brain-scan-research/

 

[Dr. Claus]

It not a mental disorder. it is scientific proof that transgender brain is more like the brain they identify with. Also you have intersex, and that is not a disorder, The WHO (the World Health Organazation) has disclassfied being a transgender as a disorder, like they did being gay. You need to stop living in the past luke and catch up on science.

Intersex is not at all the same as being transgender, Kelly. One is physical, the other is mental. That is basic science.

 

[Punished Miku]

I'm probably guilty of stepping over the line, so I apologize to you and the other mods. I will tone it down.


Can I still call someone a "soy boy?"

I think it's best if you don't call anyone here directly any names. If you want to generically refer to "soy boys" as a phenomenon or a general personality type that you are criticizing in an abstract way on a certain issue, that seems fine. But why directly insult someone posting here? It's still an ad hominem personal attack. Just my take on it.