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[FF:Enhanced_Reality]

I bought my fiancee a Nintendo Switch for Christmas 2017. She owns three games for it. Mario Kart, which the console came with. Zelda Breath of the Wild and Pokemon Let's Go! Pikachu. She hasn't got any other games and when we go looking for a game, we never seem to find one we really want to play. This is my issue with Nintendo products really, I don't want ports of last gen games that I've already played but there isn't enough in it's future to really make me want to have it. The lack of power means that developers won't really want to port many of their current titles unless they know there is profit to be made and it's worthwhile. Not to say that it doesn't happen because Mortal Kombat 11 got a port. But Resident Evil 2 didn't and Capcom normally perform well on Nintendo platforms. Monster Hunter World hasn't received a Switch port and yet Capcom put all their Monster Hunter egg's in Nintendo's basket after they ditched PSP, so it's a little odd to see.

I don't think a more powerful Switch is necessarily the answer. We just aren't seeing enough unique games to really make it worthwhile. But in today's market, I can't see titles from existing franchises made for a single platform being worthwhile. Like with the Wii, Nintendo had the Resident Evil Chronicles titles, Dead Space Extraction, House of the Dead Overkill, Silent Hill Shattered Memories etc. All these games ended up being ported to other consoles, even in 2010 SH:SM got a PSP and PS2 port. I just think Nintendo need to re-capture that third party support. Get Capcom making Resident Evil and Devil May Cry games for it that are unique and take advantage of the system, get Namco on it, Square etc. Don't just be the same game with a reasonable visual trade off.

If they do that, we'll buy more games and we'll all be happier. But even the last time I went to GAME, there's two gondola's full of Switch games and there's nothing we want to buy or don't already have in better quality. Crash Bandicoot? Mmm, nah, got it on PS4, don't need it again. Dragon's Dogma? Better on PS4. Skyrim? Sheesh, got it on three other platforms already... I'm surprised there isn't a Fallout game on Switch yet, that supposed Fallout 3 remaster for Switch would have been exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. If they're going to just port older titles to the Switch to fill out the catalogue and test the waters, at least make sure they're the definitive version.

 

[TwiztidElf]

I have a long train commute, and I have no shame in playing Switch during it.
Aside from all the obvious talked about titles in this thread, Dead Cells, CupHead and Lumines have been huge highlights for me.

At my office people are playing Smash Bros all day.

Any jobs going there?

 

[MagnesG]

Is the software moving as good as the console?

Even higher than the console.

 

[Meesh]

The eshop has some good gems on their too!!! That could be part of it...

 

[EDMIX]

Not sure why but since earlier this year all my friends started telling me they want to get a Switch. Maybe it has something to do with the release of Smash Brothers?

At my office people are playing Smash Bros all day.

Is Switch becoming the next Nintendo juggernaut? Could it even become the next Wii? (in terms of mainstream popularity)

"Is Switch becoming the next Nintendo juggernaut" Not really. Id say its as big as 3DS and Wii U was combined....which makes sense considering the install bases. "Could it even become the next Wii" Nope.

Factually the sales don't really support that theory and I don't see anything with the handheld that is suddenly getting someone to play it that didn't their past handhelds.

Put it this way, it would be like saying next gen "Is Call Of Duty becoming the next Activision juggernaut?" (ignores the same folks who liked Call Of Duty will likely STILL LIKE Call Of Duty ie Smash bros) "Could it even become the next Call Of Duty?"

So those who like Nintendo handhelds and consoles have not vanished since Wii U and 3DS....those who like Smash will still like Smash. I've seen nothing to suggest that anymore is buying the combined install base then previously.

 

[EDMIX]

there is no doubt Smash has shifted a lot of units. now the next mainline Pokemon has been announced it's gonna sell even better. some of my friends who haven't been interested in the switch over the last 2 years are now saying they'll be getting one this year for Pokemon.

i don't know if it'll be on the same level as the Wii but things are definitely gonna get better this year and next year for Switch. i think it could hit 45-50 million units sold by this time next year. (currently ~32m) that'd put it between the NES + SNES. remember it's not just pokemon that's coming out. we're getting another zelda, mario maker 2, animal crossing, fire emblem.


i've hardly touched my PS4 since i got a Switch about a year ago lol. the only game i've bought for it since would be RDR2 but i played maybe 10 hours of it and stopped.

" only game i've bought for it since would be RDR2" huh? Ummm ok. Thats just you bud. Many of us bought Resident Evil 2 remake, DMC5, Sekiro, Kingdom Hearts 3 etc. Having a massively hard time believing those ports are beating out multimillion selling AAA high profile titles. That would be like me saying " only game i've bought for it since would be Breath Of The Wild" Because "i got a Ouya about a year ago" as it only questions exactly what you'd really be playing to ignore the large number of AAA releases...

Nothing wrong with Smash Bros, but Smash bros isn't going to replace all those games that released on PS4 and XONE, I'd argue it would question why you don't have both....

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

" only game i've bought for it since would be RDR2" huh? Ummm ok. Thats just you bud. Many of us bought Resident Evil 2 remake, DMC5, Sekiro, Kingdom Hearts 3 etc. Having a massively hard time believing those ports are beating out multimillion selling AAA high profile titles. That would be like me saying " only game i've bought for it since would be Breath Of The Wild" Because "i got a Ouya about a year ago" as it only questions exactly what you'd really be playing to ignore the large number of AAA releases...

Nothing wrong with Smash Bros, but Smash bros isn't going to replace all those games that released on PS4 and XONE, I'd argue it would question why you don't have both....

Maybe he has a PC? All the games you listed are on it.

 

[EDMIX]

It is offering a different option to Sony and Microsoft's Third Party options that appeal to a lot of different demographics.

I would say that the Portability helps as well.

I think it will continue to do well but it has to keep getting exclusives that only work well on Switch that the PS4 or XB1 cannot replicate as well.

Being non-traditional without any gimmicks has helped Nintendo.

Spoiler

I want some SEGA exclusive experimental titles now!

"It is offering a different option to Sony and Microsoft's Third Party options that appeal to a lot of different demographics. " yea I'd disagree with that big time. Its getting mostly the same titles and actually getting less. As in...by default they are not getting "different option". Outside of Nintendo first party (which is moot as it would apply to Sony and MS as well as Nintendo doesn't have a sim racer and they don't anything like what Sony offers) what titles specifically are you even talking about?

" it has to keep getting exclusives that only work well on Switch" ok....its barely getting that right now from 3rd party and even the first party stuff is all stuff that can work on the more powerful PS4 and XONE. I'm sorry folks but hardware stuff like that just isn't the sole reason folks buy games. MOST of what is happening on PS4 can be done on XONE, even the most amazing titles on PS4 likely can work with some tweaking on XONE, will it look 100% the same? Not likely, but it is doable, sooooo lets relax on this weird idea that some magic thing is really happening with the hardware. They just have a set of great teams that make titles for PS4 as to why it moves the units it moves. Not many if any titles I can think of on PS4 that " only work well on PS4". Its just not that MUCH of a leap in tech as developers are what really determine that quality.

Nintendo legit doesn't need any of that to do well as nothing on Switch is really moving units cause it can only be done on Switch (basically nothing). Nintendo established IPs are moving the units they normally move based on their active install bases of consumers.

It would be like saying if Activision made a console that "exclusives that only work well on Acti-BOX" in order for it to keep doing well, yet completely ignore its number 1 selling title is Call Of Duty.....as in the same number 1 selling title it had before.....sooooo maybe they are not doing something magical, maybe those that liked COD, still like COD and will buy COD.

Its might be as simply as that.

 

[EDMIX]

Maybe he has a PC? All the games you listed are on it.

Maybe, this hint tipped me off "hardly touched my PS4" =)

Still weird that anyone would miss alllllll those games. lol That is just way too much to miss without just sounding a bit questionable or a person that actually doesn't even play a large number of games (making the post basically irrelevant tbh)

Even the IP listed are basically the same IP Nintendo has released before... as in "pokemon that's coming out. we're getting another zelda, mario maker 2, animal crossing, fire emblem" Those are all great IP, but....they are also known established property. That isn't really some revelation and simply sounds like they actually would have "hardly touched" any other system for some time as its not as if 3DS or Wii U or Wii or DS etc was not getting those IP. Just way too much being missed on those other AAA 3rd party titles for my taste.

I'm only buying Animal Crossing on that list but I've bought it for Wii, 3DS etc lol buying the next AC doesn't have me missing all the biggest IP on PC, PS4 etc though so.....I"m not sure why anyone would tbh.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Yes, the Switch is the next DS in terms of library size and market adoption.

It will easily surpass the Wii because there is no console-brand-required mechanics implied by the Switch's design. Unlike the Wii, there is no reputation (or stimga, perhaps) that all the games on the console are one particular kind of game. There's no joke about "waggle". There's no stigma about "teh casualz". Not everyone is going to appreciate the Switch, but it doesn't really have any weak spots as far as the brand and value proposition is concerned.

The DS avoided the one-trick-pony reputation and therefore sold much better and got a much broader range of games.

Isn't the Switch's joke the fact that it's mainly remakes and ports?

 

[EDMIX]

Portables are awesome. I don't get why people never got a Vita or the gameboy/ds line but bought the Switch. New Pokemon will easily make a spike in sales, hell I calculate 30 million new users when it launches in November. What worries me is what games will they even have after that? Metroid is stuck in dev hell and so is SMT5 and we haven't heard a thing from Bayonetta 3. Outside budged emblem and the robot game it will have to rely on ports to stay relevant.

"Portables are awesome. I don't get why people never got a Vita or the gameboy/ds line but bought the Switch" I'd say same that bought 3DS are buying the Switch. People stopped buying portable to the same degree as previous generations because of mobile phones becoming more powerful and facebook games. The market just shifted elsewhere and DS moving 150 million turned into 3DS moving 80 and PSP moving 80 million turned into Vita moving 15 million. Its just a different market now.

It makes sense for Nintendo to go all in portable with all of their teams as the market was just larger for them then dedicated home console as in Wii U moving 14 million just didn't sound like a good idea to make another home console, but 80 million 3DS means they still have a fighting chance but they can't keep splitting their install base, thus they must only go portable and focus on 1 sku vs 2.

I think with Metroid, Bayonetta and SMT5, they'll be ok. Those are just not IP that will hurt the system if under performs as those have never been massive IP for the company in the first place. So long as they have Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Pokemon they'll be fine.

 

[EDMIX]

I bought my fiancee a Nintendo Switch for Christmas 2017. She owns three games for it. Mario Kart, which the console came with. Zelda Breath of the Wild and Pokemon Let's Go! Pikachu. She hasn't got any other games and when we go looking for a game, we never seem to find one we really want to play. This is my issue with Nintendo products really, I don't want ports of last gen games that I've already played but there isn't enough in it's future to really make me want to have it. The lack of power means that developers won't really want to port many of their current titles unless they know there is profit to be made and it's worthwhile. Not to say that it doesn't happen because Mortal Kombat 11 got a port. But Resident Evil 2 didn't and Capcom normally perform well on Nintendo platforms. Monster Hunter World hasn't received a Switch port and yet Capcom put all their Monster Hunter egg's in Nintendo's basket after they ditched PSP, so it's a little odd to see.

I don't think a more powerful Switch is necessarily the answer. We just aren't seeing enough unique games to really make it worthwhile. But in today's market, I can't see titles from existing franchises made for a single platform being worthwhile. Like with the Wii, Nintendo had the Resident Evil Chronicles titles, Dead Space Extraction, House of the Dead Overkill, Silent Hill Shattered Memories etc. All these games ended up being ported to other consoles, even in 2010 SH:SM got a PSP and PS2 port. I just think Nintendo need to re-capture that third party support. Get Capcom making Resident Evil and Devil May Cry games for it that are unique and take advantage of the system, get Namco on it, Square etc. Don't just be the same game with a reasonable visual trade off.

If they do that, we'll buy more games and we'll all be happier. But even the last time I went to GAME, there's two gondola's full of Switch games and there's nothing we want to buy or don't already have in better quality. Crash Bandicoot? Mmm, nah, got it on PS4, don't need it again. Dragon's Dogma? Better on PS4. Skyrim? Sheesh, got it on three other platforms already... I'm surprised there isn't a Fallout game on Switch yet, that supposed Fallout 3 remaster for Switch would have been exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. If they're going to just port older titles to the Switch to fill out the catalogue and test the waters, at least make sure they're the definitive version.

". She hasn't got any other games and when we go looking for a game, we never seem to find one we really want to play. This is my issue with Nintendo products really, I don't want ports of last gen games that I've already played but there isn't enough in it's future to really make me want to have it. The lack of power means that developers won't really want to port many of their current titles unless they know there is profit to be made and it's worthwhile."

Facts.

This is why I don't buy this whole thing of folks pretending this is the second coming or something revolutionary is happening. Nintendo systems are still only here for NINTENDO fans, they have not made much new IP to really move away from that image but have double downed on that Disney, happy go lucky, family friendly, kid friendly image. Its just too much of a house that Nintendo built and that is a issue for 3rd party. They need to know that they can put their established IP on Nintendo systems and actually have them do well, but that becomes an issue when the majority have only bought it for 1 publishers games. Its just something you don't see on Sony or MS systems.

" I just think Nintendo need to re-capture that third party support. Get Capcom making Resident Evil and Devil May Cry games for it that are unique and take advantage of the system" I don't know if we'll see that again. I'd argue that hurt Capcom more then helped them. The majority install base of fans of those IP just exist elsewhere and anything that can even be made to take advantage of Switch can exist by default on PS4 and XONE.

The issue simply becomes......do they want to gimp a game so badly to release on all 4 platforms that, 1 of which moves their titles at the least amount of units while also having to compete with better looking games running exclusively on better hardware? Making RE2 on Switch would almost be like making a last gen looking game, what happens when EA says (Look, RE2 is being made for Switch too, time to take advantage and make Dead Space 4 ONLY on PC, PS4 and XONE and make it as beastly as we can make it, Konami walks in the room smiling) lol

Its just too much pressure for them as remember, they still need to compete with other publishers.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

We'll see how unstoppable it is when next-gen comes cruising along, I think we'll see one of the largest falloff percentages in recorded history.

 

[Cattlyst]

I actually just bought a Switch last week and I was pretty surprised by just how many games there are on the store. It's a great system. My Vita and 3DS will probably be retired now...

 

[kraspkibble]

" only game i've bought for it since would be RDR2" huh? Ummm ok. Thats just you bud. Many of us bought Resident Evil 2 remake, DMC5, Sekiro, Kingdom Hearts 3 etc. Having a massively hard time believing those ports are beating out multimillion selling AAA high profile titles. That would be like me saying " only game i've bought for it since would be Breath Of The Wild" Because "i got a Ouya about a year ago" as it only questions exactly what you'd really be playing to ignore the large number of AAA releases...

Nothing wrong with Smash Bros, but Smash bros isn't going to replace all those games that released on PS4 and XONE, I'd argue it would question why you don't have both....

yeah no shit....i was just pointing out that i'm enjoying my Switch way more than my PS4 because i've only bought one game on PS4 since i got my Switch. i wasn't saying that switch games are out selling RDR2 lmfao. stop putting words into my mouth.

Maybe he has a PC? All the games you listed are on it.

i do have a PC and it is my main platform

We'll see how unstoppable it is when next-gen comes cruising along, I think we'll see one of the largest falloff percentages in recorded history.

lol wut.

i reckon most people buy a Switch to play pokemon, mario, zelda, animal crossing, smash. funny how none of those games are on Playstation/Xbox....so why would Nintendo be worried about next gen consoles? OK maybe a lot of people also buy games for Switch for the portability but most of them are small 2d/indie/esport/old titles. again next gen consoles won't affect those kind of games coming to Switch. the only really large AAA titles that the Switch got would be Skyrim (6 years after it came out on consoles) and Doom which to be fair is an impressive port.

it's OK if you don't like the Switch but if you think next gen consoles are gonna cause a mass decline in sales for Switch then you're deluded.

 

[Lemillion]

I might buy another Switch soon. Should I wait until after E3 to see if new hardware is announced though? Also, what are some of the store games? When I had one a couple of years ago there wasn't much. I'd absolutely love it if there were games like Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, and the Punch-Out series on there.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

"Portables are awesome. I don't get why people never got a Vita or the gameboy/ds line but bought the Switch" I'd say same that bought 3DS are buying the Switch. People stopped buying portable to the same degree as previous generations because of mobile phones becoming more powerful and facebook games. The market just shifted elsewhere and DS moving 150 million turned into 3DS moving 80 and PSP moving 80 million turned into Vita moving 15 million. Its just a different market now.

It makes sense for Nintendo to go all in portable with all of their teams as the market was just larger for them then dedicated home console as in Wii U moving 14 million just didn't sound like a good idea to make another home console, but 80 million 3DS means they still have a fighting chance but they can't keep splitting their install base, thus they must only go portable and focus on 1 sku vs 2.

I think with Metroid, Bayonetta and SMT5, they'll be ok. Those are just not IP that will hurt the system if under performs as those have never been massive IP for the company in the first place. So long as they have Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Pokemon they'll be fine.

Oh no I was just following the stigma surrounding portables. Plenty of "people" think it is weird to game in public but not look at their fucking phone.

 

[yet_another_alt]

Oh no I was just following the stigma surrounding portables. Plenty of "people" think it is weird to game in public but not look at their fucking phone.

To be fair shitposting on your phone is more entertaining than playing a video game.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

To be fair shitposting on your phone is more entertaining than playing a video game.

If gaming ever became that to me I'd quit all the gaming forums I frequent and sell all my shit.

 

[Dontero]

It is home console and handheld console in one for which Nintendo sacrificed one platform which alone sold a lot of consoles. It would be weird if they didn't sell 100mln with combined output of all of their studios on single console.

The problem still stays though. It is very weak hardware thus most of current games will skip it simply because they won't be able to port their games without extensive engine rework.

 

[fallingdove]

i reckon most people buy a Switch to play pokemon, mario, zelda, animal crossing, smash. funny how none of those games are on Playstation/Xbox....so why would Nintendo be worried about next gen consoles? OK maybe a lot of people also buy games for Switch for the portability but most of them are small 2d/indie/esport/old titles. again next gen consoles won't affect those kind of games coming to Switch. the only really large AAA titles that the Switch got would be Skyrim (6 years after it came out on consoles) and Doom which to be fair is an impressive port.

it's OK if you don't like the Switch but if you think next gen consoles are gonna cause a mass decline in sales for Switch then you're deluded.

I think you are underestimating the power of next generation console releases from 2/3 of the big three plus 2 new contenders entering the fray. When everyone is talking about the next wave of 4K and ray traced games, as well as cloud streaming/play anywhere on any device - 16 bit indie games simply wont be able to compete for mind share.

I have no doubt that the switch (with a potential hardware revision) will still do relatively well, but it is not going to be putting up the numbers it is now.

*That doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy Switch by the way - it is a solid console and will be regardless of what Sony and Microsoft have in store.

 

[Hellblueboy]

I wished.
With the direction Sony take recently, the success of Nintendo should keep Sony power in checked.

 

[MagnesG]

I think you are underestimating the power of next generation console releases from 2/3 of the big three plus 2 new contenders entering the fray. When everyone is talking about the next wave of 4K and ray traced games, as well as cloud streaming/play anywhere on any device - 16 bit indie games simply wont be able to compete for mind share.

I have no doubt that the switch (with a potential hardware revision) will still do relatively well, but it is not going to be putting up the numbers it is now.

*That doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy Switch by the way - it is a solid console and will be regardless of what Sony and Microsoft have in store.

Keep in mind development cycles would only become longer and longer due to that. Those tech are still not mainstream and people are already soured on it. Casuals would not touch 16 bit indies, especially on cloud streams, and I for one will continue supporting them as long as there's a viable platform.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Well I recently got one to replace my Vita as a travel console and to have something I can lay in bed and play casually. Since Im new, there is quite a few games to chose from but even I can see the slow output. I think its good to have for the reasons I listed above but overall its always the same. All their games come down to voiceless protagonists, always collecting some letters or stars and minimalistic or non existent story. They havent moved that mindset since the 80s so I think the competition has way way deeper and better games. But casual stuff, ye ill turn on my Switch but its nothing compared to my PS4 and PC as in game enjoyment.

 

[Starlight Lotice]

"It is offering a different option to Sony and Microsoft's Third Party options that appeal to a lot of different demographics. " yea I'd disagree with that big time. Its getting mostly the same titles and actually getting less. As in...by default they are not getting "different option". Outside of Nintendo first party (which is moot as it would apply to Sony and MS as well as Nintendo doesn't have a sim racer and they don't anything like what Sony offers) what titles specifically are you even talking about?

" it has to keep getting exclusives that only work well on Switch" ok....its barely getting that right now from 3rd party and even the first party stuff is all stuff that can work on the more powerful PS4 and XONE. I'm sorry folks but hardware stuff like that just isn't the sole reason folks buy games. MOST of what is happening on PS4 can be done on XONE, even the most amazing titles on PS4 likely can work with some tweaking on XONE, will it look 100% the same? Not likely, but it is doable, sooooo lets relax on this weird idea that some magic thing is really happening with the hardware. They just have a set of great teams that make titles for PS4 as to why it moves the units it moves. Not many if any titles I can think of on PS4 that " only work well on PS4". Its just not that MUCH of a leap in tech as developers are what really determine that quality.

Nintendo legit doesn't need any of that to do well as nothing on Switch is really moving units cause it can only be done on Switch (basically nothing). Nintendo established IPs are moving the units they normally move based on their active install bases of consumers.

It would be like saying if Activision made a console that "exclusives that only work well on Acti-BOX" in order for it to keep doing well, yet completely ignore its number 1 selling title is Call Of Duty.....as in the same number 1 selling title it had before.....sooooo maybe they are not doing something magical, maybe those that liked COD, still like COD and will buy COD.

Its might be as simply as that.

Right, so because Nintendo are not getting the Big Western AAA titles, they are getting less and the same titles? Please tell me you can get Dragon: Marked for Death, Monster Boy and the like on the PS4/XB1. Stating that Nintendo's First Party is a moot point does dilute your argument here because the whole point of them is for you to buy their products over Sony's/Microsoft's.

"Doesn't have a Sim Racer", I am not sure if this matters or not given you can play Need for Speed, Forza and Gran Turismo on PS4/XB1 to which the latter two are exclusives to their own consoles.

I have never stated that Nintendo's Hardware is some magic thing Sony or Microsoft can't do, nor do I disagree that it would benefit from new Hardware, but let's be realistic here, having games on the most powerful hardware such as the Pro and X does mean more resources to make them the best, therefore more budget and less profit.

Nintendo doesn't have to have powerful hardware to make great games, and at the end of the day the companies involved want to make money. I honestly don't think having similar hardware matters all that much, because having the XB1 and PS4 do the exact same thing, but one has the Third Parties and the other doesn't is always going to make people buy the one with the most.

By that same token, Mario should be put on Sony and Microsofts consoles because people will buy Mario no matter what, right? Nintendo's not stupid enough to get out of the Hardware race just to please those who want better graphics at the cost of their bottom line and give royalties to another company for the privilege.

We've all seen what happened to SEGA when they pulled out, their exclusives are all over the place, and they have to cater to every market in a scattershot approach.

You may not like what Nintendo does because it's different to the competition, but it makes them money and they do have exclusives that would work better for Switch than the PS4/XB1, if not for the portability factor, but the demographic they cater to as well.

I don't buy Western AAA games anyway, but I would be okay if they were on Nintendo's system as well as it provides a choice.

Someone mentioned not wanting last gen ports, and I do agree with that, because I played them on Wii U, but if Nintendo wants to do that and make money on them, then that's fine as it does bolster the library somewhat and those who boycotted the Wii U can buy them on the Switch, it's just a hard pill to swallow for the Wii U owners.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Isn't the Switch's joke the fact that it's mainly remakes and ports?

Have you looked up the DS's library lately?

 

[Ulysses 31]

7 of the top 10 video game best sellers on amazon.de are Switch games!

 

[Scopa]

7 of the top 10 video game best sellers on amazon.de are Switch games!

Filthy casuals!

 

[Elcid]

When Sword and Shield come out it'll probably sell even more ridiculous numbers, UNTIL PS5 then those sales will likely plummet.

 

[LucidFeuer]

Not sure why but since earlier this year all my friends started telling me they want to get a Switch. Maybe it has something to do with the release of Smash Brothers?

At my office people are playing Smash Bros all day.

Is Switch becoming the next Nintendo juggernaut? Could it even become the next Wii? (in terms of mainstream popularity)

I think the Switch is a cheap console with a missed (not failed but missed) concept. But for the little that it has, the design being okay, the joycon being amazing, the graphics meh but made-up by games like Mario Odyssey, Smash or tierce stuff like Let's Go! (which will probably be better than Pokemon 8 I have no interest for), Link's Awakening...well there's SOME appeal, but it's not enough yet.

So while I "want" to eventually get a Switch, there's just not enough incentives for me to do so yet and I think that's the case for the majority that haven't gotten one yet.

 

[LucidFeuer]

When Sword and Shield come out it'll probably sell even more ridiculous numbers, UNTIL PS5 then those sales will likely plummet.

I don't think it will, I think it'll be a failure. None of the people I know that like Pokemon (so I'm not talking about fans who already got one for either Nintendo or Let's Go! which is much more appealing than 8), plan on getting a Switch or Pokemon 8 because of how crap, outdated and uninspired it looks.

 

[juliotendo]

If I’m correct I believe switch momentum is actually slowing down.

Nintendo needs to push more first party software and use their existing giant catalog of older IP to re introduce them on the platform ASAP.

In my opinion, Nintendo has been slow to release quality first party titles.

 

[Spukc]

nintendo switch is a good console

 

[EverydayBeast]

PS4 is still the best in gaming, who would have thought the Switch would be this good though? Could you imagine if the Switch followed the Wii instead of the laughable Wii U?

 

[V2Tommy]

I would only want one for Xenoblade 2, like I bought a Wii U for Xenoblade X. If you exclude Nintendo properties (not my thing) it’s not such a great system for all.

 

[Lemillion]

Would it make sense to buy a Switch right now? Or should I wait until after E3 to see if there is new hardware announced? Also, how does a Switch look on a 4K display?

 

[CrankyJay™]

I haven’t really touched my Switch since launch, and I only play the first party games it seems. I’m not a brawl fan, so what other than that can I catch up on?

 

[Scopa]

I haven’t really touched my Switch since launch, and I only play the first party games it seems. I’m not a brawl fan, so what other than that can I catch up on?

It’s hard to recommend games when I don’t know your tastes.

Not sure how accurate it is, but according to Wikipedia, the Switch has over 1600 games. There’s a fuckton. I’m sure you can find something you like on there.

Personally, I’m struggling to find enough hours in the day to play all the Switch games I want to play. My Switch backlog is ridiculous.

 

[Boaty McBoatface]

I wanted to get one but holy hell are the games expensive here!

$90 a pop here in AU whereas some PS4 games go on sale down to $30 sometimes, even bought RDR 2 for $45 at release, nearly half retail price.

Switch is just too expensive to own here.

 

[CrankyJay™]

It’s hard to recommend games when I don’t know your tastes.

Not sure how accurate it is, but according to Wikipedia, the Switch has over 1600 games. There’s a fuckton. I’m sure you can find something you like on there.

Personally, I’m struggling to find enough hours in the day to play all the Switch games I want to play. My Switch backlog is ridiculous.

If it helps, my main console is PS4. I prefer to play on my TV with the Switch.

I own Mario, Mario Kart, and Zelda.

I love the Metroid Prime series. So I was hoping for an update on that. Not much into FPS games these days.

I also probably wouldn’t buy a Switch game that I could also buy on the PS4, which primarily means I’m looking for Switch exclusive games.

 

[Halo is Back]

I would love to play it but the only games I’m interested in rn all come out in the fall. Rest assured when Animal Crossing comes out I will be playing it hat bitch every day lol

 

[Danjin44]

If it helps, my main console is PS4. I prefer to play on my TV with the Switch.

I own Mario, Mario Kart, and Zelda.

I love the Metroid Prime series. So I was hoping for an update on that. Not much into FPS games these days.

I also probably wouldn’t buy a Switch game that I could also buy on the PS4, which primarily means I’m looking for Switch exclusive games.

These are the biggest games I personally looking forward for Switch, you might want to see any of them interest you.

 

[MagnesG]

I don't think it will, I think it'll be a failure. None of the people I know that like Pokemon (so I'm not talking about fans who already got one for either Nintendo or Let's Go! which is much more appealing than 8), plan on getting a Switch or Pokemon 8 because of how crap, outdated and uninspired it looks.

Now I want to know what is a failure to you for SS. Last Pokemon SM on 3ds sold 16 million, with remakes 8 million. On 3ds it looks like crap, tons of people still bought it, and pokemon graphics are only getting better from here. Did any of your friends who like pokemon bought these? Imo people want to play pokemon for monster catching mostly, graphics and such doesn’t matter that much.

I don’t understand the notion of it being outdated and uninspired though. Care to elaborate?

 

[EDMIX]

Right, so because Nintendo are not getting the Big Western AAA titles, they are getting less and the same titles? Please tell me you can get Dragon: Marked for Death, Monster Boy and the like on the PS4/XB1. Stating that Nintendo's First Party is a moot point does dilute your argument here because the whole point of them is for you to buy their products over Sony's/Microsoft's.

"Doesn't have a Sim Racer", I am not sure if this matters or not given you can play Need for Speed, Forza and Gran Turismo on PS4/XB1 to which the latter two are exclusives to their own consoles.

I have never stated that Nintendo's Hardware is some magic thing Sony or Microsoft can't do, nor do I disagree that it would benefit from new Hardware, but let's be realistic here, having games on the most powerful hardware such as the Pro and X does mean more resources to make them the best, therefore more budget and less profit.

Nintendo doesn't have to have powerful hardware to make great games, and at the end of the day the companies involved want to make money. I honestly don't think having similar hardware matters all that much, because having the XB1 and PS4 do the exact same thing, but one has the Third Parties and the other doesn't is always going to make people buy the one with the most.

By that same token, Mario should be put on Sony and Microsofts consoles because people will buy Mario no matter what, right? Nintendo's not stupid enough to get out of the Hardware race just to please those who want better graphics at the cost of their bottom line and give royalties to another company for the privilege.

We've all seen what happened to SEGA when they pulled out, their exclusives are all over the place, and they have to cater to every market in a scattershot approach.

You may not like what Nintendo does because it's different to the competition, but it makes them money and they do have exclusives that would work better for Switch than the PS4/XB1, if not for the portability factor, but the demographic they cater to as well.

I don't buy Western AAA games anyway, but I would be okay if they were on Nintendo's system as well as it provides a choice.

Someone mentioned not wanting last gen ports, and I do agree with that, because I played them on Wii U, but if Nintendo wants to do that and make money on them, then that's fine as it does bolster the library somewhat and those who boycotted the Wii U can buy them on the Switch, it's just a hard pill to swallow for the Wii U owners.

" because Nintendo are not getting the Big Western AAA titles, they are getting less " Indeed. That is how math works.

They are not simply missing "big western AAA titles"

DMC5, Sekiro, Resident Evil 2, Kingdom Hearts 3 and that is just this spring. By default they can't actually have more, its mathematically impossible and they are likely to have in the ball park of the same series you've seen them have for their past handhelds, consoles etc.

"mean more resources to make them the best, therefore more budget and less profit. " ??? huh? Ok...thats off topic and not the point. The reality is titles exist on PC, PS4 and XONE that clearly can't exist on Switch and that will continue clearly with PS5, Nextbox etc. The point is a larger install base exist that demands those titles on PC, PC and XB and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

"Nintendo doesn't have to have powerful hardware to make great games "

Never stated they did.

"the companies involved want to make money." Ok, they can't do that if the hardware doesn't support the title that they are making. They can't ignore a install base on PC, PS and XB combined to focus on one that is not only smaller, but has a history of not buying 3rd party titles to the same degree on top of having hardware that is weaker costing them to spend more money on development to cater the game to weaker hardware. It would be like asking them to make a game for PS3 or 360 etc. The job might be more costly then the return as to why you don't see titles like RE2 or DMC5 etc on Switch.

"By that same token, Mario should be put on Sony and Microsofts consoles because people will buy Mario no matter what, right? Nintendo's not stupid enough to get out of the Hardware race" ? No one stated that but you. I've never suggested that and you did to argue.

"You may not like what Nintendo does " Never stated that either, I'm actually going to buy a Switch for Animal Crossing..... Maybe read the post completely.

"I don't buy Western AAA games anyway" ? ok, DMC5, Resident Evil 2 remake, Sekrio, Kingdom Hearts 3....you don't play those series either or? Its just too much content not to buy to the point where it begins to get a bit ridiculous. Like the majority of the year nothing is coming out of significance ridiculous. As to why I'm buying it for Animal Crossing, I'm not buying a Switch to then watch other systems get games and proceed to " don't buy".

So.....I'd rather actually play Resident Evil 2 remake, DMC5, KH3, Division 2 ,Days Gone, on top of the new Star Wars coming out ON TOP OF ANIMAL CROSSING. It makes very little sense to basically miss 95% of the biggest titles releasing my friend.

 

[EDMIX]

Oh no I was just following the stigma surrounding portables. Plenty of "people" think it is weird to game in public but not look at their fucking phone.

I don't know if I'd say all that. I think the market just shift to phones.

 

[Danjin44]

@ EDMIX : I personally bought Switch for its first and third party exclusives and I would say most people who bought Switch for that very reason. I think people who want their AAA mutiplatform games already either own PC, PS4 and Xbox. At end of day people who bought Switch didn't buy it to get games games that also coming to PS4 and Xbox, they bought it because for the games that doesn't come out in any other systems.

 

[EDMIX]

@ EDMIX : I personally bought Switch for its first and third party exclusives and I would say most people who bought Switch for that very reason. I think people who want their AAA mutiplatform games already either own PC, PS4 and Xbox. At end of day people who bought Switch didn't buy it to get games games that also coming to PS4 and Xbox, they bought it because for the game that doesn't come out in any other systems.

Agreed. As to why I think you won't see that install base on PC, PS or XB move over. If you like Resident Evil or MGS or Final Fantasy, Call Of Duty etc Those are series you want to play day 1, want to play all entries etc, not wait, skip many generations and then hope for releases. So they've just burned too many bridges with gamers with that inconsistent hardware that the dust has sorta settled. Folks understand that they buy Nintendo systems for exclusives and those few 3rd party exclusives and everything else PC, PS XB etc.

Nintendo has created this atmosphere and it hurts 3rd party, but they have no ode to make another Wii U when their own install base with that power won't even buy much 3rd party titles in the first place. So it made sense for all parties for Nintendo to just go only handheld and forgo any focus on power in terms of competing with PS, XB etc.

Look at 3DS, it has moved over 80 million without many, many massive series. It is just a install base that is foremost there for Nintendo IP. Nintendo made their bed and I can't say its a bad choice considering their place this gen with Wii U and the decline of portables. It makes complete sense to go 100% in the portable market. I don't think that much if any massive amount was really buying Switch to play non-Nintendo IP.

I'm legit almost getting the exact IP I bought for DS, 3DS lol

Animal Crossing, SMTV, The next Bravely Default, Mario Kart.

 

[Jubenhimer]

At end of day people who bought Switch didn't buy it to get games games that also coming to PS4 and Xbox, they bought it because for the games that doesn't come out in any other systems.

Not necessarily. The portability of the Switch gives it a leg up for a lot of multiplatform games as well, especially if the Switch version is good.

 

[EDMIX]

Not necessarily. The portability of the Switch gives it a leg up for a lot of multiplatform games as well, especially if the Switch version is good.

Ok....but its a moot point. Same could be said for PSP, DS, 3DS etc. For many, playing with less features, lower resolution, frame rate etc just isn't a trade off that they want. its not as if other portables have not had those series, by that logic you should expect many to be playing PS Vita considering its remote play feature could play almost all PS4 games without much issue.

This is not the first Nintendo portable, thus those concepts are 100% known by gamers enough to realize that if they didn't want to play their games on 3DS, Vita before, I don't see them suddenly changing their minds.

It would be like saying...if you will "The power of the PS4 gives it a leg up for a lot of multiplatform games as well, especially when the majority of the time the PS4 version is good"

Ummmm ok. That can be stated about PS4, but....that could be stated about PS3 vs 3DS, PS2 vs DS, PS1 vs GBA and on and on. Its a moot point. Its basically ignoring that its already established and gamers already know this, voted with their wallets what they want and are aware of the trade offs.

So next gen, PS5 will likely be in the same ball park as PS4. It will likely have the best multiplatform titles considering many of them won't even have Switch versions by default. Does that mean people who want Switch, WON'T want it and will want PS5 instead?

Well...you'd have to question, why the change of heart? Its not as if PS4 to PS5 is changing that situation I just gave. Apply that to portable and you now can see how that is moot.

 

[Jubenhimer]

Ok....but its a moot point. Same could be said for PSP, DS, 3DS etc. For many, playing with less features, lower resolution, frame rate etc just isn't a trade off that they want. its not as if other portables have not had those series, by that logic you should expect many to be playing PS Vita considering its remote play feature could play almost all PS4 games without much issue.

Remote play is limited because it requires you to have 2 consoles plus a stable internet connection. It's a nice feature, but it's not as simple to use as the native hardware of platforms like the Switch.

This is not the first Nintendo portable, thus those concepts are 100% known by gamers enough to realize that if they didn't want to play their games on 3DS, Vita before, I don't see them suddenly changing their minds.

The difference is that portable versions of console games in the past were more often than not, custom built versions that barely resembled their big screen counterparts. Vita tried, but poor software sales and limited audience killed it. Switch is the first one to really get it right because it also doubles as an actual console as well, thus expanding its utility.

It would be like saying...if you will "The power of the PS4 gives it a leg up for a lot of multiplatform games as well, especially when the majority of the time the PS4 version is good"

Ummmm ok. That can be stated about PS4, but....that could be stated about PS3 vs 3DS, PS2 vs DS, PS1 vs GBA and on and on. Its a moot point. Its basically ignoring that its already established and gamers already know this, voted with their wallets what they want and are aware of the trade offs.

Well as I said, Switch versions of console games aren't completely seperate games that hardly play like the bigger versions. They ARE the bigger versions, they're just downgraded to fit on the specs of the system. Mobile technology still isn't up to consoles, but it's come a long way since the DS and PSP days, where the vast majority of modern engines can run on mobile platforms, allowing for easy porting. And if the sales of these games on Switch are anything to go by, people will buy the Switch version if they can take it with them.

So next gen, PS5 will likely be in the same ball park as PS4. It will likely have the best multiplatform titles considering many of them won't even have Switch versions by default. Does that mean people who want Switch, WON'T want it and will want PS5 instead?

Of course not, because the Switch will still get plenty of the lower-teir multiplatform titles even going into next gen as those don't have nearly as much graphical or computational fidelity, and are thus easier to port. Multiplatform ownership is a thing, especially increasingly so as the market begins to fragment. People can own a PS5 and a Switch.