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[LordOfChaos]

Xbox Scarlett's Final Design Will Be A "Cool Looking, New Thing" -

During Microsoft’s E3 2019 press briefing, we got some new information on the next generation Xbox console currently going under the code name as Xbox Scarlett. They revealed some specs and new technology that will be powering the new console and revealed that new console is slated to come late...

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Sounds great. Panos Paney and his Surface team are likely designi g scarlett for them.

Hope this gen steps up build quality as the X did. Especially around controllers. Still lots of little issues I have with the DS4, they're not really cheap for something that is still kinda creaky and has sharp edges and has the joysticks develop groves in the sticks, even in the last revision.

And I need Panos to get on stage alternating between screaming and whispering things at the reveal keynote, he is by far Microsofts best presenter (though Phil is next)

 

[FrostyJ93]

Hope this gen steps up build quality as the X did. Especially around controllers. Still lots of little issues I have with the DS4, they're not really cheap for something that is still kinda creaky and has sharp edges and has the joysticks develop groves in the sticks, even in the last revision.

And I need Panos to get on stage alternating between screaming and whispering things at the reveal keynote, he is by far Microsofts best presenter (though Phil is next)

I'd kinda like slighlty rounded corners as well as the dual tone look to return ala One S. Simple yet sophisticated.

 

[SonGoku]

So looks like that RuthenicCookie guy on reddit definitely has inside knowledge

RuthenicCookie who broke news of Sony not going to E3 says PS5 is a Monster (Details inside)

with ps4 they changed ram numbers right up to the Reveal in Feb. all leaks and i mean all, for orbis, were 4gb of GDDR5

Yep, makes no sense to reveal hard numbers like TF and memory that are subject to change this far in advanced let alone before a formal reveal
Neither one wants to reveal a TF figure this early, only to be one uped by the competition with a followup announcement, Its a PR nightmare waiting to happen.

Clock speeds and cooling solution can change still.

 

[hboyce1]

How much torque am I going to get out of that PS5? I need to go 0-60 in as little as six seconds, so my requirements are pretty demanding.

 

[vpance]

RuthenicCookie who broke news of Sony not going to E3 says PS5 is a Monster (Details inside)

No 1.5-2 years from now, It’s coming out in 2020. They want March 2020 but might get pushed to November 2020

If Sony can pull off March 2020 launch, then it's GG MS.

And just in time for 2077

 

[SonGoku]

If Sony can pull off March 2020 launch, then it's GG MS.

And just in time for 2077

Late 2020 is much more likely not just because of hw but games as well

 

[vpance]

Late 2020 is much more likely not just because of hw but games as well

A bunch of games could get a nice boost if PS5 launched in March. Like FF7, TLoU2, WD.

Judging by the leaks it seems Sony is ahead in development by quite a bit compared to MS.

 

[SonGoku]

A bunch of games could get a nice boost if PS5 launched in March. Like FF7, TLoU2, WD.

up ports dont exactly instill confidence on a next gen console, the pro and x already did that. They need to differentiate as a clean cut gen with launch exclusives.

Judging by the leaks it seems Sony is ahead in development by quite a bit compared to MS.

Leak says March-November. If it was march Sony wouldn't have skipped E3
Scarlett is November

I think it'll be similar to the ps4/xbone launch

 

[bitbydeath]

If Sony can pull off March 2020 launch, then it's GG MS.

And just in time for 2077

From Sonys earning call.
Won’t release til the back half of 2020.

PS5 won't launch before mid-2020

Sony's next-gen console is a while off yet

www.techradar.com

 

[StreetsofBeige]

PS5 will be fall 2020 like Scarlett.

If PS5 launches in March 2020, it would mean Sony would be shipping consoles from Asia to global locactions asap starting probably right after the Christmas rush. So maybe Jan 2020 so stores have it in time to put on shelves in March?

I don't know how fast consoles can be manufactured, but that would mean Sony would be mass producing PS5's in Q4 in the millions. Maybe even start in Q3 if yields aren't great.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

From Sonys earning call.
Won’t release til the back half of 2020.

PS5 won't launch before mid-2020

Sony's next-gen console is a while off yet

www.techradar.com

Ah, good to see that March 2020 rumour debunked. Who knows which person or post it was that said March 2020.

 

[ethomaz]

From Sonys earning call.
Won’t release til the back half of 2020.

PS5 won't launch before mid-2020

Sony's next-gen console is a while off yet

www.techradar.com

Actually they said that won’t release until next fiscal year... so not before March 31, 2020.

But some weird journalist took that claim as it won’t release in the next 12 months.

 

[ethomaz]

Ah, good to see that March 2020 rumour debunked. Who knows which person or post it was that said March 2020.

Well it can be released in April.
Pretty hard to happen but possible.

 

[TLZ]

Anyone seen this before? https://pastebin.com/yCa2XzVu

I know it's pastebin of course. I was bored and thought I'd search for "playstation 5" and found that in the list.

Is there any other way to search for leaks? Or is this simply it?

 

[stetiger]

You mean late 2018 right?
A chip tape out design can happen 1-2 years in advanced, that doesn't make it viable for mass production: low yields and extensive testing required

Calculations point towards a 64CU-72CU GPU fitting on a 380-400 mm2 die RT sillicon included

Lastly a 400mm2 die on 7nm would translate to ~320 mm2 on 7nm EUV. That would mean 56-64CUs (enabled) at 1.8GHz. Goddamn

dude you are the craziest person on neogaf. Nothing points to a 380-400mm2 square silicon, except for you wishing for some of those specs.

 

[CyberPanda]

Anyone seen this before? https://pastebin.com/yCa2XzVu

I know it's pastebin of course. I was bored and thought I'd search for "playstation 5" and found that in the list.

Is there any other way to search for leaks? Or is this simply it?

Ignore all pastebins. Anyone can write them up. Treat it like fan fiction lol.

 

[vpance]

Actually they said that won’t release until next fiscal year... so not before March 31, 2020.

But some weird journalist took that claim as it won’t release in the next 12 months.

Exactly, April or May is still possible. A ton of great games launching around that time can only help build hype too. Plus I'd rather play them on PS5 and not my vacuum cleaner Pro.

 

[SonGoku]

Nothing points to a 380-400mm2 square silicon

???
Scarlett 385 mm2 shot...
But sure nothing points towards that, let's just pretend to be dumb

 

[TLZ]

Ignore all pastebins. Anyone can write them up. Treat it like fan fiction lol.

I'm bored...

 

[CyberPanda]

I'm bored...

Watch some Netflix?

 

[ArabianPrynce]

Anyone seen this before? https://pastebin.com/yCa2XzVu

I know it's pastebin of course. I was bored and thought I'd search for "playstation 5" and found that in the list.

Is there any other way to search for leaks? Or is this simply it?

i stopped as i soon as i saw ps5 + lmao

 

[TLZ]

Watch some Netflix?

Bored of that too. I spend more time flicking through than actually watching.

Meh. I'll go play some Steamworld Dig 2. I'm addicted to it.

But I still need muh specs! F it. Don't care anymore. Even if they're both 1 gflop, just release the official specs already. This is torture!

 

[DemonCleaner]

Nothing points to a 380-400mm2 square silicon, except for you wishing for some of those specs.

Next Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]

I speculate that all Next-Gen Console DevKits are NOT in their Final Form and won't be until Spring 2020. What they're using now is a mix of AMD Navi GPU with separate hardware for the RayTracing aspects. They wont be assembled in a single SOC until next year when RDNA 2 hits. I think more like...

forum.beyond3d.com

 

[Imtjnotu]

Ignore all pastebins. Anyone can write them up. Treat it like fan fiction lol.

Kugoson pastebin is still the most accurate leak we have

 

[TLZ]

Kugoson pastebin is still the most accurate leak we have

How many are there?

 

[bhunachicken]

I reckon both PS5 and Xbox Scarlett will launch in September, within just a couple of weeks of one another.

Europe will get them in October. Japan in Jan 2021.

I'd pick mine up in Easter 2021. Oof, that's a long way off.

 

[Wesleyalucard]

Will the next Xbox even launch in Europe?

 

[CyberPanda]

Kugoson pastebin is still the most accurate leak we have

Who the fuck is Kugoanasnana?

 

[Pug]

Will the next Xbox even launch in Europe?

Of course it will, what a ridiculous question.

 

[TLZ]

Who the fuck is Kugoanasnana?

SonGoku's secret insider.

 

[CyberPanda]

SonGoku's secret insider.

Oh that fucker. Lol I forgot how he made that pastebin and fooled many. damn your tricks SonGoku

 

[R600]

Still standing by my prediction.

PS5 :

Die size 315-350mm2
Zen2 @3.2GHz
Navi 8.3-9TF (36/40CUs @1.8GHz boost)
20GB of GDDR6
Some sort of RT hardware
1TB SSD
500$

Scarlett

Die size 360-390mm2
Zen2 @3.2GHz
Navi 9TF - 9.5TF (44/48CUs @1.6GHz)
20GB GDDR6
Hardware RT
1TB SSD
500$ maybe more

 

[Aceofspades]

Still standing by my prediction.

PS5 :

Die size 315-350mm2
Zen2 @3.2GHz
Navi 8.3-9TF (36/40CUs @1.8GHz boost)
20GB of GDDR6
Some sort of RT hardware
1TB SSD
500$

Scarlett

Die size 360-390mm2
Zen2 @3.2GHz
Navi 9TF - 9.5TF (44/48CUs @1.6GHz)
20GB GDDR6
Hardware RT
1TB SSD
500$ maybe more

So now we have Hardware RT, software RT and "sort of HW RT"

 

[R600]

So now we have Hardware RT, software RT and "sort of HW RT"

Sorry this was copy of my last post. Think both have pretty much the same version of hardware RT that will be found in Radeons from 2020 on.

 

[FrostyJ93]

Still standing by my prediction.

PS5 :

Die size 315-350mm2
Zen2 @3.2GHz
Navi 8.3-9TF (36/40CUs @1.8GHz boost)
20GB of GDDR6
Some sort of RT hardware
1TB SSD
500$

Scarlett

Die size 360-390mm2
Zen2 @3.2GHz
Navi 9TF - 9.5TF (44/48CUs @1.6GHz)
20GB GDDR6
Hardware RT
1TB SSD
500$ maybe more

Sounds reasonable/ realistic but I expect 16GB rather than 20.

 

[R600]

Sounds reasonable/ realistic but I expect 16GB rather than 20.

Yea, 16GB + pool of 4GB DDR4

 

[-kb-]

Yea, 16GB + pool of 4GB DDR4

Im not sure a dual memory pool setup makes sense. All it really does is increase the size, heat and power draw of the SoC and make sharing data between the GPU and CPU slower and more difficult.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Will the next Xbox even launch in Europe?

The real questions are: How many tiers this time and how many months from initial release to the last tier release?
By the time X1 released here in Portugal everybody that wanted a console already had a PS4 and nobody even noticed that the X1 was already being sold by retailers.

 

[xPikYx]

I think both consoles will be launched fall 2020, with a PlayStation announcement around february 2020 in special event and more at next e3 with exact date of launch

 

[TBiddy]

The real questions are: How many tiers this time and how many months from initial release to the last tier release?
By the time X1 released here in Portugal everybody that wanted a console already had a PS4 and nobody even noticed that the X1 was already being sold by retailers.

Lets hope Microsoft learned from their mistakes.

 

[quest]

Lets hope Microsoft learned from their mistakes.

There was no mistake the EU is Sony land no matter what they do. They could crap in a box and it would sell in main land EU. MS might as well put resources in places they might sell consoles honestly.

 

[ABrokenToy]

I think I found MisterXMedia

 

[IceManCat]

Hypothetically, if a next -gen system added multiple vapor chamber coolers would that bring the heat down or is this just not physically possible within the arrangement? If it were possible it would be a cheap solution to getting more performance into the systems without risking overheating. But I'm no expert.

 

[IceManCat]

I also wonder if we see a custom advanced cooling technology from either Sony or Microsoft that we haven't seen before, this too could help nullify any increased wattages allowing them to cram more power in the box.

 

[TBiddy]

There was no mistake the EU is Sony land no matter what they do. They could crap in a box and it would sell in main land EU. MS might as well put resources in places they might sell consoles honestly.

I thought it was rather odd, that I had to wait almost a year to buy an XB1. I could imagine that costing them quite a bit of sales.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Hypothetically, if a next -gen system added multiple vapor chamber coolers would that bring the heat down or is this just not physically possible within the arrangement? If it were possible it would be a cheap solution to getting more performance into the systems without risking overheating. But I'm no expert.

We're mostly presuming it's an APU, so one contact point = one big vapor chamber would make sense. They could add some cooling to the flip side of the board but it's generally a minimal gain for the cost, only on high end GPUs.

 

[Fake]

DF talk about an APU as well, so no discrete cpu/gpu.

 

[Darius87]

if ps5 soc 315mm2 vs scarlet soc 395mm2 is true then i guess it's bad news for sony or maybe spec are similiar except xbox has hw ray-traycing ps5 does not. to me 315mm2 ps5 soc rumor is most legit of all fake rumors i've seen.

 

[TeamGhobad]

nexgen is gonna be 70 bucks a game?



personally im ok with 65.

 

[R600]

if ps5 soc 315mm2 vs scarlet soc 395mm2 is true then i guess it's bad news for sony or maybe spec are similiar except xbox has hw ray-traycing ps5 does not. to me 315mm2 ps5 soc rumor is most legit of all fake rumors i've seen.

Mind you, that leak ties up with Gonzalo leak that has boost clock of 1.8GHz, I doubt MS bigger die would have such a high clocks, so perhaps Sony went with smaller die but higher clocks.