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The Last of Us 2 Is 'Hands Down the Most Ambitious Game Naughty Dog Has Ever Made' - 'You Are Not Ready For TLOU 2' Says Troy Baker.
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Constant Flux
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I can't wait to play as a lesbian! 
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Airbus Jr
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Got another triggered person in captivity !
Keep it up while this game won another goty award !!!
I fuckin love tlou article!!
the trigerism !!
the anger !!
the anxyiousness !!
The jealousy !!
Rrauuuuuurrrrrrrghhhhh !!!!!
It makes me happy
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
That is how you feel and you are projecting it as universal truth for some reason, many others like the gameplay (remember its launch and its remaster launch too) and thus how you experience the story progression.
JoeyWestSide
Member
3rd person narrative action adventure isn't really ambitious. 1st person open world with optional dialog and consequences? Because to them, that would be ambitious.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Case in point of trolling for the sake of trolling... now expect some crying about SonyGAF not letting you enjoy your threads alone as soon as any criticism is raised in other games’ threads (seeing
The_Mike
and the other in the group thumbing up and posting generic trashy comments... we get it, Druckman is woke, that irritates some people, there are lesbians in the game and men are not the centre of attention as it is normally the case, fine...feel free to keep one line shitposts in every TLoU thread that pops up... SonyGAF alright)...
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Airbus Jr
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Guardian's Light
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Played through the ps4 remaster something like 6-7 times and still going with more and more playthroughs
I'll make the second's blu ray explode lol
Crazy hype
I'll make the second's blu ray explode lol
Crazy hype
MilkyJoe
Member
Can't wait to play the greatest lesbian walking simulator game of all time
Brilliant
And true.
Portugeezer
Member
TBH I care more about its multiplayer, will it even have MP? It was very enjoyable in the first game.
psygn0sis
Member
Thats another GOTY coming for you
Now sit down and wipe out those tears
I think CP2077 will win GOTY
Katsura
Member
*snap*Thats another GOTY coming for you
Now sit down and wipe out those tears
plushyp
Member
I don't see any point in buying one now that PS5 is coming next year. My PS3 is gathering dust as it is.
Well, their bar of ambition has been relatively low to begin with. They are very good at what they do but their games are nowhere near ambitios in terms of size, complexity, interactivity. I'm not afraid to describe their games as simple. People tend to shit on other games for the same things they turn a blind eye when it comes to ND games - linearity, simple and repitive gameplay, everything being scripted and little to no replay value.
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GlassAwful
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It's going to be average at best, just like the first one. But count on journos and normies to overrate it.
Also I will never give a penny to people like Druckmann.
I mean if you ignore the frame of the question and just look at his answer he didn't say anything unreasonable.
It sucks he would pay any attention to Anita but that answer is not the worst outcome of her influences.
Doczu
Member
I'm happy i played TLoU before i had the chance to play the Uncharted Trilogy, because i got tired of the formula once i went from Uncharted 1 to 2. Move from setpiece to setpiece, cover, shoot, walk and talk, happy/sad cutscene, cover shoot, walk and talk.
I don't know how you can play game after game, after game the same with with different backgrounds.
I don't know how you can play game after game, after game the same with with different backgrounds.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
People call the Heath Ledger's performance in the Dark Knight just "ok" and claim that people are overrating his performance.
Do you guys calling something "overrated" change people's opinion of the game?
If the majority are calling the game great, then the game is clearly not overrated.
You can't argue with results.
It's time to accept that Naughty Dog did a great job.
Outrunner
Member
That's a way to look at it, to accept it as good because the majority says so. Or you can critically look at the game and realize that people are ignoring the shallow game play, the dumb AI, the worse than average combat, the lack of any real reason to use crafting and the long walks in corridors with characters regurgitating garbage dialogue just because the game has nice cinematic cutscenes and a cliche Hollywood zombie plot. If it wasn't for those two and the game would have been scored for what it is, average at best.
Naughty dog does deserve credit for their story telling and directing of some great cinematic segments, but they did a poor job when it comes to gamedesign.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Wow.
There's so many things wrong with your post.
False.
Each "zombie" movie is not the same.
World War Z movie is about stopping the zombie outbreak
Resident Evil 1 and 2 is about discovering the secrets of Umbrella Corp
Days Gone is about Deacon finding his wife Sarah
Last of Us is about the relationship between Joel and Ellie. There's nothing to discover about the outbreak, because the solution to the problem is revealed within the first 30 into the game.
The fact that you called it a cliche Hollywood zombie plot just shows you that many people who call it a zombie game don't know what they're talking about.
Crafting system just makes things easier. It is not necessary and the developers know that.
What YOU don't know is that not people need things to be made easier considering most games who play games are casuals.
Of course, this is only for single player where multiplayer is basically requiredd.
Dumb AI?
Sounds like a lot of games made today. lol
Melee hand-to-hand combat is arguably top notch. IT's not bad man or spider-man since the game is grounded and going for more realistic approach, but not many games today give you the same feel when it comes to hand to hand combat.
Again, you know little about what makes a good story, and it's becoming move obvious with every post you make.
Each dialog throughout your journey is part of the story.
It is what you called character development.
Instead of watching more cut-scenes, the developers give you options to learn more about the character's backstory.
If you're going to be critical, just stop using the same insults you heard from others. It feels like copy and paste insults lol.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Can't wait to play the greatest lesbian walking simulator game of all time
Invest in a treadmill.
Allnamestakenlol
Member
Ambitious how? I could do without their attempt at complex feels, if that's what he's referring to.
joe_zazen
Member
Got another triggered person in captivity !
Keep it up while this game won another goty award !!!
I fuckin love tlou article!!
the trigerism !!
the anger !!
the anxyiousness !!
The jealousy !!
Rrauuuuuurrrrrrrghhhhh !!!!!
It makes me happy
seeking drama where there is none?
Lots of people find TLOU gameplay dreary & mediocre, myself included; and the story great for a video game (aggressively mediocre for any other medium).
I think the dlc was far superior because it removed all the unnecessary killing. I loved the dlc.The game proper would have been much better, imo, if they removed 99% of the murder and zombie killing and dumb crafting and made it a walking sim with a bit of gameplay here and there.
But non-Nintendo gamers who buy $60 games and/or try to make a living out of reviewing them demand everything have lots and lots of killing and death. They also like stories that aren't embarrassing because, deep down, they feel like being a video game enthusiast makes them inferior, so they love being able to point out 'deep' stories. They remind me of anime fans in that regard.
Sony knows this formula (shoot Stab punch bomb strangulation + 'mature' story = giant profits), hence all their AAA titles follow this formula**. And those who that don't do not get green lit. The rest of the AAA industry is following this lead, btw.
Sure there is a tendency among some to blame TLOU for this trend, but it is market forces and not anyone game. Or at least not that game.
So now everything is getting that treatment, from gears of war to halo to god of war to etc etc. Nintendo still Nintendo though. Pretty sure animal crossing won't have dead wives and murderous revenge plots.
**some point out Sony be efforts, and yes there is some diversity of there, but no aaa stuff. Imagine what Astrobot would have been with TLOU budget. But rescuing cute robot buddies don't sell like mature mass murder sim #18.
blackjon24
Member
It's going to be average at best, just like the first one. But count on journos and normies to overrate it.
Also I will never give a penny to people like Druckmann.
Lol that line "Not you, too, Naughty dog!" is priceless
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SLoWMoTIoN
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This man works for Naughty Dog
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
I love Naughty Dog games, the original Last of Us was pretty good, Drake, Crash, Jak, are all great but I'm not putting Ellie and Joel in that same elite circle just yet with only one get under their belt. Just something for the Last of Us community to think about.
rəddəM
Member
I'm very excited about the gameplay this time around. I always felt a bit constrained and heavy in the first one.
Now we can jump, squeeze through tight spaces, crawl in short grass and under things, we can dodge melee attacks and arrows...
Feels very fluid and dynamic, more Uncharted like.
I see so much potential in stealth and action/escaping situation and the E3 2018 was a good showing.
I hope it translates to the multiplayer too.
Now we can jump, squeeze through tight spaces, crawl in short grass and under things, we can dodge melee attacks and arrows...
Feels very fluid and dynamic, more Uncharted like.
I see so much potential in stealth and action/escaping situation and the E3 2018 was a good showing.
I hope it translates to the multiplayer too.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Yeah, but for some of us that's kind of Nintendo's defining flaw. We grew up while they have stayed in an eternal pre-adolescence. Frankly, it makes them irrelevant to my interests.
joe_zazen
Member
Is staying in an eternal adolescence any better? Because that is the part of the psyche power fantasies prey upon., even those with dead wives and murderous revenge plots.
The only real ‘grown up’ games in the world are the ones that bring you face to face with friends and family. Which sucks for those of us who hate their families and have trouble with irl friendships. Back to Clicker Heroes...
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You fall into the bunch of people who don't know what they're talking about.
If the story was mediocre, then no one would Remember Joel, Ellie and the supporting cast, but they do. Not only that, this has some of the best voice acting in a video game.
Now there are a lot of terrible stories out there, including those in Hollywood, which are filled with terrible acting and tons of plot holes.
And gameplay mediocre?
People still play TLOU today. The multiplayer is still active, yet you want to create this narrative that the gameplay is mediocre?
You don't get that with mediocre gameplay.
A game like Resident Evil 2 doesn't have a lot of gameplay mechanics.
You can't duck, you can't crouch etc, but it's considered game of other year by many people today, because the formula works. This isn't Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden, it's a grounded game, and the game play fits perfectly.
Again, you guys are just copying and pasting insults.. I suggest being more original.
AAA industry goes for a cinematic approach when creating a triple A game with a story.
That's it.
And more proof that you don't know what you're talking about - lol.
Yes, people blame Last of Us for this and it makes me believe those who complain about this cinematic approach haven't been gaming much prior to this generation.
There are games like Max Payne, Final fantasy 10, Final Fantasy 7, Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill, Mass Effect and more.
If you were gaming longer than 5 years, then you would know this, but it seems like you and many other didn't realize this stuff has been going on for decades.
Strider311
Member
Not keen on the SJW attitude of the devs, but I love Naughty Dog’s games (especially TLOU) too much to pass on it. I don’t care if she’s a lesbian. I just don’t need an agenda shoved in my face and crammed down my throat for the sake of virtue signaling.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Here is the thing, is not like Ellie became "lesbian" out of no where, we known this from left behind DLC and the ending of first game made it perfectly clear if there was going to be a sequel we were going to play as Ellie instead of Joel. Look, I hate this obsession with political correctness as much the next guy but whats also equally annoying to see people considered every little thing as "SJW agenda".
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Strider311
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You’re right. We already know she’s lesbian. So I don’t need a trailer for the sequel that wastes a substantial amount of time showing us it again, while lingering on a make-out session. Woo, so edgy Naughty Dog. So brave, so triumphant. How about just show the fucking gameplay mechanics?
joe_zazen
Member
Yeah, a lot of this is eye of the beholder stuff. When i think of the stories that i love, none of them come from videogames, but thats me. If others find meaning for their lives in TLOU or Borderlands 2, then thats cool.
it isnt a narrative (which is such an over used word of dismissal), it is my experience. If you find it brilliant, then great. But let me ask you this, if tlou 2 plays exactly like 1, will you be disappointed?
? What insult?
GTAIV was the first sort of hollywood-esque thing I ran into. I find FF to be anime aimed at teens, MGS to be crazy and convoluted, Max Payne 3 I couldn’t play for more than a couple of hours....ME was’t linear despite the ending of 3. The player got to participate.
I am not sure what we are arguing about in this paragraph, but you are obviously wrong by all objective measures and weights.
My laundry’s done so i need to go. Thx for the chat.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Oh so now it's about what YOU ran into.
Looks like you're moving the goalpost because it's clear that you haven't been gaming that long to even be critical of how Sony\Naughty Dog had some type major influence on major AAA titles.
You were wrong about Halo and Gears NOW doing it because Gears started doing it BEFORE The Last of Us.
You haven't played Gears 3 when it was released in 2011. Yes, it was cinematic.
So yes, you're now moving the goalpost in which how YOU find these games to be, but before you were talking about how every was trying to copy the Sony formula.
This is why I tend to shake my head at a lot of people who criticize TLOU because it becomes clear they havne't been gaming for that long at all.
........ That or they don't understand what they're seeing.
I am not sure what we are arguing about in this paragraph, but you are obviously wrong by all objective measures and weights.
Last of Us is considered to be one of the best games ever and many people enjoy it
Last of Us multiplayer is still active, something you wouldn't get with mediocre gameplay
Many games were aiming for a cinematic approach well before the Last of Us was created.
Objectively, you're wrong and your goalpost moving proves that.
Thanks for making it clear to me in this post. lol
It won't be. That's clear based on what they have shown already.
Here is what you said earlier. You clearly state "The rest of the AA industry is following THIS lead."
How can they follow that lead when games were doing it well before the TLOU?
One being games following the Sony formula.
It's not an original thought, you're merely just repeating what others have said. If you TRULY knew the history about video games, then you would know modern AAA devs are not following the formula of TLOU, neither are their studios. It's a lie and I heard it from people before.
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
God, I hope this is satire.Gona bump this thread once again to keep it on top
Gone bring more triggered and jelly people here
The Last of Us II is on
Loved..hated..but never ignored...
Thats how big the last of us II baby....
So get over here
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Dealing with your audience at a child-like level buys you a lot of latitude, its the epitome of undemanding. Kids aren't particularly discerning or sophisticated, because they are kids.
Dead wives and murderous revenge plots were good enough for Shakespeare, so I think games can afford to stoop to using similar tropes. Its all in the treatment after all, and games are a difficult medium to work in.
Personally, I don't "play games" with people who are close/important to me. I just try to be myself, at all times.
Justin9mm
Member
The Gamplay was good. AI was average but that doesn't make it bad gameplay. What was bad about the gameplay in your eyes? Also for when it was released, it was pretty impressive. Which is why it was such a success.
LaughingStock
Member
Can't wait to watch this game.