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[Thaedolus]

It's pretty much all they could do in this situation short of terminating everyone involved. I don't know what the content in the game is that's being removed, but as far as the employees using an official discord server, this is about as fair/middle of the road as they can reasonably get. To take no action or otherwise ignore it allows the story to keep getting a life of its own. To zero-tolerance mass terminate everyone would be completely unjust. So they're probably going to sit them down and make them watch some 20 year old VHS about being sensitive and move on.

 

[stranno]

They patched Shadow Warrior too

 

[Petrae]

It's always disappointing to see people caving to a perpetually outraged group of cunts, but that's the modern world for you.

Painful truth right here. This sickness isn’t relegated to just video games. Pretty much every business is stricken by this shit, because nobody wants to deal with the hassle that these loud minority groups bring with them— so they cave.

It happens with just about any form of entertainment, which is why I rarely watch TV or movies anymore, either. I just watched the entire run of Jackass (including the films) last week and had a fucking blast. I also watch Married With Children, which would NEVER happen in the modern era of sensitivity. And Looney Tunes and The Three Stooges, which would make SJWs melt down faster than an ice cube in Death Valley.

 

[Dada55000]

Wow, they are deleting all mentions of this from RPGCodex of all places. Never thought that cesspool would cave in.

what? that can't be

 

[Ivory Blood]

It's pretty much all they could do in this situation short of terminating everyone involved. I don't know what the content in the game is that's being removed, but as far as the employees using an official discord server, this is about as fair/middle of the road as they can reasonably get. To take no action or otherwise ignore it allows the story to keep getting a life of its own. To zero-tolerance mass terminate everyone would be completely unjust. So they're probably going to sit them down and make them watch some 20 year old VHS about being sensitive and move on.

What? The controversy was literally forgotten the next day, and this shit just added some very hot fuel to the fire. Ree is not satisfied of course, they are clamoring for firing of the devs who made those comments.

I can already see 3DRealms next headline- "Transphobic devs removed from our glorius politically correct and diverse company, we also make violent 90-s inspired games on the side".

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

It's pretty much all they could do in this situation short of terminating everyone involved. I don't know what the content in the game is that's being removed, but as far as the employees using an official discord server, this is about as fair/middle of the road as they can reasonably get. To take no action or otherwise ignore it allows the story to keep getting a life of its own. To zero-tolerance mass terminate everyone would be completely unjust. So they're probably going to sit them down and make them watch some 20 year old VHS about being sensitive and move on.

They could have told this small group of vocal, extremist nutcases, who had no intention of buying their game anyway to go fuck themselves.

 

[Ivory Blood]

what? that can't be

It's real. There were some people who posted about it, and I put them in quote, only to return later and see my message still unsent and their comments gone.

 

[Thaedolus]

What? The controversy was literally forgotten the next day, and this shit just added some very hot fuel to the fire. Ree is not satisfied of course, they are clamoring for firing of the devs who made those comments.

I can already see 3DRealms next headline- "Transphobic devs removed from our glorius politically correct and diverse company, we also make violent 90-s inspired games on the side".

You're not wrong that they won't be satisfied and they're unreasonable, but the story was not forgotten the next day. If I'm the boss over there, this is a good option to say STFU about it and go away. Reset Era will still have their panties in a bunch because they're never unbunched, but mainstream outlets will think it's been dealt with and it will actually go away.

 

[Bkdk]

What an idiot move, SJWs still will never buy their game and now many will be asking for a refund. They won’t have any consumers in the future. This is one of the textbook example of screwing up all your consumer base just like that.

 

[Dada55000]

It's real. There were some people who posted about it, and I put them in quote, only to return later and see my message still unsent and their comments gone.

infinitron is drunk again

 

[SonGoku]

Reeee cucks at it agane

 

[WindomURL]

Unfuckingbelievable

Imagine the oozing smug on the inquisition's collective face.

 

[Birdo]

You just know that at least one person that works there is a complete Social Justice dipshit and the rest have to do what they say through fear of losing their job.

The minority should NEVER control the majority.

 

[Petrae]

It's pretty much all they could do in this situation short of terminating everyone involved. I don't know what the content in the game is that's being removed, but as far as the employees using an official discord server, this is about as fair/middle of the road as they can reasonably get. To take no action or otherwise ignore it allows the story to keep getting a life of its own. To zero-tolerance mass terminate everyone would be completely unjust. So they're probably going to sit them down and make them watch some 20 year old VHS about being sensitive and move on.

The internet has given rise to some cool shit, but I think I could live without it all if it was destroyed and we went back to a non-connected world. It would absolutely kill shit like this, because there wouldn’t be a platform for idiocy like we constantly see now.

I mean, yeah, that would mean the end of GAF and on-demand information... but I lived through a time just like that, before the internet was a thing, and we survived just fine. I’d miss all of you, but it would be worth the sacrifice if it meant less outrage and fewer platforms for the Perpetually Offended to ruin shit for everyone else.

 

[Orenji Neko]

I was going to buy this game next weekend after I finished up a few other things. This is disappointing, and I cannot reward (not matter how small at 25 bucks) a developer who listens to the demands of a vocal, oppressive, and harassment-happy (their social media antics) minority, but agrees and caves in to them. Truly sad because this game looked great; like something right up my alley as someone who enjoyed classic PC shooters from the 90's.

Then again, there are so many other games out there, including said classics that I still own and can still play unmolested. For those on the development team who maybe don't support this, and have been made to go along with it, I am truly sorry.

 

[Mahadev]

Pathetic.

 

[Thaedolus]

The internet has given rise to some cool shit, but I think I could live without it all if it was destroyed and we went back to a non-connected world. It would absolutely kill shit like this, because there wouldn’t be a platform for idiocy like we constantly see now.

I mean, yeah, that would mean the end of GAF and on-demand information... but I lived through a time just like that, before the internet was a thing, and we survived just fine. I’d miss all of you, but it would be worth the sacrifice if it meant less outrage and fewer platforms for the Perpetually Offended to ruin shit for everyone else.

I'm not sure what's causing it...it could be just that it seems normal to people who grew up with the outrage because they don't remember a time before like some of us do? I really do not understand some of the younger generation these days losing their shit over seemingly non-issues. To be clear, this particular case isn't a non-issue, but the reaction to it is completely disproportionate to the offense. And I'm not saying 3DRealms "should" react the way they did, I'm just saying that when served up a shit sandwich you have to sometimes make a call about how best to eat it and I think they took the best possible course a business could take for their situation. Could they tell all these kids to fuck off? Sure, and that could totally backfire and make the pariahs and sabotage their business/careers. So they took a relatively mild step of acquiescence. It's obnoxious to see any sort of caving to unreasonable bullshit, but it's understandable why they did what they did.

 

[Gargus]

Game developers need to learn to make the game THEY want first and foremost and never make a game for the public. Soon as you start trying to please everyone and appeal to everyone you make a product no one can relate to, and make a generic and bland product. Some like Mario games are safe for everyone but still good and that's fine but gaming also needs the polar opposite and everything in between.

No developer should ever change their game for their players, ever. If it's a good game people will buy it and play it. Altering and censoring your game is a crime in my eyes and shows the developer has no balls or backbone. True if you want to be on a console you have to censor somewhat, but not on PC. And as long as people keep censoring to appease others censorship will continue on consoles and certain pc game stores.

Developers need to use blanket statement when people get upset "it's a shame you don't enjoy our game, but there are plenty of others out there for you to try.. But we created the game we wanted and we hope you find one you do enjoy" or some variation of that and then never addressed again. They should never apologize but they also shouldn't feed the trolls. These people will never go away unless they are simply ignored and finally realize they have no power.

I want tetris and mario, and I also want offensive games and very adult games, and everything between. If a Hitler simulator came out I wouldn't upset, but I also wouldn't play it because it doesn't interest me. But I most certainly wouldn't complain or tell them they are wrong for making it. If anything I would be the one who is wrong for telling them they shouldn't make it.

But seriously, fuck those guys for censoring and folding under the pressure of nobodies. They are weak willed cowards bending their products to the will of internet strangers who get offended constantly. They set a bad example.

 

[socksfelloff]

I'm very disappointed in 3D realms. Anytime someone caves to those fuck heads at reset they grow stronger and continue to poison the gaming market

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Definition

Spineless (pronounced sp-eye-n-lis)

1. A creature lacking skeletal structure

2. A ripped apart book with pages everywhere

3. Voidpoint Games (They decided not to censor the game after all. Good call devs)

 

[#Phonepunk#]

so what exactly are they patching out? has anyone stated this yet? are people really this upset over the lotion bottle?

yall outraging over nothing?

seems like a smart move. right away before the first press drops they issued several correctives, a (vague) patch, mandatory training (done regularly at any job with an HR dept), and donating to the cause . this cuts off the controversy from growing, which they were discussing openly on REEE.

the company is trying to salvage this game. people should be on it's side.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Big Brother is watching.

 

[Orta]

I bet those oxygen thieving cocksuckers at resetera are fellating eachother right now.

That or furiously wanking over paedo porn.

Devs can shove the game up their fucking arses now.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

Stupid decision, the people complaining were never gonna buy your game and they aren't gonna change their stance even though the "problem" is gone, they are little babies that never forgive or forget. Completely retarded to give into them, you've earned no goodwill with them by caving.

 

[manfestival]

Wow, they are deleting all mentions of this from RPGCodex of all places. Never thought that cesspool would cave in.

Is GAF and 4chan are the only places left to actually speak your mind about it?

pretty sad precedent if true. 4chan isn't a reasonable place by any means which only realistically leaves GAF. I am glad to be a member of this community.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Completely retarded to give into them, you've earned no goodwill with them by caving

the week their game drops they effectively neutralized a potentially damaging controversy via dropping a multi pronged way to address said problem before the first article on it was even out. that isn't just a message board, it's also a place where streamers, youtubers, journalists all network. they were there too, and aware of things about to blow up, so they looked for a few small, but good, things they could do before it went public. that's smart.

again, are we sad about the lotion bottle? is this what all the anger is about? they are changing the label on a lotion bottle? lol

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

- ree is still not satisfied since thoughtcrime employees aren't fired, and normal people are shocked 3drealms/voidpoint decided to go out of their way to pander to the proven irrelevant 0.00X% pedoforum audience

They literally are never happy until they ruin a life, only then are they satisfied. They won't be happy when the employee is fired either, they have to be shunned from the industry and never able to get a job again.

 

[decisions]

I think Bioware caving in to people complaining about the Mass Effect 3 ending has had a bigger effect than people realize. That was perhaps the first time in the gaming industry where people decided that art they didn't like was something not to be criticized, but to be changed in the face of their whiny crybaby mouths. Of course then it wasn't political, but the parallels still stand...

I don't think those jokes are funny or appropriate, but the fact the pubs/devs though they should change their game to appease a bunch of leftists who barely even play video games, is sad and scary. Like, hello? Do not give people who want to control your language power.

 

[pochepiller2]

I just demanded a refund from Steam. I Don't want my game unicorned.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

the week their game drops they effectively neutralized a potentially damaging controversy via dropping a multi pronged way to address said problem before the first article on it was even out. that's smart.

again, are we sad about the lotion bottle? is this what all the anger is about? they are changing the label on a lotion bottle? lol

They didn't neutralize anything, the complaining babies are still pissed, the developers will not see a cent from them and by them giving in they gave weight to the complaints and admitted to being in the wrong.

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

again, are we sad about the lotion bottle? is this what all the anger is about? they are changing the label on a lotion bottle? lol

Personally, it's no great loss, but it does make me wonder if there might be more changes further on down the road. Just have to wait and see, I guess.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

the week their game drops they effectively neutralized a potentially damaging controversy via dropping a multi pronged way to address said problem before the first article on it was even out. that isn't just a message board, it's also a place where streamers, youtubers, journalists all network. they were there too, and aware of things about to blow up, so they looked for a few small, but good, things they could do before it went public. that's smart.

again, are we sad about the lotion bottle? is this what all the anger is about? they are changing the label on a lotion bottle? lol

R* games have hookers, booze, drugs and cop killing.

Stores still sell the game, gamers still buy the game.

 

[decisions]

the week their game drops they effectively neutralized a potentially damaging controversy via dropping a multi pronged way to address said problem before the first article on it was even out. that isn't just a message board, it's also a place where streamers, youtubers, journalists all network. they were there too, and aware of things about to blow up, so they looked for a few small, but good, things they could do before it went public. that's smart.

again, are we sad about the lotion bottle? is this what all the anger is about? they are changing the label on a lotion bottle? lol

People are angry because it's sad to see another example of controlling, inauthentic, wolves in sheep's clothing having influence on what can and what cannot be done in the video game industry.

 

[brap]

so what exactly are they patching out? has anyone stated this yet? are people really this upset over the lotion bottle?

yall outraging over nothing?

seems like a smart move. right away before the first press drops they issued several correctives, a (vague) patch, mandatory training (done regularly at any job with an HR dept), and donating to the cause . this cuts off the controversy from growing, which they were discussing openly on REEE.

the company is trying to salvage this game. people should be on it's side.

They wouldn't care about it like a week after the controversy. I don't need to be on their side. Normal people who buy the game aka 99.9% buying it don't care about this little controversy. I see plenty of people saying they're gonna refund or not buy it. Who is hurting more from this?

 

[Ivory Blood]

so what exactly are they patching out? has anyone stated this yet? are people really this upset over the lotion bottle?

yall outraging over nothing?

seems like a smart move. right away before the first press drops they issued several correctives, a (vague) patch, mandatory training (done regularly at any job with an HR dept), and donating to the cause . this cuts off the controversy from growing, which they were discussing openly on REEE.

the company is trying to salvage this game. people should be on it's side.

It did not need any salvaging, game was doing extremely well and praised for being both a great game and developers standing up to bullshit. All it got from "controversy" were 15 unfavorable reviews and some twitter posts.

Now we have hit pieces from gameinformer and several others about how 3DRealms apologise for their "transphobic and bigoted" devs, this thread, people rioting in discord, deleting of steam threads by developers, negative reviews galore, 500 replies 4chan thread and gleefull reetards wanting more action against the offenders. 3Drealms already admitted they are guilty. Sharks see blood in the water.

No one cares about removal of some textures from a lotion bottle.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I feel safer already

 

[Mojoraisin]

Tell the devs directly you don't like it, post on forums - the usual. As far as what you can do to fix it? Nothing. 3DRealms made their decision, and they're going to stick to it. What doesn't help is resorting to the same vitriol that Resetera and the usual suspects employee. Make your case for this being a bad decision, but be better than the other side.

I'm with you...but the alternate viewpoint has tried being "better than the other side" for many years now. I don't see anything changing for the better, rather the opposite. The majority just don't get involved and are easily swayed. These people can't be reasoned with even if you try...and even if you respect their difference of opinion. What's left to do if their tactics are so successful? Shouldn't you get better at their own game and the one thing they are good at - organising protests?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Dada55000]

muh ME3 ending WAS ART

lol, the complaint about it was that it was embarrassing hack garbage a 14yo up his own ass would make, and the demand was "make it not shit", trying to whiteknight the sanctity of art in this instance is pathetic and, more to the point, completely inappropriate, less highbrow critique and more akin to Zack Snyder DC movie fanboyism, they also didn't change the ending beyond bolting extra crap on top

not the flaspoint of anything in regards to changing shit, sjw pandering ala this is adjacent to good old fashioned craft censorship, and that goes waaaaay back Martin Luther

 

[Closer]

so what exactly are they patching out? has anyone stated this yet? are people really this upset over the lotion bottle?

yall outraging over nothing?

seems like a smart move. right away before the first press drops they issued several correctives, a (vague) patch, mandatory training (done regularly at any job with an HR dept), and donating to the cause . this cuts off the controversy from growing, which they were discussing openly on REEE.

the company is trying to salvage this game. people should be on it's side.

This is what I found on steam forums:

Ion Fury General Discussions :: Steam Community

Ion Fury - While Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison earned her codename defusing bombs for the Global Defense Force, when evil transhumanist mastermind Dr. Jadus Heskel unleashes the members of his cybernetic cult onto the streets of Neo DC, she knows it’s time to start causing explosions instead of...

steamcommunity.com

This is the answer fixed by an admin:

The only changes to be made to the game concerning this matter are a single 25x48 bottle of soap and some text accidentally left in a leftover sector unreachable without noclip.

So yeah. We got a lot of crybabies here and on Ree.

 

[Shai-Tan]

I won’t pretend to understand the jokes in that quote but I’m going to guess that creativity isnt being stifled. Seems over the top to claim caving into criticism of some internet edgelord jokes is ruining games. The witch hunt of a dev for comments outside of the game is a different story

 

[brap]

So yeah. We got a lot of crybabies here and on Ree.

Sorry for being against censorship. Sorry for wanting people to tell resetera to fuck off. You're such an amazing person. Wish I could be like you. Literal perfect human being.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

This is even more cringey than that "Disillusioned Kojima" thread.

I honestly can't believe Ion Fury fell into pressure. Fuck, this will give reetardera more ammo to use smh.

 

[Closer]

Sorry for being against censorship. Sorry for wanting people to tell resetera to fuck off. You're such an amazing person. Wish I could be like you. Literal perfect human being.

Thank you. Now go back to lurk Ree.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So here's the patched content: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...or-sexist-and-transphobic-comments-from-staff

From the article:

Later, homophobic language was found in Ion Fury itself. ResetEra user Flapjack21 found a room in the game, accessed using a noclip cheat, that displayed the word "fagbag".

In other, easily-accessible rooms are bottles with the homophobic slur "ogay" written on them.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

I'm with you...but the alternate viewpoint has tried being "better than the other side" for many years now. I don't see anything changing for the better, rather the opposite. The majority just don't get involved and are easily swayed. These people can't be reasoned with even if you try...and even if you respect their difference of opinion. What's left to do if their tactics are so successful? Shouldn't you get better at their own game and the one thing they are good at - organising protests?

Asking for a friend.

I just don't know what the endgame is if you keep escalating. At some point, you just have to learn to ignore it. Most decision-makers in the business actually do.

 

[DigitalScrap]

Whatever happened to people simply thinking “that joke was in poor taste” to themselves and moving on with their lives? I really don’t understand this whole “everything MUST adhere to my personal worldview or it must be destroyed!” mentality. Sigh.

 

[brap]

So here's the patched content: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...or-sexist-and-transphobic-comments-from-staff
In other, easily-accessible rooms are bottles with the homophobic slur "ogay" written on them.

Is that really a slur?

 

[JORMBO]

the week their game drops they effectively neutralized a potentially damaging controversy via dropping a multi pronged way to address said problem before the first article on it was even out. that isn't just a message board, it's also a place where streamers, youtubers, journalists all network. they were there too, and aware of things about to blow up, so they looked for a few small, but good, things they could do before it went public. that's smart.

again, are we sad about the lotion bottle? is this what all the anger is about? they are changing the label on a lotion bottle? lol

I don't really care if they patch out the lotion bottles. The Game Informer guy who wrote the article is an Era poster. I'd rather not see Era work together with the media to bully companies into doing what they want. I'd rather not see a couple dozen lunatics dictate things to gaming companies. I don't feel there was anything to be outraged over posted on the Discord and if 3DR just ignored the idiots this would have blown over in a few days. Warhorse ignored them and Kingdom Come sold a ton of copies.

 

[Dada55000]

Thank you. Now go back to lurk Ree.

I love how you put the bare minimum effort into your post so you could pretend you didn't immediately jump to 'both sides' fart huffing before even doing a google search

I just don't know what the endgame is if you keep escalating. At some point, you just have to learn to ignore it. Most decision-makers in the business actually do.

clearly they don't ignore it, you're in a thread where squeeky wheel got greased

takeaway should be to squeek harder if you want anything going your way and that silence gets you a bag of dicks

 

[decisions]

This is what I found on steam forums:

Ion Fury General Discussions :: Steam Community

Ion Fury - While Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison earned her codename defusing bombs for the Global Defense Force, when evil transhumanist mastermind Dr. Jadus Heskel unleashes the members of his cybernetic cult onto the streets of Neo DC, she knows it’s time to start causing explosions instead of...

steamcommunity.com

This is the answer fixed by an admin:



So yeah. We got a lot of crybabies here and on Ree.

It's one thing to be smug, but you can't be smug and reductive. Then you just sound like a fool. There's also the apology itself, "sensitivity training", and the financial donation to consider. These four things - the in-game changes, public apology, sensitivity training, and financial behavior - were all done for the sake of a vocal minority that manufactured a controversy out of their ass because someone said some SJWs are "nuts" (wow what a shocking statement, actually oh wait saying that some, not all, people who love identity politics are nuts is not shocking at all), and that parents shouldn't try and change the gender of their children. In other words, because some devs didn't except some of the most radical ideas the far-left currently has on offer, and members of that ideology didn't like it, they had to change their game, apologize, and undergo "sensitivity training". Seems pretty obvious to me why people would have a problem with this.