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Imagine actually supporting commie garbage and/or listening to Chapo Trap House aka bunch of upper middle class suburban goofy white chucklefuck commies.
How do we get the Disco Elysium devs to share profits with us like good comrades?

In this acceptance speech for the Fresh Indie Game Award, Helen Hendepere said that the team would like to thank “some of the great people that came before us.” The people they shouted out included the architects of communist thought, Marx and Engels, as well as Russian painter Vladimir Makovsky, and Viktor Tsoi, a Soviet singer and songwriter.

If you’ve played Disco Elysium, which features the vocal talents of the members of socialist podcast Chapo Trap House, you may not be surprised by these references. If not, I encourage you to read The Communist Manifesto, which is about how a ghost called “communism” is haunting Europe. It’s pretty radical.

Disco Elysium Developers Shout Out Marx And Engels In Game Awards Vic…

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[Tupinambis_WOT]

I got this strange feeling that you wouldn't have bothered making a thread if the guys started quote-reading out of Atlas Shrugged or whatever.

 

[DonF]

Yikes

 

[LegendOfKage]

Road to hell paved with good intentions. Here's that Toy Story singer guy's take on the topic:

 

[ExpandKong]

Communism’s all fun and games until the first time you have to stab someone for a loaf of bread. But then it gets fun again when you accept your destiny as the Breadbasket Serial Stabber.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Makes sense. The arts, sports and entertainment always thrive the most under communism.

 

[brap]

I got this strange feeling that you wouldn't have bothered making a thread if the guys started quote-reading out of Atlas Shrugged or whatever.

Cool

 

[Shifty1897]

I got this strange feeling that you wouldn't have bothered making a thread if the guys started quote-reading out of Atlas Shrugged or whatever.

I think the difference is that Objectivism is responsible for about 400 million less deaths than communism.

 

[Tupinambis_WOT]

I think the difference is that Objectivism is responsible for about 400 million less deaths than communism is.

Engals and Marx aren't responsible for 400 million deaths. If the Disco Elysium devs called out Stalin and Mao that would be a little different, but they didn't.

This is like getting mad at people shouting out Jesus and then trying to equivocate Christianity with the Nazis or whatever, or getting mad at people for shouting out Martin Luther King Jr. and then going on about "BLM HATES COPS!!!1!"

 

[Sygma]

It completely makes sense given how hardcore the human condition and specifically the dichotomy between democracy, personal sense of purpose and shit are interwoven in the game

Plus, well, Marx went kinda far in terms of early ideas on hyper democracy, almost ? so yeah. There's no love on that end from the writers / devs, I'm guessing they're thanking the material because thats why they got the awards, by delivering a thoughtful game about all of it

Play Disco Elysium y'all, its good, really good as a political meta commentary

 

[Rean no Kiseki]

GET POLITICS OUTTA MUH GAMES!
brap are you Billy D of OAG?
Didn't you guys say go make your own games? Now that they did you can't stop bitching!

 

[iconmaster]

Engals and Marx aren't responsible for 400 million deaths. If the Disco Elysium devs called out Stalin and Mao that would be a little different, but they didn't.

This is like getting mad at people shouting out Jesus and then trying to equivocate Christianity with the Nazis or whatever, or getting mad at people for shouting out Martin Luther King Jr. and then going on about "BLM HATES COPS!!!1!"

I get the distinction, I do. But with leaders like Jesus or MLK Jr one can point to both productive and destructive followers of their example. Where are the productive communists? Where is the communist society in which everyone thrived?

At some point it’s time to accept it’s not going to happen.

Folks like the Elysiusm devs are moral children with no knowledge of history.

 

[brap]

It completely makes sense given how hardcore the human condition and specifically the dichotomy between democracy, personal sense of purpose and shit are interwoven in the game

Plus, well, Marx went kinda far in terms of early ideas on hyper democracy, almost ? so yeah. There's no love on that end from the writers / devs, I'm guessing they're thanking the material because thats why they got the awards, by delivering a thoughtful game about all of it

Play Disco Elysium y'all, its good, really good as a political meta commentary

So it's just a coincidence that they they thanked communism and have a bunch of commies doing voice acting in their game? Ok.
brb making a game about nazis so i can thank hitler in my acceptance speech.

GET POLITICS OUTTA MUH GAMES!
brap are you Billy D of OAG?

No that site is too hardcore for me.

 

[Komatsu]

suburban goofy white chucklefuck commies

They all live in Brooklyn or Dimes Square - these guys are the very opposite of suburban.

 

[CyberPanda]

Ew

 

[Rean no Kiseki]

No that site is too hardcore for me.

"Hardcore" is one way to put it, if it's in reference to mental illnes, how much angry can one man get because he can't get his "kawai desu ne Hitomi-chan!" and big tities fix.
The constant obsession with "censorship" is on a while different level over there.

 

[Tupinambis_WOT]

I get the distinction, I do. But with leaders like Jesus or MLK Jr one can point to both productive and destructive followers of their example. Where are the productive communists? Where is the communist society in which everyone thrived?

At some point it’s time to accept it’s not going to happen.

Folks like the Elysiusm devs are moral children with no knowledge of history.

Marx and Engels did end up with productive followers, they're just not called "communists" by most people. Most of the world calls them "socialists" outside of the USA, where people are mostly unable to tell the difference between two. Western Europe having a high standard of living for normal people is, at least in part, the influence of people who followed Marx and Engels.

I'm not a supporter of Communism or, for that matter, most of European style "socialism" either, I just happened into this thread and saw a man getting irrationally upset about a Marx shoutout.

 

[Fuz]

Cold war propaganda really messed up with your minds.

 

[Sygma]

So it's just a coincidence that they they thanked communism and have a bunch of commies doing voice acting in their game? Ok.
brb making a game about nazis so i can thank hitler in my acceptance speech.

First, play the game. Then open your mouth. The game utterly shits on communism as an ideology

 

[brap]

"Hardcore" is one way to put it, if it's in reference to mental illnes, how much angry can one man get because he can't get his "kawai desu ne Hitomi-chan!" and big tities fix.
The constant obsession with "censorship" is on a while different level over there.

So you support censorshit?

They all live in Brooklyn or Dimes Square - these guys are the very opposite of suburban.

Same shit. Now the privileged little suburban white kids infest cities like Brooklyn. Remember when Jay Z grew up in Brooklyn? Now it's hipster dumbfuck central.

First, play the game. Then open your mouth. The game utterly shits on communism as an ideology

A 12gb download? No thanks.

 

[Sygma]

A 12gb download? No thanks.

Then stop appearing as more foolish than you already are

 

[Rean no Kiseki]

So you support censorshit?

What kind? A puplisher choosing to dress their characters reasonably so they can be shown on TV?
What i'm against is changing scripts and what thier message, religious icongraphy and making cigarettes into lolipops.
Being triggered because Jill from RE3 isn't as "hot" as in remake is a sign of severe autism.

 

[TaroYamada]

I mean a 12gb download isn't a very big download. I don't know why they did the shout out to communism, I've not played the game. Did communism's failure inspire them to make this game? The shout out doesn't necessarily mean they endorse bread lines, or even the Utopian version of Communism that's never existed outside the fever dreams of its supporters.

You should try to see if you're taking this out of context.

Signed, staunch American and Republican -- fervently opposed to communism.

 

[Komatsu]

I get the distinction, I do. But with leaders like Jesus or MLK Jr one can point to both productive and destructive followers of their example. Where are the productive communists? Where is the communist society in which everyone thrived?

I don't mean this in an aggressive or nasty way, but.. you can't be serious, right? Literally the entire worker's movement in the West, responsible for things such as the 8H workday, end of child labor, work safety standards, etc., had its origins in the Anglo-German labor movement which sustained Marx for most of his life. The SPD, one of the oldest labor parties in the world, was explictly founded by unonists and moderate Marxists (then known as "Social Democrats", which does not correspond to what we mean by socdem today) and a LOT of modern labor legislation can be traced back to the SPD. The first factory to institute the 5 day workweek in America had mostly German/Polish Jewish workers. Guess what they were reading back home?

Blaming Marx and Engels (Engels!!) for Stalin or Mao is like saying Jesus is bad because of the Crusades or that, I don't know, the Framers are nasty because Nixon/Clinton/Bush/Trump is President. The difference being that Nixon would still view Bush as a legitimate President, whereas Marx spent decades saying Russia or China weren't developed enough to ever be socialist in any acceptable terms. lol

 

[brap]

Then stop appearing as more foolish than you already are

A bunch of people get communists to voice characters in their game, give a shout to to marx and kotaku says to read The Communist Manifesto. What other impression am I supposed to get from this? I'm aware I'm one of the people that gets fired up easily but come on dude.

What kind? A puplisher choosing to dress their characters reasonably so they can be shown on TV? Keeping disgusting shit like Criminal Girls from reaching a wider audience of closted pedos?
What i'm against is changing scripts and what thier message, religious icongraphy and making cigarettes into lolipops.
Being triggered because Jill from RE3 isn't as "hot" as in remake is a sign of severe autism.

4kids doesn't exist anymore, how many games are there like criminal girls?, and Jill objectively looks worse. She went from being asian to some random american woman. All Capcoms new characters look like shit though not just Jill.

I mean a 12gb download isn't a very big download.

On my third world american internet it is.
LAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Sygma]

I mean a 12gb download isn't a very big download. I don't know why they did the shout out to communism, I've not played the game. Did communism's failure inspire them to make this game? The shout out doesn't necessarily mean they endorse bread lines, or even the Utopian version of Communism that's never existed outside the fever dreams of its supporters.

You should try to see if you're taking this out of context.

Signed, staunch American and Republican -- fervently opposed to communism.

Oh yeah. OH YEAH man. I can't spoil obviously but its literally what the game is about. Its systemic deconstruction of every single political ideology out there, but even more so communism in particular

 

[Rean no Kiseki]

4kids doesn't exist anymore, how many games are there like criminal girls?, and Jill objectively looks worse. She went from being asian to some random american woman. All Capcoms new characters look like shit though not just Jill

There's no objectivity here it's your subjective opinion which i don't share.
And when did Jill EVER look Asain?

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Most people who support marxism haven't read any of the core texts. They should get some credit for at least being educated on their dogma.

 

[brap]

There's no objectivity here it's your subjective opinion which i don't share.
And when did Jill EVER look Asain?

Not like she ever looked like some big forehead millenial bitch either.

 

[Rean no Kiseki]

Not like she ever looked like some big forehead millenial bitch either.

I guess with your sky high standards 2020 is going to be another notch on the ol wizard belt eh barp.

 

[morelan]

You know, even if they support socialism, communism or whatever, they certainly didn't let this influence Disco Elysium's story in a bad way. I felt the game was very critical (to a comical degree) of almost all political ideologies and positions. I think creating a piece of fiction just to express an ethical position or a political aligment commonly results in a very poor work of art (more often than not a very condescending one, treating the reader/spectator/player like some dumb child), but that was not the case with the game they made. They weren't trying to "teach" the player anything, in my opinion.

 

[hunthunt]

Communism is shit but capitalism is worse.

 

[Vampire On Titus]

It doesn't surprise me that they're Chapo fans. Their style of writing reminds me of what I've seen from the self described "dirtbag left" (anti politically correct far leftists/marxists) and "celebrity intellectuals" like Slajov Zizek. It seems that whatever their political leanings they still made a game that allows you to role play however you want and satirizes all sides of the political spectrum.

As far as I'm concerned they can hold whatever political opinions they please, so long as they're not authoritarian in their pursuit, and if they can write a good game on top of it more power to them.

Cringe is what I watch the game awards for anyway.

 

[nemiroff]

I bought it a couple of weeks ago, but only played 10 minutes of it. What's the time limit in days for a Steam refund..

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

I bought it a couple of weeks ago, but only played 10 minutes of it. What's the time limit in days for a Steam refund..

Two hours played in the first two weeks.

 

[brap]

I guess with your sky high standards 2020 is going to be another notch on the ol wizard belt eh barp.

Sky high standards because I think some frumpy video game bitch looked better in a different game? Ok. Keep projecting wizardo.
Also David Jaffe turned into such a bitch lmao. He literally came here to argue with people then fucked off.

 

[TeamGhobad]

I went to college starter pack

 

[iconmaster]

I don't mean this in an aggressive or nasty way, but.. you can't be serious, right? Literally the entire worker's movement in the West, responsible for things such as the 8H workday, end of child labor, work safety standards, etc., had its origins in the Anglo-German labor movement which sustained Marx for most of his life. The SPD, one of the oldest labor parties in the world

These are good points. But note that all of that took place within a capitalist society (which it seems can accommodate social reforms just fine). Those developments don’t amount to an example of a successful Marxist society, which I still believe has never been seen, nor will be.

But if your meaning was simply, “Here are some examples of productive communists”; then yes, point taken.

 

[Siri]

Marxism is not Soviet Union era Communism. Hence, no need to discuss ‘bread lines’.

 

[Papa]

I got this strange feeling that you wouldn't have bothered making a thread if the guys started quote-reading out of Atlas Shrugged or whatever.

Are they equal opposites?

 

[Komatsu]

These are good points. But note that all of that took place within a capitalist society (which it seems can accommodate social reforms just fine). Those developments don’t amount to an example of a successful Marxist society, which I still believe has never been seen, nor will be.

Plato's Republic has never been seen, nor will be. Does this diminish his stature as a thinker? People tend to think Marx prescribed this kitsch dystopia of secret police and red flags, but he was a deep thinker who has influenced generations of philosophers and economists, not all of them on the left. I personally think that his Labor Theory of Value (LTV) is entirely bogus, but it's hard to fault someone who basically invented the field of labor economics as we know it!

Also, the dude was mean. The meanest pen in the nineteenth century. He reads a book called "The Philosophy of Poverty"and dislikes it. What does he do? He writes a book called The Poverty of Philosophy utterly rubbishing the other tome. His letters are full of the foulest language possible (he once famously called Lasalle a "Jewish n*****"). If Marx disagreed with you, he wouldn't politely disagree, he would write walls of text eviscerating every point of your argument and call you an imbecile in the process.

In short, the perfect role model for people who play long cRPGs

 

[HaveButOneLife]

Once again, horrible people give credit to horrible people, and yet these horrible people fail to give credit to the opposing philosophy that gave them all of their support and success in the first place.

Yes, let's "shout out" the ideology that has not only murdered hundreds of millions of people, but are also responsible for taking away the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of over 40 countries. It's absolutely baffling that anybody would even remotely subscribe to this hateful ideology, let alone flat-out praise it on a public level. Embarrassing.

Marxism is not Soviet Union era Communism. Hence, no need to discuss ‘bread lines’.

Seizing the means of production as a whole. Tomato, tomahto.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Sky high standards because I think some frumpy video game bitch looked better in a different game? Ok. Keep projecting wizardo.
Also David Jaffe turned into such a bitch lmao. He literally came here to argue with people then fucked off.

I don't see the issue. OneAngryGamer is a shitty site. It is no different than Kotaku or Polygon, just on the opposite side of the fence. Pure clickbait and sensationalist "writing" with a comment section that makes youtube blush.

Also, what is wrong with shouting out Marx and Engels? Two folks who had a prominent impact on the writing and world of Disco Elysium - a fantastic game by the way that is critical of communism, socialism, and almost all forms of government.

 

[HaveButOneLife]

GET POLITICS OUTTA MUH GAMES!
brap are you Billy D of OAG?
Didn't you guys say go make your own games? Now that they did you can't stop bitching!

I may have to keep hammering this on here, but politics aren't the issue, it's perfectly fine to portray games with political narrative themes.

What's not perfectly fine is shoving one's own personal ideologies upon others with the sole meaning of rubbing people the wrong way.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I may have to keep hammering this on here, but politics aren't the issue, it's perfectly fine to portray games with political narrative themes.

What's not perfectly fine is shoving one's own personal ideologies upon others with the sole meaning of rubbing people the wrong way.

Which this game doesn't do. So what is the issue?

 

[Stouffers]

I'm not partial to the martial
Or the plutocrats, in their beaver hats
And the fascists have the outfits
But I don't care for the outfits
What I care about is music Vidya Games
And the communists have the music Vidya Games

 

[Richard Packer]

Being triggered because Jill from RE3 isn't as "hot" as in remake is a sign of severe autism.

LMAO. This getting zero reactions is even funnier. You cut these boys deep with this one.

 

[Gp1]

A century and a half later from das capital and the manifest. The thing is still fundamentally flawled, still dont work, and will never going to work...

AND THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM THE RICHESTS NATIONS ON EARTH THAT STILL INSISTS ON IT!

if this isn't a stupidity and a waste of time, i don't know what it is

 

[existensmaximum]

Absolutely appalling. Just like I wouldn't support nazi devs, I'm not even touching that game with a stick.

 

[DR2K]

part of being a decent human being is respecting others beliefs.