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[SleepDoctor]

Probably something like this or similar
2020 - The Last of Us 2 (probably an upgrade to PS5)
2021 - The Last of Us 2 MP (or whatever they call it)
2020 - Ghost of Tsushima (probably with PS5 enhancements)
2020 - Dreams
2020-2021 - PS5 release window game Killzone MP or Socom or similar
2020-2021 - PS5 release window game probably Ratchet and Clank
2020-2021 - Ps5 release window game GT
2020-2021 - Ps5 release window game (remake by Bluepoint, probably Demon Souls??)
2021ish - The MLB Show
2021ish - God of War II
2022ish - HZD II
2022ish - Spider-Man 2
2022ish - Days Gone 2
2023ish - non-ND Uncharted game
2023ish - New Naught Dog Franchise


- Probably various titles being worked on by Japan Studio
- This leaves out their various studios working on VR titles

"Astroturfing" level 1000

Am i doing it right? Lol

Didn't know Days Gone 2 was announced and is coming 2022"ish"

This fanboy completely destroyed himself making up games and release dates. No need to take anything he/she says seriously

He stopped replying me after embarrassing himself and had to have a friend try and defend him. So don't bother, just keep liking what you like. That alone is killing him inside lol.

 

[DanielsM]

"Astroturfing" level 1000

Am i doing it right? Lol

Didn't know Days Gone 2 was announced and is coming 2022"ish"

This fanboy completely destroyed himself making up games and release dates. No need to take anything he/she says seriously

He stopped replying me after embarrassing himself and had to have a friend try and defend him. So don't bother, just keep liking what you like. That alone is killing him inside lol.

1. I never made up release dates, I clearly said my guess or estimated dates... which has been told you multiple times.
2. I didn't embarrass myself, you're simply a troll.
3. You're now my ignore list, have a nice life or whatever it is you think you are doing.

Oh by the way, nothing is killing me I simply just put trolls like yourself on my ignore, you haven't made any sense that I could see.... delusional.

 

[DanielsM]

As opposed to your never-ending anti-MS astroturfing?

You post nothing but negativity about any & everything MS, Xbox, and people that like them. It's literally your only contribution to this forum 90% of the time. Why are you so obsessed with MS, Xbox, Game Pass etc. Do you have any interests outside of complaining about MS?

I'm not hired by anyone to say anything, if you have issues with my comments you can respond to me in a reasonable manner and we can discuss. Its neither positive or negative, unless the negative busts your dreams and delusions. As soon as 90% of the strange Microsoft threads start disappearing maybe people wouldn't have to address them or discuss them. I'm not complaining about Microsoft, not really, I kind of laugh at all the strange fanboyism trying to make them something they're not.

Truth hurts they say, if you want to discuss something like a forum does without all the "Microsoft is going dominate", "microsoft is great" shit, I will. Spamming the board will the same silly rental services thread doesn't seem like it working, just saying.

Microsoft and rental services is the new "bowling is insane", it really isn't. If that gets your pansies in a twist, that's really too bad. Btw, most of the stuff I say about MS and gaming isn't really the truth.... for example, if you don't believe MS fucked over gamers, developers and publishers with GFWL royally... than you have to work for MS.... literally they have done some of the most fucked up shit imaginable .... literally people can't get their games now.

The whole Game Pass is going to take over the world thing I hope is astroturfing because I really can't believe someone would be that stupid to believe that.... but maybe I am wrong. Xbox fanboys are the new Games for Windows Live, Microsoft Store, Window Store, Windows Phone, Kinect, MS Band, etc. fanboys.... the rest of us just shake our heads and laugh.

 

[Vasto]

Game Pass is already the dominant subcription digital gaming server. Rumored to be at around 10 Million subcribers.

When Microsoft goes to a publisher and ask for their game to be on Game Pass all that publisher wants to know is how many subs do you have. That is why Microsoft is giving away Game Pass for $1.

 

[Gone]

It's only logical.

One or two publishers are big enough to have their own service, the rest of the market will go with Game Pass since it's the better deal as said by multiple devs.

 

[DanielsM]

Game Pass is already the dominant subcription digital gaming server. Rumored to be at around 10 Million subcribers.

When Microsoft goes to a publisher and ask for their game to be on Game Pass all that publisher wants to know is how many subs do you have. That is why Microsoft is giving away Game Pass for $1.

No what publishers/developers want to know is how much money they are going to make. Also, that brings up the point of how single player games can make money as most of these services pay by the hours played. Furthermore, I don't know how many subscribers Game Pass has, but nobody gives away a service for $1 if they can get someone to pay $10 a month.

The big publishers either already have their own services or are in the process of rolling them out, if there is a successful model... they'll pull them because PC is an open platform.

Desperation Level about 10.

It's only logical.

One or two publishers are big enough to have their own service, the rest of the market will go with Game Pass since it's the better deal as said by multiple devs.

Yet, there are already more than 2 publishers with their own services, and they are expanding.... but at the end of the day there isn't a bunch of movement because no real demand.

Demand has to be first, which is why Microsoft is giving it away.... its hard to see how anyone makes any real money here. I'm not sure what is so hard to figure out here. A single player title game like Spider-Man I would image has made many time more money than all of these streaming/rental services put together in their whole lifetimes.... the business model simply isn't there.

Xbots are still getting excited over Blockbuster - nobody cares, which is why Microsoft was handing it out like candy on Halloween.

 

[Vasto]

No what publishers/developers want to know is how much money they are going to make. Also, that brings up the point of how single player games can make money as most of these services pay by the hours played. Furthermore, I don't know how many subscribers Game Pass has, but nobody gives away a service for $1 if they can get someone to pay $10 a month.

The big publishers either already have their own services or are in the process of rolling them out, if there is a successful model... they'll pull them because PC is an open platform.

Desperation Level about 10.

Sorry but I have to disagree. The more subs you have on your service the more money you are going to make because that means more people will be playing your game meaning more potential buyers of your game and more people having access to what ever kind of cash shop is in your game. If you had a choice to put your game on PS Now or Game Pass which one are you going to put your game on? There is a reason why Game Pass is getting all game games.

Game Pass has already taken over. Nothing will ever compete with it.

 

[Bkdk]

Microsoft game pass is one of the biggest surprise For gaming of this decade. I always prefer RTS, simulation, open world Games And cRPGS, the games MS game pass is and will be offering are by far the best. As for Sony, it’s the most boring first party AAA titles since ps1.
Finally is my turn to get lucky at gaming with so many of my favorite upcoming titles selling for so cheap from game pass.

 

[DanielsM]

Sorry but I have to disagree. The more subs you have on your service the more money you are going to make because that means more people will be playing your game and having access to what ever kind of cash shop is in your game. If you had a choice to put your game on PS Now or Game Pass which one are you going to put your game on? There is a reason why Game Pass is getting all game games.

You can disagree, but how do you make money... the developers/publishers are paid by the hour.... so a single player game isn't going to be able to make any serious money.

There is a reason why Game Pass is getting all game games.

Dev/publishers are trying out different things, just like they do on PS Now... but how do they make money? They can't... video games are front loaded. A simple title like Spider-Man could easily pull in over $1b in revenue in sales, now do the subs on that..... the business model doesn't support it... unless subscription prices go up drastically..... people don't want to pay for it.... which is why Sony continues to roll out their $69.99 and $59.99 promotions.... and Microsoft rolls out their $1 promotions.... NO DEMAND, certainly no way of making any real money.

Either way, I don't get the excitement over Redbox.

 

[ManaByte]

You can disagree, but how do you make money... the developers/publishers are paid by the hour.... so a single player game isn't going to be able to make any serious money.

Wut

 

[Nikana]

Wut

Its not even funny at this point.

 

[DanielsM]

Wut

In the rental service, as far as I know they pay the devs/pubs by the hour of usage.... many of them complained about it i.e. no money for them.

Either way... there is no big money in any of this for anyone.... old games are cheap and not worth much.... new game are front loaded in revenue so the digital purchase model is the best.... the rental services can't make less money for everyone.

Let's take a game like God of War.... 10 million unit sales in a month.... that's just one game... now imagine 100s of games... how much is the subscriptions going to have to be to cover the costs.....even if you get them a ton more than $10 a month... the business model doesn't really make sense.

 

[Nikana]

In the rental service, as far as I know they pay the devs/pubs by the hour of usage.... many of them complained about it i.e. no money for them.

No they didn't.

 

[Vasto]

You can disagree, but how do you make money... the developers/publishers are paid by the hour.... so a single player game isn't going to be able to make any serious money.



Dev/publishers are trying out different things, just like they do on PS Now... but how do they make money? They can't... video games are front loaded. A simple title like Spider-Man could easily pull in over $1b in revenue in sales, now do the subs on that..... the business model doesn't support it... unless subscription prices go up drastically..... people don't want to pay for it.... which is why Sony continues to roll out their $69.99 and $59.99 promotions.... and Microsoft rolls out their $1 promotions.... NO DEMAND, certainly no way of making any real money.

Either way, I don't get the excitement over Redbox.

They make money from their game being sold or from micro transactions. How many times have we heard from a dev saying that sales of their game increased drastically by adding it to Game Pass?

Of course you are not excited for Red Box because your Red Box does not have anything worth renting.

 

[CatLady]

I'm not hired by anyone to say anything, if you have issues with my comments you can respond to me in a reasonable manner and we can discuss. Its neither positive or negative, unless the negative busts your dreams and delusions. As soon as 90% of the strange Microsoft threads start disappearing maybe people wouldn't have to address them or discuss them. I'm not complaining about Microsoft, not really, I kind of laugh at all the strange fanboyism trying to make them something they're not.

Truth hurts they say, if you want to discuss something like a forum does without all the "Microsoft is going dominate", "microsoft is great" shit, I will. Spamming the board will the same silly rental services thread doesn't seem like it working, just saying.

Microsoft and rental services is the new "bowling is insane", it really isn't. If that gets your pansies in a twist, that's really too bad. Btw, most of the stuff I say about MS and gaming isn't really the truth.... for example, if you don't believe MS fucked over gamers, developers and publishers with GFWL royally... than you have to work for MS.... literally they have done some of the most fucked up shit imaginable .... literally people can't get their games now.

The whole Game Pass is going to take over the world thing I hope is astroturfing because I really can't believe someone would be that stupid to believe that.... but maybe I am wrong. Xbox fanboys are the new Games for Windows Live, Microsoft Store, and Window Store fanboys.... the rest of us just shake our heads and laugh.

First of all I DID address you in a reasonable manner. It's a simple fact that at least 90% of your posts are either concern trolling MS or complaining about MS.

People can like something without being a fanboy or astroturfing. If as you say "I'm not hired by anyone to say anything" why do you feel it's necessary for YOU to battle the 'strange Microsoft threads' instead of simply ignoring them? People can make threads and make comments about things they like even if you don't like those things and since you're not a Mod it's not your job to regulate what threads/comments can be posted.

I personally don't think Sony & Nintendo exclusives are the greatest games ever, but lots people here do and that's great, I'm glad they enjoy them. We don't all like the same things. Just because I don't like those games doesn't mean I need to complain endlessly about others liking them or whine about fans making posts/threads about how great those games are.

I don't think anyone is saying that Game Pass is going to take over the world, but a lot of people, even some Sony & Nintendo fans with PCs think Game Pass is a good thing for gamers. You don't, that's fine move on and stop endlessly complaining about it. Take a look at you post history and do a little self reflection. For your own sake you should go find something you DO enjoy instead of constantly sowing negativity.

Edited for clarity

 

[DanielsM]

First of all I DID address you in a reasonable manner. It's a simple fact that at least 90% of your posts are either concern trolling MS or complaining about MS.

No they are not, I usually address the silly post.... like "game pass is likely to become the dominate..."

Literally anyone that believes most of the silly things in these types of threads have to be astroturfing because its hard to believe anyone is that stupid..... but I might be wrong. Literally this is the same stupid people that believe the whole "infinite power of da cloud" astroturfing campaign.

I don't think anyone is saying that Game Pass is going to take over the world

Well, you need to learn to read, it says it right in the title of this thread, imo, "dominates".

For your own sake you should go find something you DO enjoy instead of constantly sowing negativity.

Pot meet kettle.


Game Pass probably has 10 paying customer and it probably generates 10 new threads a day here. Taking over the world... one homeless person at a time.

Fuck, if Microsoft invested even half their silly marketing campaign into actually making games... jesus. Make games.... shutup about fucking rental and streaming services... if you don't have games... you're screwed.

 

[CatLady]

No they are not, I usually address the silly post.... like "game pass is likely to become the dominate..."

Literally anyone that believes most of the silly things in these types of threads have to be astroturfing because its hard to believe anyone is that stupid..... but I might be wrong. Literally this is the same stupid people that believe the whole "infinite power of da cloud" astroturfing campaign.



Well, you need to learn to read, it says it right in the title of this thread, imo, "dominates".



Pot meet kettle.

I think YOU need to learn to read
It says:
From the way things are going, Xbox Game Pass is likely become the dominate Streaming/Subscription gaming service

If it isn't already, it's certainly a reasonable contender.

 

[DanielsM]

I think YOU need to learn to read
It says:
From the way things are going, Xbox Game Pass is likely become the dominate Streaming/Subscription gaming service

If it isn't already, it's certainly a reasonable contender.

Exactly, 10 fucking threads from the same people about a fucking silly fucking rental service, and how they're going to dominate. Literally, there will probably be a whole bunch more threads by tomorrow talking about Blockbuster i.e. Game Pass.... Blockbuster is insane.

You don't see threads on Valve Steam, Origins, PS Now, EA Access, etc every fucking day... because at the end of the day... they're just distribution channels. Fuck me, Walmart is awesome.... I go in there... they have a game... and wham I buy the game.... I can play the game... than I lend it to my friend the next day.... wham awesome.... lets start 10 threads a day on how cool Walmart is.

I would say buying a game off at Walmart or any other distribution channel is almost not game related unless there is something unique with a particular part of the transaction.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This OP does post this same thread every other month, and it always ends up with the same outcome inside it.

 

[SleepDoctor]

1. I never made up release dates, I clearly said my guess or estimated dates... which has been told you multiple times.
2. I didn't embarrass myself, you're simply a troll.
3. You're now my ignore list, have a nice life or whatever it is you think you are doing.

Oh by the way, nothing is killing me I simply just put trolls like yourself on my ignore, you haven't made any sense that I could see.... delusional.

Too bad you did embarrass yourself and needed someone to defend you.

Please amuse me with some proof oh HZD 2, DG 2, and the games you made up were announced oh and the release dates.

Only troll here is you going in any and every xbox thread trying to trigger people. But make yourself look a fool in the process.

Thats why you're so triggered. Put me on ignore, doesn't matter. Its same as if you didn't cuz your posts carry absolutely no weight and you exposed yourself lol.

 

[CatLady]

Exactly, 10 fucking threads from the same people about a fucking silly fucking rental service, and how they're going to dominate. Literally, there will probably be a whole bunch more threads by tomorrow talking about Blockbuster i.e. Game Pass.... Blockbuster is insane.

You don't see threads on Valve Steam, Origins, PS Now, EA Access, etc every fucking day... because at the end of the day... they're just distribution channels.

Wow, Game Pass really has you wound up doesn't it? Careful you're going to have an aneurysm over "silly fucking rental service"

 

[DanielsM]

Wow, Game Pass really has you wound up doesn't it? Careful you're going to have an aneurysm over "silly fucking rental service"

No, its actually kind of laughable.

Xbot: Game Pass is insane.
Me: Why?
Xbot: You like rent games and such.
Me: Cool, I used PS Now a few times for testing and use to rent from Blockbusters.
Xbot: No, its more than that... its like super rad... you don't just rent games... you're like a super hero.
Me:
Xbox: I'll prove it to you, I can create 10 new Game Pass threads before you can blink.
Me: I'm sure you will.

 

[its_justJEFF]

Wrong. In the beginning it was because the service wasn't all that and Sony knew it. Now they don't do it to keep from embarrassing themselves against the likes of Gamepass. GP is a monster and its only getting bigger. Don't delude yourself. It is what it is.

Wow, we real aggro today huh LOL Basically what I got from that is "I'm 100% right. Stop trying to defend Playstation. Xbox RUULLLLEESSS"

Relax dude LOL. It's video games. no one here is trying to down play the "monster" that Gamepass is.

 

[Jigsaah]

Late to the party as usual. Hope everyone's holiday was great.

OP is probably right on a lot of things but I don't understands how Nintendo can drop a bomb like the Wii U and people don't say they should get out of the console business, yet Xbox has one gen that doesn't really flop...but flops only in comparison to the 360 and Sony, and people are practically begging for Microsoft to get out the console business. 45 million consoles sold is nothing to sneeze at if you look at in a vacuum. It's not Sony, but shit...do you see Burger King getting out of business because McDonald's sells more burgers? It's idiotic to do that. You're still making money hands over fist. The point is even further proven by the amount of work that went into the XSX. Not to mention the still yet unconfirmed Lockhart console.

Gamepass + Xcloud being the de facto streaming service is...almost inevitable for all the reasons the OP mentions. However, to think this means they can't compete on a console level as well is just ludicrous.

 

[Mod of War]

No, its actually kind of laughable.

Xbot: Game Pass is insane.
Me: Why?
Xbot: You like rent games and such.
Me: Cool, I used PS Now a few times for testing and use to rent from Blockbusters.
Xbot: No, its more than that... its like super rad... you don't just rent games... you're like a super hero.
Me:
Xbox: I'll prove it to you, I can create 10 new Game Pass threads before you can blink.
Me: I'm sure you will.

Let’s move on. Nobody is convincing anyone in here on any side, and it’s divulging into a petty back and forth.

 

[CatLady]

Let’s move on. Nobody is convincing anyone in here on any side, and it’s divulging into a petty back and forth.

Agreed

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Even for $1 a month I wouldnt sub to 'GamePass' as I'm already paying £3 for NowTV, £10 for Netflix, £25 for my 100GB mobile data per month, £79 for Prime a year on top of countless other shit I dont really need but which takes up all my spare time and some.

To add to that, the content on Gamepass is shite.

 

[SleepDoctor]

Wow, we real aggro today huh LOL Basically what I got from that is "I'm 100% right. Stop trying to defend Playstation. Xbox RUULLLLEESSS"

Relax dude LOL. It's video games. no one here is trying to down play the "monster" that Gamepass is.

All it takes is one moronic fanboy post to get the others going. Both sides have fanboys that almost make me feel embarrassed I own an xbox or a ps.

 

[PropellerEar]

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Please amuse me with some proof oh HZD 2, DG 2, and the games you made up were announced oh and the release dates.

Clearly he said that's these are his guesses. Exactly he made the release dates up!!! That is clear.

What kind of genius are you?
How is this guy supposed to give proof that these dates are real when they are from his imagination.

What kind of retarded bully tactic is this?

 

[PropellerEar]

Why I'm against any game subscription is I don't want the games, that I fear publishers will make.

Artificial time sinks, busy work missions, MTX... I can't even imagine the perversions they will come up with if main delivery channel is a monthly sub.

 

[Nikana]

Why I'm against any game subscription is I don't want the games, that I fear publishers will make.

Artificial time sinks, busy work missions, MTX... I can't even imagine the perversions they will come up with if main delivery channel is a monthly sub.

They already make those?

 

[SleepDoctor]

Clearly he said that's these are his guesses. Exactly he made the release dates up!!! That is clear.

What kind of genius are you?
How is this guy supposed to give proof that these dates are real when they are from his imagination.

What kind of retarded bully tactic is this?

He stated them as his argument in another thread. Now they're "guesses". Don't jump into something if you don't know what's going on.

If an xbox fanboy did it, this one would have a field day with it.

Don't dish it if you can't take it as well as you like to give it.

 

[PropellerEar]

They already make those?

Exactly, I don't like them now either.

 

[Nikana]

Exactly, I don't like them now either.

I don't see how game pass is changing that?

 

[PropellerEar]

I don't see how game pass is changing that?

If the main way to make money is through time sink or MTX I don't want more of it.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Gamepass is the only strategy MS can employ being 3rd place behind PS4 and Switch. Those two are far more successful worldwide and it's no wonder that both also have stellar first-party content, something MS have lacked for going on 5 years now.

 

[its_justJEFF]

All it takes is one moronic fanboy post to get the others going. Both sides have fanboys that almost make me feel embarrassed I own an xbox or a ps.

Both side are rampant with them. They kinda set "gamers" back sometimes. I think most gamers are normal, well adjusted, cool, individuals... that sometimes lose their ishh and turn into little twats LOL

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Game Pass is already the dominant subcription digital gaming server. Rumored to be at around 10 Million subcribers.

When Microsoft goes to a publisher and ask for their game to be on Game Pass all that publisher wants to know is how many subs do you have. That is why Microsoft is giving away Game Pass for $1.

No it doesn't work like that at all. The publishers are going to ask Microsoft the following:

"How much are you going to pay us to put the game on your service?"

"Will it make up for the potential loss in full purchase price buyers?"

Let's look at that math. Lets say a game, we will call it "Experiment" needs to sale 5 million copies on Xbox to be successful. Lets assume the game will retail for $60 and very liberally assume that the publisher will get $30 of the $60 cost. So 5 million x $30 = $150 million is what selling 5 million copies of Experiment would make in revenue. MS would have to pretty much guarantee that they can make back the lost revenue of individual sales.

By your logic MS would say: "Well we have 25M subscribers!"
The publishers would say: "OK, so how does that number help us compensate for the $150 million in revenue lost from potential buyers?"

And that is just for that one individual game. Other questions, would be how does it affect long term sales for other games? Market viability. Is it devaluing the product, etc?

Yes, I am aware that not all direct sales would be lost due to Gamepass, but a significant number of them would.

 

[PropellerEar]

He stated them as his argument in another thread. Now they're "guesses". Don't jump into something if you don't know what's going on.

If an xbox fanboy did it, this one would have a field day with it.

Don't dish it if you can't take it as well as you like to give it.

What you quoted, say in the beginning that the dates are tales from his ass.

 

[Self High Five]

Maybe people just really like the service.

Look Ive been buying shit on Steam sales for almost a decade now. Yet after 2 months of GamePass I am looking at the sale and hesitating because hey what if the game comes to GP next year? And lots of games I did buy, or wanted to buy, have already landed on it (like a week or 2 ago - Age of Wonders Planetfall). So if MS can break 10 years of customer behavior with their service they might be onto something here.

Wait, so you will pass up purchasing a digital download that will be in your possession permanently as long as Steam exists because there is a subscription service that you will have to keep paying for ?

Even if you're subscribed to game pass through one of the cheap deals available, eventually you'll have to pay $160 a year to keep access to it & that's if only *fingers crossed* MS doesn't remove it from the lineup. How can that be more beneficial than passing up cheap Steam sales with much more control over the content that you purchase?

Not shitting on game pass but it's weird seeing people celebrate having less control over content they consume.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Late to the party as usual. Hope everyone's holiday was great.

OP is probably right on a lot of things but I don't understands how Nintendo can drop a bomb like the Wii U and people don't say they should get out of the console business, yet Xbox has one gen that doesn't really flop...but flops only in comparison to the 360 and Sony, and people are practically begging for Microsoft to get out the console business. 45 million consoles sold is nothing to sneeze at if you look at in a vacuum. It's not Sony, but shit...do you see Burger King getting out of business because McDonald's sells more burgers? It's idiotic to do that. You're still making money hands over fist. The point is even further proven by the amount of work that went into the XSX. Not to mention the still yet unconfirmed Lockhart console.

Gamepass + Xcloud being the de facto streaming service is...almost inevitable for all the reasons the OP mentions. However, to think this means they can't compete on a console level as well is just ludicrous.

Who is begging MS to get out of the console business? I'm not seeing many posters make this argument.

 

[Vasto]

No it doesn't work like that at all. The publishers are going to ask Microsoft the following:

"How much are you going to pay us to put the game on your service?"

"Will it make up for the potential loss in full purchase price buyers?"

Let's look at that math. Lets say a game, we will call it "Experiment" needs to sale 5 million copies on Xbox to be successful. Lets assume the game will retail for $60 and very liberally assume that the publisher will get $30 of the $60 cost. So 5 million x $30 = $150 million is what selling 5 million copies of Experiment would make in revenue. MS would have to pretty much guarantee that they can make back the lost revenue of individual sales.

Yes it does work like that. I am not saying the things your mentioned are not asked at all but they ultimately they are trying to sell their games. That is where the most money is going to come from and they want to see potential sales. So if you got 1 service with 1 millon sub and another with 10 million subs the latter is the one that will get the most games on its service.

 

[SleepDoctor]

What you quoted, say in the beginning that the dates are tales from his ass.

"Probably or similar" and was preceded by a "whatchu talkin bout" gif.

You don't state opinions as facts for your argument. Then get mad when called out on it and ask people to defend you.

If you feel the need to defend his honor, by all means go ahead lol. I have no emotional attachment to either piece of plastic, let alone what some fanboy on a forum says.


Ps. Should do some research before jumping into someone else's conversation.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Yes it does work like that. I am not saying the things your mentioned are not asked at all but they ultimately they are trying to sell their games. That is where the most money is going to come from and they want to see potential sales. So if you got 1 service with 1 millon sub and another with 10 million subs the latter is the one that will get the most games on its service.

You're assuming that these publishers have only the option to choose between subscribers. You're neglecting the option that many publishers will likely go with and that being to forgo putting their games on any subscription service and continue to sell their games normally. That's what Gamepass is up against and subscriber numbers arent going to change that unless Gamepass can compensate for the lost revenue.

 

[PropellerEar]

"Probably or similar" and was preceded by a "whatchu talkin bout" gif.

You don't state opinions as facts for your argument. Then get mad when called out on it and ask people to defend you.

If you feel the need to defend his honor, by all means go ahead lol. I have no emotional attachment to either piece of plastic, let alone what some fanboy on a forum says.


Ps. Should do some research before jumping into someone else's conversation.

Well didn't follow the original posts, but saw some perculiar bully tactics based on what was posted now.

 

[SleepDoctor]

Well didn't follow the original posts, but saw some perculiar bully tactics based on what was posted now.

If calling someone out on their bs is considered bullying, then so be it.

He loves going into every xbox thread to start some shit, just like some like going in every ps thread talking shit.

Don't like a thread, don't post in it. It'll eventually disappear. Crying in it will still keep it on the first page.

 

[New Yorks Finest]

Another fucking thread about gamepass? Is this a religion or something? Does it cure cancer? Tell me, what am I missing because clearly it's the greatest shit since sliced bread seeing as this is thread number 1000 about it...

@EviLore I am serious is this forum bought out by Microsoft or something? I get the praise and discussion and I was always sceptical of calling people paid shills but holy moly this is really getting fishy.

I never threadwine but damn...

I always thought it was the other way around..a Sony land up in this bish

 

[DanielsM]

No it doesn't work like that at all. The publishers are going to ask Microsoft the following:

"How much are you going to pay us to put the game on your service?"

"Will it make up for the potential loss in full purchase price buyers?"

Let's look at that math. Lets say a game, we will call it "Experiment" needs to sale 5 million copies on Xbox to be successful. Lets assume the game will retail for $60 and very liberally assume that the publisher will get $30 of the $60 cost. So 5 million x $30 = $150 million is what selling 5 million copies of Experiment would make in revenue. MS would have to pretty much guarantee that they can make back the lost revenue of individual sales.

By your logic MS would say: "Well we have 25M subscribers!"
The publishers would say: "OK, so how does that number help us compensate for the $150 million in revenue lost from potential buyers?"

And that is just for that one individual game. Other questions, would be how does it affect long term sales for other games? Market viability. Is it devaluing the product, etc?

Yes, I am aware that not all direct sales would be lost due to Gamepass, but a significant number of them would.

Logic in a game rental/streaming thread, there is a God. Nice post btw.

There really isn't a business model to support this stuff as it stands currently, I mean there can be rental services (as there has always been) but it will just be an alternative revenue stream and will most probably make up a very small percentage of gaming revenue streams. The major publisher already have their own digital distribution, rental, and streaming channels are in the process of rolling them out. A small alternative revenue stream is possible as its been for 30 year, dominate anything, unlikely as you have mentioned.... even if they were... publishers don't need MS as PC is open, again as you mentioned.

I'm not sure what MS would bring to the table other than their own titles so their competition is against all the other rental/streaming services, I really don't see any of them making any real money.... as it will only bring down chances of positive cash flow.... digital purchases is where the money is... upfront money within 6 months of release.

 

[DanielsM]

Yes it does work like that. I am not saying the things your mentioned are not asked at all but they ultimately they are trying to sell their games. That is where the most money is going to come from and they want to see potential sales. So if you got 1 service with 1 millon sub and another with 10 million subs the latter is the one that will get the most games on its service.

There are already distribution channels with 100s of millions of users, there is no real reason for most of the big publishers to go to the MS Store, which is why they generally skipped it after Games for Windows Live, they have their own channels as well as Steam.

Once you get outside the closed environments i.e. PC, there is no reason to use Microsoft. and most of the distribution channels are better and have more customers which is why GFWL went belly up and MS Store is dead man walking. Microsoft is trying to find a way to be the middleman after their multiple digital distribution failures i.e. GFWL and MS STore , but no additional middlemen are really needed.

 

[diffusionx]

Wait, so you will pass up purchasing a digital download that will be in your possession permanently as long as Steam exists because there is a subscription service that you will have to keep paying for ?

Even if you're subscribed to game pass through one of the cheap deals available, eventually you'll have to pay $160 a year to keep access to it & that's if only *fingers crossed* MS doesn't remove it from the lineup. How can that be more beneficial than passing up cheap Steam sales with much more control over the content that you purchase?

Not shitting on game pass but it's weird seeing people celebrate having less control over content they consume.

If I really like a game over GP I can buy it, either through MS or Steam. It’s not a permanent situation or anything. But after years of buying games only to have them sit in my account unplayed...

Like one game I was eyeing was Wargroove. I didn’t buy it and it is on GP now. It’s an ok game, and $14 on Steam if I wanted to own it, but if it left GP tomorrow I wouldn’t miss it. So yea having access to that game temporarily and 100 others strikes me as a superior situation than spending $10-$15 on a bunch of games many of which sit un played for years.

It’s almost a response to the deluge of games we are flooded with these days.