HeisenbergFX4
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I'll believe them before I believe Timdog, Mistermediax or Penello
I have faith in Kleegamefan as well especially him saying both machines are close.
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I have faith in Kleegamefan as well especially him saying both machines are close.
Gamernyc78
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Why is the Githib repo the most meaningful thing? You've had ppl in the industry make comments whose words were valid before but now all of a sudden they are not because they say ps5 is more powerful? I don't understand how now it's dismiss all those comments by ppl who have industry contacts like Reiner, Klee, Schreir and Matt.
But yes we shall wait and see. Official confirmation day will be an ex iting one.
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Because it fucking came from AMDs ASIC engineers testing 2020 chips? Jesus people...who the f is Kleegamefan?
Not one of the chips mentioned in repo came out, they are all scheduled for 2020 (Renoir, MI100, Oberon, Arden, Sparkman). Why do you think people will trust "yea they are def close" by Kleegamefan then literal data coming from AMD GPU engineers? (That was removed from Githun and twitter)?
Check specs I posted few posts above. If these spec from Github match final consoles, they will be 50% closer then X vs Pro - therefore certainly close.
OsirisBlack
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Seems I missed quite a bit, If you think there is that much of a difference in these machines power then you're going to be disappointed. They are both very close and Neither is under 10. I will stand on what I said they are both very competitive and the difference is minimal. You have a month a week and a few days until its official.
Navi10 is in the repo and is 100% out the only way we are going to know if it matches the actual console is to wait till it's announced. One weird thing is the large amount of bandwidth per flop, it doesn't really make sense to overspec it that much unless we are missing more of the picture.
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Sorry yes, apart from Navi10 all other chips are not out. I think when repo was created (2018 06 month) it was filled with Navi 10 data first.
Physiognomonics
Member
2 errors: We can see the ram bandwidth of Arden on the github leak: 560GB/s theoretical and only 16GB of total memory for Arden according to all insiders (that also leaked 4TF / 12tf etc.).
Which is exactly what was guessed by many after this year E3 Scarlett reveal using their motherboard render.
Sorry yes, I used 16Gbps.
Oberon went from 448GB/s to 512GB/s to 530GB/s and I have to imagine final console will have 18Gbps chips (perhaps downclocked to 530GB/s).
That is only question. Can be within few % or 10%, doubt MS will go for more then 640GB/s.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
This this this
Aceofspades
Banned
Leave him be, he likes to inflate Xbox numbers.
BattleScar
Member
Because while it may not be up to date or whatever, it is pretty clear cut. Stuff "insiders" had said, whether that's K Lee or Tom Warren or Matt or Penello or whoever, was vague and to me it didn't mean a whole lot.
They may have some genuine information...who knows for sure? I know I don't. But incomplete information or information misinterpreted by people who haven't the faintest clue about integrated circuit design is worse than no information.
The fact that people still entertain the whole "Is it GCN TF or RDNA TF" conversation is proof enough of that.
But I don't believe anything until I hear it from the horse's mouth. Or unless it's a verifiably accurate source.
Racer!
Member
It seems you first decide on an agenda, then go looking for evidence to support it. That can get you to all kinds of places, the truth not being one of them.
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Dee Dah Dave
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People still buying into the red pill blue pill guy? 
THE:MILKMAN
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People still buying into the red pill blue pill guy?
I said before I take all "insiders" info at face value, but reserve the right to question them all.
Ok 5 chips in repo are not released, one is - Navi 5700.
Repo was created in June 2018 and updated throughout till June 2019. Easy to assume which chip data was first filled out.
Racer!
Member
I dont question the info. But its worth very little as long as you cant tie it to near final PS5 silicon. This can go in many directions still. Big pieces of the puzzle still missing.
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chemical boy
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Thank you very much Osiris, just 2 doubts. Do you maintain that PS5 is something ahead? Do you think it is possible for Sony to announce something of PS5 in ces? thanks
Dee Dah Dave
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In my view nobody qualifies as an insider unless they provide some real evidence. Anyone can post a couple of vague sentences which cover most bases and have the fallback of ‘things change’. It’s useless.
vpance
Member
People keep ignoring the deluge of similar insider hints in favor of their own head canon. It's really weird. Reminds me of last gen pre launch.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I do agree but then I also get why anyone with real info might not want to share the full details of where and from who they got the info with strangers on a forum. Even if they are mods/admin.
policestationx
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AMD > insiders' imaginary specs.
CyberPanda
Banned
Could MS overclock?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Given that option.....I'd spend that $599 so fast lol! Dude I bought the PS3 at launch.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
People with real info have nothing to really gain by sharing what they have heard or think.
People are going to believe what they want anyhow.
Plus people that do in fact have real info have to be super careful in how they present it even to mods.
THE:MILKMAN
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I must admit I'm starting to think we are missing something really big with all these leaked chips. 1.8-2.0Ghz on the GPU and 3.2-3.5GHz on a much more powerful CPU just doesn't add up in a console size box (again the XSX box shown is tiny).
I feel major twists coming but can't tell if good or bad....
I feel major twists coming but can't tell if good or bad....
So not only 2Ghz gpu but 18gbps ram too?
Might be a design to consider if Sony want to make a personal heater, not so much for a home console.
sonomamashine
Member
hi everyone, can anybody put me up to speed, what's the status ?
I dont think its tiny, it has 50% more volume then Xbox One X. That one emited ~180W in gaming, so you can do the math what can this mean.
Well, thats only way you will get good BW on 256bit bus. 320bit bus and 16Gbps is likely very close in terms of wattage (as on this one you have 10 chips, instead of 8 +
wider bus).
We don't know anything but it is fun to throw numbers around and see who is closest.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
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384 bit + 12 chips for 24GB would be the way I would go but maybe 18gbps ram is more efficient and if it is great.
You literally trolled him with a meme.
I think a lot of us on here can use a little self reflection, especially the past week or so.
THE:MILKMAN
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Granted the volume is larger but then the footprint of XSX is little more than a CD case. How will the components be arranged in such a 'tall' box? I looked at (very expensive) PC ITX cases of similar size and thermals and noise aren't very good when you put high-end components in them.
BattleScar
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The bigger the chip, the harder it is to overclock.
Power consumption and thermals go out of control much faster. Scaling at higher frequencies tends to not work as well - particularly if there are bandwidth limitations.
They could do it. But it would be challenging. The XSX is big, but it's still smaller than an ITX chassis. And before anyone says "Vapour chamber cooling", just remember that vapour chambers are by no means advanced as a cooling technology.
I've also had a thought. The PS5 and XSX are believed to be 300mm2 and 350mm2 correct? How did Microsoft manage to fit 40% more shaders with only 17% more area?
I suppose they may be using N7+ and Sony may not, but I seriously doubt AMD would commit their 7+ wafers to low margins, when they can make millions of Epyc Milan CCDs and chuck them at data centres at far higher margins. Microsoft (and/or Sony) would have to be seriously overpaying for a newer node.
And before anyone says RDNA2 - features can be backported.
Dee Dah Dave
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Tens of thousands of developers know the real info by now. Obviously they have serious NDA’s and they are professionals and do not break them. The people posting “guys I know stuff but I can’t tell you” sound more like immature kids than working professionals.
I remember the days when people would take anything the likes of Thuway would say seriously. And in the end they turn out to be nothing more than lying silly fanboys.
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But 384bit bus is 32mm² larger then 256bit one. It would also mean 12 chips, 4 more then with 256 bit bus. So even if they are 14Gbps there are 50% more of them vs 8 on 256bit.
384bit bus is huge no no IMO. You can fit additional 8WGPs (16CUs) for that size.
18Gbps on 256bit bus will mean much smaller die size and ~ smaller wattage vs 384bit and 14Gbps chips.
mrBarrelNut
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I don't think AMD is contracting the manufacturing of these chips? At least MS has previously done that by themselves?
TeamGhobad
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Thank you.
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That is leak from taiwanese forum and while I think its legit, its probably estimate.
I believe in PCB PS5 leak from May and 316mm² die size, while XSX would be around 360-370mm² (as indicated by Scarlet reveal video). Thats ~50mm2 more.
320bit bus will result in 16mm² more die space and 20CUs (Arden has 60 v 40 in Oberon) would be ~40mm².
Keep it in mind that Arden has same amount of ROPs as Oberon, therefore they cut 32ROPs from additional 20CUs.
I would also assume PS5 will have additional small bus for DDR4 like Pro did, as well as in house 3D Audio engine.
nowhat
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Consensus? Hah! There's the People's Front of Judea. And the Judean People's Front. And also the Popular Front, but his opinion doesn't matter. (Splitters!)
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TeamGhobad
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13 vega tflops perhaps...but why would they use 5700 card and ducktape RT on top of it instead of just using a card with inherit RT. it sounds very budget in a way....but sony can't sell at a loss MS can.
THE:MILKMAN
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Given Osiris' last post does 12th February sound right for the PS5 reveal?
nowhat
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Despite all the "$599!!!" PS3 was sold at tremendous loss at launch, something like $300 per console. It is doubtful they'd be willing to take such a hit next gen (damn near bankrupted the company) - but things are different nowadays, SIE is a cash cow for Sony. So at some loss, why not.
With PSN & Xbox Live they both can sell at a loss.
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