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[Papa]

Want to play a fun game? Count the posters who are handwringing about TaySan being picked on but who only post in this thread. Like Dodunpanky said, it’s an effective honeypot. It’s basically Resetera-lite for those banned from Ree but who aren’t mentally ready to reintegrate back into society.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Another day and another Bernie thread locked.

It's not so much to be on the left side of the spectrum anymore, it's now you have to be specifically adherent to an exact view of policies and issues.

But... right side of history and fighting fascism, am I right?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Maybe discuss that with Resetera staff?

Maybe nush will sacrifice one of his accounts to (in)validate my prediction.

Maybe I will just respond to you, since you felt the need to speak for them.

 

[Yoshi]

Maybe I will just respond to you, since you felt the need to speak for them.

I did not speak for them, I said what I think is likely to happen if TaySan were to listen to the awful advice people were giving to him. If someone says "go to the police and smoke a joint there", I do not need to speak for the police to notice that this is bad advice*.

* Of course, in this case, it contains two separate pieces of bad advice: Smoking a joint in the first place and doing it in front of the police, particularly.

 

[pulga]

It is a big staff, so it is not to be expected they are absolutely consistent, but it would be a novel behaviour for them, so I stand by my claim that it is very unlikely that TaySan has anything to lose by not attacking @B-Dubs based on those quotes. On the contrary, he would probably be banned for it.

You know, my second perm was handed out to me for my posting behaviour on this site, what kind of strategy do you think it would be to try to regain my RE-account by posting here?

I think we would do good in not throwing around any unfounded diagnoses. Stockholm syndrome and autism must be the two most abused terms on this forum.

I somehow have a feeling that @excelsiorlef has no issues getting attention, as long as she does not care whether it is positive or negative.
I have no contact to Resetera administration, so I cannot say one way or the other, but that would be a pretty stupid reason not to ban excelsiorlef. If excelsiorlef is so unhinged to kill herself over a ban, she would probably kill herself one way or the other sooner or later. If anything, moderation would probably be more worried to have a reaction similar to Ketkat's ban a few months back, because for some strange reason, excelsiorlef seems to be pretty popular, even though she is incredibly aggressive and arrogant.

huh, this post made me click on b-dubs and he was last seen online here yesterday

B-Dubs
No Scrubs
Joined Mar 19, 2012
Last seen Yesterday at 10:46 PM

iiiiiiiiiinteresting...scrubbing anything perhaps? keeping an eye on this thread? if so, dear sweet TaySan is not long for this world

 

[wonderboyd89]

Another day and another Bernie thread locked.

It's not so much to be on the left side of the spectrum anymore, it's now you have to be specifically adherent to an exact view of policies and issues.

They're so afraid of Bernie upsetting the status quo for some reason.

They seem to forget trump turned everything on its head in 2016.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I did not speak for them, I said what I think is likely to happen if TaySan were to listen to the awful advice people were giving to him. If someone says "go to the police and smoke a joint there", I do not need to speak for the police to notice that this is bad advice*.

* Of course, in this case, it contains two separate pieces of bad advice: Smoking a joint in the first place and doing it in front of the police, particularly.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Considering how old the comments are and the fact that you all are publicly speculating on trying to leak it I think most people would say that what he said is bad, but that Gaf is just trying to stir shit up for the lulz in order to try and get rid of an Era mod.


Which to be fair is basically what you would be doing. And that would be the focus. Not the comments themselves.

I do think there is absolutely some shit stirring, but also a legitimate claim that if they're going to use old words & deeds against people they don't like/don't think right according to them, why shouldn't they be held to the same standard with their own old words & deeds?

They de-modded Royalan over a NeoGAF post from the past that was WAY less offensive than any of the screen caps of what BDubs and the other mods have said. Why are there rules for thee but not for me?

 

[Nobody_Important]

I do think there is absolutely some shit stirring, but also a legitimate claim that if they're going to use old words & deeds against people they don't like/don't think right according to them, why shouldn't they be held to the same standard with their own old words & deeds?

They de-modded Royalan over a NeoGAF post from the past that was WAY less offensive than any of the screen caps of what BDubs and the other mods have said. Why are there rules for thee but not for me?

Don't ask me. I'm just telling you what I think would happen.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Don't ask me. I'm just telling you what I think would happen.

It was more rhetorical than asking you to respond.

And I agree it'd most likely go nowhere. Most of the "big" and "important" posters over there post.. over there for a reason. Even without showcasing B-Dubs bigoted views, there are ample examples every day of how terrible it can be over there, and most of the users can find the internal fortitude to look the other way, or stick to their threads/etc.

Would a COUPLE of people be incensed to learn the new GM is a bigot? Probably, but it's not going to cause a huge uproar or call for his firing because the ones who WOULD get up in arms over it, actually like it there and want things to stay the way they are.

Best case scenario would be to fit it in one of the Bernie or Trans threads, where everyone involved is already heated, and throw those posts in there like a grenade. It's what Sabrina did with the transpocalypse last year to get Royalan killed, to great effect.

 

[Scopa]

Holy crap. Krejlooc was one of the most knowledgeable people about old hardware there. There basically was never an uninteresting Krejlooc thread.

RE lost a significant (in a good way) member if he requested a self-ban.

He was a self-important, unhinged prick who (on OldGAF) used to ban bait and insult other members whilst spamming the report button.

Wouldn’t piss on him if he were on fire.

huh, this post made me click on b-dubs and he was last seen online here yesterday

B-Dubs
No Scrubs
Joined Mar 19, 2012
Last seen Yesterday at 10:46 PM

iiiiiiiiiinteresting...scrubbing anything perhaps? keeping an eye on this thread? if so, dear sweet TaySan is not long for this world

I knew this would happen. Scrub-a-dub-dub.

 

[captainraincoat]

He was a self-important, unhinged prick who (on OldGAF) used to ban bait and insult other members whilst spamming the report button.

Wouldn’t piss on him if he were on fire.



I knew this would happen. Scrub-a-dub-dub.

Wonder if he has been scrub a dubbing his post history on here....seems to be the reee way when they are caught out on something

Just like the nothing to hide pedo discord

 

[eot]

Wonder if he has been scrub a dubbing his post history on here....seems to be the reee way when they are caught out on something

Most old threads are locked by now tho, aren't they?

 

[Scopa]

Most old threads are locked by now tho, aren't they?

Does that prevent you editing posts?

 

[Rentahamster]

Lol You guys can be a bit dramatic at times.
Anyways I don't have any duty to do anything as far as B dub is concerned. He hasn't broke any laws. Maybe he said some shitty things in his youth he needs to clarify on, but nothing I need to report to the authorities. That dirty laundry isn't my business.

Let me see if I can try to facilitate communication to get to the heart of what people are saying. To be clear, I'm basically rephrasing and reframing the content for clarity and not necessarily supporting or endorsing this course of action. You're a big boy; you can make your own decisions for yourself:

1. Philosophically, you hold people to a high standard according to your progressive views. You want people to act as best as possible. You want to point out bad behavior in order to discourage its use. You want to hold people in positions of power accountable for their actions and words, even if it has negative consequences for yourself. This is in the noble tradition of civil rights protest - speaking truth to power, as it's also called.

2. Using the n-word while white, and disrespecting the trans community are two things that are terrible actions in your view, yes? These are actions that call into question the character of those who are guilty of doing them. Because a person who does things like this should not be in a position of power over those marginalized groups.

3. Therefore, this being a textbook "speak truth to power moment" - why do you choose to do nothing?

 

[nush]

Want to play a fun game? Count the posters who are handwringing about TaySan being picked on but who only post in this thread. Like Dodunpanky said, it’s an effective honeypot. It’s basically Resetera-lite for those banned from Ree but who aren’t mentally ready to reintegrate back into society.

Hopefully they can be reeehabilitated and reeeintroduced as normal members of forum communities.

 

[Katsura]

Hopefully they can be reeehabilitated and reeeintroduced as normal members of forum communities.

Don't they prefer reeeeducation camps though?

 

[Nobody_Important]

Let me see if I can try to facilitate communication to get to the heart of what people are saying. To be clear, I'm basically rephrasing and reframing the content for clarity and not necessarily supporting or endorsing this course of action. You're a big boy; you can make your own decisions for yourself:

1. Philosophically, you hold people to a high standard according to your progressive views. You want people to act as best as possible. You want to point out bad behavior in order to discourage its use. You want to hold people in positions of power accountable for their actions and words, even if it has negative consequences for yourself. This is in the noble tradition of civil rights protest - speaking truth to power, as it's also called.

2. Using the n-word while white, and disrespecting the trans community are two things that are terrible actions in your view, yes? These are actions that call into question the character of those who are guilty of doing them. Because a person who does things like this should not be in a position of power over those marginalized groups.

3. Therefore, this being a textbook "speak truth to power moment" - why do you choose to do nothing?

Because he would likely be banned probably. What you all are asking them to do is like to daring someone to call out their boss at work and then calling them a coward or a hypocrite when they don't bevause they dont want to get fired.


You can hold progressive views and choose to hold people to a higher standard and also not allow those views to sabotage yourself or your life. You have to pick and choose your battles in order to facilitate change.

 

[Scopa]

Cultists: “Authorities”, “Boss”

Normal people: “Sad, lonely nerds on the internet”

 

[Rentahamster]

Because he would likely be banned probably. What you all are asking them to do is like to daring someone to call out their boss at work and then calling them a coward or a hypocrite when they don't bevause they dont want to get fired.


You can hold progressive views and choose to hold people to a higher standard and also not allow those views to sabotage yourself or your life. You have to pick and choose your battles in order to facilitate change.

Well that's convenient. It might be an adequate course of action for you.

Others may prioritize their core beliefs differently, though.

At some point though, one needs to come to terms with whether or not one believes something out of conviction or convenience.

 

[Calcium]

With the seemingly endless supply of deranged nutjobs they have to slap a moderator tag onto it's pretty amusing that excelsiorlef is consistently passed over. I'm really hoping that day comes, though. I firmly believe that excel is in the top 5% of posters hammering that report button on every other post. Imagine that with the power to ban... amazing.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Well that's convenient. It might be an adequate course of action for you.

Others may prioritize their core beliefs differently, though.

At some point though, one needs to come to terms with whether or not one believes something out of conviction or convenience.

What would suggest then? That everyone take moral stands whenever and wherever they need to regardless of the consequences to themselves?

 

[captainraincoat]

With the seemingly endless supply of deranged nutjobs they have to slap a moderator tag onto it's pretty amusing that excelsiorlef is consistently passed over. I'm really hoping that day comes, though. I firmly believe that excel is in the top 5% of posters hammering that report button on every other post. Imagine that with the power to ban... amazing.

He/she/Larry and their discord hitsquads mash that report button harder than a 14year old mashes his potatoes when they first discover internet porn

 

[nush]

He/she/Larry and their discord hitsquads mash that report button harder than a 14year old mashes his potatoes when they first discover internet porn

The report button is Reseteras game of the year 2019.

 

[Jezbollah]

Another day and another Bernie thread locked.

It's not so much to be on the left side of the spectrum anymore, it's now you have to be specifically adherent to an exact view of policies and issues.

But... right side of history and fighting fascism, am I right?

It has now been four hours since that thread was locked to "review the reports"

It doesn't take four hours to review reports from four pages of a thread.

I doubt that thread will see more posts. It'll be inconvienent.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

It has now been four hours since that thread was locked to "review the reports"

It doesn't take four hours to review reports from four pages of a thread.

I doubt that thread will see more posts. It'll be inconvienent.

Don't rush art.

 

[Dr. Claus]

What would suggest then? That everyone take moral stands whenever and wherever they need to regardless of the consequences to themselves?

If it were truly an issue they believed in then I would think they would. If they don't, then they clearly don't care all that much.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Vice: Reporters and Activists Are Being Harassed for Saying Kobe Bryant Was Credibly Accused of Rape (Read Staff Posts)

Source: https://www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/v74bgd/reporters-and-activists-are-being-harassed-for-saying-kobe-bryant-was-credibly-accused-of-rape?__twitter_impression=true

www.resetera.com

TWO STAFF POSTS! Their little community needs the jailers to pop in TWICE in one thread to tell them how to think and behave. Gotta love it.

BONUS!

You get a 1 month ban @ Reeeeeeeera for saying this post:

It's amazing to see era once again scare members of the wider gaming community away, while I'm not going to excuse his choice of translation (and do think that he should've attempted to find a much more appropriate word) Retrotranslator has done a lot of great work for the community of a lot of classic game franchises I and many others follow.

If I am not mistaken browsing this thread it seems like he was more than open to the idea of redacting his choice of word to something far more appropriate and instead of giving him a chance to correct the situation you have turned him away from the wider community. If he was unwilling thats one thing but he wasn't. I am genuinely upset that he has been turned off from the idea of translating anymore games that haven't made it to the english speaking parts of the world, and feel that this could've easily been carried out in a much more constructive way.

[User banned (1 month): excusing transphobia, account in junior phase]

Really? REALLY? How is that "excusing" transphobia?!

 

[eot]

Does that prevent you editing posts?

I thought it did but honestly I never tried

 

[Dr. Claus]

Vice: Reporters and Activists Are Being Harassed for Saying Kobe Bryant Was Credibly Accused of Rape (Read Staff Posts)

Source: https://www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/v74bgd/reporters-and-activists-are-being-harassed-for-saying-kobe-bryant-was-credibly-accused-of-rape?__twitter_impression=true

www.resetera.com

TWO STAFF POSTS! Their little community needs the jailers to pop in TWICE in one thread to tell them how to think and behave. Gotta love it.

BONUS!

You get a 1 month ban @ Reeeeeeeera for saying this post:



[User banned (1 month): excusing transphobia, account in junior phase]

Really? REALLY? How is that "excusing" transphobia?!

I still don't how any of that legal battle proved that Kobe was a rapist. If anything, it proved the opposite.

 

[Papa]

What would suggest then? That everyone take moral stands whenever and wherever they need to regardless of the consequences to themselves?

I agree with you that it would be a foolish move on TS’s part to stand up to moderation there if he values his Ree account. But isn’t the point about the hypocrisy of it all? That he wants to constantly moralise and tell others to be better but he won’t/can’t even fix his own backyard first?

 

[Nobody_Important]

If it were truly an issue they believed in then I would think they would. If they don't, then they clearly don't care all that much.

just seems absurd to me to expect people to sabotage themselves and then when they don't to question their beliefs as a result.

For example I strongly support stricter gun control laws. But if I found out my boss was a gun nut I am not just gonna throw caution to the wind and start lecturing him about why guns are terrible and why gun control is necessary. Not because i don't strongly believe in gun control, but because I don't want to get fired for taking a pointless moral stand.


And to be clear by pointless I mean that nothing would come of it. Me lecturing my boss wouldn't suddenly make gun control happen. It would be a pointless hill to die on. Which is why i said earlier that picking your battles is important when it comes to facilitating real change.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

just seems absurd to me to expect people to sabotage themselves and then when they don't to question their beliefs as a result.

For example I strongly support stricter gun control laws. But if I found out my boss was a gun nut I am not just gonna throw caution to the wind and start lecturing him about why guns are terrible and why gun control is necessary. Not because i don't strongly believe in gun control, but because I don't want to get fired for taking a pointless moral stand.


And to be clear by pointless I mean that nothing would come of it. Me lecturing my boss wouldn't suddenly make gun control happen. It would be a pointless hill to die on. Which is why i said earlier that picking your battles is important when it comes to facilitating real change.

I don't think that analogy is apt.

It'd be more like a co-worker "Sally" brings a gun into work, and your boss fires her for it. Later that day, you see that your boss has brought his own gun to work for years, with zero repercussions (They're not the business owner, just a recently promoted manager).

Do you point out to your boss, and all the other co-workers, that Sally got fired for doing something the boss did/does all the time? Isn't that hypocritical of the boss?

Now, the rub comes because you're anti-gun in the first place. So you're not really upset that Sally got fired, because fuck her and her gun. You don't like the boss bringing HIS gun either, but you do want to keep your job, and I guess that's more important to you than being anti-gun OR standing up against hypocrisy. It's easy to count Sally getting axed as a half-win, you get to sit back and enjoy the half-win, with none of the danger of speaking up yourself. Oh, you'll continue to let everyone know you're anti-gun, but you won't direct that sentiment towards the Boss, or, frankly, even acknowledge he HAS a gun.

 

[dionysus]

just seems absurd to me to expect people to sabotage themselves and then when they don't to question their beliefs as a result.

For example I strongly support stricter gun control laws. But if I found out my boss was a gun nut I am not just gonna throw caution to the wind and start lecturing him about why guns are terrible and why gun control is necessary. Not because i don't strongly believe in gun control, but because I don't want to get fired for taking a pointless moral stand.


And to be clear by pointless I mean that nothing would come of it. Me lecturing my boss wouldn't suddenly make gun control happen. It would be a pointless hill to die on. Which is why i said earlier that picking your battles is important when it comes to facilitating real change.

That's reasonable. Most of us on Neogaf are against unreasonable purity tests.

I can't speak to what TaySan has done on era, but many posters on Era do advocate for purity testing everyone. See how many including the mods treat anyone who associates with Joe Rogan for example. Yet Era hasn't banned CNN even though they uncritically gave Richard Spencer a platform. That is hypocrisy.

The proper response to someone pointing out hypocrisy is to correct the hypocrisy. Instead of witch hunting B-Dubs to avoid hypocrisy, I would recommend instead denying cancel culture altogether.

 

[Handel]

Holy crap. Krejlooc was one of the most knowledgeable people about old hardware there. There basically was never an uninteresting Krejlooc thread.

RE lost a significant (in a good way) member if he requested a self-ban.

IIRC who that is, they have a really dumb Sonic avatar and are an insufferable political extremist. Had them on my ignore list for ages. Good riddance.

 

[DudeCoolz]

Spoiler

 

[Handel]

The REE mods struggles with using basic terminology in their ban messages is fucking astounding as always. Just in the first few posts of the journalists getting harassed about their Kobe comments thread, several people offering rational viewpoints on how to respectfully act in the situation have gotten week bans for "threadwhining in a serious thread". How the fuck are those posts "threadwhining"? Threadwhining is objecting to a thread being made at all or continually complaining that a thread continues/isn't going your way. Offering a take that is on-topic to the thread like they did isn't threadwhining just because you hate logic.

 

[TrainedRage]

TIME AND PLACE!!!!!!!!!11!!!!

 

[Captain Zyrain]

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Man, Excelsiorlarry is going OFF THE CHAIN.

He doesn't want to mess with Sabrina though.. just saying...

 

[Maiden Voyage]

 

[Captain Zyrain]

WE GOT A LIVE ONE!!

Negative ad target Sanders in Iowa "more radical than Obama on healthcare" "gives gov health insurance to everyone" "GND even bigger than New Deal"

Some people think this ad is meant to help Sanders. Do you think this ad is meant to be negative? Edit: Added poll and the Claire McCaskill tweet a few minutes after creating the thread so the first replies did not see the Claire McCaskill tweet.

www.resetera.com

(for now)

How long before it's locked to "review reports and consider next steps"?

 

[Handel]

Anyone whose immediate thoughts turn to trying to tear someone down after their deaths over a single accusation, especially when one has been as massive a positive force in this world as Kobe has, is a giant piece of shit. They want people to condemn him for one thing bad he's accused of doing, instead of celebrating the vast amount of good he's proven to have done.

It's comical how those reporters and most of REE mirror Inspector Javert, they'll condemn a man of a crime he's not proven to commit(ACCUSATIONS ARE EVIDENCE!!!), of petty "thought crimes"(microaggressions), all the while ignoring the vast accomplishments and good that person has ever done. Their judgment scale is ridiculously weighted towards the bad.

Valjean is Kobe, Javert is REE and those reporters :



If only they could realize their faults, and unlike Javert change for the better, but sadly most of them would rather choose his fate then give up their "holy crusade". I pity them sometimes.

 

[captainraincoat]

Holy fuck did excel/Larry forget the meds
Surely that's a ban

 

[Handel]

Also in no way are any of those people calling Kobe a rapist following his death brave. They are cowards hiding behind the internet/print, who expected that they could get away with this with the backing of the zealots and accusations of misogyny against those who opposed them. They chose the wrong target this time, Kobe's good vastly outweighs one accusation of bad, and some of them are getting their just desserts by getting fired. Good riddance.

 

[Handel]

Holy fuck did excel/Larry forget the meds
Surely that's a ban

You must be new to this.

 

[Handel]

excel is top of the totem pole of protected users. They'd have to go nuclear to catch a ban.

 

[captainraincoat]

You must be new to this.

Excel has been banned a few times already for crazy ranting shit but this is probably a new level of disrespectful commentary

Pretty sure there would be large amount of the black community on that board that would cheer if they ate a perma

 

[#Phonepunk#]

excel is top of the totem pole of protected users. They'd have to go nuclear to catch a ban.

exactly. they know how the game is played. see them saying "Your not in the RIP thread"? as long as you abide by the OP and stay on topic, they can get you. they play this game all the time by framing threads in certain ways. it is a way to goalpost discussion and use it to deplatform people.

Excel is actually a top tier troll and bully

 

[Captain Zyrain]

If they were smart, they'd spin off politics to its own sub-section like EviLore did here. It helps an immense amount.

Now every other thread is some jackhole posting an article promoting or bashing the candidate they like/hate, lather rinse repeat. Thankfully, I guess, they all still maintain the fortitude to jump into ALL these threads and provide us with entertainment. Imagine how boring it'd be if ExceLarry just said "I'll sit this thread out". Yikes.

 

[DudeCoolz]