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Fortuneelsewhere
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With the earnings call out of the way I think a reveal communication is imminent... I’m willing to bet will have it until the end of the week.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's clickbait.
Sony Reportedly Waiting on Xbox Series X Price Before Setting the PS5 Price (Updated OP)
https://uk.ign.com/articles/ps5-price-will-likely-be-determined-by-xbox-series-x-price?sf116983155=1 He then said that one factor Sony can't control is the "price level" of the next-gen console space. Totoki implies that Sony is waiting to see what the price of the Xbox Series X will be before...
hemo memo
Gold Member
Investor9872
Member
You may be fine with it, but at $1000 it would be suicidal for Sony and the PS5. Remember the $600 PS3?
Gamernyc78
Banned
As it seems that every time I speak the bread goes up, I need to say this because otherwise they will cut my balls. We will clarify my old comment on "13.8" for those who need clarification.
If I knew that number could be defining the power of PS5 I would not have said it publicly.
By the way, does anyone know what is the equivalence in RDNA of a useful effective power of 13.8 Tf GCN? 11.1 say someone? Sure? Or 11.5? (it's only a question)
(Please, that my "13.8" not become news)
I leave it in Spanish in Spoiler in case any translation is inaccurate.
Como parece que cada vez que hablo sube el pan, necesito decir esto porque sino me van a cortar las cojones. Vamos a aclarar mi antiguo comentario sobre los "13.8" para quién necesite aclaración.
Si supiera que ese número pudiese ser definitorio de la potencia de PS5 no lo habría dicho públicamente.
Por cierto, ¿alguien sabe cual es la equivalencia en RDNA de una potencia efectiva útil de 13.8 Tf GCN?
(Por favor, que mis "13.8" no se conviertan en noticia)
Hay por favor no le haga caso a estos babosos tontos Lol y tu no sea dramático tampoco
BGs
Industry Professional
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Wow, that's the most stupid thing I have read this year. A flop is a flop. Exactly one floating point operation per second. That's what it means, you know. Just because operations can be more efficient doesn't make x of one architecture behave like x+4 on another. If you were to theoretically use 12 billion floating point operations on a 12 TF GCN architecture - there is no way to make them work on anything less than a 12 TF RDNA architecture. Because a TF is a TF.
The price debate is probably not why sony is waiting for a reveal. They could just reveal the design, specs and the controller first. Then announce the price at another event or state of play. Tommorow is also the 25th anniversary of playstation. They might announce something tommorow.
Investor9872
Member
I agree with this, and I've stated it before. When SIE's new CEO Jim Ryan said that Sony's priority for this gen is to have the large PS4 base to transition to the PS5 "at a scale and pace that we haven't seen." You need two things for that to happen; Launch with exclusives that gamers want to buy day-1, and launch at an affordable price ($400 -$449) on a "powerful" system and eat the $200 -$300 BOM. I just don't see Sony eating that kind of BOM given all the statements they have made so far.
As for the Sony announcing the PS5's specs. I don't think that is going to happen. They only way that I see us finding out the PS5's specs is after launch where others will do a tech comparison with the XSX or a PS5 breakdown.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Anybody that isn't five knows that any leak that includes a price tag is just a bunch of wishful thinking. Price gets set when you have produced your first retail units in a test run, when you actually know what it will cost you and how much of a loss you are willing to take. Normally you shouldn't need Sony to say that to remember that.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Gave the Japanese article (translated of course) a light read-through, and saw where the 13.8 claim is coming from:
Bolded part is pertinent, because we already know Radeon VII is a GCN architecture card. So what is the article referring to architecture-wise with this statement? If they weren't specifying an architectural translation, why not just say "around 13.8 TFLOPS, similar to Radeon VII"? Which at least would specify moreso if they were speaking in terms of a raw numerical comparison or in giving a reference to the GPU performance comparative to a different architecture's GPU.
The wording implies the latter, so it'd seem like the article is suggesting an upper limit of 10.75TF Navi, which would perform comparable to a 13.8TF Radeon VII. Which is an interesting way to look at it, because that would also implicitly go along with the Github and GPU benchmarks testing Oberon, and the ResetEra graphic showing more CUs enabled (around 48 total IIRC), AND the similar scheme in regression testing between PS5 and PS4 Pro where a chunk of CUs were disabled since they weren't needed for the tests (such as the RT block(s)).
A fair way to look at it IMHO; similarly people have been speculating whether or not MS's "2x power of X" claim actually specified a flush 2x increase (Moore's Law method) or whether they were specifying architecture (which would mean actual performance around 9TF Navi - 10.xTF Navi). When looking at pricing for similar 9TF-10TF Navi cards on the market (even taking out the markup and other components like memory, and even factoring in bulk quantity orders of millions), I can see how some are still considering these systems could be closer to, say, somewhat above a 5700XT in raw performance (but with RT and some other Big Navi features integrated into them) to hit respectable MSRP prices ($399, $499 maximum).
OTOH, we've also had a chance to see the XSX APU and measurements done by those skilled on these kind of things drawing up little over 400mm2. Which would easily leave room for 9-10TF worth of Navi CUs and in actuality, likely at least up to 12TF of such (most seem to agree an APU that size would be able to fit at least 60 CUs (4 disabled) at 7nm).
So basically, the article isn't telling us anything new xD. We're still looking at a range of:
(Most Probable, Based On Mix Of Benchmark Test Datamining, Database Leaks, and Insider Claims)
>XSX: 10TF Navi - 12.xTF Navi
>PS5: 9TF Navi - 10.8 TF Navi
(Mildly Probable, Based On Mix Of Benchmark Test Datamining, Database Leaks, and Insider Claims)
>XSX: 9TF Navi - 10TF Navi
>PS5: 8.2TF Navi - 12TF Navi
(Least Probable, Based On Mix Of Benchmark Test Datamining, Database Leaks, and Insider Claims)
>XSX: 9TF Navi
>PS5: 12.xTF Navi - 13.8TF Navi
The reality doesn't have to play out with the results paired the way they are, either. For example PS5's Most Probable and XSX's Mildly Probable could both end up playing out as true. But just based on everything I've been hearing, looking into, and reading up on, this seems to be a good way of breaking down the ranges.
Bolded part is pertinent, because we already know Radeon VII is a GCN architecture card. So what is the article referring to architecture-wise with this statement? If they weren't specifying an architectural translation, why not just say "around 13.8 TFLOPS, similar to Radeon VII"? Which at least would specify moreso if they were speaking in terms of a raw numerical comparison or in giving a reference to the GPU performance comparative to a different architecture's GPU.
The wording implies the latter, so it'd seem like the article is suggesting an upper limit of 10.75TF Navi, which would perform comparable to a 13.8TF Radeon VII. Which is an interesting way to look at it, because that would also implicitly go along with the Github and GPU benchmarks testing Oberon, and the ResetEra graphic showing more CUs enabled (around 48 total IIRC), AND the similar scheme in regression testing between PS5 and PS4 Pro where a chunk of CUs were disabled since they weren't needed for the tests (such as the RT block(s)).
A fair way to look at it IMHO; similarly people have been speculating whether or not MS's "2x power of X" claim actually specified a flush 2x increase (Moore's Law method) or whether they were specifying architecture (which would mean actual performance around 9TF Navi - 10.xTF Navi). When looking at pricing for similar 9TF-10TF Navi cards on the market (even taking out the markup and other components like memory, and even factoring in bulk quantity orders of millions), I can see how some are still considering these systems could be closer to, say, somewhat above a 5700XT in raw performance (but with RT and some other Big Navi features integrated into them) to hit respectable MSRP prices ($399, $499 maximum).
OTOH, we've also had a chance to see the XSX APU and measurements done by those skilled on these kind of things drawing up little over 400mm2. Which would easily leave room for 9-10TF worth of Navi CUs and in actuality, likely at least up to 12TF of such (most seem to agree an APU that size would be able to fit at least 60 CUs (4 disabled) at 7nm).
So basically, the article isn't telling us anything new xD. We're still looking at a range of:
(Most Probable, Based On Mix Of Benchmark Test Datamining, Database Leaks, and Insider Claims)
>XSX: 10TF Navi - 12.xTF Navi
>PS5: 9TF Navi - 10.8 TF Navi
(Mildly Probable, Based On Mix Of Benchmark Test Datamining, Database Leaks, and Insider Claims)
>XSX: 9TF Navi - 10TF Navi
>PS5: 8.2TF Navi - 12TF Navi
(Least Probable, Based On Mix Of Benchmark Test Datamining, Database Leaks, and Insider Claims)
>XSX: 9TF Navi
>PS5: 12.xTF Navi - 13.8TF Navi
The reality doesn't have to play out with the results paired the way they are, either. For example PS5's Most Probable and XSX's Mildly Probable could both end up playing out as true. But just based on everything I've been hearing, looking into, and reading up on, this seems to be a good way of breaking down the ranges.
Mendou
Banned
They will likely do something tomorrow but it probably won't be anything PS5 related. You might get a twitter image and a compilation video reflecting on the PS4 generation. That's it.
I hope I'm wrong though. It'll be a shame if they waste their 25th anniversary in such a manner.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Yes I remember that 14 years ago. It’s a different market now with people willing to pay premium for premium products. Apple does it all the time.
Agnostic2020
Member
PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation
Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition - the best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and introducing the DualSense wireless controller.
www.playstation.com
We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation. Sign up below to be among the first to receive updates as we announce them, including news on the PS5 release date, PS5 price and the upcoming roster of PS5 launch games.
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Gamernyc78
Banned
You forget the other statements also made last year about PS5 being niche, premium and for the hardcore lol They are trying for a middle ground. I believe they'll eat up to a 100 loss but nowhere near ps3 180 loss per console. Thy learned their lesson, however thy didn't have subscription money to fall back on then either.
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PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation
Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition - the best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and introducing the DualSense wireless controller.
www.playstation.com
We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation. Sign up below to be among the first to receive updates as we announce them, including news on the PS5 release date, PS5 price and the upcoming roster of PS5 launch games.
Neo Blaster
Member
Sony already have a 'Gamepass', it's called Now. And yes, I think it will play a major part on their next gen strategy, but don't just expect their games to release in the service day and date.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Investor9872
Member
Sure. But I don't think that "Apple does it all the time" argument is going to work with the PS5. Grandmas and Grandpas are not going to shell out $1000 + games and accessories for little Jims' PS5 for Christmas. Apple may sell a lot of $1000 iPhones. But that demographic is different from the PS5's. All $1000 iphone owners may be willing to purchase a $1000 PS5, but 99% of the potential PS5 owners wouldn't want to have to pay $1000 for a PS5 nor do they want a $1000 iPhone IMO.
Fake
Member
“PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation
Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition - the best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and introducing the DualSense wireless controller.
We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation. Sign up below to be among the first to receive updates as we announce them, including news on the PS5 release date, PS5 price and the upcoming roster of PS5 launch games.
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fuckkkk
Finally.
Neo Blaster
Member
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
“PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation
Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition - the best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and introducing the DualSense wireless controller.
We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation. Sign up below to be among the first to receive updates as we announce them, including news on the PS5 release date, PS5 price and the upcoming roster of PS5 launch games.
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fuckkkk
DaGwaphics
Member
People need to never forget that console manufacturers pay for wafers + licensing fees to AMD. The cost of consumer GPUs (where all cards are currently sold at significatnly higher profit margins than in the past) has nothing to do with the cost of the APU in the consoles. I expect both consoles are somewhere between big navi and small navi (medium navi LOL). The price of a 5700xt is irrelevant, a lot of profit there for both AMD and the board manufacturer.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Lol. No reveal then. fuck.
Investor9872
Member
No I remember that statement. That statement was made before Phil Spencer started releasing statements insinuating that the next Xbox will be 12 tfps, showing off the size of the chip, etc. Afterwards, Sony moved away from the "Premium and hardcore" narrative. In fact, Sony never mentioned it again. They moved on to the "our number 1 priority for next-gen is to have an adoption rate at a scale and pace that we have never seen before...." narrative.
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saintjules
Member
Which now begs the question; Which 'Insider' do we scream "FAKE" to? j/k, but a lot of Feb. rumors will now be thrown in the trash more likely.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
No idea whats taking so long. I suspect games are getting more and more complex with SSDs and CPUs completely changing the way games are designed, and devs are struggling to get game demos ready. you would think devs who have been working on next gen games since 2017-2018 should have something to show by now but apparently not. i wouldnt be surprised if we launch with zero next gen only games. everything is going to get delayed.
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XcloudTimdog
Banned
Wow i was told feb by klee by so many. I guess i will wait some more time to hit yall up . 12 rdna it is, will Xbox be bold? Looks like a cat and mouse game going on. Cant wait to equal up. Love you all
Kusarigama
Member
Just seeing the logo up on the official PlayStation website makes me so happy!PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation
Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition - the best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and introducing the DualSense wireless controller.
We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation. Sign up below to be among the first to receive updates as we announce them, including news on the PS5 release date, PS5 price and the upcoming roster of PS5 launch games.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
While that UI is nice, it’s quite clearly fake. I do like that boot up animation though, very sexy. Classy, but sexy.
Can’t help but notice nobody is faking Xbox controllers or UIs, which is a bit worrying
Can’t help but notice nobody is faking Xbox controllers or UIs, which is a bit worrying
Tenka Musou
Banned
“PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation
Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition - the best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and introducing the DualSense wireless controller.
but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation.
at least we now know it's not gonna be anytime soon, so thanks sony? i guess?
vpance
Member
“PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation
Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition - the best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and introducing the DualSense wireless controller.
We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation. Sign up below to be among the first to receive updates as we announce them, including news on the PS5 release date, PS5 price and the upcoming roster of PS5 launch games.
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fuckkkk
Sony so lost they stole my idea from yesterday. SMH
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
FrozenFlame
Member
What's the point of putting the website so soon if they're (apparently) not going to reveal anything?
Neo Blaster
Member
Do everyone need a remind Phil never talked about teraflops? There's an obvious reason he said 'twice One X's, it's because TFs no longer apply to market the system like these companies used to do this gen.
CyberPanda
Banned
Sinthor
Gold Member
In all seriousness, given the state of the technology right now and trying to figure on prices, even though MS and Sony would get way better pricing...I will be shocked if either box is much over 10TF. Even that would be huge, especially given the RDNA technology. So my expectations are realistically in the 9-10 range. I expect to see 4k gaming with SOME games at 60fps but others at 30 with all the bells and whistles turned on graphically. That will be fine and larger improvements in functionality and UI..games loading super fast, etc. will make that feel like a BIG leap. At least to me.
IF any of these boxes are more powerful than the 9-10 range and are also not $700-800 boxes or more, I will be SHOCKED. Pleasantly shocked, but still shocked. Time will tell and we all will know..............'soon!'
saintjules
Member
Thank you, my Long Island Brethren
Neo Blaster
Member
Have you seen their Twitter? People are bugging so much they had to come out from silence.
In other words: guys, it worked!! Let's double the bugging so they have to make the reveal!!
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
100% true. Even so, assuming a lobbing off of $100 for RAM and $100 for the board (very broadly speaking; RAM could be slightly more and the board would be less), on a $350 card that's still $150 left.
In all we can speculate MS and Sony are paying at least somewhere in the range of $75-$90 for the GPU. However it could be slightly higher than that. IIRC some breakdowns for PS4 and XBO (or was it the Pro and X?) showed around $65 or slightly above for their GPUs.
Gamernyc78
Banned
I think your reading too much into things. It wasnt Ryan who made tht statement but someone else in Sony and multiple messages were being made. I don't think thy moved away from it, they said it and tht was all tht needed to be said from tht Sony head.
The adoption rate comes from the bc push thy are making which even includes psvr.
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Sinthor
Gold Member
“PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation
Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition - the best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and introducing the DualSense wireless controller.
We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation. Sign up below to be among the first to receive updates as we announce them, including news on the PS5 release date, PS5 price and the upcoming roster of PS5 launch games.
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fuckkkk
Anyone else NOT seeing a sign up place at the bottom of the page like it says? I don't see anything there...
chemical boy
Member
This does not sound like February, it sounds more like April or May.
saintjules
Member
Bladed Thesis
Member
Anything above $600 is product suicide.
There's room for a small group of early adopters at that price and nothing else. Not to mention consumer alienation if your launch at $600+ and then drop the price within a 12 month timeframe. Product suicide.
FrozenFlame
Member
After last month logo reveal and this month website going up without information, can't wait for next month reveal. I'm no insider but i have a feeling they'll show the power cable just to calm down the fans.
CyberPanda
Banned
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nowhat
Member
If enough people bug Sony on Twitter, they may just release the console early too! Get to it!
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