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[Rim]

LOL nice

But you might have too change "PC MASTER RACE" to "EPIC GAME STORE"

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Again, waisting your time. That proves nothing. My other posts provide greater context. Important word that one, CONTEXT. We were getting closer and closer to reveal and I was dead set on it being what I wanted it to be. And??? Sue me! And that post doesn't look like obvious speculation to you!? And you people say I'm the one with problems!

Time to start padding my ignore list, since you guys obviously can't do the same lol.

It's not a speculation in any way when you literally tried to convince people that X1X will have a ZEN CPU. Acting like people are dumb because you had a close conversation with Xbox people. You're awesome, man.

 

[LED Guy?]

hmmm....

you make a lot of strong points, and have convincing evidence....

but....

timdog said 8 TFlops based on downclocked GitHub leaks.

insider Colbert confirms 8TF....have you seen his chart that he’s revised a few hundred times?

8 GCN TFlops. That’s all we’re getting. $399 because inflation isn’t a thing and Sony always does 399, except for when they used to do 299

Yes I believe you, this is what he told me, I believe in Colbert more than these unnamed sources like Jason Schreier or Mark Cerny lying to us about Hardware RT YOOO!!

 

[BatSu]

LOL nice

But you might have too change "PC MASTER RACE" to "EPIC GAME STORE"

 

[TLZ]

Shu and Boyes Sharing the Soon

Is this new?

IS IT HAPPENING?!

 

[darkinstinct]

The most suprising part is knowing that Ted Price is still working with all that money in the bank.

You don't get deals like that withput binding yourself for the next up to 5 years to the company and/or signing a non compete.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

Is this new?

IS IT HAPPENING?!

Yeah both just tweeted/retweeted this a short time ago

 

[darkinstinct]

Why would they launch a site that says it's coming this holiday after all that stuff is out?

Wasn't the website created on December 19th?

hmmm....

you make a lot of strong points, and have convincing evidence....

but....

timdog said 8 TFlops based on downclocked GitHub leaks.

insider Colbert confirms 8TF....have you seen his chart that he’s revised a few hundred times?

8 GCN TFlops. That’s all we’re getting. $399 because inflation isn’t a thing and Sony always does 399, except for when they used to do 299

Inflation is not a thing for electronics. 399 gets you whatever 399 is worth on average in the first three years in any generation. Inflation just leads to lower increases in performance if at all - because electronics come down faster in price than their parts would go up because of inflation. The value loss of electronics is closer to 20 % a year, while inflation is 1 to 2 % a year. Inflation will not have any impact on consoles.

 

[bitbydeath]

Is this new?

IS IT HAPPENING?!

It is new.



Probably just them messing around tho and not PS5 related.

 

[darkinstinct]

One thing id like is being able to co-op from console and xcloud on one account

That's never going to happen for obvious reasons. You can ever only be logged in once. There's "Play as guest". Just use that on the console while you are playing on xCloud. That works today.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

I love how some people act like its almost a crime for someone to suggest XSX might be more powerful than PS5.

Oh, you missed the consensus before Reiner's tweet. It was a blasphemy to even think that PS5 will be more powerful because MS has more money than Sony and 2 SKU's strategy. More mooooooney, dude. Now, bunch of people because github leak with OLD info thinks the same. Even that PS5 won't have a hardware accelerated RT

 

[TLZ]

It is new.



Probably just them messing around tho and not PS5 related.

But the timing......

 

[Aceofspades]

Yes I believe you, this is what he told me, I believe in Colbert more than these unnamed sources like Jason Schreier or Mark Cerny lying to us about Hardware RT YOOO!!

Said a guy who changed his prediction one hundred times who happened to claim to be someone important. Colbert is the biggest attention seeker on Era, lowlife.

 

[Koopatrol]

Shu and Boyes Sharing the Soon

Legendary icons recreating a legendary moment.

 

[Rim]

Yes I believe you, this is what he told me, I believe in Colbert more than these unnamed sources like Jason Schreier or Mark Cerny lying to us about Hardware RT YOOO!!

Isn't this guy 50?

 

[darkinstinct]

But XSX can be 12TF and that's perfectly fine? Okay...

Well, with two SKUs Microsoft doesn't have to care about price at all for their high end SKU. They could make it 599 easy if they also have a 299 SKU. Sony doesn't do two SKUs as far as we know, so they are way more limited in what kind of performance (and yields) they are willing to accept. It's not hard to beat PS5 in performance. It's hard to beat it in performance at the same price, that's not going to happen. But the statement is: "We will not be out of position regarding price or performance". Doesn't say that the same SKU is matching/beating PS5 in both, one is beating PS5 in price, one in performance.

 

[PropellerEar]

the wait for hdmi 2.1 gear is frustrating...still cant get a receiver.

With e-arc do you need a hdmi2.1 receiver?

 

[Aceofspades]

Isn't this guy 50?

You can be 50 with a child mindset, pretty normal there on Era

 

[Rim]

You can be 50 with a child mindset, normal there on Era

I'm not knocking someone for his age. But he seems a bit too old for console wars lol

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

People would be eating crow when the official specs are indeed RTX 2080 equivalent in terms of GPU!

 

[Panajev2001a]

Wit
With e-arc do you need a hdmi2.1 receiver?

I thought eARC shipped only with HDMI 2.1 gear... puzzled...

 

[Felessan]

Inflation is not a thing for electronics. 399 gets you whatever 399 is worth on average in the first three years in any generation. Inflation just leads to lower increases in performance if at all - because electronics come down faster in price than their parts would go up because of inflation. The value loss of electronics is closer to 20 % a year, while inflation is 1 to 2 % a year. Inflation will not have any impact on consoles.

Inflation of baseline is much higher in electronics than in usual products, where most the process are pretty much set in stone in terms of costs and efficiency. R&D and production cost in electronics ramps-up greatly with each iteration.
Basically the die size that you can get for given total cost (r&d and wafer cost) is shrinking much faster than base inflation imply, due to technology matures and next process nodes are more and more expensive. As a result for "300 usd" you could get near the top chip 20 years ago, strong mid-range 10 years ago, and something close to entry-level now.
Yes, this entry level will be much more powerfull than top chip from 20 years ago, but relatively to current scale it's still entry level, and it's longevelity is very short.

 

[farmerboy]

Shu and Boyes Sharing the Soon

Those sweet sweet motherfuckers.

Who new those two would tear MS a new one with a 22 sec video

 

[CuriousToe]

Yes I believe you, this is what he told me, I believe in Colbert more than these unnamed sources like Jason Schreier or Mark Cerny lying to us about Hardware RT YOOO!!

I haven't seen this before. This is pretty embarrassing.

 

[Kobi]

Well, with two SKUs Microsoft doesn't have to care about price at all for their high end SKU. They could make it 599 easy if they also have a 299 SKU. Sony doesn't do two SKUs as far as we know, so they are way more limited in what kind of performance (and yields) they are willing to accept. It's not hard to beat PS5 in performance. It's hard to beat it in performance at the same price, that's not going to happen. But the statement is: "We will not be out of position regarding price or performance". Doesn't say that the same SKU is matching/beating PS5 in both, one is beating PS5 in price, one in performance.

That's the only thing I can't get my head around. If the ps5 is more powerful, then realistically their should be no lockheart. I can't see that being a very good business decision, having the low and middle spots being overshadowed by PS. It made way more sense having ps5 sandwiched in the middle.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

That's the only thing I can't get my head around. If the ps5 is more powerful, then realistically their should be no lockheart. I can't see that being a very good business decision, having the low and middle spots being overshadowed by PS. It made way more sense having ps5 sandwiched in the middle.

Maybe that's why Microsoft is waiting with releasing anything on Lockheart. They first need to know more about PS5 to see if it makes sense for them to even share the existence of it.

 

[Kobi]

Maybe that's why Microsoft is waiting with releasing anything on Lockheart. They first need to know more about PS5 to see if it makes sense for them to even share the existence of it.

Yeah that's a good point. Doubt we'll hear anything concrete on that till e3. MS have been very secretive with these dev kits.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Sadly all the evidence points towards lockheart being real.

I just wish it was a simple little £80 box with a controller that had a hdmi output and streams 1080p quality SX games to your tv, like a stadia only not wank.

That would be fantastic, and allow entry level people to play their content.

don’t like streaming? Don’t buy it, simple.

 

[DrDamn]

That's the only thing I can't get my head around. If the ps5 is more powerful, then realistically their should be no lockheart. I can't see that being a very good business decision, having the low and middle spots being overshadowed by PS. It made way more sense having ps5 sandwiched in the middle.

I think that if Lockhart works as a SKU then it works as a low price alternative to either XSX or PS5, I don't think small performance differences at the top end matter. Assuming XSX and PS5 will be comparable in both price and performance then Lockhart just needs to be a notably cheaper option.

 

[darkinstinct]

That's the only thing I can't get my head around. If the ps5 is more powerful, then realistically their should be no lockheart. I can't see that being a very good business decision, having the low and middle spots being overshadowed by PS. It made way more sense having ps5 sandwiched in the middle.

Like Matt said (who we trust is right with PS5 being 10 % more powerful): Lockhart was a thing, until it wasn't, and then it wasn't, and now it is a thing again. So maybe something changed. Maybe they thought PS5 had them beat, so they walked back from Lockhart, then realized they are ahead of Sony and Lockhart came back.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Like Matt said (who we trust is right with PS5 being 10 % more powerful): Lockhart was a thing, until it wasn't, and then it wasn't, and now it is a thing again. So maybe something changed. Maybe they thought PS5 had them beat, so they walked back from Lockhart, then realized they are ahead of Sony and Lockhart came back.

Yea but even this scenario tells us they are close gpu wise .

 

[David Ricardo]

Like Matt said (who we trust is right with PS5 being 10 % more powerful): Lockhart was a thing, until it wasn't, and then it wasn't, and now it is a thing again. So maybe something changed. Maybe they thought PS5 had them beat, so they walked back from Lockhart, then realized they are ahead of Sony and Lockhart came back.

Matt never said PS5 was 10% more powerful. He said if he had to make an educated guess, he would guess Series X would end up being more powerful.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Here is what micheal pachter said about ps5:
” that ps5 target spec looks like it’s gonna be a 1000$ box . God bless them let’s see if the can pull it off for 400$ cause that’s the right price “

Minute 11:30


Now question is that has he really seen the target specs or just basing it on rumors .

he also said Sony is skipping e3, 4 days before Sony confirmed it .

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Here is what micheal pachter said about ps5:
” that ps5 target spec looks like it’s gonna be a 1000$ box . God bless them let’s see if the can pull it off for 400$ cause that’s the right price “

Minute 11:30


Now question is that has he really seen the target specs or just basing it on rumors .

he also said Sony is skipping e3, 4 days before Sony confirmed it .

Yeah but it's Pachter so... He's been very wrong on a lot of occasions.

 

[darkinstinct]

Pachter likes to exaggerate, because that gives him attention. When he says stuff like this he is just comparing PS5 to how much it costs to build a similarly specced PC. RTX 2080, SSD, damn, this thing is expensive. He knows exactly that retail prices have nothing to do with manufacturing cost. When Nvidia puts R&D cost of a new architecture onto the new GPU they will sell maybe 2 million times it's different from Sony using a known architecture and selling it to 150 million people.

 

[PaintTinJr]

That's the only thing I can't get my head around. If the ps5 is more powerful, then realistically their should be no lockheart. I can't see that being a very good business decision, having the low and middle spots being overshadowed by PS. It made way more sense having ps5 sandwiched in the middle.

If Sony have been able to engineer themselves out of that hole then Microsoft will probably have to delay by 6months for XsX yields, and cancel lockhart/XsS.
Although, given Microsoft’s statement about price and power, they would probably have to acknowledge the mistake and refresh their strategy. Delaying the real XsX by 18months to release as XsX2 , a price cut to the current One X (£150) and a rebadging of lockhart to XsX(without ssd), and sell for £250. Or they'd need to look at something like a free SSD upgrade programme for all One Xs to make the One X, XsX and XsX2 remain a series that could do forward compatibility.

 

[Moses85]

Here is what micheal pachter said about ps5:
” that ps5 target spec looks like it’s gonna be a 1000$ box . God bless them let’s see if the can pull it off for 400$ cause that’s the right price “

Minute 11:30


Now question is that has he really seen the target specs or just basing it on rumors .

he also said Sony is skipping e3, 4 days before Sony confirmed it .

Once more, he proofs.... man, this new video make me speechless..

I just don’t get it. Why the hell this guy hasn’t escaped in all these years? He is so outdated and doesn’t have any clue what’s going on.

This part is enough proof: If they launch at a equal price, they have both the chance to win“

NO, if they launch at a equal price, Sony will win without any doubt.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Yeah but it's Pachter so... He's been very wrong on a lot of occasions.

true but this is not a prediction if he has seen the spec sheet. just like he wasnt wrong when he knew sony would skip e3 this year before anyone else and said it and everyone laughed him off saying there is no way sony would skip e3 in the year they launch PS5. and what do we know 5 days later sony announces they are skipping e3

 

[Agnostic2020]

Once more, he proofs.... man, this new video make ne speechless..

I just don’t get it. Why the hell this guy hasn’t escaped in all these years? He is so outdated and doesn’t have any clue what’s going on.

This part is enough proof: If they launch at a equal price, they have both the chance to win“

NO, if they launch at a equal price, Sony will win without any doubt.


Once more, he proofs.... man, this new video make ne speechless..

I just don’t get it. Why the hell this guy hasn’t escaped in all these years? He is so outdated and doesn’t have any clue what’s going on.

This part is enough proof: If they launch at a equal price, they have both the chance to win“

NO, if they launch at a equal price, Sony will win without any doubt.

he means in us as he is a US analyst and he is correct .XSX has a chance in US big time . world wide its a different scenario

 

[OrionNebula]

Moving on from this insane discussion, i wanted to bring back the hype cycle. Not calling anyone here an astroturfer but last gen around this time, i was at the gamespot forums and there was this guy who continually turned up in next gen threads to first tout the xbox specs, then misdirect after the rumors of it being less powerful and then finally resorted to bringing down the whole vibe of the place because people were actually excited about the ps4 specs. around the same time, a mod here received a list of members who were supposedly astroturfers and they were purged. Pretty sure that guy was an astroturfer because he disappeared after the consoles came out and i was told by an older member that he had turned up during the ps360 launch period too.

Again, not calling anyone here an astroturfer, but the end result is the same. This thread feels eerily like those gamespot threads where any positive ps4 discussion got shutdown by concern trolling, dismissal of rumors (ms would never release an underpowered console!!) and just all around shitty behavior that sucked all the joy from these threads which should be about hype for whats possible next gen.

• EVERYONE in the industry has said that the PS5 is a beast. the very first rumors were ruthenticcookie breaking the news that sony wasnt attending e3, and that the ps5 is a monsters. $499 with a $100 loss monster.
• WCCFTECH in November of 2018 said the ps5 would be using a bigger gpu than the 40 cu navi 10. he was the only one who said navi wont be gcn but an all new arch.
• Digital foundry heard that the devs are 'quite happy' with the ps5 specs.
• Jason schrier said that both guys are aiming to beat Stadia's number.
• Colin and Andrew Reiner said that the ps5 is more powerful at E3. Colin said definitively more powerful.
• Klee said that the game he saw was made on a ps5 devkit and had destruction, ray tracing reflections, ray traced global illumination and ray traced shadows.
• Cerny said that the ps5 had an ssd that was faster than any ssd on the market. this confirms a 4+gbps ssd.
• klee then said both consoles are double digit tflops.
• then a few months later, clarified that the ps5 was slightly stronger. difference was launch x1 to x1s. 1.3 vs 1.4 tflops. 10-15%. 10% of 12 tflops is 1.2 tflops, 15% is 1.8 tflops. so 13.2 - 13.8 tflops.
• wccftech doubles down on both consoles using bigger navis.
• jason comes back to era to gloat about his stadia number prediction after tom warren confirmed that the xbox is 12 tflops.
• jason later says hes heard and believes that both console makers are going with something even more powerful than the 2080 because they want to future proof this time.

all this points to an insanely powerful console. we know what sony could do with a $399 console design with a BOM of $381. we know what cerny did with a $250 vita. imagine what they can do with a $499 console with a $599 bom.

- 13-14 tflops
- 5gbps ssd
- fucking hbm. they have revealed everything except for ram? sony has a history of picking expensive ram. i wouldnt put it past them. ms has already announced it, sony hasnt. at the very least, this is exciting. do not let anyone take this excitement away just because they dont have anything to look forward to.

Let's not forget, before Sony did the wired article, the detractors laughed at us suggesting that ssd and ray tracing could be in next gen console. it was sony who made it standard and yet instead of us gushing over the possibilities, the conversation was hijacked and became about how the xbox is more powerful, and how the ray tracing in the ps5 isnt for visuals.

do you guys see? dont let these guys bring you down or shift the conversation. i can promise you, this will not stop even after the specs are officially revealed. it will only get worse. they will get more abrasive, more personal, and start making shit up like gpus in the power brick and power of the fucking cloud. You cannot win with these people so do not let them control the conversation. we have already seen this with team realistic and team thermals being complete dicks to us for over a year then after the MS 12 tflops reveal, do a 180 without conceding they were dead wrong. they threw away all their theories about thermal draw after seeing that console, but only for MS. Sony is still 9 tflops. They will never admit they were wrong. so why bother?

be excited. this is supposed to be fun. speculate away with hbm and 13 tflops. everything these nerds said wouldnt come true has already come true. ssd, ray tracing, move away from gcn, 12 tflops, 8 core 16 thread cpus. why not hbm and 13-14 tflops? the other forum systematically discredited and silenced posters who dared to dream bigger even after ms proved us all right. thankfully mods here arent controlled by that mob. go crazy. have fun. this is going to be the best gen of all time.

lets bring back hbm and 12.9 tflops.

 

[HarryKS]

The whole PC Master Race thing falls a bit flat on its face when you see what pc gamers usually look like.

Also, there's uncomfortable undertones to it.

 

[bitbydeath]

Although, given Microsoft’s statement about price and power, they would probably have to acknowledge the mistake and refresh their strategy.

The quote gets misinterpreted a lot. All he was saying is that they won’t repeat the same mistakes of having a weaker yet more expensive console.

 

[BGs]

Sorry.

It will be difficult for Sony or Microsoft's plans not to be altered by the C-Virus.

Cross your fingers.

And this Friday it will be decide if the MWC is cancelled.

 

[OrionNebula]

Those sweet sweet motherfuckers.

Who new those two would tear MS a new one with a 22 sec video

To be fair, Xbox tore themselves a new one with that XBO reveal

 

[farmerboy]

Sorry.

It will be difficult for Sony or Microsoft's plans not to be altered by the C-Virus.

Cross your fingers.

And this Friday it will be decide if the MWC is cancelled.

Sorry, what is MWC?

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Sorry, what is MWC?

Mobile World Congress. Sony already cancelled their presentation there and will do it online

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Don't Ditch Your DualShock 4; It Will Be PlayStation 5 Compatible

Fresh speculation suggests the PlayStation 4's DualShock 4 will be compatible with Sony's upcoming next-generation PlayStation 5.

www.ccn.com

Has this been brought up again? I have multiple arcade sticks/ps4 controllers so this would be amazing on top of building on a already large library of games. Also I can finally let my ps4 pro die. My god is that thing loud.

 

[PaintTinJr]

The quote gets misinterpreted a lot. All he was saying is that they won’t repeat the same mistakes of having a weaker yet more expensive console.

Okay, I didn’t realise that. But even thinking about the quote in that context, what would be their strategy if XsS and XsX is expensive rdna2, and they shockingly don’t come first on performance?

As someone that worries about Sony going the way of Sega against such a financially sound rival, I thought it would be bad for Playstation if Sony don’t come first - nothing against MS or Xbox - but I’m now thinking it would be worse for Xbox, to make a good sales pitch. If they go cheap on rdna2 XsX they can’t meet demand while losing a fortune. Is there a good option for xbox if Sony have worked a small miracle with PS5 hardware?

 

[TGO]

I love how some people act like its almost a crime for someone to suggest XSX might be more powerful than PS5.

Funny, from what I've seen it's the other way around

 

[Bo_Hazem]

that chart has been touched more times than sasha grey.

did you see how sony paid only $220 million to buy insomaniac? i thought ms had more cash than sony since they make $10 billion in profits every quarter. wasnt this the reason why ms can afford 12 tflops and sony has to settle for 9?

and yet here we are living in a world where a fantastic studio like insomniac gets picked up for pennies on the dollar and ms cant even outbid sony. ive said this before, sony has a lot more riding on the ps5 than ms and they will be more willing to take a bigger loss and make sure they launch a powerful console. MS is posting $10 billion in profits every quarter despite xbox losing money while sony is posting $3 billion in profits mostly due to the ps4. its entirely possible that they fuck it all up but its highly unlikely considering sony has never fucked up like this before. their biggest fuck up was a console with a $800 bom.

The analyst noted PSN's $12.5 billion is "higher than Nintendo's total revenue for 2018." Sony's network also beat out Microsoft's gaming division last year, which generated $11.5 billion, according to Ahmad.

Only PSN made $12.5B in 2019, but the Playstation division:

At $18.72 billion overall, 2019 was the second-biggest year in revenue for PlayStation, including hardware, software, and all revenues earned through the division. That was down from 2018's $20.43 billion, but up from $16.77 billion in 2017.

Sony Made over $12 Billion Through PSN in 2019, its Second Biggest Year for Revenue - PlayStation LifeStyle

Sony made more than $12B in PSN revenue in 2019, including from sales of digital games and add-ons, as well as subscription service memberships.

www.playstationlifestyle.net

So Playstation is making around double what Xbox Division making with all its services and sales.

The companies as a whole:

Sony $78B
Microsoft $110B

Microsoft is bigger but less diverse, and benefiting from PC monopoly at the moment until Chrome OS matures + Harmony OS (Huawei) hit the market and share some of that space.

Sony gaming division is not the most profitable branch anyway, but they are top/high-end on most of their branches in terms of quality and seems to be seeking car making in the near future.