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DeepEnigma
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We have a great community here. Maybe I should bake them a cake and tag them for pussy crumbs.
P.S. Welcome to the club.
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nowhat
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Ehh, I mean, when talking about the general population yes. But here people seem to be raising their tents with every pastebin, and higher price seems to raise it higher.
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GlassAwful
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March 1st, 2nd and 3rd.I'm excited about three things the 1st is PS5 reveale , the 2nd is the last of us part 2 and the 3rd is that game which I can't say but I'm just going to pretend I never hint anything about it ..
Anyway..OsirisBlack @HeisenbergFX4 and @BGs those guys I can tell they are telling what they know not what they hear from a distance ..
You heard it right here folks.
FranXico
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Captain Hero
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Neo Blaster
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Except that casuals don't care about visuals if they can play ALL the new games using the console they already have or can purchase with big savings.
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Sinthor
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Well, I'll acknowledge I'm one of those sick puppies who would likely GLADLY buy a super advanced $1,000 gaming console just to have the best. That's pretty crazy, but I'd do it. Still, most of the population of this planet simply cannot or will not do the same. Probably the smart move, too. Bottom line, $500 consoles will not sell as much as $400 and so on...doesn't matter the 'power.' Because nothing is THAT big of a jump yet. If we had the kind of jump graphically that there was between the PS1 and PS2 for example, maybe people would be more willing to spend $500 or more on a console. But it won't be. What you see on a "regular" 1080p TV will be comparable to a 4k set. Just lighting and particle differences mostly. Will still look great. So....a point of diminishing returns right now.
I believe in
Do you believe in Osiris numbers as well, because his sources have PS5 higher specs whereas your sources (including your Sony source) have the PS5 lower?
llien
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People also tend not to read 900 pages in a thread without updated summary post.
Not all, but like every human being casuals like something new from time to time. Most smartphones are sold, because people want something new and not because they are needed.
llien
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Yes, but it contained pieces of known size, which allowed to estimate its size pretty well.
So, slightly bigger than 400mm2 die.
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nowhat
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I appreciate your analysis...
...but I was just trying to make a dick joke (you know, raising a tent)
FranXico
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I have found your puns to be an acquired taste, my friend.
ANIMAL1975
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You got it backwards,
OsirisBlack
posted it first and correctly: fortnight. Very probably that Zhuge guys joke was intended for Osiris,... Why? Maybe but hurt cause doesn't have devs sharing info with him.
nowhat
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Or rather, you must have as poor taste in humour (po-tay-to, po-ta-to)
Sinthor
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Yeah, I know...was just trying to give you some cover is all. Some say...deniability if someone accused you of being so base and low.
Just umm....rising to the occasion!
llien
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I've never owned XBox, and I have no plans to, at least so far.
Please remind me the reasons to think PS5 has more than 36CUs, besides "it makes me feel as if random dudes that root for XSeX feel that they have defeated me in a battle in which neither me nor them are participating"?
In case of XSeX it is the 407mm2 chip proudly demoed by MS officials. Even with old school DUV 7nm, with Zen 8 core chiplet being about 80mm2, that leaves about 327mm2 to the GPU, which is 30% more than 5700XT's 250mm2, BUT it is likely to run at lower clocks, so 12.6 is hardly achievable max, more likely thing runs at 1.8 (11.3TF) or even 1.6 (10.1TF), which, even if we compare it to PS5 basically running 5700XT, gives us mild difference (and likely quieter console).
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Perrott
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Gamernyc78
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tht comment says it all. Bro try harder.
llien
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This thread is wrecked by console warriors.
Gamernyc78
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It definitely is. I concur.
Mriverz
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Daniel_Mallorca1985
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chemical boy
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At the moment February 16 and there is no notice of any type of PS5 presentation. At the moment all the insiders fail, I hope this changes throughout the month.
Gamernyc78
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Kusarigama
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another day, another reddit post
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Perrott
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Dude, I thought that we were done with that (fake) photo of the PS website.
Turns out that I was wrong.
They relocate to Alaska where no one can find them
and ask for bans when it gets to hot.this gen there are no insiders ...
last gen we had a hacker ... which also wasn’t a insider ..
he leaked everything.
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Insane Metal
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^That reddit post. If we go by this "less CUs, much higher clock" for the PS5 we will end up with a pretty bad TDP. I'm struggling to believe they'll go this direction. Also, the SSD info is very limited and nothing about PS5 being faster which is already known.
I'm calling this another fake.
I'm calling this another fake.
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chemical boy
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The truth is that I have already lost the excitement for this type of thing, as none of the rumors have been fulfilled so far, we have no acquisitions of Sony or MS companies announced, there is no presentation of the PS5 this month, there is no game state ... well I start to not believe in anyone that is not an official source.
DaGwaphics
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It's funny, I looked at that and thought the clocks were too low for one and MAYBE a bit too high for another. A 450 - 525MHz spread wouldn't surprise me at GPU level (in this 32/40 vs. 56/60 scenario perpetuated by GitH).
That reddit dude must think yields of the MS chip are absolutely horrifying.
We'll see how it all turns out.
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Gamernyc78
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I hate when these reports come with common sense shit we've debated back and forth for months. It's a fact this gen with ps4 Sony waited last minute to verify a price after hearing Xbox price, it's no different for the upcoming Gen. This isn't news it's just common sense shit..
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Moses85
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I heard something while I was waiting in the line of a Supermarket checkout.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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With all due respect, there isn't a lot of context to Heisenberg, Osiris, Klee or even Jason's comments. Let alone folks like Tommy Fisher or CameFromFuturesPast, who seemed to be impostors if anything. We don't know what dev kits and spec sheets they were looking at (or their sources were looking at) when they made those posts. We don't know how trustworthy their sources are, or if those sources are still relevant/pertinent.
Take for example Jason's "Google 10.7" comment. We already know that Stadia is GCN, but he never claimed if the 10.7 was just flush (implying something like Moore's Law) or if it were based on architectural specifications. Because guess what? 10.7 GCN gets you roughly 8.025TF Navi, and guess when Sony made a reference to 8TF? Back when they were talking about the amount of processing power you'd need at minimum for native 4K60 gaming. That comment was made likely some time around PS4 Pro's launch IIRC.
This is what I mean when I say some of these insiders have very little context with their statements. It isn't the only example, either. I remember another insider making a statement to the effect of XSX having around 11TF Navi, and this was after the APU die shot went up and tech channel experts had estimated the die size to a little over 400mm2. I asked them at the time of the comment why would the XSX, at a specification of possibly 56CUs, clock its GPU well below the minimum of the sweetspot of 1.7GHz-1.8GHz, to get "just" 11? Because that would mean the GPU clocked @ 1545. Which just made zero sense for an APU of that size. You can probably already guess but said individual was never able to answer that particular question xD.
It honestly perplexes me how quickly people will run with some of the insider claims without actually taking a second and thinking of the context or probability into the claims. This isn't me saying "don't listen to insiders"; they are very much still worth listening to. But you have to weigh it and do so with a dash of salt because not everything will turn out to be true or even close to true. And as someone who likes to do their own research into possibilities, probabilities, existing data and trends etc., that probably makes me less suspectible to believing every single thing an insider claims.
OTOH, I do have to question why everyone who is doubtful of anyone not 100% buying stock into simply insiders jumps off with the Github leak. Can't speak too much for others (tho I'd assume the following's true for many of them, as well), but the Github leak hasn't been at the forefront of my own factors into PS5 speculation. It's a neat reference, but that's about it. Actually, it's been the persistent GPU benchmark datamines which have been of more pertinence, and it just happens that parts of the Github leak agree with them. It just so happens, as well, that the V-design PS5 kit fits circumstantially with the GPU benchmarks as well; you can infer a GPU clocked @2GHz is drawing a lot of heat and that V-design PS5 dev kit fits would be very suitable for cooling such a GPU. The GPU benchmarks have been creating a long-term pattern and that's a data point worth taking into consideration.
Let me get back to the insiders, tho. Speaking of lack of context, another claim by many of them is that XSX's dev kits were running behind schedule relative PS5's, aka PS5 had dev kits out quite earlier. I think it was sometime in November but we had gotten some type of word about XSX devkits just getting shipped? So, the insiders were basically claiming PS5 performance being ahead, but if developers had XSX devkits further behind in steppings or didn't even have XSX devkits at all, would that be assumed? Some of the comments, though, made it seem like XSX devkits were already mature and in dev hands at the time of those early claims. I even noticed contradictions going on from some insiders even on that note, so it really does beg the question of what was their context.
I've seen some reference target spec sheets as a way of making up for that (I know Jason has done such; maybe not to "make up" for earlier claims implying dev kits being out when they weren't, but he did say something about looking at target spec sheets IIRC), but I've always found the timing of some insiders going back and forth between going off the dev kits and the target spec sheets as almost intentionally confusing. And come to think of it, when is the last time any insiders have actually seen up-to-date dev kit performance for either system, or their sources for that matter? Some of the claims put out earlier date very far back, since before E3 2019 in fact. If some have tried telling people to disregard a leak with a chip tested in June 2019, how are their claims for supposed next-gen performance supposed to be taken at face value when they were based on things predating that year's E3? If one source is questionable due to timing, then should not the other be as well?
And FWIW, again the persistent GPU benchmarks that have been found since that leak seem to be more recent as well. Not SUPER recent but, just as an example, Oberon stepping E0 (I think) is the one that fixed a silicon bug in the memory controller, allowing for more memory bandwidth.
I'm not saying one source is "better" than the other, but I can say personally, that at least things like the GPU benchmarks provide a timeline, they have relevance with one another, and have been persistent and provide somewhat more context, which increases their pertinence. Some of the Youtubers a few folks want to write off, they actually have a lot of technical knowledge, and understanding of the production process, fab process, how orders for fabbing works, and understanding of the performance potential of various architectures including, yes, Zen and Navi. Some of them also have a focus on the tech market as a whole, especially with particular companies like AMD and Intel, their product lines etc. and even if they don't focus particularly on gaming, when they DO talk about the next-gen systems they tend to utilize that knowledge into their discussion of various rumors or data that comes about.
IMO, a healthy mix of taking the various sources into account is the best approach, because none of them are going to be 100% correct. And, yes, for certain areas I think some carry more weight than others. For example at the moment I feel the benchmark datamines carry more weight than insiders "claiming" certain specs, because one is hard data with a pattern and timeline to it while the other are speculation from messengers relying on sources that can run the gamut of literally anything.
People being honest in their own speculation who are wiling to shift through the different sources (leaks, insiders, benchmarks, tech analyzer speculation, tech articles etc.) and see what parts of what they say are most probable and line up in agreement with each other the most within a sensible hierarchy, are going to be closer to guessing what's likely with these system versus those who cling absolutely to only one such source, to the point of infallibility. Hopefully people put some of those more troublesome emotions aside and try being more reasonable in what they speculate; it's alright to have a preference, but don't let it turn you into making unreasonable speculations especially if those lead into a next-gen console war pissing contest.
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Mendou
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Who knows, he might work at AMD and not know too much about the custom SSD solution of the PS5. Besides that, I'm willing to believe that Sony would decide on using all 40cu's on their console clocked to 2ghz as a response to Microsoft. It might be all they can do at this late stage seeing as how the chip and console design is final. The expensive cooling could possibly support a 2ghz chip, although unlocking all 40cu's on their console would provide less yields for them - possibly creating a shortage.
Interesting reddit post nonetheless.
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Neo Blaster
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Can you remind the reasons PS5 has 36 CUs besides a lacking context leak?
I have not posted in this forum in quite some time, i do have to say however that anything that comes out regarding info is always labeled "fake", so anything that does not suit "your" idea of specs or power is fake? how can you refute those claims i ask myself? if you call something fake than explain why, what info you have to make those claims? i hope the insiders in this thread don't stop posting info, it is what makes this wait exiting, but at the same time is easy to understand why they go silent for days, anything they put out get questioned and dissected, and then we have the direct attacks to their credibility, an insider goes by info presented to them by sources, sources as in any medium that handles information can be right and wrong, this however does not make you judge and jury, take what they provide with a grain of salt and move on, no need to directly attack anyone, be and let be, with that said, stay classy GAF, be nice to each other.
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Moridianae
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Both have told it straight. I don't really care if Microsoft has a 10% advantage over Sony or vice versa. It's negligible.
I just don't see any way Sony goes for a roughly 3 TF weaker system. That's an almost 30% difference and I don't think that's going to happen.
As far as a reveal event goes, I don't know how likely February is looking. I'm still friends with the Sony PS rep from my GameStop days, but I haven't spoken to him in quite some time.
Regardless, he's on my social media and as of yet, he hasn't begun to travel anywhere that I've seen. I know he used to go for E3, etc. Don't know about the other events.
Doesn't bode too well for a big, invite type event and I'm hesitant to reach out to him because it would betray our acquaintance, of course.
I'm thinking a Wired article or SoP, honestly. I hope for more, but it is looking unlikely with February rapidly fading away.
I just don't see any way Sony goes for a roughly 3 TF weaker system. That's an almost 30% difference and I don't think that's going to happen.
As far as a reveal event goes, I don't know how likely February is looking. I'm still friends with the Sony PS rep from my GameStop days, but I haven't spoken to him in quite some time.
Regardless, he's on my social media and as of yet, he hasn't begun to travel anywhere that I've seen. I know he used to go for E3, etc. Don't know about the other events.
Doesn't bode too well for a big, invite type event and I'm hesitant to reach out to him because it would betray our acquaintance, of course.
I'm thinking a Wired article or SoP, honestly. I hope for more, but it is looking unlikely with February rapidly fading away.
Chromata
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Not sure if this was posted yet, but apparently the Official Playstation Forums are shutting down on Feb 27th.
Source: https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/community.topic.html/announcement_commun-zRTI/
I'm not going to be one of those people and say we're getting PS5 news on the 27th, but I'm wondering why shut down your own community forum? Is it because they want to fully focus on social media?
Source: https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/community.topic.html/announcement_commun-zRTI/
I'm not going to be one of those people and say we're getting PS5 news on the 27th, but I'm wondering why shut down your own community forum? Is it because they want to fully focus on social media?
ResilientBanana
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Same goes for the other way around. Also who’s really got the common sense around here? This place is going fucking crazy. The 9.2TF news made everyone insane.This is how Xbox fanboys trying to convince the community...
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chemical boy
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So how easy it is to be insiders if they are only to receive praises and in case they are wrong they will always be justified. A person who registers in a forum and claims to be privileged information knows that he will receive media attention from all over the world. He will be the most popular person in the forum and will have numerous followers. This is always the case. But that same person must also be prepared for criticism in case of error in their information.
Gamernyc78
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Not to mention these ppl praising others are praising nothing bcus what we've heard is the same ifs, ands, and regurgitated bs from months ago, nothing new.
DaGwaphics
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Agreed. But would taking that photo constitute boasting about the size?
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