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[DrDamn]

Also, has anybody updated their one x to the new dashboard? I just got the update, and... wow... it’s bloody fast. It loads things right away. No hyper-bollock but clicking my games and apps and the app icons all load instantly, and I have hundreds of games. Brilliant update.

Do you think there will be a new dash for XSX? There has been a very recent redesign for X1 and it would be odd not to have some consistency between the two. So I wouldn't expect a major departure from what we have currently - at least in terms of core structure.

 

[LED Guy?]

Triggered? Oh I see, the old I have nothing, accuse the other person of something routine. Gotcha. Forgot, internet forum and all.

Yup, thank you

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Do you think there will be a new dash for XSX? There has been a very recent redesign for X1 and it would be odd not to have some consistency between the two. So I wouldn't expect a major departure from what we have currently - at least in terms of core structure.

My money would be on both systems having a dash that’s near enough the same. I think the PS4 May get an update to be more like the PS5 dash changes wise. The Xbox is now using a new dash, and it’s really good.

It’s anybodies guess really. But my money would be on keeping things the same. They want people to feel familiar moving from one to the other.

Not that I wouldn’t pay good money for the old blades to return, just for fun

 

[splattered]

If target ps5 is 10tf or 11tf but theyre having thermal issues already in dev kits what can realistically be expected for retail? There is no way Sony is gonna put out a 10 to 12tf console that puts out tons of heat. Either we get a very large ps5 chassis like the XsX tower or they have to down clock things to a safer level, no?

 

[hemo memo]

When you found out your plastic box is weaker

Fans first reaction when Sony announce the PS5 reveal date

 

[Gavin Stevens]

If target ps5 is 10tf or 11tf but theyre having thermal issues already in dev kits what can realistically be expected for retail? There is no way Sony is gonna put out a 10 to 12tf console that puts out tons of heat. Either we get a very large ps5 chassis like the XsX tower or they have to down clock things to a safer level, no?

Looks like they are investing in better cooling. Better cooling will eliminate those thermal issues, but also hopefully allow up clocking in a few areas, too, which means they can, potentially, close the gap to a higher 11tf versus an SX at 12. That’s not out of the realm of possibility, it’s been done before this close to release.

When you think about it, all of that falls pretty much in line with everything.

 

[Agnostic2020]

If target ps5 is 10tf or 11tf but theyre having thermal issues already in dev kits what can realistically be expected for retail? There is no way Sony is gonna put out a 10 to 12tf console that puts out tons of heat. Either we get a very large ps5 chassis like the XsX tower or they have to down clock things to a safer level, no?

depends on the cooling system in the final retail unit.

 

[HawarMiran]

Yeah but for blue team, we have all seen. The tests, 9.2, they will clock as fast as they can be around 10 TF. Still good for a 399 machine but no beast like series X.

What blue team? There is no team you baboon. It is all in your head

 

[Kobi]

Also, has anybody updated their one x to the new dashboard? I just got the update, and... wow... it’s bloody fast. It loads things right away. No hyper-bollock but clicking my games and apps and the app icons all load instantly, and I have hundreds of games. Brilliant update.

Another new one? Or will that be the same one that came out about a month ago? Are you in the insider program?(makes me laugh when I say that now)

 

[Gamernyc78]

Oh man, Sony is losing all their fruits they earned with their glory PS4 era.
Reminds me on Nintendo and how they fucked up with the WiiU after their great Wii success.

Bookmarked to see all the crow ppl eat when psv outsells Xbox. Some of you fanboys assume the craziest delusional shit. Yeah all the mindshare Sony has gained through all the years due to quality and games is going to disappear bcus of some announcements lol again when psv specs are announced ppl will be all on it whether it's now or later. Thts how thyll be lol

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Another new one? Or will that be the same one that came out about a month ago? Are you in the insider program?(makes me laugh when I say that now)

No I didn’t want to be in the insider program because the damn things have a lot of issues, and I can’t be bothered with all that.

The new dash that released today is the new dash, there hasn’t been an update like this for a long time? it’s been talked about a lot recently by those who had access to it, but it’s now a public update.

Its very good, very well organised, and most importantly, much much faster.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Bookmarked to see all the crow ppl eat when psv outsells Xbox. Some of you fanboys assume the craziest delusional shit. Yeah all the mindshare Sony has gained through all the years due to quality and games is going to disappear bcus of some announcements lol again when psv specs are announced ppl will be all on it whether it's now or later. Thts how thyll be lol

Chill out babe... Sony isn’t going anywhere, and will still be on top next gen in sales, that’s just a monster task that is near impossible to beat. But don’t be surprised if the gaps much smaller this time. For all people hate on MS, they are sending all the right messages, saying all the right things and making all the right moves. People wanted a powerful box that was all about games and nothing else, and hell, that’s exactly what they have done.

So a safe bet will still say Sony will be on top. But a smart bet would also say that MS will do much better this gen.

 

[Physiognomonics]

...

* memory wise, both systems are on par. 16gb ddr6. Let go of the HBM2 dream, it was never on the cards to begin with. What I can’t ascertain however, is if either are using a split memory pool for OS level tasks. I haven’t had a single straight answer on that one, other than “its complicated, but yes, and no”. That leads me to believe that possibly something else is going on here. If the PS5 has a separate look of let’s say 4gb DDR4 then they can use the full 16gb for games opposed to less for the SX. But what’s been alluded to for me is a bit strange, almost like you don’t have to worry about it as much. Which I can’t understand at all? Any ideas?

...

Yes I have an idea about it. Based on the previous E3 render of XSX APU we know the GDDR6 ram is most probably going to use mixed 1GB and 2GB chips using a 320 bit bus. The problem is that using mixed chips will create bandwidth restrictions: 10GB of GDDR6 will be at full speed (560GB/s) and 6 GB at reduced speed (about 330GB/s).

That would put some constraints on developers about how to manage their ram allocation. There won't actually be a fully unifed memory on XSX.

To be confirmed of course but It would perfectly explain what the dev told you.

 

[LED Guy?]

Oh man, Sony is losing all their fruits they earned with their glory PS4 era.
Reminds me on Nintendo and how they fucked up with the WiiU after their great Wii success.

Someone didn't sleep for 10 days or something...

 

[CrashNBurn_281]

If target ps5 is 10tf or 11tf but theyre having thermal issues already in dev kits what can realistically be expected for retail? There is no way Sony is gonna put out a 10 to 12tf console that puts out tons of heat. Either we get a very large ps5 chassis like the XsX tower or they have to down clock things to a safer level, no?

While OsirisBlack did say the PS5 was hot, he never indicated that is was having thermal problems.

Odium is the only one, that I can recall, that has claimed it was having the issue. Maybe I am wrong?

 

[Smoke6]

Microsoft, with game pass and this, makes for a compelling case of making XSX the defacto console for cross platform games, like X360 was (for me). I will still get the PS5 for the exclusives, but damn bro, they really got ahead of Sony in the PR game now.

Game pass won’t exist but for a few months before the launch of this new system due to all the hype it just created!

they would be foolish to keep giving that away for cheap now that we know they brought the thunder!

I still feel that Sony quietness payed off dividends and this is basically what they wanted to expose and it worked!

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Yes I have an idea about it. Based on the previous E3 render of XSX APU we know the GDDR6 ram is most probably going to use mixed 1GB and 2GB chips using a 320 bit bus. The problem is that using mixed chips will create bandwidth restrictions: 10GB of GDDR6 will be at full speed (560GB/s) and 6 GB at reduced speed (about 330GB/s).

That would put some constraints on developers about how to manage their ram allocation. There won't actually be a fully unifed memory on XSX.

To be confirmed of course but It would perfectly explain what the dev told you.

The only real solid stuff I know on memory is spec, it’s gddr6 On both, same number. That’s pretty much set in stone, as a few other things (noticeably cpu) dictate this at this stage. Like I say, maybe they add some extra ram onboard in a separate allocation for the os, maybe not. But the actual usage of memory between the two is pretty much on par to a point that makes no conceivable difference in gains. Of course there will be bottle necks, there always are. But both systems are so well designed that these bottle necks have other areas that compliment them somewhat to alleviate the damage some what.

They are both brilliantly designed by the sounds of it, and we won’t be getting a situation like current gen at launch where MS totally cocked up the memory situation

In short - we all win. It’s brilliant.

 

[jon3sy9]

Price will be a major factor as always.

Maybe Microsoft will follow the phone business model and offer GamePass for £40pm for 2 years and include a XSX

its £25 a month for xbox all access. i bought it in december and got an xbox one x, and i can upgrade for free when the series x releases, bargain for me

 

[sonomamashine]

13.8TF? I don’t know what people are smoking but it’s really strong.

Kush & orange juice.

- PS5 is not going to be 9Tf, they can't allow Xbox to have the 3Tf advantage, that would impact sells.
Both consoles gonna be close to each other by a thin margin, keep in mind if Sony release something lower than xbox (-1,5Tf) is probably for pricing, 399$ did them very well.
A (10.5TF) PS5 for 449/499$
gonna outsell a 12TF Xbox for 549/599$, MS needed this edge in power to make a statement.

 

[DGrayson]

Yeah but for blue team, we have all seen. The tests, 9.2, they will clock as fast as they can be around 10 TF. Still good for a 399 machine but no beast like series X.

Isnt this still pure speculation at this point? Why speak about it like its fact.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Isnt this still pure speculation at this point? Why speak about it like its fact.

isnt that how he starts baiting people for console wars?

 

[Neo Blaster]

Well i'm a PC gamer so. If i had my choice, both consoles would be identicle, simply because i dont know if i can go through another gen of console warring on here and elsewhere to be honest.
Its just these 'insiders' annoy me, and if the AMD test things ended up true, it would show that they were full of shit, which most of them are. Thats why i said 'ONLY for that reason'

You complain about console warring but want a console to be mediocre just to brag on insiders? How old are you, 10?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

While OsirisBlack did say the PS5 was hot, he never indicated that is was having thermal problems.

Odium is the only one, that I can recall, that has claimed it was having the issue. Maybe I am wrong?

Thermal issues doesn’t mean “oh shit it’s on fire”, but more so “this isn’t where we want to be on average temp under heavy load”. They could, in theory, release the system exactly as it was as mentioned, and be totally fine. Remember that was about a dev kit, which is going to be running hotter anyway, so you would assume as much.

However...

You don’t want electronics running hot for sustained periods of time, you want it as cool as possible. Hence, oh look, Sony have a high bom count on cooling?

So I would fully expect these thermal issues and heat targets to be resolved fully.

Also like I said just now, heat means you can’t push your system harder, so lowering the heat output and improving thermals might allow some up clocking on certain areas. It won’t be much, but if your system is running at 11.5tf for example, you could get it to 11.75tf with relatively ease. It will do fuck all for anything mind you, you won’t see much improvement anywhere, fps will barely budge a digit... but on PAPER, 11.75 looks better, and as we all know, people eat that up.

So expect thermals to be fine come retail. I would bet my house on it.

Likewise, SX is utterly cool and silent? HOWEVER, the SX was designed from the get go as a 12tf machine. The PS5 wasn’t in its original form, it was designed as a next gen 9ish tf machine, until Sony went back and changed a shit load a good while back. So this all makes sense when you think about it.

 

[Burrito Bandito]

Looks like they are investing in better cooling. Better cooling will eliminate those thermal issues, but also hopefully allow up clocking in a few areas, too, which means they can, potentially, close the gap to a higher 11tf versus an SX at 12. That’s not out of the realm of possibility, it’s been done before this close to release.

When you think about it, all of that falls pretty much in line with everything.

the problem with this is that its driving up their costs to the point where they will have a weaker system at the same retail orixe as the xbox.

the xbox went with the tower design which cuts costs on cooling systems since the design itself helps with the cooling. whereas Sony likely didnt go tower design and is now having to pay out the ass for cooling just to get in the same ballpark tflop wise. so not only will this increase their cost ineffectiveness it will also increase their risk for unit failures. honestly the better play for Sony would be to go with the 9.2 system and launch cheaper. they wont lose any customers that way

 

[CrashNBurn_281]

Isnt this still pure speculation at this point? Why speak about it like its fact.

Probably because.....

 

[xool]

Dude I took alot of screenshots, I can't wait to post them all as soon as Sony reveal the ps5. Many people are gonna leave this thread & twitter as soon as I post them

Doing god's work. I can't wait for the next-gen thread of shame.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Likewise, SX is utterly cool and silent? HOWEVER, the SX was designed from the get go as a 12tf machine. The PS5 wasn’t in its original form, it was designed as a next gen 9ish tf machine, until Sony went back and changed a shit load a good while back. So this all makes sense when you think about it.

What I actually find interesting is that Sony also believes that power is a big differentiator and not necessarily price. Otherwise they would've released the 9-10TF $400 console, but now they are deliberately choosing to be on par when it comes to power with the XSX. It must have cost them a lot in R&D to make these changes so late, knowing they already had customised other parts of the console as a differentiator. Hence why it makes sense they are worried about how to price the PS5.

 

[IkarugaDE]

Oh man, Sony is losing all their fruits they earned with their glory PS4 era.
Reminds me on Nintendo and how they fucked up with the WiiU after their great Wii success.

WIiU failed cause of the stupid name and the fact the WiiU "controller" looks like a Amazon Fire Kinds and you could not move further from the console how far you can piss.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

the problem with this is that its driving up their costs to the point where they will have a weaker system at the same retail orixe as the xbox.

the xbox went with the tower design which cuts costs on cooling systems since the design itself helps with the cooling. whereas Sony likely didnt go tower design and is now having to pay out the ass for cooling just to get in the same ballpark tflop wise. so not only will this increase their cost ineffectiveness it will also increase their risk for unit failures. honestly the better play for Sony would be to go with the 9.2 system and launch cheaper. they wont lose any customers that way

We still don’t know what Sony has in mind for its console design. However, I would say a traditional form factor would make most sense to guess at. But you just said it all yourself, doing all this would be more expensive, and yet, the PS5 bom has cost issues reportedly... so, yes, lol.

Upclocking am already established GPU and cpu a small margin isn’t going to increase costs, btw. It will just produce more invariability and increase heat. You may run into some compatibility areas (I doubt it) but it’s a fairly simple process of what you already have is working. It doesn’t mean it’s aways 100% feasible or possible however (see heat issues or target power consumption).

 

[01011001]

what I am curious about is that, if it turns out that Sony is close in power, will Microsoft once again do a last minute overclock like they did with the Xbox One?

I bet they certainly could when the github stuff is correct and we are looking at a clockrate of around 1.7ghz.

with a case this big I could see them going for at least 1.8ghz.

I wonder if we will see a power battle that continues till way later this year.

 

[Burrito Bandito]

Kush & orange juice.

- PS5 is not going to be 9Tf, they can't allow Xbox to have the 3Tf advantage, that would impact sells.
Both consoles gonna be close to each other by a thin margin, keep in mind if Sony release something lower than xbox (-1,5Tf) is probably for pricing, 399$ did them very well.
A (10.5TF) PS5 for 449/499$
gonna outsell a 12TF Xbox for 549/599$, MS needed this edge in power to make a statement.

ok but ps4 had a larger advantage on xbox. so of course they CAN have a 9tf machine. and with dominating this gen like they did they can certainly afford to cheap out a bit

 

[Gavin Stevens]

What I actually find interesting is that Sony also believes that power is a big differentiator and not necessarily price. Otherwise they would've released the 9-10TF $400 console, but now they are deliberately choosing to be on par when it comes to power with the XSX. It must have cost them a lot in R&D to make these changes so late, knowing they already had customised other parts of the console as a differentiator. Hence why it makes sense they are worried about how to price the PS5.

Late changes? Man, the 9tf dream is years old. Sony ditched that a long time ago. That was their original plan, to release a 9tf machine sometime in 2019. But those plans changed in 2018, so they could release a faster unit in 2020. They have had a while to work on things, it’s not a last minute change. People need to let go of the 9tf stuff, it’s pure fantasy.

01011001 yeah it’s possible that Ms can up the clocks just the same, just a little. they have the cooler console and they have the headroom for it. BUT, even though you can just go into your bios on a pc and enter a few new digits, that’s not the same here. Your whole machine is balanced to work under a set target. So yes it’s actually MORE possible MS can do this compared to Sony even, but that doesn’t mean they will. You are asking for more potential problems and increased heat and increased power consumption, for gains of what are essential bugger all at this spec. Sony are more likely to do it however to bridge the gap a little, ms have no need, but can if they wish.

Still, stranger things have happened.

 

[Agnostic2020]

the problem with this is that its driving up their costs to the point where they will have a weaker system at the same retail orixe as the xbox.

the xbox went with the tower design which cuts costs on cooling systems since the design itself helps with the cooling. whereas Sony likely didnt go tower design and is now having to pay out the ass for cooling just to get in the same ballpark tflop wise. so not only will this increase their cost ineffectiveness it will also increase their risk for unit failures. honestly the better play for Sony would be to go with the 9.2 system and launch cheaper. they wont lose any customers that way

lol i love how u r "concerned" if PS5 is reaching 12 tf and u think it is better plan for them to go with 9.5 TF

 

[Neo Blaster]

Oh man, Sony is losing all their fruits they earned with their glory PS4 era.
Reminds me on Nintendo and how they fucked up with the WiiU after their great Wii success.

 

[Ragona]

Late changes? Man, the 9tf dream is years old. Sony ditched that a long time ago. That was their original plan, to release a 9tf machine sometime in 2019. But those plans changed in 2018, so they could release a faster unit in 2020. They have had a while to work on things, it’s not a last minute change. People need to let go of the 9tf stuff, it’s pure fantasy.

01011001 yeah it’s possible that Ms can up the clocks just the same, just a little. they have the cooler console and they have the headroom for it. BUT, even though you can just go into your bios on a pc and enter a few new digits, that’s not the same here. Your whole machine is balanced to work under a set target. So yes it’s actually MORE possible MS can do this compared to Sony even, but that doesn’t mean they will. You are asking for more potential problems and increased heat and increased power consumption, for gains of what are essential bugger all at this spec. Sony are more likely to do it however to bridge the gap a little, ms have no need, but can if they wish.

Still, stranger things have happened.

this does make alot of sense and lines up with some other rumors floating around.
I just wonder ... does the change of plans mean a completely new chip with more cus? did the 2019 Version have raytracing in mind? or did they just amp the clocks and go for a more expensiive cooling solution.
Swapping the chip seems like a fucking expensive move.

 

[sonomamashine]

My take on the 9Tf Github Leak :
They had to push it to 2Ghz so they can get approximately an equivalent of Final Chip (11.3Tf - 10.5Tf), a lower clocked APU with more CU's, all this to make first gen games look amazing.

 

[Agnostic2020]

My take on the 9Tf Github Leak :
They had to push it to 2Ghz so they can get approximately an equivalent of Final Chip (11.3Tf - 10.5Tf), a lower clocked APU with more CU's, all this to make first gen games look amazing.

or github is BC regression test with boost mode being 2ghz at 36 cu and disabling rest of CU . so they didnt need to be in the test. so basically ps5 is 9 tf in BC boost mode

 

[Gavin Stevens]

My take on the 9Tf Github Leak :
They had to push it to 2Ghz so they can get approximately an equivalent of Final Chip (11.3Tf - 10.5Tf), a lower clocked APU with more CU's, all this to make first gen games look amazing.

10.5 to 11.3 and upped clocks to high which results in a shit load of heat. Sound familiar...?

 

[it_wasn't_me]

this does make alot of sense and lines up with some other rumors floating around.
I just wonder ... does the change of plans mean a completely new chip with more cus? did the 2019 Version have raytracing in mind? or did they just amp the clocks and go for a more expensiive cooling solution.
Swapping the chip seems like a fucking expensive move.

PS5 is not 9/8tf, stop It already

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[CrashNBurn_281]

ok but ps4 had a larger advantage on xbox. so of course they CAN have a 9tf machine. and with dominating this gen like they did they can certainly afford to cheap out a bit

 

[Lampiao]

More and more I see here that 12 tf by microsoft is perfectly possible and without problems but 11/12/13 tf by sony is impossible and absurd, even when all insiders are talking about equality.
Take care to listen to highly paid PR disguised in the community rather than those who have real internal contacts.

 

[jackets with pockets]

Theres was a pastebin post uploaded yesterday that said 27th at 2pm PST. I know pastebin isn't trustworthy but it's something.

PS5 reveal event announcement - Pastebin.com

pastebin.com

Someone managed to archive it:

PS5 reveal event announcement - Pastebin.com

archived 25 Feb 2020 01:31:13 UTC

archive.is

 

[Agnostic2020]

Someone managed to archive it:

PS5 reveal event announcement - Pastebin.com

archived 25 Feb 2020 01:31:13 UTC

archive.is

why the fuck was it deleted? its the first time i see something deleted on fucking pastebin lol

 

[Mr Moose]

Ok here is what I’ll say, taken from what I’ve been told plus captain obvious statements.

* Both systems are rdna 2, but not. They are essentially rdna 1.9 so to speak, with features bolted on, meaning that you can call it the next generation of rdna, you could even call it rdna 2 if you wanted. I wouldn’t myself but that seems to be what they are doing so ok.

Makes sense, MicroSoft said "custom RDNA 2".

 

[Gavin Stevens]

More and more I see here that 12 tf by microsoft is perfectly possible and without problems but 11/12/13 tf by sony is impossible and absurd, even when all insiders are talking about equality.
Take care to listen to highly paid PR disguised in the community rather than those who have real internal contacts.

13tf+ isn’t happening? Let it go. It’s actually more stupid to go for that than it is 9tf, and the whole 9tf talk is utterly stupid already.

But what a lot of people can’t understand is that Sony and Microsoft had two different goals at two different times. Whether people like it or not, Sony WAS making a next gen machine and it WAS targeting around 9tf. But those plans changed, a fair time ago. they leveraged all they had done on designing the 9tf system to get it much higher, and are now in the realms of about 10.5 to 11.5, with the possibility of it going a smidge higher.

Now just for a second disregard the Xbox, just forget it’s spec.., is 11tf a bad number? No it’s a bloody amazing number for a console. But at this stage, Sony are just a small tiny bit slower than MS, and that’s ok, because one will always be just a bit behind. It doesnt mean anything to anybody other than the most rabid of fanboy, we all know that Sony are about to drop some utterly ridiculous looking games. If that tiny, stupidly small upsets anybody (on any side) then man, I dunno, go outside or something.

 

[JLMC469]

The reason for revealing the specs before SONY is simple (IMO): mindshare.

 

[photogaz]

The silence is pretty annoying now. Though Sony can not allow MS to control the message on next-gen so surely they will reveal something soon.

 

[jackets with pockets]

why the fuck was it deleted? its the first time i see something deleted on fucking pastebin lol

There's at least this other one that got axed:

Ps5 2020 infos - Pastebin.com

web.archive.org

 

[Agnostic2020]

There's at least this other one that got axed:

Ps5 2020 infos - Pastebin.com

web.archive.org

can you copy paste it here? link doesn't work for me

 

[jackets with pockets]

can you copy paste it here? link doesn't work for me

I'm a third party small developer from EU,for the last 8 months i've been helping a well known company in a AAA game development that is set to release in 2020 as a lunch game for PS5.

Some infos that i'd like to share that are 99% correct(i say 99% because small incremental hardware change can occur till 2020,although specs are set in stone).

-PS5 official info from Sony somewhere around next E3(Sony will not be participating on E3),i'd say Q2 2019 small reveal
-PS5 release March 2020 or November 2020,not yet finalized
-backward compatible
-physical games & ps store
-ps plus & ps plus premium ( premium-beta early access,create private servers,
-specs CPU 7nm ryzen 8 core 16 threads,unknown speed
GPU 7nm Navi arhitecture around 14TF,its gonna be powerful and power efficient,Sony working with Amd for Navi,some sort of Ray Tracing but will not focus on that,more focus with VR and 4k,much better bandwith overall
24GB Gddr6 + 4gb ddr4 for os,we have 32 gb dev kits
-2tb hdd some sort of nand flash
-8k upscaling
-PSVR2 in 2020 also,reveal with ps5,big resolution boost probably 2560x1440,120hz,220 field of view,eye tracking,wireless,battery life 4-5 hours,headphones integrated,less motion sickenss,no breaker box,much less cable management,much more focus on VR for aaa games,price around 250$
-dualshock 5,some sort of camera inside for VR,more analog precision for fps games,something similiar to steam analog trackpad
-price 499$,100$ loss per console at a beginning

Ps4 exclusive launch games that i know of

Gran Turismo 7 (vr)
Pubg remaster 4k f2p with ps+ only on ps5
Last of us 2 remaster
Ghost of Tsushima remaster
2-3 aaa games more + psvr2 games

Non exclusive ps5 games 2020

Battlefield bad company 3
Harry potter
Gta 6 Holiday 2020 most probably,not hearing anything ps4 related (hearing that Sony is paying huge money to secure 1 month time exclusive for ps5). Been hearing rumors about Miami and New York,so 2 big cities,but im not sure if thats 100% true
Assassins creed
Horizon 2 so far in 2021