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[Reindeer]

That may have been a fluke, because he didnt guess all the specs. Plus twice as powerful as the X was a good safe guess to be fair.

As for your second part, yes, you absolutely can upclock the GPU and CPU quite close to release. If you have headroom in your voltage and thermals, a small upclock can push you upwards of 0.25tf at this spec. It’s been done before, even.

edit: spec targets are milestones to reach. For example,you can set out to walk 20 miles at 5mph, it doesn’t mean you will do it. Targets are there for a reason, but targets do change.

Even if there are upclocks late on, the difference will not be major like what is being reported by some people. You are dealing with small factor boxes and there's only so much upclocking they can do.

 

[Reindeer]

PS5 was supposed to have released in 2019 bruh! Let that sink in while also remembering that last minute change Sony made to their console memory! A lot more time for them to make that kinda change like that this time!

Changing memory capacity is not the same as changing CPU or GPU.

 

[Sinthor]

Knowing that I can't detail anything... I think it is obvious to think that the most significant improvements will be those expected in the VR field of the next decade. Improve sight related. The touch. And the attenuation of possible dizziness (NOT its elimination). In any case, without giving details, the biggest advance I see is immersion.

I hope to be able to make a thread regarding the dizziness that generated the VR and that could continue to generate to a greater or lesser extent depending on the device. The thread will be of several parts, both to comment on my experience and to know the user experience with different devices, in order to improve development. But to sum it up, one could say that there are basically two types of dizziness. Those who can be eliminated and those who cannot (speaking only at home level, outside the home, dizziness can be completely eliminated in certain ways, and also at home but at a cost). But as I say, it is something that I think will be better treated in its time and in its respective thread. I hope I can create it "soon" and be able to share more than promises.

BGs , I'm interested in this. I know a number of people, myself included that are all in their 30's or older, that experience dizziness and nausea when playing first-person titles. For myself, if I haven't played such a game for say 6 months and I go and try to, it makes me sick. I need to use anti-nausea pills (like you use when traveling) and "Sea Bands" that go on my wrists, for a while. After a few days though of playing these games, I can do it without medication or the sea bands and I'm FINE. Other people I know, don't get over it at all and constantly have to take other steps, if they are playing FPS titles. So I guess I'm lucky that mine goes away with time. As long as I periodically play an FPS game, I can keep myself to where I won't feel ill. But if I stop for a few months and then go back, I have to go thru the sickness again. Is it known what causes this? I thought it might be something related to age or blood pressure (and maybe it is for some), but also perhaps the fact that most of us didn't play games on huge screens like our tv's until a couple of decades ago so this just SEEMS like a new thing?

Very curious what you know about this. I've wondered how I would react to VR because of this. I figured it's hopefully the same and I'll be able to handle without issues.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Of course another area is that people really do hear what they want to hear. They will repeat the good stuff and ignore the bad, for their console of choice.

What this ends up doing is people will keep spouting the same thing over and over, and people will read into that. I mean, if there’s a thread and a dozen people are saying the same thing, how does it look? As an outsider?

If you repeat a lie a hundred times, it doesn’t make it any more true. But people who can’t think for themselves will buy into it.

For example, all my ex girlfriends said my penis was only 17 inches, does that make it true? No. But my wife knows the truth. It’s actually only 16. WIDE.

 

[geordiemp]

Of course another area is that people really do hear what they want to hear. They will repeat the good stuff and ignore the bad, for their console of choice.

What this ends up doing is people will keep spouting the same thing over and over, and people will read into that. I mean, if there’s a thread and a dozen people are saying the same thing, how does it look? As an outsider?

If you repeat a lie a hundred times, it doesn’t make it any more true. But people who can’t think for themselves will buy into it.

For example, all my ex girlfriends said my penis was only 17 inches, does that make it true? No. But my wife knows the truth. It’s actually only 16. WIDE.

You really have woken up with a boner today and a 1 track mind.

 

[BGs]

Is it PowerVR ray tracing added to the APU silicon for extra ray tracing performance ?

A wink or thumbs will do

I'm sorry. I would not like you to think that I am impolite for not answering your question.

 

[FranXico]

Of course another area is that people really do hear what they want to hear. They will repeat the good stuff and ignore the bad, for their console of choice.

What this ends up doing is people will keep spouting the same thing over and over, and people will read into that. I mean, if there’s a thread and a dozen people are saying the same thing, how does it look? As an outsider?

If you repeat a lie a hundred times, it doesn’t make it any more true. But people who can’t think for themselves will buy into it.

For example, all my ex girlfriends said my penis was only 17 inches, does that make it true? No. But my wife knows the truth. It’s actually only 16. WIDE.

The issue here is that there is a lot more wishing and spouting that someone else's penis is tiny (why should they even care) than there is wishing their own is bigger...

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Alot of ppl think Sony has created a better and more efficient, seperate RT solution. It has been talked about for months. Remember this is the same Sony that created a seperate chip for different functions such as shareplay, streaming features and other things on the ps4. They stay thinking out the box.

Hardware engineers and software ppl at Sony are ridiculously smart and cream of the crop and of course Cerny is there so I wouldn't be surprised.

We all talk about RT but most of the people (including me) doesn't know shit about it. We just base our ideas on past results, which doesn't mean much in the tech world. How many times we heard "no way consoles can do that because I have a similar GPU in my home and it doesn't do that" yeah sure buddy.
We just saw the very first steps of this technology, it's only granted we will see better results on equal hardware over time.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Even if there are upclocks late on, the difference will not be major like what is being reported by some people. You are dealing with small factor boxes and there's only so much upclocking they can do.

Oh god, yeah, absolutely. But it may be enough to bridge the gap between 11.75tf and 12.0tf, and that shits a big deal for optics.

But everything you stick in a console is a balancing act. Everything has to work well with each other. if one part is over powering another you have an unbalanced console, and shit gets bottle necked. For example, people keep saying throw more ram at it, or increase the SSD speed! Without absolutely any clue that to do that you need the cpu grunt to back up the processes to use them effectively, otherwise you just wasted your already small budget on something that can’t be used correctly.

 

[Gamernyc78]

The issue here is that there is a lot more spouting about someone else's penis being tiny (why should they even care) than there is about wishing their own is bigger...

Facts.

 

[Fake]

Of course another area is that people really do hear what they want to hear.

This is for everyone, even for me, even for you.

They will repeat the good stuff and ignore the bad, for their console of choice.

Or else witch hunt insiders.

What this ends up doing is people will keep spouting the same thing over and over, and people will read into that. I mean, if there’s a thread and a dozen people are saying the same thing, how does it look? As an outsider?

If you repeat a lie a hundred times, it doesn’t make it any more true. But people who can’t think for themselves will buy into it.

For example, all my ex girlfriends said my penis was only 17 inches, does that make it true? No. But my wife knows the truth. It’s actually only 16. WIDE.

Wow. You lost me there.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

You really have woken up with a boner today and a 1 track mind.

TODAY?

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Well likewise there are some people in this very thread who are a little bit too obsessed with Sony, so the same is likely true the other way. I mean, certain posters pretty much live and breath PlayStation, to the point that Cerny could step in a dog turd and they would twist it into positive news.

Fanatics are on both sides and dare I say it... Gaf has more Sony ones than Xbox ones, at least to my eyes.

Yeah, fanboys exists.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Yeah, fanboys exists.

Absolutely, for any medium.

But if MS come out and say it’s console is super cool, and Sony come out and say their console is cold to the touch, there are certain people here, on both sides, who will argue that’s is better than the other, even if the truth is they both run at 5degrees.

That’s life, baby.

 

[Moses85]

PS+ Titels for April

 

[sonomamashine]

Tommy Fisher I remember when he posted {2} way back, probably 2 ps5 SKU's, did he made a mistake or still running for insider ?

Nobody is asking them to name names, but at least put down a number if you really got the specs. I just see some people who are willing to risk it all and stand by their info and another group who aren't sure, don't have solid info or just lying to gain notoriety.

You gotta understand that Sony send multiple Dev Kits to developers, some might be 9TF, others 10TF etc... why would he risk to put a number that gonna narrow the search getting busted

 

[FranXico]

PS+ Titels for April

Did you travel one month back in time?

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Alot of ppl think Sony has created a better and more efficient, seperate RT solution. It has been talked about for months. Remember this is the same Sony that created a seperate chip for different functions such as shareplay, streaming features and other things on the ps4. They stay thinking out the box.

Hardware engineers and software ppl at Sony are ridiculously smart and cream of the crop and of course Cerny is there so I wouldn't be surprised.

Didn't sony somehow pull off 4k visuals on their exclusive games through checkboard rendering technique on the pro which is a little conservative on the specs front? so yeah they are smart in creating efficient solutions to the reach the end goal.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Changing memory capacity is not the same as changing CPU or GPU.

If the rumours are to be believed, they changed their plans back in 2017. Surely that's enough time to upgrade

 

[Fake]

Tommy Fisher I remember when he posted {2} way back, probably 2 ps5 SKU's, did he made a mistake or still running for insider ?

After uncle Phil confirmed 12TF I guess he back for more.

 

[Reindeer]

Well likewise there are some people in this very thread who are a little bit too obsessed with Sony, so the same is likely true the other way. I mean, certain posters pretty much live and breath PlayStation, to the point that Cerny could step in a dog turd and they would twist it into positive news.

Fanatics are on both sides and dare I say it... Gaf has more Sony ones than Xbox ones, at least to my eyes.

There are more PlayStation console users out there so it's only normal for there to be more people standing by that brand. I too find it sad by how loyal people can be to a brand, even people who get paid well aren't that loyal to their jobs and the companies they work for. Tribalism is really problematic and we haven't evolved to a point where we are no longer tribal.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Didn't sony somehow pull off 4k visuals on their exclusive games through checkboard rendering technique on the pro which is a little conservative on the specs front? so yeah they are smart in creating efficient solutions to the reach the end goal.

Yeah the checker boarding and dynamic resolution basically started with them on consoles.

 

[sonomamashine]

BGs , I'm interested in this. I know a number of people, myself included that are all in their 30's or older, that experience dizziness and nausea when playing first-person titles. For myself, if I haven't played such a game for say 6 months and I go and try to, it makes me sick. I need to use anti-nausea pills (like you use when traveling) and "Sea Bands" that go on my wrists, for a while. After a few days though of playing these games, I can do it without medication or the sea bands and I'm FINE. Other people I know, don't get over it at all and constantly have to take other steps, if they are playing FPS titles. So I guess I'm lucky that mine goes away with time. As long as I periodically play an FPS game, I can keep myself to where I won't feel ill. But if I stop for a few months and then go back, I have to go thru the sickness again. Is it known what causes this? I thought it might be something related to age or blood pressure (and maybe it is for some), but also perhaps the fact that most of us didn't play games on huge screens like our tv's until a couple of decades ago so this just SEEMS like a new thing?

Very curious what you know about this. I've wondered how I would react to VR because of this. I figured it's hopefully the same and I'll be able to handle without issues.

Man i do get that too, lately it became even worse, i do remember not getting it playing Battlefield 3+, but COD OMG makes me puke.
I will never try VR, Dizziness + Eye Strain, no thx.

 

[Reindeer]

If the rumours are to be believed, they changed their plans back in 2017. Surely that's enough time to upgrade

That can't be correct because then they wouldn't have been testing 9 tflop GPU middle of last year. The change must have happened very late.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

Alot of ppl think Sony has created a better and more efficient, seperate RT solution. It has been talked about for months. Remember this is the same Sony that created a seperate chip for different functions such as shareplay, streaming features and other things on the ps4. They stay thinking out the box.

Hardware engineers and software ppl at Sony are ridiculously smart and cream of the crop and of course Cerny is there so I wouldn't be surprised.

Not to mention that the software team and hardware engineers have much better communication with each other than the days of the PS3!

 

[Sinthor]

Man i do get that too, lately it became even worse, i do remember not getting it playing Battlefield 3+, but COD OMG makes me puke.
I will never try VR, Dizziness + Eye Strain, no thx.

Yeah, my problem is I don't play a whole ton of FPS games. More 3rd person games, etc. that don't give me this issue. Recent example was the newest COD. Took me about 3 days of taking dramamine and using the sea bands before I could play it without those things. Very weird and like I said, at least MINE goes away after a few days. I know a lot of other people who just simply can't play a game like COD without consistently using medication. So yeah, I've been leery of VR as well.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Not to mention that the software team and hardware engineers have much better communication with each other than the days of the PS3!

Being that Cerny has experience on both fronts he's the perfect person and is the one making sure all teams are on the same page (I assume) and there is this cohesiveness. Bringing him on was one of the best moves Sony ever did.

 

[sonomamashine]

After uncle Phil confirmed 12TF I guess he back for more.

Tommy Fisher is the only real contender for me (being an insider), the others not so much, they might have connexions (i've been told, i heard from)but Tommy Fisher is in (could be wrong tho).

 

[geordiemp]

That can't be correct because then they wouldn't have been testing 9 tflop GPU middle of last year. The change must have happened very late.

Big Navi was available when ?

Up until that point, console makers only had Navi 40CU to play with for BC and early kits.

It all makes logic.

 

[joe_zazen]

well when games today are making more money AFTER the consumer buys the game, than the actual initial $60 purchase, it becomes a good strategy to get the game in as many hands as possible.

We wont be looking at MS 1st party games in terms in sales but rather in user population. It seems more lucrative these days to have Sea of Thieves at the fingertips of 30 million people (made up figure for gamepass customers) @$1, $5, or $10 a month than it is to sell a million copies @$60 and only ever have that many people with access.

Halo 5, for example, made way more money from in-game purchases than it did from $60 sales. So Halo 6 being on gamepass only increases the amount of people that have access to its in-game market. Its a good move for everyone.

No doubt. People prefer games with infinite gameplay and low or no cost. Biggest ones in the world are Fate/Order, League, Fortnite, Minecraft, PokemonGo, etc. And even old tyme series have seen the writing:

• GTA—> GTAO
• fallout to fo76
• Elder Scrolls to ESO
• Diablo to Diablo iv (just wait, you’ll see)
• etc

even single player games like Assassin’s Creed need to be 300 hours with a bunch of IAPs to compete.

it makes sense. People dont like paying for games they may hate. And learning a new game isnt fun for 99% of people, so maximizing the gameplay to learning ratio by having hundreds or thousands of hours of gameplay makes sense. Or, as is the case now, having all big budget 30 hour games play almost exactly alike (big budget Sony games say Hi).

anyway, everyone knows that that is where the money is, and that is where the big investments are going. Well, with the partial exception of Nintendo and SIE. But even there, they know they are on borrowed time.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I think the one thing I know for sure is that Sony are very good with working with limited spec. If you put ND on an Xbox one S, they would make some stupidly good stuff. But also look at playground? Forza horizon 3 and 4 are among the best looking games this generation.

There really is no question that talent can work with any spec, but more power doesn’t instantly mean you can harness it either.

That said, Ms are moving in the right direction, so I’m looking forward to seeing what their new teams come up with. The Initiative sounds like it’s on fire, I just hope they have the goods to back up their hype.

 

[BGs]

BGs , I'm interested in this. I know a number of people, myself included that are all in their 30's or older, that experience dizziness and nausea when playing first-person titles. For myself, if I haven't played such a game for say 6 months and I go and try to, it makes me sick. I need to use anti-nausea pills (like you use when traveling) and "Sea Bands" that go on my wrists, for a while. After a few days though of playing these games, I can do it without medication or the sea bands and I'm FINE. Other people I know, don't get over it at all and constantly have to take other steps, if they are playing FPS titles. So I guess I'm lucky that mine goes away with time. As long as I periodically play an FPS game, I can keep myself to where I won't feel ill. But if I stop for a few months and then go back, I have to go thru the sickness again. Is it known what causes this? I thought it might be something related to age or blood pressure (and maybe it is for some), but also perhaps the fact that most of us didn't play games on huge screens like our tv's until a couple of decades ago so this just SEEMS like a new thing?

Very curious what you know about this. I've wondered how I would react to VR because of this. I figured it's hopefully the same and I'll be able to handle without issues.

It is not because of age. It is by habit.

Logically there are many other factors depending on the situation (the game, demo, simulation, etc ...), but one of the main dizziness as the one you comment on is the custom of your brain.

Think that if you were constantly wearing sunglasses with a warm filter at all hours for a certain amount of time (variable according to individual), you would notice it strange the day you took them off. Even if you wear VR glasses at all hours until you get dizzy, there may be a situation where you get dizzy in real life. Although as I say, it is a much more complex issue and deserves a more detailed analysis and explanation. What is more difficult for the brain (and therefore what causes more dizziness) is the sensation of virtual displacement and real stillness. I'll break it down when I have time to create the thread, I don't want to start detailing the topic now, leave it halfway.

Cheers

 

[Reindeer]

Being that Cerny has experience on both fronts he's the perfect person and is the one making sure all teams are on the same page (I assume) and there is this cohesiveness. Bringing him on was one of the best moves Sony ever did.

I remember when Cerny called PS4 "Super Charged PC", always find that funny. He's good with tech though.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It was a joke. Michael Pachter said next gen consoles could cost $1000 and that big Navi GPU alone is probably worth that much.

If that Big Navi is $1000 that's a day one buy, or even a preorder!

 

[sonomamashine]

Yeah, my problem is I don't play a whole ton of FPS games. More 3rd person games, etc. that don't give me this issue. Recent example was the newest COD. Took me about 3 days of taking dramamine and using the sea bands before I could play it without those things. Very weird and like I said, at least MINE goes away after a few days. I know a lot of other people who just simply can't play a game like COD without consistently using medication. So yeah, I've been leery of VR as well.

You should quit these games (cause dizziness), they are not worth your health.

 

[Elbereth]

If the rumours are to be believed, they changed their plans back in 2017. Surely that's enough time to upgrade

I'm sorry, but your avatar and handle are cracking me up this morning!!! LOL

 

[Reindeer]

Big Navi was available when ?

Up until that point, console makers only had Navi 40CU to play with for BC and early kits.

It all makes logic.

No. During same GitHub leaks Series X GPU showed up with the final specs it has now, so the tech was available. Sony must have changed very late on.

 

[Mr Moose]

The PS+ games aren't the news I wanted, but eh, I'll take it.
Is that Sonic game any good?

 

[HawarMiran]

Tomorrow is the day guys. My nuts are tingling. I can feel it. Call it the "DeezNuts-Sense"

 

[Fake]

Tommy Fisher is the only real contender for me (being an insider), the others not so much, they might have connexions (i've been told, i heard from)but Tommy Fisher is in (could be wrong tho).

I'm on team OsirisBlack , but even if I don't like others insiders Its important to not bully them.

 

[sonomamashine]

I'm on team OsirisBlack , but even if I don't like others insiders Its important to not bully them.

I do defend them

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

@OsirisBlack How shocked would you be if PS5 turns out to be 9.2 TF’s? Everyone knows it won't be lets stop the instigating 😂😂😂

www.neogaf.com

 

[joe_zazen]

Tribalism is really problematic and we haven't evolved to a point where we are no longer tribal.

even the anti-tribalists are tribal, lol.

you’ll need to be able to genetically alter brains to change that; and I have it on good authority the ruling elites will be keeping that tech—as well as anti aging tech—for themselves.

 

[splattered]

Tomorrow is the day guys. My nuts are tingling. I can feel it. Call it the "DeezNuts-Sense"

If nothing gets revealed you might wanna have those looked if they're tingling

 

[LED Guy?]

2sku ps5?
Sounds like vfx is covering his/her RT ass.
Sony: PS5 12.4tflops
Vfx: so they decided to release only the pro sku

Yup, that’s what I thought as well, oh man, that guy is full of it.

 

[Mr Moose]

San Francisco declares state of emergency over coronavirus

San Francisco Mayor London Breed (D) declared a state of emergency for the city on Tuesday amid concerns over the international coronavirus outbreak.While no coronavirus cases have been confirmed i…

thehill.com

From GDC to CDC.

San Francisco Mayor London Breed (D) declared a state of emergency for the city on Tuesday amid concerns over the international coronavirus outbreak.

Is that the guy who was talking shit when Facebook/Sony pulled out of GDC?

Edit: Wait, was that PAX?

 

[mejin]

I think the one thing I know for sure is that Sony are very good with working with limited spec. If you put ND on an Xbox one S, they would make some stupidly good stuff. But also look at playground? Forza horizon 3 and 4 are among the best looking games this generation.

There really is no question that talent can work with any spec, but more power doesn’t instantly mean you can harness it either.

That said, Ms are moving in the right direction, so I’m looking forward to seeing what their new teams come up with. The Initiative sounds like it’s on fire, I just hope they have the goods to back up their hype.

Racing is not a big problem for any developer nowadays. Driveclub and GTS are also beautiful for example.

MS really need a winner outside racing games and I feel they will get some this gen thanks to their new acquisitions, there's where the talent really is.

 

[Sinthor]

You should quit these games (cause dizziness), they are not worth your health.

Well, my issues go away after a couple days. It's no health hazard, anymore than it's hazardous for someone to get on a boat and feel a little sick for a few days. If it was persistent, I might need to make a change though. Wouldn't be worth it at all if it was always happening.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

I'm on team OsirisBlack , but even if I don't like others insiders Its important to not bully them.

Really you shouldn't bully anyone on here, regardless of being an insider, but it is crazy how everyone rakes them over the coals if something they say doesn't line up with what someone personally wants. I personally look at all the info that BGs OsirisBlack HeisenbergFX4 Tommy Fisher , etc. provide and try to guesstimate in my head what is really going to happen, I do feel they all know way more stuff than any of us normal people here know and the fact that none of them are banned should say something. I know Mod of War has seen stuff that none of us have (or ever will) so just play nice with each other and lets all over analyze this next gen together!

 

[mejin]

Of course another area is that people really do hear what they want to hear. They will repeat the good stuff and ignore the bad, for their console of choice.

What this ends up doing is people will keep spouting the same thing over and over, and people will read into that. I mean, if there’s a thread and a dozen people are saying the same thing, how does it look? As an outsider?

If you repeat a lie a hundred times, it doesn’t make it any more true. But people who can’t think for themselves will buy into it.

For example, all my ex girlfriends said my penis was only 17 inches, does that make it true? No. But my wife knows the truth. It’s actually only 16. WIDE.

That's MS PR.

 

[jackets with pockets]