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[Mista]

Give us all a break. Talking about recycling, rewriting, re-skin the same "game" for 20 years. Let´s us all play some : #BINGO!!!

Halo 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Halo Wars 2 "we love PC"
Gears 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Forza 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0, 1, 2
Horizon 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

Thats not how you play bingo.

 

[New Yorks Finest]

Mindblown, that is sick. One of the many seamless features on the SeX

“I had to reboot because I had a system update, and then I went back to the game and went right back to it,” reveals Hryb in the podcast. “So it survives a reboot.” That will be useful for any dashboard updates that would usually interrupt any progress in a game, and it sets the stage for encouraging player habits of simply switching off a console and not worrying about save points.

 

[splattered]

I have more system issues with my pro but more game crashes on my X1X.

My Pro is super loud and constantly says I didnt shut the system down properly even when I use the in game menus to sleep or power down. Downloading anything to my pro is excruciatingly slow but fairly fast on my X1X even though they're both the same distance from the router.

My X1X is quiet unless I'm playing Modern Warfare and maybe one or two other games. I've had Borderlands 3 and now Pillars of eternity 2 crash on me multiple times but I guess that's more of a software dev issue?

I havent had any UI or Storefront issues on either machine. No issues with trophies or achievements.

 

[deccangamer]

Its time for Xbox to get a leadership change (Phil can continue in the team) Why ? gaming industry is headed for a consolidation.

1. Steam's business model is built on the hardwork that microsoft has put in. Just like Apple benefits from app store sales. Microsoft will challenge steam. and xBox series x is powerful enough to lure pc gamers ?
2. Nintendos' business ? xCloud streaming on mobile will take away market share from handheld console business.
3. Sony comes to cloud gaming on azure and microsoft makes money off it.

With potential revenues of this magnitude IMO i do not think Phil can handle this. There needs to be a leadership change. and those people who will invest in xbox console will not be dissapointed, MS will dominate gaming.

 

[Sota4077]

Its time for Xbox to get a leadership change (Phil can continue in the team)

With potential revenues of this magnitude IMO i do not think Phil can handle this.

You logic is beyond idiotic. How on Earth do you presume to know what Phil Spencer, or anyone at Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo for that matter, are capable of handling?

 

[Mista]

Mindblown, that is sick. One of the many seamless features on the SeX

Yes, the ability to resume even after a reboot is brilliant.

 

[darkinstinct]

Yes, the ability to resume even after a reboot is brilliant.

I am more interested in faster reboot and update times in general. An Xbox updates takes around 15 minutes. A full reboot takes over one minute. A PS4 update takes around 5 minutes and a reboot 20 seconds. Not having to run Xbox in standby any more would do wonders for my electricity bill at 7 to 15 Watt. That's at least 18 € savings per year per console (I have two X, so 36 €).

 

[Mista]

I am more interested in faster reboot and update times in general. An Xbox updates takes around 15 minutes. A full reboot takes over one minute. A PS4 update takes around 5 minutes and a reboot 20 seconds. Not having to run Xbox in standby any more would do wonders for my electricity bill at 7 to 15 Watt. That's at least 18 € savings per year per console (I have two X, so 36 €).

Yeah true. Not PS4's game updates though

Update finishes in 2 minutes but copying for decades

 

[ResilientBanana]

Give us all a break. Talking about recycling, rewriting, re-skin the same "game" for 20 years. Let´s us all play some : #BINGO!!!

Halo 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Halo Wars 2 "we love PC"
Gears 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Forza 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0, 1, 2
Horizon 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

Are you not a fan of franchises? Do you only play Indie titles?

Its time for Xbox to get a leadership change (Phil can continue in the team) Why ? gaming industry is headed for a consolidation.

1. Steam's business model is built on the hardwork that microsoft has put in. Just like Apple benefits from app store sales. Microsoft will challenge steam. and xBox series x is powerful enough to lure pc gamers ?
2. Nintendos' business ? xCloud streaming on mobile will take away market share from handheld console business.
3. Sony comes to cloud gaming on azure and microsoft makes money off it.

With potential revenues of this magnitude IMO i do not think Phil can handle this. There needs to be a leadership change. and those people who will invest in xbox console will not be dissapointed, MS will dominate gaming.

Phil has only been on the leadership team since 2017, and was given a budget to right the Xbox ship. In that time, he's boosted the first party studios tenfold and has lined them up to produce a games for next-gen. Not only this, but under his leadership, Xbox Gamepass, Xbox Gamepass PC, Xbox Playanywhere, Crossplay with PS4, Switch, Mobile, and PC, Cross-gen games, Xbox Exclusives on PC, Xbox One X, Xbox Series X, all exist now. He's literally coached his team enough to line them up for an amazing 4th Generation.

 

[deccangamer]

You logic is beyond idiotic. How on Earth do you presume to know what Phil Spencer, or anyone at Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo for that matter, are capable of handling?

heard about Steve Balmer ? and Satyam Nadella ?

 

[darkinstinct]

Are you not a fan of franchises? Do you only play Indie titles?



Phil has only been on the leadership team since 2017, and was given a budget to right the Xbox ship. In that time, he's boosted the first party studios tenfold and has lined them up to produce a games for next-gen. Not only this, but under his leadership, Xbox Gamepass, Xbox Gamepass PC, Xbox Playanywhere, Crossplay with PS4, Switch, Mobile, and PC, Cross-gen games, Xbox Exclusives on PC, Xbox One X, Xbox Series X, all exist now. He's literally coached his team enough to line them up for an amazing 4th Generation.

First rule of console wars: Sequels are only ever bad if the other one is doing them. The ninth Zelda and the eighths Gran Turismo are the best games ever. The sixth Halo is milking the cow until it's dead.

 

[deccangamer]

Are you not a fan of franchises? Do you only play Indie titles?



Phil has only been on the leadership team since 2017, and was given a budget to right the Xbox ship. In that time, he's boosted the first party studios tenfold and has lined them up to produce a games for next-gen. Not only this, but under his leadership, Xbox Gamepass, Xbox Gamepass PC, Xbox Playanywhere, Crossplay with PS4, Switch, Mobile, and PC, Cross-gen games, Xbox Exclusives on PC, Xbox One X, Xbox Series X, all exist now. He's literally coached his team enough to line them up for an amazing 4th Generation.

Amazon diversified into Twitch. There are so many examples. IMO Phil is not the guy who will make xBox a behemoth. Microsoft prospered under Satyam Nadella and activist investors.

2018 Microsoft announced today that Phil Spencer has appointed a new boss of games to handle the role that the executive had previously handled as head of the company’s games business.

I had not read the above article.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Amazon diversified into Twitch. There are so many examples. IMO Phil is not the guy who will make xBox a behemoth. Microsoft prospered under Satyam Nadella and activist investors.

Management is only as good as the team they have under them. Phil alone won't win, but the team and studios he's bought and built will.

 

[policestationx]

That's a lot of games. And a lot diversity compared to reskinning Uncharted over and over again.

And there's even more:
Ori 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
MS Flight Simulator "we love PC" 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Wasteland 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Gears Tactics "we love PC" 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Age of Empires "we love PC" 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Killer Instinct 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Hellblade 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
State of Decay 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9

Wow, I could go on and on.

It's kind of ridiculous when many gamers slamming Nintendo for that.

3D Mario Game series
Mario 64
Mario Sunshine
Mario Galaxy
Mario Galaxy 2
Mario 3D Land
Mario 3D World
Mario Odyssey

Uncharted series
Uncharted
Uncharted 2
Uncharted 3
Uncharted Golden Abyss
Uncharted 4
Uncharted Lost Legacy

3D Mario series have 7 games across 5 generations while Uncharted series have 6 games in 2 generations.

 

[darkinstinct]

Amazon diversified into Twitch. There are so many examples. IMO Phil is not the guy who will make xBox a behemoth. Microsoft prospered under Satyam Nadella and activist investors.

That's some shortsighted and revisionist nonsense. Satya Nadella profits from the huge impact the cloud has. Guess who layed the foundation for that and invested heavily in creating it? Yeah, not Nadella, Steve Ballmer did. Nadella is just reaping the benefits of moves Ballmer made in 2008.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

That's some shortsighted and revisionist nonsense. Satya Nadella profits from the huge impact the cloud has. Guess who layed the foundation for that and invested heavily in creating it? Yeah, not Nadella, Steve Ballmer did. Nadella is just reaping the benefits of moves Ballmer made in 2008.

Do know that it was Nadella that was leading the cloud division before he became CEO. So it was Nadella that made the case for cloud towards Ballmer and the board.

 

[R6Rider]

3D Mario series have 7 games across 5 generations while Uncharted series have 6 games in 2 generations.

Why are you limiting Mario to only the 3D titles? If you are going to compare a complete series (Uncharted) to another one (Mario in this case), use the complete series of both.

Comparing the exclusives like that was already dumb, but your "Ha! Gottem!" reply isn't helping at all.

 

[policestationx]

Why are you limiting Mario to only the 3D titles? If you are going to compare a complete series (Uncharted) to another one (Mario in this case), use the complete series of both.

Comparing the exclusives like that was already dumb, but your "Ha! Gottem!" reply isn't helping at all.

Mainline 3D Mario series - 3rd person platformer.

Mainline Uncharted series - 3rd person action game.

Why would I include other Mario genres when comparing the 3D mainline vs Other 3D mainline?

The same reason of why I didn't include uncharted card game and mobile game in that comparison because it doesn't make any sense.

 

[Mod of War]

Move on from petty list wars, and get back on topic. Thank you.

 

[Burrito Bandito]

It's an in-game system where sound is pretty much physical and will bounce and echo around the game world in real time.

ok thats the first time ive ever heard it explained that way and it sounds awesome. especially in games like pubg where hearing the direction of sounds is crucial

 

[01011001]

ok thats the first time ive ever heard it explained that way and it sounds awesome. especially in games like pubg where hearing the direction of sounds is crucial

if PUBG had super realistic sound you would not be able to determine where gunfire comes from in many scenarios.
gunfire is so loud that it would loudly echo off of nearby walls and trees that it would make it way harder to reliably tell where it's from.

so games like PUBG would actually be possibly worse off using such a system.

realistic sound is something that is not desirable in most competitive games.
Overwatch for example uses highly unrealistic sounds that emphasize direction and wheather or not the sound comes from an enemy player or not.
many games do that, so realistically calculated sound via raytracing is only a good idea in games where sound is mostly atmospheric and not a crucial game mechanic.

 

[Ingeniero]

Microsoft stepping up their game big time.
Kudos to them.
Make it $399 and kill Sony once and for all, DO IT DO IT DO IT.

 

[darkinstinct]

Do know that it was Nadella that was leading the cloud division before he became CEO. So it was Nadella that made the case for cloud towards Ballmer and the board.

Oh absolutely. But then you would also have to give the current success to the teams, like Phil Spencer, Panoz, ... I think the CEO at the end of the day decides. So it's best to attribute any successes and failures to him and not to his underlings.

 

[Mista]

Microsoft stepping up their game big time.
Kudos to them.
Make it $399 and kill Sony once and for all, DO IT DO IT DO IT.

Not possible at all

 

[R6Rider]

Microsoft stepping up their game big time.
Kudos to them.
Make it $399 and kill Sony once and for all, DO IT DO IT DO IT.

Why would you want less competition?

Do you like bending over for corporations?

 

[yugoluke]

This is good.

Microsoft seems to be focused and lean. They are doing the right things.

No gimmick seems to be present and taking attention away from the core things they want to focus on.

Given what they have said regarding exclusive games, it would appear that their strategy is to be the best place to play 3rd party games (initially). Similar to the 360 strategy (not bad given the success they had with that console).

They are also setting up policies and goals that will hopefully spur the industry in a more consumer friendly direction.

- Buy a game once and play across the entire ecosystem of devices without ever having to repurchase (plus game will look best per the capabilities of the device)
- Pushing cross play compatibility. Play with your friends where ever they are.
- Great value of game pass. (Not only putting 1st party games after a decent lag of time)

I genuinely think these are good things for the industry as a whole. And while we all understand the 1st party strategy they are pursuing will mean no new 1st party title on the launch year, we can still say that the things I listed are good. Their consumer first strategy should be applauded regardless of what platform camp you find yourself in.

 

[CyberPanda]

This is good.

Microsoft seems to be focused and lean. They are doing the right things.

No gimmick seems to be present and taking attention away from the core things they want to focus on.

Given what they have said regarding exclusive games, it would appear that their strategy is to be the best place to play 3rd party games (initially). Similar to the 360 strategy (not bad given the success they had with that console).

They are also setting up policies and goals that will hopefully spur the industry in a more consumer friendly direction.

- Buy a game once and play across the entire ecosystem of devices without ever having to repurchase (plus game will look best per the capabilities of the device)
- Pushing cross play compatibility. Play with your friends where ever they are.
- Great value of game pass. (Not only putting 1st party games after a decent lag of time)

I genuinely think these are good things for the industry as a whole. And while we all understand the 1st party strategy they are pursuing will mean no new 1st party title on the launch year, we can still say that the things I listed are good. Their consumer first strategy should be applauded regardless of what platform camp you find yourself in.

Well said

 

[Ingeniero]

Why would you want less competition?
Do you like bending over for corporations?

I don't want less competition, I want it to be more fierce and even that's all.
But I kind of want Microsoft to get a win in the end, after struggling and failing so bad in previous generations.

Also, yeah I have embraced capitalism and big corps, its the reality.

 

[YodaBB]

Hopefully $599 so we get to see all those PS3 memes again.

 

[Jigsaah]

i think sony will put out 12.1 tf console. no way sony loses a power war to a software company.

I am only responding to you because of the Foot Clan avatar. You are my hero of the day.

 

[psorcerer]

Those are all old architectures. If we have to believe its 12 tflops of rnda2 that thing would be far faster then only 8 times the original xbox one or one S.

No.
Only idiots think that somehow TF numbers are not equal between archtectures.
They are the same.
1 NV TF = 1 GCN TF = 1 RDNA TF
They measure theoretical max performance.
What idiots usually do: they benchmark games on PC and then say: if game A runs worse on a same TF GPU somehow it means that these TF are devalued.
In reality it only means that the game does not extract max performance from that GPU.

 

[CyberPanda]

I’m gonna guess it’s gonna be 499 tops

 

[StreetsofBeige]

No.
Only idiots think that somehow TF numbers are not equal between archtectures.
They are the same.
1 NV TF = 1 GCN TF = 1 RDNA TF
They measure theoretical max performance.
What idiots usually do: they benchmark games on PC and then say: if game A runs worse on a same TF GPU somehow it means that these TF are devalued.
In reality it only means that the game does not extract max performance from that GPU.

Well, I don’t know anything about GCN vs RDNA, but just about every game board and poster has a ballpark consensus that an RDNA tf is better than a GCN tf by roughly 25%(?)

 

[psorcerer]

Well, I don’t know anything about GCN vs RDNA, but just about every game board and poster has a ballpark consensus that an RDNA tf is better than a GCN tf by roughly 25%(?)

Dunno. I don't read what idiots think.
RDNA has q better IPC. That has nothing to do with the TF number.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Dunno. I don't read what idiots think.
RDNA has q better IPC. That has nothing to do with the TF number.

Fair point. As I said I know nothing but just go with what consensus says

Don’t be surprised if you see posts where someone says 10 tf RDNA is equivalent to 12-13 GCN.

 

[psorcerer]

Fair point. As I said I know nothing but just go with what consensus says

Don’t be surprised if you see posts where someone says 10 tf RDNA is equivalent to 12-13 GCN.

I know. See it every day...

 

[CyberPanda]

Well, I don’t know anything about GCN vs RDNA, but just about every game board and poster has a ballpark consensus that an RDNA tf is better than a GCN tf by roughly 25%(?)

1.2-1.5x better than GCN. Nvidia is still ahead with their architecture and ampere should pull further ahead

 

[Justin9mm]

heard about Steve Balmer ? and Satyam Nadella ?

For some reason I read Saddam Nutella lol

 

[nikolino840]

Microsoft stepping up their game big time.
Kudos to them.
Make it $399 and kill Sony once and for all, DO IT DO IT DO IT.

And the casual guy thinks "less price=less Power=the graphic sucks"

 

[rashbeep]

i think sony will put out 12.1 tf console. no way sony loses a power war to a software company.

Who knows but out of the more recent machines, the MS one is the superior build. They've done a good job with hardware released in general tbh

 

[tflopsmatter]

I'm really glad that MS confirmed the TFLOP figure for their console. I think it's stupid this far along for anyone not to publish the specifications. If it changes, then it can just be a surprise. I think Sony hasn't posted theirs yet because they are enjoying everyone suggesting that they are only going to have a 9.2 TFLOP GPU and then they will surprise us.

 

[CyberPanda]

And the casual guy thinks "less price=less Power=the graphic sucks"

That’s exactly the opposite of what happened with ps4.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Dunno if this's been posted yet. Interestingly they confirm the '3D Audio' MS mentioned is in fact ray-traced audio, so basically same thing PS5 is using on that front. They also suggest the SSD might be faster than some are thinking because the reports of XSX having the slower SSD drive might've came from older devkits.

I can believe it; the SSDs for both may be custom (they also confirm that XSX's SSD is custom in the vid), but it'd be much easier to upgrade this late in the dev cycle than redesigning chunks of the APU or even throwing in more RAM. PS5-wise they mention about the controller patent and I actually like the idea about the barometer (I think that's what was mentioned) able to sense things like hand sweat and heart rate. Could be used as a nice immersion gimmick in games and I'd hope MS's next-gen standard controller has some similar innovations to it.

 

[01011001]

Microsoft makes their own SSDs right? I think I read somewhere that they make their own and use them in their Surface lineup.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I start to wonder if it's actually 12 tflops of rnda 2. I got the feeling its not. I got the feeling its 12 old tflops but on a rdna 2 architecture which means the tflops are probably lower.

Just read there website:

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/02/24/what-you-can-expect-next-generation-gaming/



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_One

Xbox one = 1.3 tflops that's 10,4 tflops
Xbox one s = 1,4 tflops that's 11.2 tflops
Xbox one x = 6 tflops that's 12 tflops.

Those are all old architectures. If we have to believe its 12 tflops of rnda2 that thing would be far faster then only 8 times the original xbox one or one S.

Interesting, but at the same time, MS have been prominently mentioning 12 exactly, as a hard number. I think they're just using it in the context of Moore's Law because it's easier for the average person to understand, vs. explaining it on an architectural basis. If in fact it isn't 12 TFLOPs, then that actually bode worst for PS5 going with what we know.

Right now I'm optimistic on both, but realistically (or trying, anyway). So I'm taking MS at their word it's 12TF RDNA2 (minus maybe a few RDNA2 features that make little sense in a games console), and PS5 might be between 10.4TF - 11TF RDNA2 depending on what benchmarks surface in the next two months. Worst-case scenario for PS5 is sub-9.2TF (if the high clocks end up being too much a problem).

Microsoft makes their own SSDs right? I think I read somewhere that they make their own and use them in their Surface lineup.

Yes I think you're correct. The SSD for Surface was one of the main selling points they showed off IIRC. No reason they aren't doing something similar with XSX.

 

[CyberPanda]

Dunno if this's been posted yet. Interestingly they confirm the '3D Audio' MS mentioned is in fact ray-traced audio, so basically same thing PS5 is using on that front. They also suggest the SSD might be faster than some are thinking because the reports of XSX having the slower SSD drive might've came from older devkits.

I can believe it; the SSDs for both may be custom (they also confirm that XSX's SSD is custom in the vid), but it'd be much easier to upgrade this late in the dev cycle than redesigning chunks of the APU or even throwing in more RAM. PS5-wise they mention about the controller patent and I actually like the idea about the barometer (I think that's what was mentioned) able to sense things like hand sweat and heart rate. Could be used as a nice immersion gimmick in games and I'd hope MS's next-gen standard controller has some similar innovations to it.

Thanks for posting this.

 

[Joey.]

$399 would be so, so nice but I just can't see it guys.
With those specs, even $499 sounds too good to be true.

If it is $499, it doesn't sting that much because I believe I read that Xbox One controllers will work on the Series X? If you're like me, usually I always want at least two controllers so that's like a $60 - $80 savings right there, and Game Pass alone is so much value.

 

[replicant-]

I wonder/hope the Elite 2 is compatible with the new lower latency wireless mode. It is a great controller.

 

[CyberPanda]

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Joey. Personally guessing $499. Same price bracket as the X, which resonated pretty well for its specs at that price (and for a mid-gen refresh, at that).

If the BOM is like $525 or lower, I think MS would be okay with taking a slight loss on systems sold. At most, maybe they'll sell it for $550. Either way, I hope there's something with Gamepass thrown in there, or maybe a free month or two of XBL and a free digital download.

CyberPanda No prob; I'm a big fan of their channel. Some others too like Digital Foundry, NX Gamer, AdoredTV, Coreleks, Moore's Law Is Dead etc.