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[Neo Blaster]

I don’t consider us as insiders I think if anyone in here was a real insider we would have known a lot more by now Me personally I’m lucky to know someone that works on the PR side of things for Sony and even she don’t know much sometimes she hears rumors I think Sony is keeping shit tight last thing I heard from her was the Xbox series X reveal trailer at the gaming awards how she got that info I don’t know just know one thing Sony and Microsoft got insiders on each other I’m betting on both consoles are really close on performance and features one thing I was told Sony really gonna try to make us focus on the DualShock 5 features more than the console that’s something they gonna be pushing hard as to set them selfs apart from the rest..

Man, have you ever heard about punctuation marks? It's quite hard to read your text.

 

[SgtCaffran]

The insiders all seem to be basing their information on dev kits, not actual home retail units. That's one of the problems I have with insider "leaks"

Less CU is cheaper if you cool it right. Die size is largest cost factor, less CU = smaller chip = cheaper APU + added cost for cooling.

Not if you're then running it without any disabled cores and/or at very high speeds.... Then a low CU count die becomes expensive.

 

[MilkyJoe]

None of that (flops/ram) is confirmed but it's possible that sony is saving in the SSD, or ram, cooling is cheaper... Xbox Ones BOM was 10$ higher than PS4s even though PS4 was more powerful. Who knows?

If PS5 is really 13 tflops, I think the savings would be in ram and/or SSD, but there is too much we don't know yet.

Wasn't it due to the kinect being in the box?

 

[R600]

He didn't exactly say 10 - 15% difference between them, he specified that the difference between PS5 & XSX is like the difference between Xbox One fat (1.3 TF) and Xbox One S (1.4 TF), so that's like 7% difference between XB1 & XB1S.

Applying the difference to PS5 VS XSX, we get 12 TFs (XSX) VS 12.9 TFs (PS5).

Remember, he said that these are dev kits and final numbers might not end up EXACTLY like that for PS5, maybe a bit higher or a bit lower than 12.9 TFs, now we got XSX confirmed to be 12 TFs which is like what he said, now let's wait for PS5.

Klee bingoed 64CUs and 1475MH post, which is obviously not true, but I can see people here not wanting to talk about all the damn misses these insiders had and concentrate on things that are yet to be confirmed.

Think like this, is MS really stupid enough to literally post TF definition on their official twitter, knowing full well Sony can announce specs and system the very same day and make them look like absolute idiots?



I think if they knew they had less TF, they would not put it front and center of their PR message. Nor would they post SOC pictures right before Sonys CES press conference and go on about "power power" everytime they talk about XSX. Because, if power is their best selling point, what happens if Sony has more power?

 

[JonTheGod]

.............

 

[ethomaz]

This same leak say: PS5 8TF.

If people wants to give GitHub credibility 8TF is more reliable than 9TFs.

 

[LED Guy?]

Klee bingoed 64CUs and 1475MH post, which is obviously not true, but I can see people here not wanting to talk about all the damn misses these insiders had and concentrate on things that are yet to be confirmed.

Think like this, is MS really stupid enough to literally post TF definition on their official twitter, knowing full well Sony can announce specs and system the very same day and make them look like absolute idiots?



I think if they knew they had less TF, they would not put it front and center of their PR message. Nor would they post SOC pictures right before Sonys CES press conference and go on about "power power" everytime they talk about XSX. Because, if power is their best selling point, what happens if Sony has more power?

Nope, here you are again LYING and making up stuff, he BINGO'd on the TFLOPS number, not the amount of CUs and clock speeds, he reiterated it for people to understand what he meant by that.

Stop lying, man, stop it.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Why don't we rename this as the insiders thread?

 

[darkinstinct]

Klee bingoed 64CUs and 1475MH post, which is obviously not true, but I can see people here not wanting to talk about all the damn misses these insiders had and concentrate on things that are yet to be confirmed.

Think like this, is MS really stupid enough to literally post TF definition on their official twitter, knowing full well Sony can announce specs and system the very same day and make them look like absolute idiots?



I think if they knew they had less TF, they would not put it front and center of their PR message. Nor would they post SOC pictures right before Sonys CES press conference and go on about "power power" everytime they talk about XSX. Because, if power is their best selling point, what happens if Sony has more power?

For that bingo post Klee said the next day he was just bingoing that the math was right to get there, not that it was the actual setup.

And you are correct, you only talk about TF if you know you have a lead that can't be overcome anymore because it's too late. It could even be that RDNA2 was from the start built for Microsoft like RDNA was rumored to be exclusive to Sony. In that case, they just know they have Sony beat.

 

[Fatal Enigma]

Klee bingoed 64CUs and 1475MH post, which is obviously not true, but I can see people here not wanting to talk about all the damn misses these insiders had and concentrate on things that are yet to be confirmed.

Think like this, is MS really stupid enough to literally post TF definition on their official twitter, knowing full well Sony can announce specs and system the very same day and make them look like absolute idiots?



I think if they knew they had less TF, they would not put it front and center of their PR message. Nor would they post SOC pictures right before Sonys CES press conference and go on about "power power" everytime they talk about XSX. Because, if power is their best selling point, what happens if Sony has more power?

Non of this matters when a belief is 13, 13.3, 13.8 or 14 induced by "insiders"

 

[Neo Blaster]

Check back March 3rd

Where is that date coming from?

 

[R600]

Nope, all insiders and journalists were wrong about Lockhart being cancelled, Tom Warren, Digital Foundry, Windows Central, Jez Corden, Jason Schreier, all of them were wrong and that's due to Microsoft's rapid planning changes in real-time, they paused it, resumed it, paused it etc etc..... Stop lying and spreading misinformation.

About the PS5 February reveal, he did say that it may not be in February 2020, but then again, EVEN if he made a mistake, it doesn't render every other thing he said as wrong, because until now, everything he said is turning out to be correct, both consoles are more powerful than AMD's 2019 graphics cards and more feature-packed than RX 5700 XT, well that's now confirmed for XSX, we'll just wait for PS5.

Like I said again, you're lying and making up things.

Nope, see, jurnos like Tom Warren and Brad are the ones that :

1) broke Lockhart story
2) were first to report it cancellation
3) first to report of it NOT actually being cancelled

All others, bar Jason (who was not into enitere story at all), just rode their coattails.

"Yea...yea...From what I know Lockhart is cancelled. It doesnt exist" (said AFTER Lockhart existance story was broken, AFTER it was said to be cancelled AND just days before it was said to "reemerge").

What likely happen, as per Github leak, Sparkman (lockhart) always existed and nothing was cancelled. Tom and Brad, with solid MS sources, got dealt with fake inside story about cancellation and everyone ran with it.

Klee hasnt broken anything, and he was factually wrong on Lockhart and February PS meeting, so I am 100% not lying. You are kidding yourself if you are believing every word insiders say like gospel. Best source from last gen were not gaming sites or "insiders", it was guy from Neogaf who lived with junior AMD engineer in Toronto working on ng systems. He leaked most accurate data without ever getting into petty riddles, self bans and 24/7 postings.

 

[darkinstinct]

Nope, here you are again LYING and making up stuff, he BINGO'd on the TFLOPS number, not the amount of CUs and clock speeds, he reiterated it for people to understand what he meant by that.

Stop lying, man, stop it.

BS, somebody said that X CU @ Y Ghz = 12 TF and he said bingo to that, then said the next day that he just meant the math was correct.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Remember what Klee said

Nothing has changed, PS5 leads

10-15% difference

That’s around 13TF

He never said 10-15%. He said XB1 - XB1s difference which is about 7%.

 

[LED Guy?]

BS, somebody said that X CU @ Y Ghz = 12 TF and he said bingo to that, then said the next day that he just meant the math was correct.

You're the one bullshitting, he said about the TFLOPS number, my God you guys just want him to be wrong because you want your precious XSX to be more powerful which is really silly.

 

[hemo memo]

Why don't we rename this as the insiders thread?

All insiders thread. Normal members also welcome.

 

[R600]

Nope, here you are again LYING and making up stuff, he BINGO'd on the TFLOPS number, not the amount of CUs and clock speeds, he reiterated it for people to understand what he meant by that.

Stop lying, man, stop it.

Yea, he reitarated it AFTER a day of people going "OMG Klee confirmed 64CU part" and many of them going..."Wait a minute, 64CU part does not fit Navi at all. Nor does 1475MHz which is well below clock sweet spot".

After that he said "I only confirmed 12TF" but its absolute BS excuse. Know why? Because WC already leaked 12TF days before, MS already confirmed 2x XBX at TGA AND he had self brag post about XSX being 12TF RDNA and "where are all these MS insiders to confirm this".

Well, they confirmed it days before you did bellend?

He "confirmed" 12TF many times before "bingo" post, so why post bingo on someone bringing early 2019 rumor saying 64CU on 1475MHz = 12TF? Because hmqgg "confirmed" it earlier that day so he probably thought it must be true. Funny thing because hmqgg is also full of shit so its no wonder things ended up the way they did...

 

[LED Guy?]

Nope, see, jurnos like Tom Warren and Brad are the ones that :

1) broke Lockhart story
2) were first to report it cancellation
3) first to report of it NOT actually being cancelled

All others, bar Jason (who was not into enitere story at all), just rode their coattails.

"Yea...yea...From what I know Lockhart is cancelled. It doesnt exist" (said AFTER Lockhart existance story was broken, AFTER it was said to be cancelled AND just days before it was said to "reemerge").

What likely happen, as per Github leak, Sparkman (lockhart) always existed and nothing was cancelled. Tom and Brad, with solid MS sources, got dealt with fake inside story about cancellation and everyone ran with it.

Klee hasnt broken anything, and he was factually wrong on Lockhart and February PS meeting, so I am 100% not lying. You are kidding yourself if you are believing every word insiders say like gospel. Best source from last gen were not gaming sites or "insiders", it was guy from Neogaf who lived with junior AMD engineer in Toronto working on ng systems. He leaked most accurate data without ever getting into petty riddles, self bans and 24/7 postings.

They didn't break the story, but they REPORTED about it being cancelled, if it really wasn't cancelled then why are those guys like Tom Warren didn't say that it wasn't cancelled.

Even DF said that it got cancelled, stop it man. And I assume that Klee can't get all the info every minute about everything.

Klee broken a LOT of things, whether you like it or not, he did broke a lot of things, both consoles being double digits, more powerful than RX 5700 XT, both are in RDNA, both have more features like HW RT and VRS.......do you want me continue?

 

[R600]

BS, somebody said that X CU @ Y Ghz = 12 TF and he said bingo to that, then said the next day that he just meant the math was correct.

What a smart cookie that guy is. Talk about 12TF for days (after WC leaked it a week before TGA) and bingo 64CU*1475MHz as "math works out" when everyone figures out it makes 0 sense on Navi.

 

[pasterpl]

Non of this matters when a belief is 13, 13.3, 13.8 or 14 induced by "insiders"

i think Sony Will go all in at 24 TFlops

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

WTF!?!?

I left for some time and when I comeback this is getting worst than corona virus... all this people (the usual suspects) spreading trough this thread hammering to people that they are crazy to expect PS5 to be 12 or above TF. Wtf!?!

Fuck off with this 9.2 TF bullshit... bunch of armchair engineers don’t you see that you’re the ones being delusional? Go on circle jerk each other with that nonsense but let others have fun enjoying constructive speculation..

Thank god I think next week will be the week... and all this stupid github narrative can be put to rest just for some other one to come and take is place... love next gen craziness

Disclaimer: love you all... even the 9.2 TF evangelists without you this would not have half the fun...

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Man i cant wait to laugh at whichever side is wrong

 

[LED Guy?]

Yea, he reitarated it AFTER a day of people going "OMG Klee confirmed 64CU part" and many of them going..."Wait a minute, 64CU part does not fit Navi at all. Nor does 1475MHz which is well below clock sweet spot".

After that he said "I only confirmed 12TF" but its absolute BS excuse. Know why? Because WC already leaked 12TF days before, MS already confirmed 2x XBX at TGA AND he had self brag post about XSX being 12TF RDNA and "where are all these MS insiders to confirm this".

Well, they confirmed it days before you did bellend?

He "confirmed" 12TF many times before "bingo" post, so why post bingo on someone bringing early 2019 rumor saying 64CU on 1475MHz = 12TF? Because hmqgg "confirmed" it earlier that day so he probably thought it must be true. Funny thing because hmqgg is also full of shit so its no wonder things ended up the way they did...

Well he can't respond to every comment 24/7, stop splitting hairs, he did confirm both double digits, look, you can't escape and deny what he said, he was the 1st one who said they are double digits and he CONFIRMED that XSX is in RDNA after Phil Spencer said that it is 2 times XB1X and everyone was doubting it being 12 TF RDNA, everyone were basing their conclusions on XSX being either 12 TF GCN or 9 - 10 TF RDNA.

Stop it man.

 

[Fatal Enigma]

i think Sony Will go all in at 24 TFlops

and 48GB ram too

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

All insiders thread. Normal members also welcome.

Insiders are just old gods having fun watching blind fellas fighting.

 

[WhispersintheWind]

Today On Unsolved Mysteries!

We Investigate When The Sony Reveal Event Will Be!

We also Investigate PSV TeraFlop Count.

We will also investigate the rise of the Soony Epidemic!

 

[Gudji]

He never said 10-15%. He said XB1 - XB1s difference which is about 7%.

Yeah he gave that example.

 

[R600]

They didn't broke the story, but they REPORTED about it being cancelled, if it really wasn't cancelled then why are those guys like Tom Warren didn't say that it wasn't cancelled.

Even DF said that it got cancelled, stop it man. And I assume that Klee can't get all the info every minute about everything.

Klee broken a LOT of things, whether you like it or not, he did broke a lot of things, both consoles being double digits, more powerful than RX 5700 XT, both are in RDNA, both have more features like HW RT and VRS.......do you want me continue?

Brad broke story of Lockhart because he was FIRST to report name and info about it being "low powered ng console". He was also the first to say it was cancelled and, funnily, first to say it was back on again.

All others, like Klee, Matt (and yes,DF) rode his coattails and reported it after he said it on all 3 occasions.

Lol he broke nothing.

1. January 2019 Anaconda - 12TF RDNA
2. Jason April "shooting above 10.7TF" number
3. VRS/RT were features was known before summer, as dataminners digged out bunch of commits related to it in AMDs drivers + MS "semi confirmed" it at GDC

So, again, NO breaking stories. Breaking story means being first to report stuff such as :

"HZD is coming to PC"

"Lockhart is 2nd MS console for next gen. Its low powered one and will be released at same time with very high end one"

"BOM for PS5 is higher then expected and Sony doesnt know yet how to price it" (we will see if this one is true)

Saying things that have already been said, being wrong about some of them (Lockhart and February meeting), means you cannot be trusted. Especially after he self banned himself never to get back.

But yea, his dev friend brought him USB with next gen game no one else has seen and he gave him info that he could NEVER possibly know (seriously, how could he know Sonys plans and what was the reason for delay? )

 

[darkinstinct]

What a smart cookie that guy is. Talk about 12TF for days (after WC leaked it a week before TGA) and bingo 64CU*1475MHz as "math works out" when everyone figures out it makes 0 sense on Navi.

And with that supercooled devkit design, no less. A 1.475GHz GPU. And Klee left after the AMD leak. Probably knew that his 12 TF BS would be called out.

 

[StrongGuy]

How are you guys preparing for next gen?
I stocked up on loads of free $5 amazon gift cards to splurge out once slim models release. ALready have a $200 amazon balance.
No one should be paying their hard-earned money for gaming.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Question: Do these insider leaks predate January 15, 2019 for 12/4TF XSX/XSS, and April 30, 2019 for "almost 13TF" PS5 dev kit?

 

[LED Guy?]

Brad broke story of Lockhart because he was FIRST to report name and info about it being "low powered ng console". He was also the first to say it was cancelled and, funnily, first to say it was back on again.

All others, like Klee, Matt (and yes,DF) rode his coattails and reported it after he said it on all 3 occasions.

Lol he broke nothing.

1. January 2019 Anaconda - 12TF RDNA
2. Jason April "shooting above 10.7TF" number
3. VRS/RT were features was known before summer, as dataminners digged out bunch of commits related to it in AMDs drivers + MS "semi confirmed" it at GDC

So, again, NO breaking stories. Breaking story means being first to report stuff such as :

"HZD is coming to PC"

"Lockhart is 2nd MS console for next gen. Its low powered one and will be released at same time with very high end one"

"BOM for PS5 is higher then expected and Sony doesnt know yet how to price it" (we will see if this one is true)

Saying things that have already been said, being wrong about some of them (Lockhart and February meeting), means you cannot be trusted. Especially after he self banned himself never to get back.

But yea, his dev friend brought him USB with next gen game no one else has seen and he gave him info that he could NEVER possibly know (seriously, how could he know Sonys plans and what was the reason for delay? )

You're not getting it.....when Jason said they're targeting 10.7 TF everyone thought it is GCN TFlops as RDNA TFlops didn't even exist at that time, Klee did CONFIRM they are in RDNA AND both being double digits. Stop it man.

And Lockhart DID get cancelled or postponed at a particular time, all of them can't get all the info they can get as fast as Brad Sams or Windows Central as they are not directly connected with Microsoft.

 

[Nickolaidas]

How are you guys preparing for next gen?
I stocked up on loads of free $5 amazon gift cards to splurge out once slim models release. ALready have a $200 amazon balance.
No one should be paying their hard-earned money for gaming.

Depending on launch games and features, I'll either buy a PS5 the second it arrives in my country, or in Christmas 2020.

 

[StrongGuy]

Depending on launch games and features, I'll either buy a PS5 the second it arrives in my country, or in Christmas 2020.

Will you be using money from you earned from your job to pay for it?

 

[xool]

Hmmm... what if PlayStation 5 used RDNA 1 or 1.5 to make it 13 TFLOPS? Would it be better or equal to XsX 12 TFLOPS RDNA 2 ?

We don't know much about RDNA2 yet (except a clickbait article which claims 50% better which I recommend everyone ignore) .. the chances are RDNA2 is just RDNA with raytracing support and a few instruction tweeks. It'll also be on a slightly better node for +10-15% clocks.

 

[R600]

Well he can't respond to every comment 24/7, stop splitting hairs, he did confirm both double digits, look, you can't escape and deny what he said, he was the 1st one who said they are double digits and he CONFIRMED that XSX is in RDNA after Phil Spencer said that it is 2 times XB1X and everyone was doubting it being 12 TF RDNA, everyone were basing their conclusions on XSX being either 12 TF GCN or 9 - 10 TF RDNA.

Stop it man.

He didnt because Jason already said "shooting above 12TF", Benji already tweeted "near 13TF dev kit" and there was already report in early January 2019 that XSX is shooting for 12TF of RDNA. So he hasnt broken shit, and thats whats important.

If I say "Yea I can confirm there are V style dev kits for PS5 in dev hands" after it was already reported and pictures went out, it doesnt make me insider or the guy with legit info.

 

[DiddyInAHellcat]

How are you guys preparing for next gen?
I stocked up on loads of free $5 amazon gift cards to splurge out once slim models release. ALready have a $200 amazon balance.
No one should be paying their hard-earned money for gaming.

I traded in my Nintendo switch , Xbox one X and PS4 pro to game stop and got nearly $800 on a trade credit card. Plan was to buy a PS5 with a extra controller and a couple games. But once Microsoft announced 12 TF I'm considering getting both Xbox series X and PS5 if Sony is on 9 TF

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

Klee bingoed 64CUs and 1475MH post, which is obviously not true, but I can see people here not wanting to talk about all the damn misses these insiders had and concentrate on things that are yet to be confirmed.

Think like this, is MS really stupid enough to literally post TF definition on their official twitter, knowing full well Sony can announce specs and system the very same day and make them look like absolute idiots?



I think if they knew they had less TF, they would not put it front and center of their PR message. Nor would they post SOC pictures right before Sonys CES press conference and go on about "power power" everytime they talk about XSX. Because, if power is their best selling point, what happens if Sony has more power?

Why they would look absolute idiots? You think they give a shit about what some crazy people say in a forum? 12 TF is nothing for them to feel ashamed of... is a great achievement by any angle and they should be proud of regardless PS5 comes at 12.5 or even 13 TF.. Phil said they will not be out of place in price or power and no matter the outcome with a 12TF console they for sure won’t be out of place even if PS5 is a little bit higher...

This fun boy mentality kills me...

 

[R600]

Question: Do these insider leaks predate January 15, 2019 for 12/4TF XSX/XSS, and April 30, 2019 for "almost 13TF" PS5 dev kit?

Not one of them.

In fact, January 2019 leak is most spot on leak because it was first and numbers (for XSX and Lockhart) matched 100%. He mentioned PS5 is 8+ TF but we have no confirmation of that.

 

[tflopsmatter]

Klee bingoed 64CUs and 1475MH post, which is obviously not true, but I can see people here not wanting to talk about all the damn misses these insiders had and concentrate on things that are yet to be confirmed.

Think like this, is MS really stupid enough to literally post TF definition on their official twitter, knowing full well Sony can announce specs and system the very same day and make them look like absolute idiots?



I think if they knew they had less TF, they would not put it front and center of their PR message. Nor would they post SOC pictures right before Sonys CES press conference and go on about "power power" everytime they talk about XSX. Because, if power is their best selling point, what happens if Sony has more power?

Sony wouldn't launch the PS5 if it didn't at least have at least 12 to 13TF. MS is pushing their 12TF because for right now Sony isn't talking and they can make their XBots believe that their system is superior and push the false idea on the internet that the PS5 is a gimped console.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

I have a new theory (feel free to make a YouTube video of it saying it's a leak). Sony saw the series X and heard of the 12tf so Cerny taped a PS4 pro onto the 8tf PS5 and ripped out the HDD to give it dat double digit TF goodness

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Sony wouldn't launch the PS5 if it didn't at least have at least 12 to 13TF. MS is pushing their 12TF because for right now Sony isn't talking and they can make their XBots believe that their system is superior and push the false idea on the internet that the PS5 is a gimped console.

Yeah MS spouting 12tf isn't any indication of their relative power to me. It's the most powerful system ever detailed so of course they'll brag. And its still a huge leap even if Sony equals it. Why not hype up your product?

 

[Farrell55]

Nope.
It even use a plug rated as > 250W.

Of course it depends of the game but a lot of them crossed the 200W power consumption.

Ps3 phat peak power consumption is 215-210 Watt

 

[R600]

Why they would look absolute idiots? You think they give a shit about what some crazy people say in a forum? 12 TF is nothing for them to feel ashamed of... is a great achievement by any angle and they should be proud of regardless PS5 comes at 12.5 or even 13 TF.. Phil said they will not be out of place in price or power and no matter the outcome with a 12TF console they for sure won’t be out of place even if PS5 is a little bit higher...

This fun boy mentality kills me...

They would look like idiots. Its like BMW releasing new car and touting how good around Ring it is, just for Merc to show their one that is even faster. Its game over at that point, competition has you beaten on feature you talked about most. If you havent, no body would give as much shit (see Sony).

 

[JMB88]

Some people here say" Tommy Fisher, Osirisblack, Jason schreier, Kleegamefan, Matt & many others" are lying don't believe them BUT believe me. Why do I believe you?? Because I push the narrative of PS5 being 9.2tf, why do I need believe your narrative?? Because I'm netrual (despite preaching about 9.2tf 24/7)

Those people who play the card of "I'm going to buy the PS5 despite it's low in power" I mean if you wanna buy the PS5 why are you preaching 24/7 & praying for PS5 to be 9.2tf? Since you wanna buy it you should wish it to be as powerful as the Series X or very close to it. This card is already got burnt stop fooling yourself. Bruh.

In the end people won't stop this BS until Sony comes out & destroy their foreheads & I can't wait for that time to come.

Those who push the narrative of 9.2 are mostly fans of XBOX, nobody who is a PS user wants a difference of 3 TF.

We know that Sony changed the plans in 2018 of the PS5, so it's likely that 9.2 was the original plan for 2019, but since then it has changed and the number is a bit higher.

But none of the extremes seems approximate, neither 9.2 nor 13.8.

If the XSX BOM is larger than the PS5 as said, it's assumed that it will be slightly higher. After all the costs are what define what specifications we will have.

It's not as if this were the Cold War that the two companies push the specifications endlessly, these products already have an idea of the price to target, according to the marketing plans and which customers to target.

And there is nothing wrong with one saying that they are going to buy the PS5 even slightly lower specifications. After all, fans will buy their favorite platform regardless of the end result.

And if not, ask many Xbox fans who bought the One in 2013 when the power difference was 40% lower compared to the PS4.

 

[LED Guy?]

He didnt because Jason already said "shooting above 12TF", Benji already tweeted "near 13TF dev kit" and there was already report in early January 2019 that XSX is shooting for 12TF of RDNA. So he hasnt broken shit, and thats whats important.

If I say "Yea I can confirm there are V style dev kits for PS5 in dev hands" after it was already reported and pictures went out, it doesnt make me insider or the guy with legit info.

Nope Jason didn't say they're shooting above 12 TF RDNA and Benji didn't break the 13 TF dev kit fake number which was from a 4Chan lie, DAMN the amount of lies you're spewing right now are unbelievable!

In the end, Klee was the only one who said that they're both double digits and are in RDNA, both more powerful than RX 5700 XT, he was right, accept it, deal with it and move on.

I mean, at this point, someone who's living under a rock can make a prediction like "both consoles are in the range of 6 TF to 20 TF" and if that number hits in between then we can say that he was right? Damn you're really splitting hairs right now it's silly.

Anyways, Klee got verified twice and that just proves that he's right.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

OK PS5 February leakers, you got about 9 and a half hours till the month is over.

Get on it Cinderellas, where's all the Feb leakers the past month?

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Klee bingoed 64CUs and 1475MH post, which is obviously not true, but I can see people here not wanting to talk about all the damn misses these insiders had and concentrate on things that are yet to be confirmed.

Think like this, is MS really stupid enough to literally post TF definition on their official twitter, knowing full well Sony can announce specs and system the very same day and make them look like absolute idiots?



I think if they knew they had less TF, they would not put it front and center of their PR message. Nor would they post SOC pictures right before Sonys CES press conference and go on about "power power" everytime they talk about XSX. Because, if power is their best selling point, what happens if Sony has more power?

They still have a lot of power and don't directly compare themselves to Sony. Remember "space age tech and 8 billion transistors and 8gb of ram (we won't say what kind)"

 

[Nickolaidas]

Will you be using money from you earned from your job to pay for it?

I'm 40. I'm a little old to wait for my dad to give me enough allowance to buy one.

Joking aside, yeah. Right now job income is my only source of income. Lately I've started working on a webcomic. If it goes well, I may end up getting a couple of bucks via Patreon, but I don't see that happening for at least 2 years from now. It's going to take a while for my story to take off … and that's if it will be well received in the first place.

 

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I think what will define the ps5 to be 9tf or 13tf will be the sales performance of ps4 pro vs ps4 slim. If that ratio is today at least 50/50, sony may want to seek power, otherwise, if it is still around 20% or 30%, forget it, sony will embrace 70% or 80% and make a console for the crowds.

Didn't something come out of this a bit back and showed the base PS4 vastly outweighed the PS4 Pro in sales ratio?

I mean, overall that would be the case because from 2013 to fall of 2016 the Pro wasn't even available, but I think even from that point onward the ratio has been strongly in favor of base PS4. And I would venture to say, a similar ratio between the XBO S and XBO X, but maybe slightly more in favor of the mid-gen refresh in that camp due to how anemic XBO was already looking and console gamers opting for the more powerful refresh to play 3rd-party multiplats on.

That latter point would imply something regarding Sony to address such with next-gen on paper, but in practice all you have to do is look at total PS4 and XBO system sales to see that the X wasn't that much of a factor to impede PS4 sales or throw Sony off PS4 sales projections (exceeding them, even).

They still have a lot of power and don't directly compare themselves to Sony. Remember "space age tech and 8 billion transistors and 8gb of ram (we won't say what kind)"

TBF, that was 2013 MS. A completely different and bumbling dolt of a MS that just didn't get the market at all around that time. It's clear by now they've shed that old self for the better.

All the same, it's pretty clear now Sony's also shed themselves of their older PS4 self, which has been troublesome for me because that PS4 team helped lead them to success this gen quite handily. We can only hope the current team is at least up to par, but they haven't been doing much of late to give me that confidence. Aside from Cerny of course.