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[Captain Hero]

Yeah .. a console without games its useless no matter what power you got but I think MS will make it easier for fans with full bc until the new games come .. but for PS5 oh boy

 

[Mod of War]

No, Sony is laughing their heads off at all the XBots pushing the idea of a 9.2TF machine. They don't care about all the trolls pushing that idea right now. By waiting until a later date, they can announce a thirteen TF machine and totally humiliate all the XBots that went on and on and on about a thirteen TF machine being impossible. It would be an epic event unlike any other in gaming history.

Dial it back on the “xbot” rhetoric.

 

[splattered]

No, Sony is laughing their heads off at all the XBots pushing the idea of a 9.2TF machine. They don't care about all the trolls pushing that idea right now. By waiting until a later date, they can announce a thirteen TF machine and totally humiliate all the XBots that went on and on and on about a thirteen TF machine being impossible. It would be an epic event unlike any other in gaming history.

Yup. Sony is totally waiting to announce the 13tf ps5 just so they can humiliate a handful of people on NeoGaf and Twitter.

Get a grip man.

 

[VincentMatts]

Oh I agree, but think 9 TF is a little bit too low for a good leap forward.

I think MS have hit the sweet spot personally with 12TF so I like your bet and would be happy with that for the PS5.

Its not just about teraflops. The big difference between this generation and the last one is that the CPU isn’t a bottleneck anymore. So even 9 Tflop would be capable of a lot more with these CPUs.

These systems are designed to be a lot more efficient than the last ones were. So the teraflop number doesn’t say the whole story.

A 6TF next gen would not = an Xbox one X. It would be better.

 

[Disco_]

Yeah .. a console without games its useless no matter what power you got but I think MS will make it easier for fans with full bc until the new games come .. but for PS5 oh boy

What's your definition of "full BC" cause neither console will have what I consider "full BC"..

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Thank fuck JAMMA has been banned from this thread.
It's really annoying to be scrolling through his obvious troll posts page after page and even more annoying to see people actually respond to it.
Fuckimg weird.

 

[splattered]

I totally expect Ps5 to have full BC with PS1 and PS2 games, but probably not PS3.

I would probably buy the ps5 much earlier if not at launch if they had full PS1 and ps2 BC and didnt charge extra for it.

 

[BatSu]

Oh I agree, but think 9 TF is a little bit too low for a good leap forward.

I think MS have hit the sweet spot personally with 12TF so I like your bet and would be happy with that for the PS5.

I don't think you should worry about that.

Posted by BGs (verified developer in Resetera and Neogaf)

"True leaks are always true at a certain time and circumstances.

Today, 9.2TF, is the only thing that PS5 does not have.

Now is at puberty."

 

[Gavin Stevens]

She's definitely not 12 or 13. I'd say... 9?

I would say she looks about 11.

 

[demigod]

He was vetted because as he said, he proved he worked in the graphics industry. Not game development.

We don’t “vet” every single post they decide to make after that. That also doesn’t mean people can’t carry their preferences and biases either.

Someone like @HeisenbergFX4 mentioned several times that he prefers the PlayStation platform, but also passed on his information in a neutral manner. Respect.

All this time I thought you guys vetted him because he kept saying he had friends at ND. So his title seems even worse now.

 

[FeiRR]

I would say she looks about 11.

That's good. Her 12-yo brother can take her home after school so they're both safe on the road.

 

[jackets with pockets]

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sounds like each system will put the correct version of the game on the correct system. If ps3 and ps4 were compatible as ps4/ps5 or xbone/xsx are, your opening statement would be meaningless.
You're not going to download a ps3 version of the game onto your ps4 and if it remains as it is, you won't be downloading a ps4 game to your ps5 if a ps5 version exists. Just as you won't be getting an xbone version on your xsx if an xsx version exists.

I’m calling it right now, since this seems to be mainly for first party and optional for 3rd.

They are going to be have one disc that works in the entire Xbox family and the 1X/XSX patches will be locked behind a download.

I’m hoping not, but this reads awfully lot like a way to shoehorn that online DRM for the new systems. As long as those specific versions are not on the disc.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Cross buy and Play Anywhere sound similar. Do we expect Sony to offer Cross Buy on their 1st-party games from PS4 to PS5 like MS is doing? I think they will as that's a great feature, but I haven't found anything definitive during my, admittedly, casual search.

Cross buy play anywhere been done on Sony consoles since ps3 days I bought Playstation Allstars and played it on my ps3/Vita for one price. Call of duty and bf upgrades were free from ps3 to ps4 for a certain time.

All the same shit. All depends on how thirsty these corps are about prioritizing shit when thy want to try to recoup market share they've lost.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Gif and meme champion? Isn't that Bo_Hazem?

 

[jonnyp]

Its not just about teraflops. The big difference between this generation and the last one is that the CPU isn’t a bottleneck anymore. So even 9 Tflop would be capable of a lot more with these CPUs.

These systems are designed to be a lot more efficient than the last ones were. So the teraflop number doesn’t say the whole story.

A 6TF next gen would not = an Xbox one X. It would be better.

I know that but as I said, I can afford to pay more so naturally I'd want more. That's it.

As with every other console I've had it will last me many years so of course I want it to be as powerful as possible from the start. I appreciate not everyone else sees it the same way.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Well to be fair Spanish people get puberty too, i know we are neighbors, and the Spanish word for it is 'pubertad' _ that's actually pretty similar to the English don't you think?
I'm not arguing that it was really BGs intention to make that subtle imply, i know people get carried away for more than once by things he said and look something else... but this time that's a short and simple post, with a tease that could be really intentional.

Fair enough for the Spanish, but I don't understand you here. "I'm not arguint that it was really BGs intention..." and then "a tease that could be really intentional". Then, if I say it's silly to think that could be intentional, are you not arguing about the contrary? Or do you just mean that you don't think it's surely intentional? For the last point, well, yeah, I never said you thought that, I said that for me it's just over-overthinking just to theorize that, even if only as a possibility.

 

[splattered]

What's your definition of "full BC" cause neither console will have what I consider "full BC"..

Well emulation is never 100%, there are always missing titles or poorly performing games that arent even worth playing.

I think when people say "full BC" they just mean several generations back with a large variety of games per generation.

Obviously we arent going to be able to pop in just any old disc and have it work 100%, there will need to be intervention by the BC teams to get some games to work right still, especially with the way current BC works.

It would be nice if that was no longer needed but I doubt the new consoles will be powerful enough to just brute force fix issues with raw power.

 

[DJ12]

Have you seen Microsoft's console?

What better cooling method could Sony have than a design which is not only shaped like this but larger? Also who is to say Microsoft can't just overclock their system to match or exceed it? They overclocked the Xbox One beyond its base frequencies with absolutely no thermal or noise penalty, and they said Series X is as silent as the Xbox One X so they clearly have headroom.

Oh I see, you're one of them that thinks form factor = unmatched cooling potential.

 

[Captain Hero]

What's your definition of "full BC" cause neither console will have what I consider "full BC"..

Xbox series x will run xbox one games and all the previous gens so that would be cool with all the upgrade we get from that monster... but for PS5 don't know about that hope it's full bc

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Oh I see, you're one of them that thinks form factor = unmatched cooling potential.

When we're talking about this kind of power in a system the form factor is extremely important when you want to dissipate heat quietly.

You can pack shit as tight as you want and cool it effectively but it's going to be god awful to listen to. It's physics.

 

[PocoJoe]

AMD Ray Tracing Will Arrive "When The Time is Right" - Next-Gen Raytracing Addressed

AMD has said in a recent briefing that raytracing will arrive on their cards "when the time is right". Here's what that means.

www.techquila.co.in

RDNA2 and RT for both next gen consoles, said AMD dude on january, they claim. I hope this "ps5 will not have rt / rdna2" nonsense ends

"
AMD AS A COMPANY…STRONGLY BELIEVES IN THE VALUE AND CAPABILITY OF RAYTRACING. RDNA 2, THE NEXT-GEN, WILL SUPPORT RAYTRACING. BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY. WE WILL BE SURE TO HAVE THE CONTENT THAT GAMERS CAN ACTUALLY USE TO RUN ON THOSE GPUS


WE BELIEVE IN OUR RAYTRACING, AND WE WILL HAVE IT WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.

Mithun Chandrashekhar, Product Management Lead, AMD "

 

[BGs]

It must be frustrating not being able to say anything.

But the really frustrating thing is Covid-19 and the affectation to the GDC.

 

[CthulhuPL]

via Imgflip Meme Generator

 

[JLB]

Marketing hasn't even begun yet for Sony. You think MS feeling the need to announce pretty much everything is them doing well? Time will tell on this, but I'm fairly certain it's because they want their info out there first, because it's not as good. You don't want to be second if you are worse than your competition. That is a bad marketing move.

I watched the phone one, and that was pretty good actually. To be honest in this climate until things get better it's probably the only way it's going to happen.

Maybe it already has happened at the event on the 29th at the Sony hall, maybe that was planned to be a live event, but instead they went for a pre recorded session that they will put on youtube in a few days. Who knows.

Sure, 4d chess.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

No, Sony is laughing their heads off at all the XBots pushing the idea of a 9.2TF machine. They don't care about all the trolls pushing that idea right now. By waiting until a later date, they can announce a thirteen TF machine and totally humiliate all the XBots that went on and on and on about a thirteen TF machine being impossible. It would be an epic event unlike any other in gaming history.

The release of Doom and Half-Life were great moments, not announce a sightly higher number which would boost performance by 5%, cut it with this TeraFLOPS absurdity, graphics is secondary, period.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

AMD Ray Tracing Will Arrive "When The Time is Right" - Next-Gen Raytracing Addressed

AMD has said in a recent briefing that raytracing will arrive on their cards "when the time is right". Here's what that means.

www.techquila.co.in

Mithun Chandrashekhar, Product Management Lead, AMD

There we have it, thanks a lot! Let's not repeat the same scenario of Cerny confirming hardware-based RT and yet people mention github that has no RT.

 

[Jason28]

But the really frustrating thing is Covid-19 and the affectation to the GDC.

 

[FeiRR]

I’m calling it right now, since this seems to be mainly for first party and optional for 3rd.

They are going to be have one disc that works in the entire Xbox family and the 1X/XSX patches will be locked behind a download.

I’m hoping not, but this reads awfully lot like a way to shoehorn that online DRM for the new systems. As long as those specific versions are not on the disc.

If we're talking cross-gen (X1 to XSX and PS4 to PS5), it's not only going to be executable patches but also very large asset packages. I mean tens of gigabytes of data. Putting them together on a single BD can be a problem of size. So even if it works like you say and you buy last-gen version, you'll have to download a lot of data. People with data caps will not be amused.

 

[Md Ray]

AMD Ray Tracing Will Arrive "When The Time is Right" - Next-Gen Raytracing Addressed

AMD has said in a recent briefing that raytracing will arrive on their cards "when the time is right". Here's what that means.

www.techquila.co.in

Mithun Chandrashekhar, Product Management Lead, AMD

AMD Ray Tracing Will Arrive "When The Time is Right" - Next-Gen Raytracing Addressed

AMD has said in a recent briefing that raytracing will arrive on their cards "when the time is right". Here's what that means.

www.techquila.co.in

RDNA2 and RT for both next gen consoles, said AMD dude on january, they claim. I hope this "ps5 will not have rt / rdna2" nonsense ends

"
AMD AS A COMPANY…STRONGLY BELIEVES IN THE VALUE AND CAPABILITY OF RAYTRACING. RDNA 2, THE NEXT-GEN, WILL SUPPORT RAYTRACING. BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY. WE WILL BE SURE TO HAVE THE CONTENT THAT GAMERS CAN ACTUALLY USE TO RUN ON THOSE GPUS


WE BELIEVE IN OUR RAYTRACING, AND WE WILL HAVE IT WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.

Mithun Chandrashekhar, Product Management Lead, AMD "

Well there it is...

 

[CrustyBritches]

Cross buy play anywhere been done on Sony consoles since ps3 days I bought Playstation Allstars and played it on my ps3/Vita for one price. Call of duty and bf upgrades were free from ps3 to ps4 for a certain time.

All the same shit. All depends on how thirsty these corps are about prioritizing shit when thy want to try to recoup market share they've lost.

Something I've seen mentioned a lot is people saying something to the effect of "I'm gonna hold off on buying/playing game x(Ghosts of Tsushima, TLOU 2, Cyberpunk) on PS4 so I can get it on PS5 and experience the true next-gen version." I think if Sony gave this option for especially these 3 games in particular, it would establish a lot of goodwill with gamers.

 

[LED Guy?]

Oh so AMD confirmed that both consoles are in RDNA 2.0 architecture, more and more stuff DESTROYING the GitHub leak with IRREFUTABLE OFFICIAL FACUAL QUOTE FROM AMD!!

GitHub states RDNA 1 and no Hardware RT nor VRS, this is what they said....

“AMD AS A COMPANY…STRONGLY BELIEVES IN THE VALUE AND CAPABILITY OF RAYTRACING. RDNA 2, THE NEXT-GEN, WILL SUPPORT RAYTRACING. BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY. WE WILL BE SURE TO HAVE THE CONTENT THAT GAMERS CAN ACTUALLY USE TO RUN ON THOSE GPUS.”

https://www.techquila.co.in/amd-raytracing-navi-radeon-rx-gpu/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

[jroc74]

AMD Ray Tracing Will Arrive "When The Time is Right" - Next-Gen Raytracing Addressed

AMD has said in a recent briefing that raytracing will arrive on their cards "when the time is right". Here's what that means.

www.techquila.co.in

RDNA2 and RT for both next gen consoles, said AMD dude on january, they claim. I hope this "ps5 will not have rt / rdna2" nonsense ends

"
AMD AS A COMPANY…STRONGLY BELIEVES IN THE VALUE AND CAPABILITY OF RAYTRACING. RDNA 2, THE NEXT-GEN, WILL SUPPORT RAYTRACING. BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY. WE WILL BE SURE TO HAVE THE CONTENT THAT GAMERS CAN ACTUALLY USE TO RUN ON THOSE GPUS


WE BELIEVE IN OUR RAYTRACING, AND WE WILL HAVE IT WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.

Mithun Chandrashekhar, Product Management Lead, AMD "

Yeah, just read this earlier. Agree, this should put to rest the whole what about RT nonsense. I'm just shocked we didn't find this quote until today.

 

[Koopatrol]

AMD Ray Tracing Will Arrive "When The Time is Right" - Next-Gen Raytracing Addressed

AMD has said in a recent briefing that raytracing will arrive on their cards "when the time is right". Here's what that means.

www.techquila.co.in

Mithun Chandrashekhar, Product Management Lead, AMD

Good find. I can't believe this article is from January and I'm just now seeing it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Something I've seen mentioned a lot is people saying something to the effect of "I'm gonna hold off on buying/playing game x(Ghosts of Tsushima, TLOU 2, Cyberpunk) on PS4 so I can get it on PS5 and experience the true next-gen version." I think if Sony gave this option for especially these 3 games in particular, it would establish a lot of goodwill with gamers.

Given Sony's track record of releasing remasters/up-ports for more cash, I'm thinking what Sony may do is one-way street cross play.

Whereas MS came out and said Smart Delivery will have gamers buying it once and doesn't matter which hardware you have, I think SOny is trying to get sales of LoU 2, Ghosts etc..... as PS4 sales, BUT a PS5 version is another $60.

But if someone buys the PS5 version, a cross play PS4 is included in case you still have a PS4 around.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Given Sony's track record of releasing remasters/up-ports for more cash, I'm thinking what Sony may do is one-way street cross play.

Whereas MS came out and said Smart Delivery will have gamers buying it once and doesn't matter which hardware you have, I think SOny is trying to get sales of LoU 2, Ghosts etc..... as PS4 sales, BUT a PS5 version is another $60.

But if someone buys the PS5 version, a cross play PS4 is included in case you still have a PS4 around.

Still possible but wouldn't make sense regarding the statement about easy transition from old gen to next gen. We have BC, online and Pro\X example this time, let alone SeX, if Sony want an easy transition they have all the instruments and motivations.

 

[HawarMiran]

Oh so AMD confirmed that both consoles are in RDNA 2.0 architecture, more and more stuff DESTROYING the GitHub leak!!

GitHub states RDNA 1 and no Hardware RT nor VRS, this is what they said....

“AMD AS A COMPANY…STRONGLY BELIEVES IN THE VALUE AND CAPABILITY OF RAYTRACING. RDNA 2, THE NEXT-GEN, WILL SUPPORT RAYTRACING. BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY. WE WILL BE SURE TO HAVE THE CONTENT THAT GAMERS CAN ACTUALLY USE TO RUN ON THOSE GPUS.”

https://www.techquila.co.in/amd-raytracing-navi-radeon-rx-gpu/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

GITHUB!!!!DO YOU SPEAK IT, MOTHERFUCKER?!?!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Something I've seen mentioned a lot is people saying something to the effect of "I'm gonna hold off on buying/playing game x(Ghosts of Tsushima, TLOU 2, Cyberpunk) on PS4 so I can get it on PS5 and experience the true next-gen version." I think if Sony gave this option for especially these 3 games in particular, it would establish a lot of goodwill with gamers.

I would rather playing them as fast as possible. Not sure if I'll replay them with improved graphics, except just checking them out. It's a great goodbye for a very dense PS4 library that has brought to me joy, laughs, and tears. Gaming is entertainment, and it's a great tool to relax your tension after work and what life would throw to you. You can be a gamer and still be successful in life. Don't ever let your controller down, always have a firm grip on your joystick.

 

[Moridianae]

So sounds like both systems have RDNA2 capabilities and hardware-based RT, as confirmed by AMD themselves.

That should put that part to bed and *should*, theoretically, put the 9TF rumor to bed also, but I'm sure folks will still point back to that somehow.

I'm gonna say 12 TF for both systems rounded off by the endgame. Pretty ludicrous for consoles.

 

[Gudji]

Oh so AMD confirmed that both consoles are in RDNA 2.0 architecture, more and more stuff DESTROYING the GitHub leak with IRREFUTABLE OFFICIAL FACUAL QUOTE FROM AMD!!

GitHub states RDNA 1 and no Hardware RT nor VRS, this is what they said....

“AMD AS A COMPANY…STRONGLY BELIEVES IN THE VALUE AND CAPABILITY OF RAYTRACING. RDNA 2, THE NEXT-GEN, WILL SUPPORT RAYTRACING. BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY. WE WILL BE SURE TO HAVE THE CONTENT THAT GAMERS CAN ACTUALLY USE TO RUN ON THOSE GPUS.”

https://www.techquila.co.in/amd-raytracing-navi-radeon-rx-gpu/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Now the new narrative - at least on era - is that it's the only website with that quote. Lmao
There's also a PCWorld article but has different wording.

High-end Navi GPUs and ray tracing are coming to Radeon graphics cards, AMD CEO teases

In a small roundtable with press at CES, AMD CEO Lisa Su gave glimpses into what's next for Radeon GPUs in 2020.

www.pcworld.com

And what of ray tracing, which isn't currently supported by any Radeon card? When asked whether real-time ray tracing will be as momentous as Nvidia claims, Su said the following:

“I’ve said in the past that ray tracing is important, and I still believe that, but if you look at where we are today it is still very early. We are investing heavily in ray tracing and investing heavily in the ecosystem around it – both of our console partners have also said that they are using ray tracing. You should expect that our discrete graphics as we go through 2020 will also have ray tracing.”

So not only is AMD enabling ray tracing on the Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 towards the end of the year, Su all but confirms that we’ll see it on some form of discrete Radeon graphics card in 2020, too.

 

[Ruben43cb]

If ps5 upclocks to 13tf hopefully xsx does too so we can all be one same field.

Would make 100% sense for both to use same gpu and CPU... since would cut costs

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

So sounds like both systems have RDNA2 capabilities and hardware-based RT, as confirmed by AMD themselves.

That should put that part to bed and *should*, theoretically, put the 9TF rumor to bed also, but I'm sure folks will still point back to that somehow.

I'm gonna say 12 TF for both systems rounded off by the endgame. Pretty ludicrous for consoles.

Cerny: am I a joke to you?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

via Imgflip Meme Generator

I see what you did with your avatar

 

[CrustyBritches]

I would rather playing them as fast as possible. Not sure if I'll replay them with improved graphics, except just checking them out. It's a great goodbye for a very dense PS4 library that has brought to me joy, laughs, and tears. Gaming is entertainment, and it's a great tool to relax your tension after work and what life would throw to you. You can be a gamer and still be successful in life. Don't ever let your controller down, always have a firm grip on your joystick.

Are you playing on a base PS4 or Pro? I know from playing Division 2 and Gears 5 on X1S, then later on PC it can almost be a completely different experience.

Speaking of joysticks, this probably my favorite of all time from Amiga...

We had all sorts of other joysticks for PC. It's weird to think how many different genres was playing with them. They had some gamepads(everyone had a gravis gamepad) back then, but it seemed like every tech store would have a whole shelf of joysticks back in the early 90s.

 

[Moridianae]

What's next, I wonder?

Wired was the only company who secured exclusive interviews, so none of what was said can be taken seriously because Sony didn't talk to anyone else?

 

[Tenka Musou]

Oh so AMD confirmed that both consoles are in RDNA 2.0 architecture, more and more stuff DESTROYING the GitHub leak with IRREFUTABLE OFFICIAL FACUAL QUOTE FROM AMD!!

GitHub states RDNA 1 and no Hardware RT nor VRS, this is what they said....

“AMD AS A COMPANY…STRONGLY BELIEVES IN THE VALUE AND CAPABILITY OF RAYTRACING. RDNA 2, THE NEXT-GEN, WILL SUPPORT RAYTRACING. BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY. WE WILL BE SURE TO HAVE THE CONTENT THAT GAMERS CAN ACTUALLY USE TO RUN ON THOSE GPUS.”

https://www.techquila.co.in/amd-raytracing-navi-radeon-rx-gpu/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

I'm reading this as "Both RDNA2 and Next-gen console chips will support raytracing".
Not that next gen consoles will feature RDNA2

 

[Disco_]

Xbox series x will run xbox one games and all the previous gens so that would be cool with all the upgrade we get from that monster... but for PS5 don't know about that hope it's full bc

It will run the same original and 360 games that xbone does. That's not "full bc" to me as it's just some games from previous gens. I don't expect anything but ps4 BC.

 

[DJ12]

When we're talking about this kind of power in a system the form factor is extremely important when you want to dissipate heat quietly.

You can pack shit as tight as you want and cool it effectively but it's going to be god awful to listen to. It's physics.

I didn't say it wouldn't help, but it's not the be all end all like you seem to think.

But you haven't even seen the PS5 and are coming out with this so, enjoy your xbox, hope it brings you happiness.

 

[Disco_]

When we're talking about this kind of power in a system the form factor is extremely important when you want to dissipate heat quietly.

You can pack shit as tight as you want and cool it effectively but it's going to be god awful to listen to. It's physics.

I see the "dark tower" is this gen's vapor chamber".

 

[DJ12]

Sure, 4d chess.

Time will tell, will look forward to taking this up with you after the reveal, good or bad for Sony seeing as I'm not invested like you.