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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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DeepEnigma

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So basically your argumentation is dont give a fuck about what BGs BGs (a PS developer verfied for the mods), already confirmed today here in this thread: THE PS5 IS NOT A 9.2TF MACHINE.

Here is my last thought before I put you on ignore ;)

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Best gif yet! 🤣👌
 

johnjohn

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So basically your argumentation is dont give a fuck about what BGs BGs (a PS developer verfied for the mods), already confirmed today here in this thread: THE PS5 IS NOT A 9.2TF MACHINE.

Here is my last thought before I put you on ignore ;)

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BGs is just speculating. He doesn't have access to the devkits.
 
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You mean the dual gpus we are still looking forcin the power brick of the Xbox One 🤔

Tht dual gpu talk is very minimal and can't compare to the bs nonsense of the github talk or certain fans praying for psv to be weaker all bcus thy feel they were embarrassed this gen and feel some weird honor thy need to uphold. It's very weird and unhealthy.

Oh I agree that the Github stuff has been far more prevalent. My point was that some people won't be happy unless they see a PS4 trump card style reveal from either MS or Sony.
 

HawarMiran

Banned
Thanks!

It's a Atari 2600 Junior (Slim in other words :D). Not so beautiful like the original VCS, but much smaller.

By the way, my complete collection (without my red/black PS4 and the Switch):

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And some games with original packaging:

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Flawless collection. Nothing of importance is missing 🙂🙃
 
LOL, you’re looking like the big tool on this site right now we don’t have to make many points for you to show us that, on one of your posts you claim they might be using a RDNA 1 with RDNA 2 hybrid features right? Can you show me what other products they’re offering as you seem to clearly know more than AMD does?? As far as I’m aware AMD have pushed out RDNA 1 and RDNA 2 is coming out, you’re so sure there IS some hybrid hardware AMD haven’t mentioned that is RDNA 1 but with RDNA 2 features.

RDNA2 isn't hardware; it's a design standard that also features GCN architectural elements. Things the PS5 needs to ensure hardware-based backwards compatibility with PS4 and PS4 Pro.

RDNA2 is not exclusively 7nm+ / 7nm EUV. It IS however a standard that can have features implemented onto either process node.

So the chance is very probable for both PS5 and XSX (plus Lockhart) that they are 7nm RDNA1/RDNA2 chips, with varying levels of the two standards. PS5 chip, other specs notwithstanding, will definitely have more RDNA1 features on it than the MS ones because its backwards compatibility is hardware-based and requires GCN architecture on the hardware of the chip itself. However both of them will use whatever necessary RDNA2 features required (such as RT, VRR, VRS, DLSS etc.) to effectively be considered RDNA2, while leaving out RDNA2 features not vital for gaming performance.

What AMD is offering themselves through the PC side should not be considered 100% reflective of what the consoles are doing. Consoles have always featured customized CPUs, GPUs and (recently) APUs, even if they are using PC-based architectures these days. It would actually be odd if Sony and MS weren't using customized APUs, and that includes APUs with any mixture of RDNA1 and RDNA2 features, even on 7nm process node rather than 7nm EUV. And in Sony's case, they will definitely feature some RDNA1 features because they need the GCN features for PS4 and PS4 Pro compatibility.

So the only question becomes now how many (and/or how much) RDNA2 features each system's chip will have relative to each other. That one is still up in the air.
 

CrustyBritches

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If anybody is looking for a change of pace from the circles we've been running in, or you're interested in Lockhart like I am, I posted this in the other thread, but only got a couple hits on it:

12TF @ 4K to 4TF @ 1080p performance scaling in Turing:
I was curious about performance scaling between 4k and 1080p at ~12TF and ~4TF, respectively. I have a 2060 Super that has 2176 CUDA cores and runs 1650MHz stock(7.2TF). Using MSI Afterburner I was able to create a custom frequency curve and limit the frequency and voltage to set values to prevent clock boosting. I verified the set frequency values using MSI Afterburner monitor set to Core Clock. I then verified the frequency scaling and stability using 3DMark TimeSpy, as seen in the following graph:
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Afterwards, I used Guru3D reviews and benchmark for The Witcher 3 to test scaling from 4K on 2080 Super(~12TF w/OC) to 1080p on 2060 Super(~4.4TF w/Underclock, Undervolt). I used the settings from Guru3D(Ultra, AA 'ON', SSAO, Hairworks 'OFF') to compare the GPUs using FRAPS benchmark with a ~30sec run through White Orchard.

Ultra Settings:
2080 Super(12TF) @ 4K = 72fps avg
2060 Super(4.4TF) @ 1080p = 75fps avg

High Settings:
2060 Super(4.4TF) @ 1080p = 104fps avg

After each benchmark run, the frequency was verified in Afterburner monitor to confirm it was set and stable at 1010MHz.

Results indicate that, at least on Turing, ~12TF @ 4K perfectly scales to ~4TF @ 1080p using 'Ultra' Settings. In the event that required scaling can't be achieved, reverting to flat 'High' settings provides a 37.7% boost to frame rate.
 

psorcerer

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PS5 chip, other specs notwithstanding, will definitely have more RDNA1 features on it than the MS ones because its backwards compatibility is hardware-based and requires GCN architecture on the hardware of the chip itself.

No. It doesn't. You forget that "hw compatibility" only goes down to "programming model", meaning command processor firmware and command buffer format.
AFAIK, RDNAx remains in PM4 format.
I.e. fully "hw compatible".
 
It does say that RDNA2 will support Ray Tracing and then mentions that PS5 will have Ray Tracing, so that obviously mean that PS5 has to have RDNA2 if it's to have Ray Tracing. We already know that GPU will have Ray Tracing as Cerny said and you can't have Ray Tracing in GPU without RDNA2.
Careful. This is exactly how a misterxmedia get to their conclusions. these corps eat piece meal and build APUs. It could be a combination of anything. Is it MOST LIKELY that PS5 is RDNA2, RT and 12+ TF, absolutely, but until Sony says so, it's just assumptions and educated guesses. I think ps5 will be just as powerful with the same features as xsx. THE ONLY WAY Sony comes in a little below would be a deliberate move to $399 low loss pricing. I dont believe it, though. They'll be within 10% of each other in every category,which will make next gen really amazing, IMO.
 

JMB88

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Most on Reset Era are convinced 9.2 TF Oberon is the final version of the PS5 GPU because Sony was supposedly ahead of MS in development at the time.



That thread in resetera is unbearable. They threw out so many people that they could give information both first and second hand because it does not fit the narrative of a few who believe they are scholars.

I think there is no need to mention, but most of those "scholars" erred in absolutely all predictions and yet they are so cowardly that they harass others.

yes, I would not be surprised if the poet and his allies continue circling in 9.2 TF.
 
That thread in resetera is unbearable. They threw out so many people that they could give information both first and second hand because it does not fit the narrative of a few who believe they are scholars.

I think there is no need to mention, but most of those "scholars" erred in absolutely all predictions and yet they are so cowardly that they harass others.

yes, I would not be surprised if the poet and his allies continue circling in 9.2 TF.

I hope that Klee returns post reveal if he turns out to be right. The way some members acted during that phase was straight up embarrassing.
 

JMB88

Neo Member
I hope that Klee returns post reveal if he turns out to be right. The way some members acted during that phase was straight up embarrassing.



Hope so. I stopped intervening when they started doing the same with BG than with Klee. They look like 10 year old people because of their emotional involvement with their brands.
 

husomc

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(this following is not just meant as an answer for you but as a general statement, just so you know I'm not talking specifically about you with this :messenger_winking:)

all I am saying is that the quote everyone is basing this whole thing on right now does in no way say that both consoles use RDNA2, it simply doesn't say that, it never said that and no one thought it said that back when we all thought the Series X will also use RDNA1 with RDNA2 features added.
this whole thing is based on a quote that people interpret in a way that fits their narrative instead if taking it at face value where all it is is someone talking about GPU features and new PC GPU releases.

and why does everyone who is married to Sony now want this quote to say both use RDNA2? because that validates an "insider" leak they particularly like, that is the sole reason.
because the github leak that still is by far the most reliably source of info said the tested chip is RDNA1, so how handy to have a quote that they can manipulate to say what they want to hear.

it is quite frankly ridiculous and it is getting worse by the minute.
I am still absolutely certain that the PS5 will be in the ballpark of 9 to 10 TF and is using RDNA1 with added features (namely RT and VRS) and I believe this because there is still no convincing explanation for what that leaked chip is for if it isn't meant to be used as the APU of the PS5.

and I also think that this is what people should expect in order to not get disappointed.
all this arguing will not change what is inside the PS5, you guys know that right? even if all that say 9.2TF are wrong or all the people that say 13TF are wrong, this will not change anything once the final console is revealed. it is just that all the people expecting 13TF RDNA2 are setting themselves up for disappointment and all they base their believes on is hearsay and and people that change their estimates all the time and in some instances were completely wrong about what they said... may I remember us all about how one of the "leakers" that said 13TF and which is now seen as prove also said Sony bought Remedy a few months ago with no one noticing and no public announcement of this until now even tho Remedy is publicly traded?

expect 9.2TF, and be happy with every GFLOP you get on top of that... in the end it doesn't matter if you think the PS5 has an RDNA2 GPU with 13TF of power or if I think it has a 9.2TF RDNA1 gpu, the real console is already finished and ready to be produced soon, nothing we do here changes that.
and if it is 13TF RDNA2, me and others telling you it is 9.2TF RDNA1 will not have any impact on how the console will be received or if people will buy it or not, does it? all it will be in the end is some were right and some were wrong, that's it, which is why no one should get heated about it and which is why people should expect 9.2TF RDNA1 with RT and VRS because we can be certain that this is the bare minimum we will get from the PS5.

all you do to yourself by insisting it has to be 13TF RDNA2 is that you set yourself up for disappointment if it turns out 9.2TF RDNA1 was correct. just like all the people expecting close to Xbox One performance from the Switch because, "it surely has to use a new Tegra X2 chip and not that old Tegra X1", were disappointed in the end when it turns out, not only did it use a Tegra X1 but it also used it with way lower CPU clocks and even lowered GPU clocks compared to the reference specs.

---TLDR---
•These discussions will not change what will be inside the PS5 or how it will be received
•Everyone calm down
•Expect 9.2 RDNA1 with RT and VRS
•Be pleasantly surprised by every GFLOP we will get beyond that
•Don't set yourself up for disappointment by clinging to weird interpretations and hearsay insiders that already had very spotty predictions

Life lessons I got from your post. Pick the ugliest girl around for a wife. Don't hold out for a pretty girl coz that is just setting yourself up for disappointment. It doesn't matter what your heart wants, GOD has decided who will be your wife. Just be happy that the girl has boobs and an ass. If she has hair kudos to you for you are among the worthy.
 
‘Logic:’

Github reveals XBOX is 12 TFLOPS
At the same time Github reveals a chip that may be PS5 or a dev kit is 9.2 TF

XBOX is 12 TF

Therefore, PS5 GPU is 9.2 TF

Oh, so could you point us to the bit where the GitHub data shows that the Xbox would be a 12 TFlops console? Take your time, I'm waiting.
 
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Roronoa Zoro

Gold Member
Life lessons I got from your post. Pick the ugliest girl around for a wife. Don't hold out for a pretty girl coz that is just setting yourself up for disappointment. It doesn't matter what your heart wants, GOD has decided who will be your wife. Just be happy that the girl has boobs and an ass. If she has hair kudos to you for you are among the worthy.
Well this is more about expectations than choice so it would be more like saying "expect to have an ugly wife or none at all and be happy for every blessing past that"
 

Kagey K

Banned
Life lessons I got from your post. Pick the ugliest girl around for a wife. Don't hold out for a pretty girl coz that is just setting yourself up for disappointment. It doesn't matter what your heart wants, GOD has decided who will be your wife. Just be happy that the girl has boobs and an ass. If she has hair kudos to you for you are among the worthy.
 

Kumomeme

Member
Most on Reset Era are convinced 9.2 TF Oberon is the final version of the PS5 GPU because Sony was supposedly ahead of MS in development at the time.
nah...they also like us, still fighting over github 'believer' and 'unbelieveble'...there also still some folks there fighting against RT and non RT for ps5 lol

basically, nobody know anything
 
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