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[Koopatrol]

When I was watching the Road to PS5, nothing blew me away but I also didn't really feel disappointed. Moreso just a bit bored. I do think it was a marketing blunder given that I feel like this should've came after a proper reveal showcasing some PS5 games and tech demos. The SSD and stuff sounds good on paper, but people really need to see this stuff in action. Sony should've made it more clear in the original tweet that this was going to be very technical and meant for GDC. That's how you end up with ~600k (or whatever it was) watching and feeling disappointed.

As far as both consoles go: I have to say, I'm still VERY interested in both of them. I feel like too many people on this forum hate on Xbox unnecessarily, when they've fucking nailed it out of the park for this upcoming gen. With how powerful Series X will be, with MS's emphasis on enhanced BC and services, and promises to deliver great games with studio acquisitions... how can you not love this? It feels like a return to the 360 days. And I also feel like people are vastly overreacting to the PS5's specs. The fact of the matter is that the PS5 will be a huge leap compared to the PS4 and PS4 Pro. The SSD stuff is honestly exciting, and I'm sure Sony's first party will utilize it well. Sony already has amazing first party studios that are going to deliver on PS5. Personally I'm excited to see the next generation of VR, and all the improvements the PS5 can bring to that. There definitely are some reasons to be concerned with PS5 (confusing PS4 BC messaging, for instance), but I think people just need to chill for now.

Xbox Series X and PS5 seem to have two different philosophies. But I think that's what makes this interesting: for the first time since the 7th gen, I feel compelled to purchasing both consoles. Though I did say during this gen that I would not buy an Xbox One after the horrendous reveal, but ended up buying one anyway when Halo: MCC came out lol.

Also, props to all the Github believers. Got to give you your dues; I never doubted the authenticity, but really thought we were lacking proper context. Seems like it actually was right in front of our face the whole time, so I appreciate the users in this thread who took their time in trying to explain the Github leaked data.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Of course he was excited for the controller, because the console was nothing to get excited about.

I am excited for it sorry if you're not.

 

[Okami Haundo]

Do folks think the PS5 specs really mean we’ll get a $100 cheaper machine back Xbox? Seems to me that they traded GPU power for SSD speed. Not quite sure how that leads to a less expensive machine. I expect both to be $499.

 

[DForce]

Make me wonder if you're going to see some enhanced versions of PS4 games on the PS5.

 

[MadAnon]

Does that mean DF knows more?

Nah, they are MS fanboys who know nothing. If you want more info, ask Kleegamefan.

 

[01011001]

Do folks think the PS5 specs really mean we’ll get a $100 cheaper machine back Xbox? Seems to me that they traded GPU power for SSD speed. Not quite sure how that leads to a less expensive machine. I expect both to be $499.

I also expect them to be almost identical in price.

Sony's SSD seems pricey, also their SOC is not that much smaller, meaning they'll maybe pay 20 bucks less for each.

I expect both to be 499€
the only way the prices might differentiate is if one of them takes a considerably bigger loss with each system than the other.

 

[Reindeer]

I am excited for it sorry if you're not.

Going by the dislike ratio on today's video looks like I'm not the only one

 

[wintersouls]

There are much less differences than a PS4 pro and an Xbox one x

PS5
RAM 16GB GDDR6 RAM
Memory Bandwidth 16GB 448GB/s
CPU 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.5HGz
GPU 10.28 Teraflops, 36 CUs at 2.23GHz
Video Output 4K, 120hz refresh rate, 8K Support
Data Transfer Speed 5.5GB/S (Raw), 9GB/S (Compressed)
Storage Custom 825GB SSD Storage Drive

Xbox s X

16 GB GDDR6 RAM
10GB at 560GB/s, 6GB at 335GB/s
8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.8GHz (3.6GHz with SMT)
12 Teraflops, 52 CUs at 1.825GHz
native 4K, 8K Support, Up to 120hz
2.4gB/s (Raw), 4.8GB/s (Compressed)
1 TB NVMe SSD Storage Drive

 

[Faithless83]

Utterly dreadful, the pains I have I my chest are horrible, like it constantly feels like you’ve just run a marathon, even when you’re sat down. I’m ok though, the schools all shit Monday, so I’ve only got two days on my own before I have help. Thank you for asking.

Geez... get well soon man!

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Hey man, console wars, flops, ssds and tracing of rays aside, how are you feeling?

Honestly even if the insiders got PS5 specs wrong (except regarding SSD where they were all saying PS5's was faster and now that's confirmed), I can't see why anyone wants to hate on them. Even Tommy, who (if he was an insider) was probably a MS employee in some capacity seeing how they only got the XSX stuff right.

I feel bad for the people who were clinging heavily to a 13TF/14TF/15TF PS5 tho; those just weren't realistic expectations @ $499 with a faster SSD solution paired with that too. And gotta admit I feel bad for the people who kept trying to 100% disregard the Github info and testing data being completely irrelevant; final active CUs and clocks may've been off in that stuff but other than that almost everything else was right (also kind of affirms the RDNA1/Navi10 listing for Oberon was Ariel iGPU testing profile after all).

Still very happy with both systems and really excited how their unique quirks will be exploited by upcoming games.

Utterly dreadful, the pains I have I my chest are horrible, like it constantly feels like you’ve just run a marathon, even when you’re sat down. I’m ok though, the schools all shit Monday, so I’ve only got two days on my own before I have help. Thank you for asking.

Damn dude that's terrible to hear. I hope you get better man really do. Just rest easy for now and try some breathing exercises if you can.

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I think governments should be liable to a lawsuit by citizens for letting this virus spread the way they have

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Take care in the meantime man and heal up back to 100% very soon, you've got our support!

 

[Joey.]

So any excuse comment from an "insider" yet?

On another note - why do you guys think Sony hasn't revealed the look of the PS5 yet? Are they that far behind? Did they drop the ball this bad? A reveal would've done wonders.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Well well well, looks like HeisenbergFX4 @OsirisBlack Gavin Stevens were all wrong? WOW!!

Jason's "aiming to beat 10.7 TFs" was kinda wrong for PS5.
Kleegamefan was wrong as well.
VFX Veteran was wrong as well.

WTF happened LMAO!!
It seems like Sony was really secretive, but hey whatever, we sure had fun talking and nagging and had fun in the end.

Also thicc_girls_are_teh_best was right when he said GitHub has something to it, your profile picture though LOL!!

What happened was last year, one of these insiders (probably on Reee or 4chan) put up their hand and said I got secret info..... Pssssstttt, PS5 will be 12tf and is on track to beat the next Xbox. Pass it on.

So everyone else saw that and tagged on with their 11-13tf educated guess. SeX turns out to be 12tf so they all probably thought they were in the ballpark, so whether they are off by less than a tf they can all claim victory as close enough.

Turns out it's that Oberon 9.2 the whole time with a 10% gpu upclock to get to 10.3 which those spec investigators on twitter didn't know about.

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

The presentation was shit, but it's funny how people are upset cause of the TF count. If the XSX would be at 11 or 10 too, no one would fuck around about sonys 10.

60% more of GDDR6, double the speed for SSD, higher CU Ghz. PS5 is a beast.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Going by the dislike ratio on today's video looks like I'm not the only one

Most of that and including here are fanboys wanting console wars or people had way too high of unrealistic expectations.

And being told Ghost of Tsushima gets a day 0 PS5 patch looks like a lot of people will miss out on a great system.

 

[Prophet33]

I will let the games do the talking.

 

[whoever81]

Numbers mean everything if we are talking about same type of architecture and hardware.

Sure, numbers mean everything. We get it. How many times are you going to write about it? On a crusade much?

 

[CrustyBritches]

Concerning PS5 BC:

PushSquare: PS5's BC has fans baffled:

There's no denying the language is ambiguous, however, so we’ll contact the company for clarification. One thing’s for certain: it needs to ensure its messaging is right moving forwards. We all know how a few iffy statements doomed the Xbox One at launch, so perhaps the platform holder needs to take a step back and tighten up its strategy, because things have been far too muddy today.

TechRadar: PS5 will be BC with "almost" all the PS4's best games:

The PS5 will be backwards-compatible with PS4 games, PlayStation's chief architect Mark Cerny has reiterated during the PS5's hardware unveiling, explaining that "almost all" of the top 100 PS4 games will be playable at launch. Those top 100 games are ranked by playtime.

Kotaku: PS5's BC Won't arrive all at once:

PlayStation 5 will be backward compatible with PlayStation 4 games, but Sony said today to expect it to be a gradual rollout that needs to be tested on a per-game basis.

Polygon: PS5 will be backward-compatible with ‘almost all’ top 100 PS4 games at launch:

Sony’s next-generation console, the PlayStation 5, will be backward-compatible with lots of PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 4 Pro games, lead system architect Mark Cerny said during the “Road to PS5” presentation on Wednesday. Nearly all of the top PS4 titles, ranked by playtime, will be playable on PlayStation 5 when it launches in holiday 2020, he said.

Wired: Sony Details PlayStation 5 Specs and Backward Compatibility:

When it comes to running PlayStation 4 games and running them in a boosted capacity, things seem more complicated. “Testing has to be done on a title by title basis,” said Cerny of the PlayStation 5’s backward compatibility. Of the top 100 most-played titles on the PlayStation 4, he says, “we’re expecting almost all of them to be playable at launch.” After Microsoft’s announcement that the Xbox Series X would host four generations of Xbox games along with players’ existing Xbox One libraries, what we know of the PS5’s backward compatibility feature falls a little flat.

I know how I understood this: That at this point they're at almost 100 games for PS4 BC, but this is a very important subject. Most had assumed it would be BC with all PS4 games by virtue of the 36CU, if not with all PlayStation titles going back to PS1. Hopefully they will clarify to these news outlets, or on Twitter soon.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

so you're not one of the lucky ones who just have a scratchy throat? well that sucks.

Sadly not. I’m self isolating as a precaution, but there are no tests to take, so I don’t even know. As far as I feel, it just feels like a really shitty virus, so it could be a lot worse. But I don’t like getting up for the loo and sounding like I smoke 50 a day

 

[MadAnon]

Do folks think the PS5 specs really mean we’ll get a $100 cheaper machine back Xbox? Seems to me that they traded GPU power for SSD speed. Not quite sure how that leads to a less expensive machine. I expect both to be $499.

I think they will be the same price at 499. 16CU difference does not equal 100$ price difference. Not even close, especially when you will need better cooling to keep such high clocks in check.

 

[pasterpl]

PlayStation 5 backwards compatible with "almost all" top PS4 games at launch

At launch, PlayStation 5 will play "almost all" of the top 100 most-played PlayStation 4 games via its in-built backwar…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Reindeer]

Most of that and including here are fanboys wanting console wars or people had way too high of unrealistic expectations.

And being told Ghost of Tsushima gets a day 0 PS5 patch looks like a lot of people will miss out on a great system.

Sure, I'll give to you, your expectations weren't that high, but PS5 will always be compared to Series X so the disappointment is warranted. People are right to expect more from number one company in videogames.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Sure, I'll give to you, your expectations weren't that high, but PS5 will always be compared to Series X so the disappointment is warranted. People are right to expect more from number one company in videogames.

I honestly think they are more disappointed in the way it was delivered today.

If anyone wants to simply use TFs to measure a consoles success here again they are just fan boys looking to poke people.

 

[Reindeer]

Sure, numbers mean everything. We get it. How many times are you going to write about it? On a crusade much?

You people were giving so much hard time to those who said anything positive about GitHub leak (such as myself) for months and some even resorted to abuse individuals during that time and now you're crying after few hours because people are giving some back. Grow a spine and learn to deal with it like many of us have done here for a long time.

 

[01011001]

Sadly not. I’m self isolating as a precaution, but there are no tests to take, so I don’t even know. As far as I feel, it just feels like a really shitty virus, so it could be a lot worse. But I don’t like getting up for the loo and sounding like I smoke 50 a day

yeah the testing situation is shit in most countries.

honestly... I had a scratchy throat all of last week... might have had it, might not... I may never know.
that's also what's so dangerous about it because even if you have barely any to absolutely zero symptoms you're still able to spread it and endanger people.

 

[Salmon Snake]

But isn't Xbox Series X held back, because Microsoft is supporting Xbox One?
On the other hand PS5 will have games just for the new generation?

 

[Goro Daimon 71113]

I have a question about Playstation 5. My english is a work in progress.

I heard that the Playstation 5 will come with only a hard disk of only 1 terabyte.

The XBOX One and Playstation 4 also come with a hard drive of just 1TB.

I was told by a friend that Microoft launched the XBOX One with a hard drive above 1 Terabyte and the video game had problems.

He said that hard drives over 1 terabyte give problems and a hard drive I bought had badblocks. I took it to the warranty for them to exchange and I'm waiting for a new hard drive.


The brand of my hard drive is Seagate. And in another forum many people reported problems with hard drives from seagate. Is this really true or is it fake?

 

[ph33rknot]

Less than my PC

Pc specs

 

[MadAnon]

I think people don't realise that performance scales better with higher clocks than more CUs. That's what Cerny was also explaining.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

yeah the testing situation is shit in most countries.

honestly... I had a scratchy throat all of last week... might have had it, might not... I may never know.
that's also what's so dangerous about it because even if you have barely any to absolutely zero symptoms you're still able to spread it and endanger people.

The throat I could deal with, its not an issue and already fading. Hell even the chest pains, they are fine. I mean it feels like your due a heart attack any second but yeah. It’s the shortness of breath that’s the killer for me? The best way to describe it is like when you’ve shelf your breath for ages and then gasp for air? Imagine that every breath. It’s awful, not too bad say down, but doing stuff? Ugh....

 

[lepermessiah]

Lol looks like MS were adamant about not repeating 2013, having said that, exclusives on ps5 are still going to be stronger, dat ssd will do some awesome things.

 

[ABrokenToy]

60% more of GDDR6, double the speed for SSD, higher CU Ghz. PS5 is a beast.

Smaller 256-Bit BUS, slower memory, high hertz is variable and will be peak and not sustainable.

 

[Maxwell House]

=|12.1−10.3|[(12.1+10.3)2]×100 = 16.0714% difference

XSeX is 12.155 TF constantly, no variable frequency, while PS5 is 10.28 TF at its absolute peak. I’d guess under real strain running the graphically best games, PS5 likely outputs closer to 9.2TF, while XSeX is a constant 12.155 TF, always. The variable frequency crap is a way to make PS5 not appear as underpowered.

 

[01011001]

But isn't Xbox Series X held back, because Microsoft is supporting Xbox One?
On the other hand PS5 will have games just for the new generation?

the Series X will also have games only on next gen if third party devs make games like that (most will still support ps4 and xbox one tho)
this is only an Xbox Game Studios thing and will most likely only be a handful of games that will be on both.

 

[vpance]

So is Sony aiming for 399 again? I think they are being much too conservative.

Out of all the specs, the bandwidth is the biggest disappointment, 448 for 4k/60 with RT? Bottlenecked before the gens even started.

Maybe the fancy compression will save them there?

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Concerning PS5 BC:

PushSquare: PS5's BC has fans baffled:


TechRadar: PS5 will be BC with "almost" all the PS4's best games:


Kotaku: PS5's BC Won't arrive all at once:


I know how I understood this: That at this point they're at almost 100 games for PS4 BC, but this is a very important subject. Most had assumed it would be BC with all PS4 games by virtue of the 36CU, if not with all PlayStation titles going back to PS1. Hopefully they will clarify to these news outlets, or on Twitter soon.

This is crazy. One of the reasons for the 36 CUs GPU would be to match the PS4 Pro count and facilitate BC.

An then this? Man, Sony went full Microsoft on Xbox One with this shit. The audio thingy is the Kinnect this generation and the crappy GPU is Sony's ESRAM.

But that's what happens when you focus only on price over everything else.

 

[Reindeer]

I honestly think they are more disappointed in the way it was delivered today.

If anyone wants to simply use TFs to measure a consoles success here again they are just fan boys looking to poke people.

Strange coming from you since you've been so engaged in these teraflop discussions.

 

[icerock]

I will let the games do the talking.

Yes sir, things will mellow down over coming weeks. And when we see next-gen games, we'll be back to memeing and posting dumb gifs along with hype trains.

There are much less differences than a PS4 pro and an Xbox one x

PS5
RAM 16GB GDDR6 RAM
Memory Bandwidth 16GB 448GB/s
CPU 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.5HGz
GPU 10.28 Teraflops, 36 CUs at 2.23GHz
Video Output 4K, 120hz refresh rate, 8K Support
Data Transfer Speed 5.5GB/S (Raw), 9GB/S (Compressed)
Storage Custom 825GB SSD Storage Drive

Xbox s X

16 GB GDDR6 RAM
10GB at 560GB/s, 6GB at 335GB/s
8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.8GHz (3.6GHz with SMT)
12 Teraflops, 52 CUs at 1.825GHz
native 4K, 8K Support, Up to 120hz
2.4gB/s (Raw), 4.8GB/s (Compressed)
1 TB NVMe SSD Storage Drive

When you look at those specs side by side, you can't help but feel the difference between BoM would be marginal at best.

However, Sony has no option but to eat a bigger loss at launch. Can't launch a weaker SKU at same price as your competitor. One positive to come out of today is possibly a PS5 @$399 or $449.

Make me wonder if you're going to see some enhanced versions of PS4 games on the PS5.

Most of that and including here are fanboys wanting console wars or people had way too high of unrealistic expectations.

And being told Ghost of Tsushima gets a day 0 PS5 patch looks like a lot of people will miss out on a great system.

Oh we most definitely will, question is if they provide it free of cost or not. I can't help but feel with MS pushing BC compatibility the way they are (HDR support and higher res), Sony would've no option but to give them away for free in order to garner some goodwill.

 

[David Ricardo]

No, this is a learning experience for all. People need to start filtering the leaks they get and leakers need to learn that not everything they get second hand is true. I know this from experience, difference is that i keep it to myself.

Back on point, i'm just saying that his behavior is pretty obvious...

We also need to learn that fake insiders are allowed in neogaf and seing someone vetted here doesn't mean he knows anything.

 

[Md Ray]

What a lot of BS.

Why?

 

[MarkMe2525]

It's 16% when you do the math.
it's 12/10.3 = 1.16504854369
Or in layman's terms 1.16x or 16%.

It's 12.15

 

[Thedtrain]

I’m Happy with the specs of the ps5

I’m impressed with the specs of the xsx
Going to be a great gen

 

[David Ricardo]

I also expect them to be almost identical in price.

Sony's SSD seems pricey, also their SOC is not that much smaller, meaning they'll maybe pay 20 bucks less for each.

I expect both to be 499€
the only way the prices might differentiate is if one of them takes a considerably bigger loss with each system than the other.

They gave aways 2 teraflops for 20 bucks. Their SOC choice is so retarded. Why would they do it? For backwards compatibility?

 

[CrustyBritches]

This is crazy. One of the reasons for the 36 CUs GPU would be to match the PS4 Pro count and facilitate BC.

This was the premise of many people's assumption as to why PS5 would be 36CU as far back as middle of last year. It's perplexing, but we'll just have to wait for clarification.

 

[Reindeer]

Why?

Because they were misleading us to think that PS5 was more than it is, there was even one dev who brushed Xbox aside and said he's more excited for PS5.

 

[xool]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...s-and-tech-that-deliver-sonys-next-gen-vision

Any fucking idea of what all that shit about GPU high clocks means?

Yeah it means they're running upclocked until the thermal sensors start flashing red, then they back off the clocks a bit so it doesn't overheat

.. literally

 

[Darius87]

I think people don't realise that performance scales better with higher clocks than more CUs. That's what Cerny was also explaining.

no practicaly higher cu count has better performance what cerny said that it's easier to utilize less cu's to full potential and clocking higher also gives advantage to other gpu parts.

 

[CJY]

People saying PS5 is for 2019 and XboxSX is built for the future are silly. Give it another 7 years and we may well be close to 100TF GPUs in consoles. Fact is, in today's society, hardly any tech is future-proof.

Price vs Performance is what matters most in a console and hitting maximum performance within their desired target price. Not raw performance. It has never been about raw performance.

The one time Sony went for raw power, they ended up with PS3.

Literally all Sony have to do is wait for Xbox to reveal their price and undercut them. They are almost guaranteed to win.

Granted, Xbox SX might come in at $399, then Sony might be in trouble. Point is, price is probably the single most important thing for a mass-market console and Sony knows this better than anyone. MS probably also know this and are not interested in eating massive losses so they went with more power.

I can definitely see Xbox SX being $499 and PS5 being $399. That's a 25% price delta for an ~18% GPU performance delta.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Enjoy playing minecraft with Raytracing

That actually sounds awesome

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Well well well, looks like HeisenbergFX4 @OsirisBlack Gavin Stevens were all wrong? WOW!!

Jason's "aiming to beat 10.7 TFs" was kinda wrong for PS5.
Kleegamefan was wrong as well.
VFX Veteran was wrong as well.

WTF happened LMAO!!
It seems like Sony was really secretive, but hey whatever, we sure had fun talking and nagging and had fun in the end.

Also thicc_girls_are_teh_best was right when he said GitHub has something to it, your profile picture though LOL!!

xD TBF I only was convinced with Github when a pattern started coming about, and some of the other stuff (Ariel iGPU testlists, etc.) I read from other people on places like Beyond3D. None of that stuff was iron-proof btw.

But it's like this: I strongly doubt any insiders had a goal to intentionally mislead or lie, except maybe Tommy (and that's just with the PS5 side of things). They are messengers at the end of the day tho, and they can't control their sources. Then you had people who were obviously just BSing making up random Reddit and 4Chan posts clouding up everything.

I don't think anyone should be attacking the insiders tbh, because they were still right about the SSD. They were still right about some of the software stuff, both already confirmed and potentially coming up (like the Sony/Konami thing). So they were not wrong about everything. It's kinda unfair to use the TF misguess against them as if they never got anything else right.

It just happens that in terms of most specs outside of SSD, the Github info and testing data was closest to being correct. That's all it really means, it was a 50/50 crapshoot and the insiders could've ended up right on that if things played out differently. Or both the insiders and Komachi/Rogame/Cartman etc. could've been wrong and we got like 11TF PS5 (because I think only Heisenberg actually indicated something like that, and O'dium kind of with 11.6).

Fun part tho is we get to do ALL of this again in another 2 years

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Also lemme plug real quick the pic is Gaby Vega Fitness check her Insta you will not be disappointed

 

[Agnostic2020]

Smaller 256-Bit BUS, slower memory, high hertz is variable and will be peak and not sustainable.

Eh they will both hit the same performance target from 3rd parties with maybe dynamic res dropping 10 % more on ps5 .