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PS5 seems more balanced than Xbox One Series X
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CJY
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Xbois... you like that? hahaha
I truly ain't salty man. Does it bother me when someone else has a better graphics card than me? No, I don't care. I could buy a better card if I wanted. There's nothing exclusive about it.
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SleepDoctor
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I said awhile ago this gen will be about services/subscriptions more than anything. Both are starting to dip into the pc market now.
Performance will be great on both. Look at what we got on Ps4 with 1.8 tf. Fanboys are just having meltdowns tho.
CJY
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I'm still curious about how all Xbox games needing to be on PC and Xbone will affect their 1st party games going forward though. I think that is a serious limiting factor next gen.
ChoosableOne
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Op is afraid that "xbox" will turn to the dark side.
SleepDoctor
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Thats how I looked at it when it first started but apparently they were onto something with dipping into the pc market. Seeing as Sony has Death Stranding and Horizon now on the way, plus more to follow as per rumors.
Exclusives have always been the main thing to separate the consoles from each other besides the controller but now it seems it will be more about Game pass vs Ps now, rather than exclusives.
it_wasn't_me
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Btw. difference is smaller now than between X1 and PS4. So, no, it won'tne far better
Dlacy13g
Member
I just about spit my drink seeing this topics headline. Brings me back to 2013, MS talking about Xbox One being a more balanced approach and how this and many other forums shit all over that concept (Rightfully so). Seeing that being now used as a positive PS5 argument is just comical to me. We have come full circle it seems.
Rightisright
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Because they would have said so. MS have been pushing VRS almost as hard as RT. If Sony had it they would have taken the 2 seconds it would have taken to say they did. Its a big time feature, and it would have taken a little bit of wind out of MS s sails if they had it as well.
MS have their own patented version of VRS, while Sony doesn't. Sony would have had to pay AMD to get access to their version of it, and I guess they didnt want to pay for it.
Maybe the AMD version isnt that good, so wasnt worth it, while maybe MSs version is better, who knows.
But, no, PS5 doesn't have VRS at this point.
HeadsUp7Up
Member
Man some folks wrap wayyy too much of their identity up in video game consoles made by billion dollar corporations. I’m as much of a fan as anybody but some of y’all stan way too hard for this stuff. Get a grip.
CJY
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I just feel resolution matters a lot less now than at the beginning of this gen. People might try to say I'm moving the goalposts, but all I wanted this gen was at least 1080P, that's why TFlops mattered this gen. I personally never cared about TFlops as a way to feel superior to the competition. TFlops are a means to achieving an end goal of realising a baseline resolution for me, and this goal was accomplished with PS4 so I was happy.
Now for next gen, i'm sure we'll get 4K as standard with PS5, but I really don't care as much because I can't tell the difference between 1080P and 4K when sitting at a normal distance from my TV. Up close, sure, there's a huge difference, but sitting on my couch, I couldn't see the difference with GoW, so that's why i played in 1080P on my 4K screen. That's why TFlops don't matter to me this upcoming gen, new game experiences and tech that can push the boundaries of what's possible do.
Will I care if a game drops down to 1800P from 2160P? no. Even XSX games will do this if they are truly pushing the system to its limits.
Locked/consistent framerates are far more important than resolution anyway and it could be argued that the higher clock has a better chance of maintaining high framerates than lower ones, but with VRR next gen, framerates also don't matter as much.
Conclusion: TFlops don't matter.
Now for next gen, i'm sure we'll get 4K as standard with PS5, but I really don't care as much because I can't tell the difference between 1080P and 4K when sitting at a normal distance from my TV. Up close, sure, there's a huge difference, but sitting on my couch, I couldn't see the difference with GoW, so that's why i played in 1080P on my 4K screen. That's why TFlops don't matter to me this upcoming gen, new game experiences and tech that can push the boundaries of what's possible do.
Will I care if a game drops down to 1800P from 2160P? no. Even XSX games will do this if they are truly pushing the system to its limits.
Locked/consistent framerates are far more important than resolution anyway and it could be argued that the higher clock has a better chance of maintaining high framerates than lower ones, but with VRR next gen, framerates also don't matter as much.
Conclusion: TFlops don't matter.
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I can't get in the mindset of someone who chooses one side or the other like it is a war. I personally like videogames so why limit yourself because of the platform? I get having a preference for sure but how can you be a video game fan and turn your noise up at games just because of a system you are not emotionally attached to? Silliness
Sounds like "POWER OF THE CLOUD" 7 years ago.
LMJ
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Can we really make any arguments like this yet? Both next gen systems are in tech talks and hands on only
I personally think Sonys SSD will be VERY exciting, and cant wait to see if it changes the way we currently play games as many devs are boasting about
The XseX on the other hand seems like a beautifully designed system that has legacy support as a driving function, this too has me giddy.
Time will tell if the power deficiency rears its head for the PS, or if the PSV's fancy tech can make up for those shortcomings
Can't wait for the upcoming reveal trailers were they actually show the software, in Bells and whistles not to mention of course the games
I personally think Sonys SSD will be VERY exciting, and cant wait to see if it changes the way we currently play games as many devs are boasting about
The XseX on the other hand seems like a beautifully designed system that has legacy support as a driving function, this too has me giddy.
Time will tell if the power deficiency rears its head for the PS, or if the PSV's fancy tech can make up for those shortcomings
Can't wait for the upcoming reveal trailers were they actually show the software, in Bells and whistles not to mention of course the games
oldergamer
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Actually you should check out some
Those are features that ms has a patent on
it_wasn't_me
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Reading Schreier's comment, it would be fun.
wordslaughter
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Next Gen the PS5 gets to be as "balanced" as the base Xbox One was
Zannegan
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When I saw the title, I honestly thought this was going to be a sendup/flip/copypasta of those Xbox 1 "balanced" and "workmanlike" posts from early current gen Xbox fanboys.
Silly me.
Silly me.
This person knows what I'm talking about.Next Gen the PS5 gets to be as "balanced" as the base Xbox One was
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SenjutsuSage
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It's already confirmed Series X has a dedicated audio chip.
OP, it really isn't. Just because Microsoft went for a more powerful system all around people seem to be misconstruing that power as being achieved through some kind of brute method when nothing could be further from the truth based on all the information we currently possess. All one need do is look what Microsoft has done with their own I/O and storage setup with their Velocity Architecture to see that a whole lot of careful thought went into the design of the system. What's more balanced than having a pure 8 core mode that performs at a rock solid, locked 3.8GHz while also offering an 8 core 16 thread mode also at a locked 3.6GHZ? And a GPU that never dips regardless of how the CPU is performing?
The PS5's power and variable clock speed situation with its GPU and CPU appear far more out of balance than the Series X setup does.
The most exciting aspect of the PS5 is it's SSD and overall I/O performance, which I really do believe is legitimately game changing. People should be able to acknowledge that much without trying to spin the overall system as something it quite obviously isn't next to the Series X. Playstation 5 will be a fantastic system, an incredible games machine. We saw what their top studios did on 1.8TF. With PS5 we have potential up to 10.28TF and wherver the lower end of the spectrum for the performance of the GPU is. I tend to believe it's going to hover more in the low 9ish range, but Sony doesn't want to say where that baseline truly is for obvious reasons.
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itsjustJEFF
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One set of Faboys are putting up the shields and finding cave to hide in. Another set are putting up their war paint, sharpening their weapons, and making signs. LOL
Andodalf
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Always love the, LOOK HOW GOOD 1.8TF WAS!
followed by, 1.8TF IS NOTHING ITS BASICALLY THE SAME!
The XSX does have a dedicated Audio chip and does 3D audio as well. This was said in the reveal.
Mista
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You're as clueless by the way.
Mista
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Who the fuck is that to begin with?I'm the warrior? With this post.
X is one whole PS4 more powerful at PS5 s highest boost
How can anyone say the Series X is more balanced when nobody on the planet has a tv cabinet that will fit that ginormous thing and it will likely be $200 or more expensive? And what does Series X got to show for it? 15% More gpu power that will result in a slight resolution bumb that hardly anyone will notice when playing on a tv. Nobody cares about resolution, people want new experiences that take a leap from what we've seen before. Which is exactly what Sony main focus was with their design.
The ps5 is banking on tech that can potentially revolutionize the entire concept of level design. Maybe not all 3rd party developers will make good use of it but at the very least we'll see ps5 exclusives that'll be able to do stuff with their level design that the Series X cannot. Meanwhile Series X's exclusives will be cross-gen with the 1,3 Tflops Xbox One for the first 2 years and the remainder of the next console generation, they'll be held back by the 4Tflops Lockhart...
People are now so focused on the Tflops that they forgot what kind of weird and terrible decisions MS has been making going into next gen. The only thing Sony messed up was this presentation as it was obviously not meant for the average joe. However, if they showed some sort of tech demo of what the SSD tech can actually do, Series X running Gears 5 in ultra settings would probably have looked boring as shit in comparison.
The ps5 is banking on tech that can potentially revolutionize the entire concept of level design. Maybe not all 3rd party developers will make good use of it but at the very least we'll see ps5 exclusives that'll be able to do stuff with their level design that the Series X cannot. Meanwhile Series X's exclusives will be cross-gen with the 1,3 Tflops Xbox One for the first 2 years and the remainder of the next console generation, they'll be held back by the 4Tflops Lockhart...
People are now so focused on the Tflops that they forgot what kind of weird and terrible decisions MS has been making going into next gen. The only thing Sony messed up was this presentation as it was obviously not meant for the average joe. However, if they showed some sort of tech demo of what the SSD tech can actually do, Series X running Gears 5 in ultra settings would probably have looked boring as shit in comparison.
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StreetsofBeige
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Considering that Ready at Dawn guy made a canned game which was all about graphics, he should be the first person putting up his hand for more power. What's another game like Order 1886: The Sequel, going to do with more SSD bandwidth and 3D audio?
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Mista
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Neur4lN01s3
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yes, because Microsoft is so stupid to give memory to CPU and to OS services, while PS5 doesn't need an OS or a working CPU. Lol.
congrats for IQ
They both need to access memory and reserve some for OS operations. The only difference is PS5's access is consistent across the board. I wouldn't put too much stock into this being any kind of advantage for PS5.
Proelite
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PS5's Achille's heel is the 448GB/s bw. I wonder why they downgraded from 512+GB/s. I think Sony Japan overruled Sony USA due to pricing concerns.
To a certain extent bw is going to be the main bottleneck for both's systems, just more pronounced on PS5 due to narrow and fast design.
The dram pricing really fucked things up. Xsx would have had faster memory too.
To a certain extent bw is going to be the main bottleneck for both's systems, just more pronounced on PS5 due to narrow and fast design.
The dram pricing really fucked things up. Xsx would have had faster memory too.
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Neur4lN01s3
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actually is negative, PS5 have less bandwidh for gpu, and memory is connected with a 256 bit bus, XSX have faster GPU access and the memory is connected with a faster 320bit bus. PS5 have the same amout of memory, for gpu+cpu, it's only slower, with a slower data bus
Bankai
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Hey, you can't say that! Having the same avatar as me and all.
It's not too late bro, we are brothers.
Shin
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That's the joke.
MilkyJoe
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Never in my wildest dreams did I think one of them would fuck it up after the 2013 disaster.
Actually it's exactly what I said it is. PS5's memory access is consistent. Xbox Series X is not. Not sure how else to say it, and like I said there is nothing wrong with this. It was likely a compromise to control costs on Xbox Series X.
10GB - 320bit (560GB/s)
6GB - 192bit (336GB/s)
16GB - 256bit (448GB/s)
SentientStone
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Neur4lN01s3
Neophyte
yes is consistently SLOWER on a slower data bus
PS5 gpu 448 GB/s
XSX gpu 560 GB/s
PS5 data bus 256 bit
XSX data bus 320 bit
faster is better than consistent
but sometimes faster and consistent happens at same time, as GPU TFLops and CPU speed in XSX, while Ps5 have inconsistent speed on CPU and GPU while being at the same time slower
Sweet. So what does that have to do with PS5 having a consistent memory access speed across 16GB of GDDR6 and Xbox Series X not?
Physiognomonics
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No, they'll probably say it's the developer's fault (dictator from DF already said that they would say this if any game run better on PS5). They are not even trying to hide their bias.lol Ok warrior. We will will see how far that “extra power” goes when DF (who has already come out and shit all over the stupid ass TF debate) starts doing their comparisons and oh shit, the XSX really isn’t more powerful than PS5 that the fanboys keep saying! I’ll listen to people actually in the industry and not a bunch of manchildren on GAF all jerking each other off because they got their asses spanked by the PS4 for 7 years.
Neur4lN01s3
Neophyte
understanding that consistent slower speed is not useful. faster memory is A LOT useful for raytracing and foating operations, is clear now?
MilkyJoe
Member
Sure thing. So now that you understand that PS5 can access all of its 16GB of GDDR6 at 448GB/s and Xbox Series X can't access all of its 16GB of GDDR6 at 560GB/s (10GB @ 560GB/s, 6GB @ 336GB/s) we can move on.
sendit
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Agreed. However, you got one figure wrong which is the bandwidth of the XSX.
It is actually 560 (10GB pool) + 336 (6GB pool) = 896 GB.
This is almost double the bandwidth of the PS5s unified memory pool.