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[Dr.Guru of Peru]

I would like to explain Italy to people. I will preface by saying this information comes from a doctor.

Italy's problem is socialized medicine. If you are a smart Italian doctor you leave Italy to go work in a country where you can make more money. This is actually what happens in every county with socialized medicine. The best and the brightest leave because they don't want to work for pennies. This is especially bad in Italy because their economy isn't the best to begin with.

So Italy is doing its best with the b team of under paid doctors and nurses in a country that can barely afford basic healthcare for its citizens.

Meanwhile the US has the best doctors in the world and a well funded private healthcare system that while not fair for poor people is better than any where else in the world.

When people say the American healthcare system is bad they are not taking about quality, they are talking about access. There is a reason wealthy people come to the US for serious medical treatment after all.

Socialized medicine is ok for normal stuff but it gets exposed during crisis for obvious reasons.

But what about Germany you ask?
Germany is hiding their numbers because if someone dies with coronavirus and they have comorbidities they report the comorbidities as the cause if death. That is why their death rate is so low.

I don't think anyone has questioned the quality of the Italian health care.
This is a pandemic, there is no cure for this virus, the treatment is purely supportive. It will be controlled with public health measures not with having an "a team" of doctors (whatever that means).
Using this to push your political agenda seems like bad form, especially since its still early days for the USA outbreak. Who knows what the US numbers will look like in a few weeks.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

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[Sub_Level]

Socialized medicine is ok for normal stuff but it gets exposed during crisis for obvious reasons.

Wat. Amidst this crisis, the government is subsidizing health payments and is straight up about to send checks to people.

If anything its the other way around. Profit-driven healthcare is fine for normal stuff but for a crisis like this, the government steps in.

 

[SushiReese]

At this rate. U.S confirmed cases would be suppress 30000+ by the end of weekend, NY could conduct more testings so we see a drop in the fatality rate from 3% to 1.9%, if any other state's fatality rate is higher than 2 %, that means that state is not testing enough,

 

[Deleted member 17706]

The rate (percentage) may be constant, but because it is a percentage, the growth is not linear.

For example 1-2-3-4-5-6 is a growth rate of 1 person

But assume a growth rate of 100%...that sequence becomes
1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512-1024

The rate of 100% is unchanged, however.

I understand that, but what I'm saying is that no matter how many people are being tested, there doesn't seem to be a dramatic increase in the ratio of positive to negative results, unless I'm missing something.

In your example of 100% growth rate in which the total number of infected doubles every day with a hypothetical population of 1000 in which everyone is tested every day, isn't this how it would break down?

Day 1: 1/1000 infected = 0.1% of population (0.1% new infection rate)
Day 2: 2/1000 infected = 0.2% of population (0.1% new infection rate)
Day 3: 4/1000 infected = 0.4% of population (0.2% new infection rate)
Day 4: 16/1000 infected = 1.6% of population (1.2% new infection rate)
Day 5: 32/1000 infected = 3.2% of population (1.6% new infection rate)
Day 6: 64/1000 infected = 6.4% of population (3.2% new infection rate)
Day 7: 128/1000 infected = 12.8% of population (6.4% new infection rate)
Day 8: 256/1000 infected = 25.6% of population (12.8% new infection rate)
Day 9: 512/1000 infected = 51.2% of population (25.6% new infection rate)

While obviously the real world will never mirror this and the same group of people are not being tested every day, but wouldn't we still need to see a similar kind of climb in "new infection rate" (positive to negative ratio for tests performed that day) for the total numbers to also be growing exponentially?

Hopefully someone smarter about this stuff can take the time to explain it.

 

[Ornlu]

Wat. Amidst this crisis, the government is subsidizing health payments and is straight up about to send checks to people.

If anything its the other way around. Profit-driven healthcare is fine for normal stuff but for a crisis like this, the government steps in.

Which is what you want, really; something needs to generate the $$$ needed for the times when the State has to step in during a crisis.

 

[Ornlu]

People who are concerned with a world economic collapse should really step up and justify this idea?
China and Korea seemed to have handled things well. Chinese production is opening back up and apparently even apple stores in China.
This quarantine is a short term thing, the initial phase will be stringent and business will suffer, but that's what unemployment insurance is for. The government is going to bail people out with money for food and basic needs. So where is this doomsday scenario of full economic collapse - we are far away from that, and depressions/recessions have happened before. You think government racking up a deficit is a problem? Where were you folks when the cheddar cheese burrito cut taxes for the rich and created a spaceforce, racking up more than 1 trillion in new debt?

Second, if you do nothing, you overwhelm the hospital system. You may get enough doctors sick that many hospitals won't even be able to function. This will be true choas. You can have all the health insurance you want, but if no hospital or doctor can service you, good luck getting critical care.

This is not a "oh it's just X people, what's the big deal", it's not clear if it will be 0.1% of the population, 1%, 10%, or whatever. It's not clear whether if we don't squash this thing now, it won't come back in full force during the fall. Also the ~65 crowd are some of the most world renowned researchers and professors. The death rate in the 50-60 category is also nothing to be laughed at. Lot of human capital there, certainly more than some 20-30 year old ignorant shmucks posting on a gaming board about how we should just let a whole bunch of people die because i need to save for muh iphone.

Get a grip.

Your wall of text rants remain unhinged, regardless of topic. Nobody was advocating for the strawman in your post.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Well that's fucked... I'd like to think it's because those are the only vehicles they had quick access to, but surely they could have removed the gun mounts? Maybe it's not that easy.

 

[MastAndo]

Wait a minute, does this not strike anyone as being bizarre? What's the reason for having a generous death coding system, and how would it not grossly inflate the numbers? What am I missing?...or is like when a person with AIDS dies of say, a pneumonia , the cause of death is still AIDS?

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Wait a minute, does this not strike anyone as being bizarre? What's the reason for having a generous death coding system, and how would it not grossly inflate the numbers? What am I missing?...or is like when a person with AIDS dies of say, a pneumonia , the cause of death is still AIDS?

It doesn't make sense. Something is lost in translation.

 

[nush]

Well that's fucked... I'd like to think it's because those are the only vehicles they had quick access to, but surely they could have removed the gun mounts? Maybe it's not that easy.

They might want to use them. That last roll of TP could cause a riot.

 

[Alx]

Wait a minute, does this not strike anyone as being bizarre? What's the reason for having a generous death coding system, and how would it not grossly inflate the numbers? What am I missing?...or is like when a person with AIDS dies of say, a pneumonia , the cause of death is still AIDS?

Well technically all victims of AIDS die from another disease (pneumonia being a common one). AIDS creates the deficiencies in your system that allows those diseases to kill you.

 

[SushiReese]

Other states need to follow NY on conducting testings,especially California, Washington and Florida.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Well technically all victims of AIDS die from another disease (pneumonia being a common one). AIDS creates the deficiencies in your system that allows those diseases to kill you.

The thing posted earlier made it sound like anyone who dies in the hospital for whatever reason is just being marked down as Corona being their cause of death. Like if a dude with a stab wound showed up and died in the emergency room because no one could get to him, he'd be marked down as a Corona casualty. I'm hoping that's not the case.

 

[MastAndo]

The thing posted earlier made it sound like anyone who dies in the hospital for whatever reason is just being marked down as Corona being their cause of death. Like if a dude with a stab wound showed up and died in the emergency room because no one could get to him, he'd be marked down as a Corona casualty. I'm hoping that's not the case.

Yeah, I think it's just the wording. I read it the same way you did, but I believe they mean it like complications caused by the Corona leading to death is still a Corona-related death, which makes sense. Any other explanation , like the example you gave, would just not make much sense at all.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I wonder how many people are all about washing their hands now but don’t bother washing their phones.

phones can get pretty grimey after awhile

wash dem screens too

 

[Red-N-Gold]

I would like to explain Italy to people. I will preface by saying this information comes from a doctor.

Italy's problem is socialized medicine. If you are a smart Italian doctor you leave Italy to go work in a country where you can make more money. This is actually what happens in every county with socialized medicine. The best and the brightest leave because they don't want to work for pennies. This is especially bad in Italy because their economy isn't the best to begin with.

So Italy is doing its best with the b team of under paid doctors and nurses in a country that can barely afford basic healthcare for its citizens.

Meanwhile the US has the best doctors in the world and a well funded private healthcare system that while not fair for poor people is better than any where else in the world.

When people say the American healthcare system is bad they are not taking about quality, they are talking about access. There is a reason wealthy people come to the US for serious medical treatment after all.

Socialized medicine is ok for normal stuff but it gets exposed during crisis for obvious reasons.

But what about Germany you ask?
Germany is hiding their numbers because if someone dies with coronavirus and they have comorbidities they report the comorbidities as the cause if death. That is why their death rate is so low.

Sounds Ike America just needs to socialize their Healthcare and then Italian doctors wouldn't leave anymore!

 

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[cryptoadam]

The thing posted earlier made it sound like anyone who dies in the hospital for whatever reason is just being marked down as Corona being their cause of death. Like if a dude with a stab wound showed up and died in the emergency room because no one could get to him, he'd be marked down as a Corona casualty. I'm hoping that's not the case.

I don't think thats the case.

Its more like if you were 90 and had heart disease and were living on oxygen and then you got corona and died they would list it as Cronoa, even though there is a good chance that a cold or flu would of taken you out too.

Now OTOH people with diabites and Corona that die are listed as Corona. Most diabetcs probably aren't dying from a flu/cold, but they are for sure at higher risk.

A lot of these people could of died anyways, but Corona just speed it up. By how much well no one knows that.

 

[jufonuk]

My aunt told me an old neighbour of hers had it. He is 56 been doing chemotherapy. Went into hospital and made a recovery and is out. The was in the U.K.

 

[Smaller than Atom]

Oh god there are cops telling people get in their homes.
https://www.24sata.hr/news/policija-po-zagrebu-upozorava-idite-kuci-nastupa-karantena-682476
Yeah, let's remove all the freedoms and ruin the economy because some old boomers are in danger.
Awesome, really fucking awesome.

You guys just went from 18000 cases this afternoon to over 24000 now. That's why. You're going to figure out the hard way.

 

[cryptoadam]

Well at least on positive, compared to its just the flu bro at least child deaths are not comparable.

According to CDC 149 kids have died so far, 5 just this past week.

Thankfully for some reason Corona Chan doesnt like children.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Well at least on positive, compared to its just the flu bro at least child deaths are not comparable.

According to CDC 149 kids have died so far, 5 just this past week.

Thankfully for some reason Corona Chan doesnt like children.

Corona Chan the Anti Pedophile disease? Just the flu confirmed pedophile?

 

[poppabk]

CDC "There is going to be a spike in confirmed cases in the next couple of days because of a huge increase in test capacity and eating through a few weeks backlog in just a few days"

Everyone in the next couple of days: "ALL THESE NEW CASES IN JUST A FEW DAYS! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!"

People are smarter than this......

Holy shit +1000 cases in one day in NYC this is getting hairy.

Nevermind

 

[cryptoadam]

Corona Chan the Anti Pedophile disease? Just the flu confirmed pedophile?

I heard just the flu was either a priest or worked at Penn State.

 

[cryptoadam]

Speaking of its just the flu bro CDC says 65.1 per 100K hospitilization rate for the flu.

I wonder what its like for Corona Chan. In Italy it must be a pretty astronomical number.

 

[Lanrutcon]

I wonder how many people are all about washing their hands now but don’t bother washing their phones.

phones can get pretty grimey after awhile

wash dem screens too

I took out the space bar from my work keyboard once.

The tiny civilisation beneath greeted me as their sky god. They held festivals in their mushroom forests, and built tiny temples in my name out of fingernail clippings.

 

[Joe T.]

You guys just went from 18000 cases this afternoon to over 24000 now. That's why. You're going to figure out the hard way.

There's no reason to link the number of cases to the reasoning behind police enforcement. The same happened in Quebec as I think was pointed out earlier in the thread. There was a case in Kentucky a few days ago, too.

 

[Breakage]

Doctors warn coronavirus could overwhelm NHS ‘within weeks’
Intensive care audit shows sharp rise in admissions to critical care as London hospitals struggle to cope

Doctors warn coronavirus could overwhelm NHS ‘within weeks’

Intensive care audit shows sharp rise in admissions to critical care as London hospitals struggle to cope

www.theguardian.com

Makes me wonder if we're gonna start seeing death counts rivalling Italy.

 

[Nvzman]

People seem to be dismissing how debilitated people recovering actually are. Even young people who get it, are suffering significant lung damage. Seems even young people aren't able to breathe when their lungs fill with fluid either.

It's not just about the mortality figures.

Are you sure about this? I think every United states recovery that has occured so far has been explicitly stated to be a full recovery, even saying back to their normal lives. Maybe in severe cases yes, but theres a lot of evidence to prove otherwise.

 

[TheSadRanger]

Why the fuck are people still going outside and grouping up?

If I go outside or go a store I'm basically playing Metal Gear Solid in real life to avoid people.

 

[cryptoadam]

Doctors warn coronavirus could overwhelm NHS ‘within weeks’
Intensive care audit shows sharp rise in admissions to critical care as London hospitals struggle to cope

Doctors warn coronavirus could overwhelm NHS ‘within weeks’

Intensive care audit shows sharp rise in admissions to critical care as London hospitals struggle to cope

www.theguardian.com

Makes me wonder if we're gonna start seeing death counts rivalling Italy.

UK is on track with Italy right now. If you check the charts at 5K they both had about the same deaths.

So unless UK slows down their deaths then its highly probably that they will be an Italy v2. Spain and France are nipping on their heels.

US right now though is way behind. Italy had 1400 deaths at this point, USA still sitting >300 (until later tonight that is of course).

 

[Sybrix]

Why the fuck are people still going outside and grouping up?

If I go outside or go a store I'm basically playing Metal Gear Solid in real life to avoid people.

Are you working from home or not working?

 

[autoduelist]

Having lived in NYC, it's inevitable they will have a lot of cases. Subway cars were spreading this for days, if not weeks, before people started paying attention in large numbers. Many bodegas have food laid out buffet style.

Regarding trucks with 50 cal guns, etc.... you bring what you have nearby, and you overestimate. We are dealing with a pandemic, possible food shortages, possible health care system breaking down, possible rationing, and plenty of families going stir crazy with apartments smaller than some people's bedroom. The National Guard would be insane not to prepare for worst case scenario.

For example, say they determine rationing must occur, or set up emergency food lines. You need to guard this. You need to be able to prevent looting and rioting.

It is far better to scare people away with visible force than use hidden force to stop looting once it happens.

I have a lot of friends and family there. They will get through it. When the blackouts hit [I was still there], NYC came together. It will now, too... just a little less hugging.

 

[Joe T.]

Might have missed it, but has anyone been able to verify this story or if the Japanese source reporting it is reliable:

 

[Cunth]

Can’t have new cases if not testing. Genius. China don’t give a fuck. A few million dead don’t mean shit to them

 

[cryptoadam]

China is setting the stage right now for wave 2

No new cases in Wuhan.

All cases from outside the country

Wave 2 happens.

Blame it on international travelers bringing the virus into the country.

Successfully switch the narrative so everyone forgets wave 1 and China now says its a victim of the Western Virus.

See we had no cases and then because of travelers from the West we have an outbreak. Its all the West and US fault not innocent China.

China has been reporting no local cases for a while now and been sure that any other cases are known to be from foreigners. Their learning, their adapting.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Looking like another 30K+ case day, not sure we'll see 35,000 though, so maybe not a huge increase? I wonder if there is less testing done since it's a weekend.

 

[hariseldon]

Looking like another 30K+ case day, not sure we'll see 35,000 though, so maybe not a huge increase? I wonder if there is less testing done since it's a weekend.

I think last weekend was quieter too so you may be right.

 

[rykomatsu]

I understand that, but what I'm saying is that no matter how many people are being tested, there doesn't seem to be a dramatic increase in the ratio of positive to negative results, unless I'm missing something.

In your example of 100% growth rate in which the total number of infected doubles every day with a hypothetical population of 1000 in which everyone is tested every day, isn't this how it would break down?

Day 1: 1/1000 infected = 0.1% of population (0.1% new infection rate)
Day 2: 2/1000 infected = 0.2% of population (0.1% new infection rate)
Day 3: 4/1000 infected = 0.4% of population (0.2% new infection rate)
Day 4: 16/1000 infected = 1.6% of population (1.2% new infection rate)
Day 5: 32/1000 infected = 3.2% of population (1.6% new infection rate)
Day 6: 64/1000 infected = 6.4% of population (3.2% new infection rate)
Day 7: 128/1000 infected = 12.8% of population (6.4% new infection rate)
Day 8: 256/1000 infected = 25.6% of population (12.8% new infection rate)
Day 9: 512/1000 infected = 51.2% of population (25.6% new infection rate)

While obviously the real world will never mirror this and the same group of people are not being tested every day, but wouldn't we still need to see a similar kind of climb in "new infection rate" (positive to negative ratio for tests performed that day) for the total numbers to also be growing exponentially?

Hopefully someone smarter about this stuff can take the time to explain it.

Ah ok, I get your question now - I think I can partially answer.

Just because the number of infected SARS-CoV-2 population increases, doesn't mean population being infected with other pathogens presenting similar symptoms decrease. So, the influenza viruses will continue to infect people, so will rhinoviruses, etc. Also, what other thing is (relatively) seasonal in nature and can present with similar symptoms at this time of year? Spring time, pollen allergies! Exposure to allergens will be far higher than exposure to SARS-CoV-2 due to pollen being everywhere. So, while the rate of infection of influenza is lower than SARS-CoV-2, you likely have a huge population starting to show signs of allergies and out of abundance of caution, they get tested - I suspect cases of allergies presenting will make up for influenza / rhinovirus infections starting to taper down as we get into the warmer months.

 

[rykomatsu]

At this rate. U.S confirmed cases would be suppress 30000+ by the end of weekend, NY could conduct more testings so we see a drop in the fatality rate from 3% to 1.9%, if any other state's fatality rate is higher than 2 %, that means that state is not testing enough,

Do you have a URL you can share for this?

 

[Pantz]

Saw a couple going for a walk down the road today wearing medical masks. It's a rural road outside the city with not much traffic and rarely any other walkers. Pretty pathetic when medical workers need those. At least they won't catch it from the trees and fresh air.

 

[Forsete]

Swedish state epidemiologists Anders Tegnell said two days ago that the factual spread in the country could be 100 000+. Officially it is just 1764 confirmed infected and 20 deaths.

 

[Malakhov]

Got my covid test tomorrow morning then will have to wait 24 to 48 hours to know if it's positive or negative.

 

[Lanrutcon]

Got my covid test tomorrow morning then will have to wait 24 to 48 hours to know if it's positive or negative.

GL bro!

 

[TheSadRanger]

Are you working from home or not working?

I'm now unemployed thanks to corona chan. However I've thought of doing deliveries. IDK I'll figure something out.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I'm now unemployed thanks to corona chan. However I've thought of doing deliveries. IDK I'll figure something out.

That really sucks. Sorry to hear this.

 

[Malakhov]

GL bro!

Thank you!

Im not nervous though, if it is covid then fine ill deal with it.

I just want this to be done to be honest. Right now I cant see my kids and my lungs are burning so I probably need antibiotics if it isnt covid so I can heal this thing...

 

[rykomatsu]

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Looks like Japan - it's a long line that's actually orderly