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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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Setzer
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False positive rate also high with the test....In the US, health experts are saying 1 in 3 patients with Covid-19 is getting a false negative result. It is possible that people are carrying the virus but their viral load is too low at the time they take the test to detect it. Their condition may worsen over time and they will continue spreading the virus.
Questions About Accuracy of Coronavirus Tests Sow Worry
Health experts say they now believe nearly one in three patients infected with coronavirus are nevertheless getting a negative test result. That picture, many doctors say, casts doubt on the reliability of a wave of new tests developed by manufacturers, lab companies and the CDC.www.wsj.com
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32133832/
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cryptoadam
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Target, Walmart, Costco ordered to stop in-person sales of nonessential items
UPDATE: (4-14-20) MONTPELIER, Vt. (WZTV) - Big box retailers like Target, Walmart and Costco are being ordered to stop in-person sales of nonessential items in some states. Now, those states include Vermont, Michigan and Colorado. Vermont Gov. Phil Scott added this to his original executive...
fox17.com
Just Vermont I think. But if this policy ends up trending to other states...wew lad.
Our economy was going 60 and we have slammed the fucking brakes.
eot
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What is there to say? They haven't done clinical trials so it's just one of 20 or more possible vaccines. They're just doing PR at this point.
betrayal
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Setzer
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Wish more Doctors were onboard with treating patients with it. Could be saving lives.
Captain Zyrain
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1,000,168 cases
51,354 deaths
210,191 recovered
Straight CFR of 5% as of 4/2/2020
We hit 500K on 3/26/2020.
So 7 days to double. Will it speed up or slow down double again to 2M?
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cryptoadam
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Either there are a bunch of asshole doctors out there tricking us all and lieing about HQ and Zpacks, or this shit works.
I guess we will now in about a week or two once the New York study finishes up.
Oh and
Touting Virus Cure, ‘Simple Country Doctor’ Becomes a Right-Wing Star (Published 2020)
How Dr. Vladimir Zelenko’s claims for his coronavirus treatment spread from a New York village all the way to President Trump.
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Alebrije
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The deaths are the key number....
We hit 500K on 3/26/2020.
So 7 days to double. Will it speed up or slow down double again to 2M?
The deaths are the key number....
The Scrivener
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Look what i scored.
Location is canadian tire at deerfoot mall calgary.
7 left in store.
Go get it now if you rush.
Price 250
Good find! I'm going to stock up on zinc supplements as per Alex Jones's recommendation. He's one step ahead of the curve too and the MSM ban him for it.
Amazon banning sells of masks to regular people is just part of the media scare. What fucking difference does it make if they continue to sell these products to regular people? None.
Birdo
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Target, Walmart, Costco ordered to stop in-person sales of nonessential items
UPDATE: (4-14-20) MONTPELIER, Vt. (WZTV) - Big box retailers like Target, Walmart and Costco are being ordered to stop in-person sales of nonessential items in some states. Now, those states include Vermont, Michigan and Colorado. Vermont Gov. Phil Scott added this to his original executive...
Just Vermont I think. But if this policy ends up trending to other states...wew lad.
This is way overboard.
If people are already in the store buying essentials, what harm is it that they pick up some other things too?
Hope others don't follow this crap. We'll be seeing civil unrest pretty quickly.
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hariseldon
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So if you need a mask I suggest buying some heavy cotton and shoelaces plus a sewing kit from wherever you can (Amazon worked for me). I’m going you be making my own shortly. Multi use so not perfect (I can’t manufacture them quickly enough to do it any other way because I suck at sewing) but better than a kick in the teeth.
holygeesus
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Yes, the South Korea leading doctor said the same thing. He also said that singing also makes the droplets travel further, which is of course another reason for mass religious events being canceled. It makes sense as you spit during normal talking - singing even more so.
I bought one of these as I work outside at the moment, among the public.
Virustatic Shield | Comfortable and Breathable Face Covering
Innovation Award winning, patented material and a breakthrough in viral filtration
www.virustaticshield.com
Expensive for a device limited to 3 washes but is more practical for me than a mask. Works well...I hope.
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cryptoadam
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Which is why we should wear masks. But for some reason our health experts keep telling us they do nothing
If you want to be freaked out here is the video
Captain Zyrain
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When we hit 500K cases, the world was at a CFR of 4.5%, at 1M cases it's now 5.1%, so for now the death rate is accellerating, even with the massive increase in testing.
I *do* think there are a number of cases not tested is high, but wonder if it's enough to drastically reduce the worldwide CFR.
holygeesus
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They are telling you that because people would panic buy and there aren't enough even for nurses and doctors.
GHG
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I think the death rate will get worse as more healthcare systems get overwhelmed.
I don't understand why people can't just buckle up and stay the fuck at home for 2-3 weeks.
This whole thing is really making me lose faith in other people. It's like people need to see zombies or something before they start treating this as it should be treated.
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Setzer
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Sorry but the CFR isn't even remotely close to being accurate to what the death rate actually is. Not when China lied and their # of cases isn't even close to being accurate, not when there's not enough testing being done and not when most people who get this won't get tested because they have no symptoms or mild symptoms.
Rentahamster
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Interesting look at various studies of hot/cold therapies (saunas) and comparing Finland to the other Nordic countries. Finland has a high usage rate of saunas, and they seem to be doing better than the others. Nothing conclusive, but it is interesting.
GHG
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The people I see swinging kettle bells around on the beach on a daily basis in the mornings are not essential workers.
If people are essential workers then fair enough, mask up and go and do your thing, it's appreciated. The trouble is most of the people still going out are factually not essential, or have fooled themselves into thinking they are essential.
Alebrije
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Yep
If you can stayat home you are lucky there are millions that can not, since a lot of people need to work daily they spread the virus.
The goal is to reduce spread so if you need a ventilator you get one , soon or later you will get Covi19 and you body will fight it unless you can be under a rock for 18 months waiting for a vaccine
Captain Zyrain
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Of course it's not going to be accurate, but you CAN make educated guesses, especially with the number of countries reporting in. Some will be more accurate than others, but as a whole they're not going to ALL be covering it up identically.
I like the BNO counter, as it includes a running CFR %.
Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
The table below shows cases of coronavirus (officially known as SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, or 2019-nCoV) around the world. Each figure is verified by our team through local health departments or local media. A distribution map and a timeline with a list of recent updates can be found below the table...
bnonews.com
We won't know definitive facts until this is all well over and studied.. since I am almost 100% positive we'll see deaths continue even once the new cases #s have dried up (which will push the CFR UP). I don't really know if the # of asymptomatic cases matters or not, as there are likely uncounted, asymptomatic cases for every disease, and since they're generally uncounted across the board, the relative % would be equal when comparing diseases. I think (s)CFR is more relevant anyway (Symptomatic Case Fatality Rate), so people know IF they get sick, what are the odds they're going to die (no one who is asymptomatic is going to be wondering, since they don't even know they're sick).
So as of today..
For all countries over 10K cases (I threw in SK since they're close, and the "shining example" of what to do):
| World | Cases | New Cases | Deaths | New Deaths | Death Rate | Serious | Recovered | Links | |
| United States | 235,139 | 19,710 | 5,596 | 528 | 2.38% | 4,808 | 9,083 | Source | |
| Italy | 115,242 | 4,668 | 13,915 | 760 | 12.07% | 4,053 | 18,278 | Source | |
| Spain | 110,238 | 6,120 | 10,096 | 709 | 9.16% | 6,092 | 26,743 | Source | |
| China | 83,185 | 90 | 3,318 | 6 | 3.99% | 466 | 76,412 | Source | |
| Germany | 80,858 | 2,600 | 986 | 58 | 1.22% | 1,892 | 24,608 | Source | |
| France | 59,105 | 2,116 | 5,387 | 1,355 | 9.11% | 6,489 | 9,444 | Source | |
| Iran | 50,468 | 2,875 | 3,160 | 124 | 6.26% | 3,956 | 16,711 | Source | |
| United Kingdom | 33,718 | 4,244 | 2,921 | 569 | 8.66% | 20 | 135 | Source | |
| Turkey | 18,135 | 2,456 | 356 | 79 | 1.96% | 1,101 | 415 | Source | |
| Switzerland | 17,785 | 0 | 488 | 0 | 2.74% | N/A | 4,013 | Source | |
| Belgium | 15,348 | 1,384 | 1,011 | 183 | 6.59% | 1,144 | 2,495 | Source | |
| Netherlands | 14,697 | 1,083 | 1,339 | 166 | 9.11% | 1,144 | 32 | Source | |
| Austria | 10,967 | 601 | 158 | 30 | 1.44% | 227 | 1,749 | Source | |
| Canada | 10,132 | 401 | 127 | 16 | 1.25% | 65 | 1,682 | Source | |
| South Korea | 9,976 | 89 | 169 | 4 | 1.69% | N/A | 5,828 | Source |
So from that, we have Germany with the low of 1.22%, and Italy with a high of 12.07.
15 countries listed, 14 if we just ignore China since they're fake-y fake fake. I'd even remove Iran, since their numbers do not seem believable. However, both of those, as (under) reported are both above most western countries.
5 countries under 2%.
5 countries over 8%.
5 countries in the middle.
I don't realistically see how the sCFR for this is any less than 2% when you figure the whole world. I'd say 1-2% BEST CASE scenario, and 10-15% worst case. We're already seeing countries who exhibit the highs and lows, and I expect that to continue, instead of all regressing to one average.
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cryptoadam
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Yet SK and the Dutch don't have mask issues. Also Japan is sending out reusable masks. The general population don't need surgical grade level masks. We just need something to prevent people from spewing particles 6 feet into the air. Even a cotton shirt or dish towel retrofitted into a mask can help. Heck I think a scarf reduces things by 49%, which is better than nothing.
So I do believe there are shortages, but why are their shortages? And I for sure find it suspect that the global health organization only recommends mask for sick people (when you can be asymptomatic for like 2 weeks with this thing).
Jtibh
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I see more and more people outside.
Driving where ever day and night i dont get it.
I have to work so i cant contribute to peoples safety in fact i have more work now then before all this.
But at least i am only going to work and back home where as all these people have jack shit to do and just drive around cuz they are bored.
Captain Zyrain
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cryptoadam
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Captain Zyrain
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Apologies about the picture, it’s a screen shot from my phone but I just got an alert about the governor of TN who is about to issue a mandatory stay at home executive order unless it’s for essential needs for Tennessee.
Gov. Bill Lee issues statewide ‘Stay-at-Home’ order
“The month of April stands to be an extremely tough time for our state as we face the potential for a surge in COVID-19 cases,” said Lee. “Every Tennessean must take this seriously, remain at home …
www.wkrn.com
ricardo_sousa11
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Apologies about the picture, it’s a screen shot from my phone but I just got an alert about the governor of TN who is about to issue a mandatory stay at home executive order unless it’s for essential needs for Tennessee.
Forget about us?
deafmedal
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While I appreciate the sentiment, esp your previous post, someone like me who has been labeled 'essential' (hint: my job is NOT essential) and has been directed to remain working what should we do? I'm not going to willingly jeopardize my financial future and quit my job to stay home. Many did/do not have that luxury and were not in a position to prepare for this and hopefully they will receive help as needed. I *could* survive a month or few but what would my job prospects be if I walked away? My family is hunkered down, they leave only to grab food etc., and to mail me packages- stuff that prior to today I was unable to find in stores. Stuff officials and my company said we needed but were unable to supply.
I've definitely limited my exposure but the 10+ people I work with daily... how do I know where they've been? What precautions have they taken? Social distancing doesn't work for the job we do, we have no water to wash our hands with and a pittance of sanitizer and wipes. Our safety manager has all but banned masks (lol). The governor of the state I'm in has found it acceptable for us to continue our 'essential' work so they can make money. So we work. For money. Money, the only thing in the world that matters, or so we been told our entire fucking lives.
So yeah, someone out there having a grand old time doing whatever? Sure, they are fucktards. I will not however, knock anyone out there working, essential or not.
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Mihos
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First Chinese city bans consumption of cats and dogs | CNN
Shenzhen, in southeastern China, has become the first city in the country to ban the consumption of cats and dogs, the government announced Thursday.
www.cnn.com
Captain Zyrain
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Loose lips, sinks ships careers
Jtibh
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mango drank
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Those micro-droplets just hanging out 20 mins later, that is some shit.
It would've been great if we'd made more progress on becoming cyborgs by now, so that we could just replace our lungs with new and improved models at will, but nooooo.
c-c-c-c-cyberrrrrr
Pallas
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What do you mean? Not sure about other states, I know some had already issued the order.
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Rubber Feet China sounds like some insult Joe Biden would come up with.
GHG
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Yeh that's a shitty situation to be in (when the heads of company are forcing staff to still turn up at work despite not being essential) and it's not your fault so I think I should be clearer about who I was referring to:
- The people who go outside to exercise
- The people who go outside for random walks/drives when they are not actually going anywhere
- The people who meet up with friends or arrange for people to come round to their house to meet up
- The people who let their kids outside to play on a daily basis (especially with other kids)
- The arsehole self-centered bosses who insist on forcing their staff to come in to work despite them being non-essential
- The arsehole self-centered bosses who force their employees to come in to work on a daily basis despite the fact that everything can be done from home.
Yeh some businesses might crumble if there is no activity for a couple of months, but they were bound to crumble at some point anyway. You can't operate on a knife edge indefinitely. When all your staff end up struck down with coronavirus because of your selfishness you make zero money.
It's like these people don't realise the fact that by doing this they are just contributing towards prolonging the period we are all in this shit for everyone. If everyone just adhered to 3-4 weeks of lockdown things could start edging closer towards normality sooner than we think.
cryptoadam
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OntarioGAF how you holding up?
Just saw 29 deaths today and almost half of the deaths in Canada.
Just saw 29 deaths today and almost half of the deaths in Canada.
deafmedal
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I agree with this wholly. I would hope that once we are on the other side of this governments, employers/large corporations will reevaluate things and perhaps we could stop focusing so much on profit at any cost. But I'm too cynical or perhaps experienced to believe that much will change at all.
Gp1
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Of course it's not going to be accurate, but you CAN make educated guesses, especially with the number of countries reporting in. Some will be more accurate than others, but as a whole they're not going to ALL be covering it up identically.
I like the BNO counter, as it includes a running CFR %.
Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
The table below shows cases of coronavirus (officially known as SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, or 2019-nCoV) around the world. Each figure is verified by our team through local health departments or local media. A distribution map and a timeline with a list of recent updates can be found below the table...
We won't know definitive facts until this is all well over and studied.. since I am almost 100% positive we'll see deaths continue even once the new cases #s have dried up (which will push the CFR UP). I don't really know if the # of asymptomatic cases matters or not, as there are likely uncounted, asymptomatic cases for every disease, and since they're generally uncounted across the board, the relative % would be equal when comparing diseases. I think (s)CFR is more relevant anyway (Symptomatic Case Fatality Rate), so people know IF they get sick, what are the odds they're going to die (no one who is asymptomatic is going to be wondering, since they don't even know they're sick).
So as of today..
For all countries over 10K cases (I threw in SK since they're close, and the "shining example" of what to do):
World Cases New Cases Deaths New Deaths Death Rate Serious Recovered Links United States 235,139 19,710 5,596 528 2.38% 4,808 9,083 Source Italy 115,242 4,668 13,915 760 12.07% 4,053 18,278 Source Spain 110,238 6,120 10,096 709 9.16% 6,092 26,743 Source China 83,185 90 3,318 6 3.99% 466 76,412 Source Germany 80,858 2,600 986 58 1.22% 1,892 24,608 Source France 59,105 2,116 5,387 1,355 9.11% 6,489 9,444 Source Iran 50,468 2,875 3,160 124 6.26% 3,956 16,711 Source United Kingdom 33,718 4,244 2,921 569 8.66% 20 135 Source Turkey 18,135 2,456 356 79 1.96% 1,101 415 Source Switzerland 17,785 0 488 0 2.74% N/A 4,013 Source Belgium 15,348 1,384 1,011 183 6.59% 1,144 2,495 Source Netherlands 14,697 1,083 1,339 166 9.11% 1,144 32 Source Austria 10,967 601 158 30 1.44% 227 1,749 Source Canada 10,132 401 127 16 1.25% 65 1,682 Source South Korea 9,976 89 169 4 1.69% N/A 5,828 Source
So from that, we have Germany with the low of 1.22%, and Italy with a high of 12.07.
15 countries listed, 14 if we just ignore China since they're fake-y fake fake. I'd even remove Iran, since their numbers do not seem believable. However, both of those, as (under) reported are both above most western countries.
5 countries under 2%.
5 countries over 8%.
5 countries in the middle.
I don't realistically see how the sCFR for this is any less than 2% when you figure the whole world. I'd say 1-2% BEST CASE scenario, and 10-15% worst case. We're already seeing countries who exhibit the highs and lows, and I expect that to continue, instead of all regressing to one average.
You guys are forgeting that the vast majority of cases won't be notified by countries (those with mild sympthons, covid tests shortage, etc.). Even highly developed countries that are not in a state like Italy and Spain are not widespread testing the population (switzerland).
So in fact the mean (average) is way lower i think.
ps: Which does not mean that you should go out there spreading.
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