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[SlimySnake]

I have a really hard time believing that. Maybe in the beginning of the gen, yes, but once we get Big Navi and Ampere these consoles will be so much behind that it's not even funny.

i mean that is true every gen. PCs will always get better. we went from 1080p gpus to 4k gpus and even 4k gpus with ray tracing. im sure next gen will see a similar leap.

but i dont see how that stops consoles from being the base. looking at rdr2 and other late gen games like RE2, FF7 and Death stranding, it's hard to not be impressed. devs will continue to push these consoles with ray tracing features next gen.

 

[Krisprolls]

Reading all these batshit crazy X fans so invested in their console it's not too far fetched a lot of them are here as well, Heck we already have multiple alt accounts of X fans (fan) being banned left and right. 7 years of repressed emotions definitely do a number on these X fans so sad.

XBO period was definitely hard to swallow for them. MS never had the upper hand in games or sales, Xbox mantra was "more power" from the early days or original Xbox, so when they lost that too, there wasn't much left to brag...

 

[BattleScar]

Ampere will cost a lot more than the whole XSX or PS5. Apples and oranges. PCs aren't good value anymore at all right now compared to next gen consoles.

That doesn't matter as much as in 3 years there will be mid-range GPU's that massively outgun the PS5 and Series X. At which point, either they scale back visuals on consoles, or they cram as much visual fidelity into 30fps as they can and then deal with it.
Then the Pro versions come out and rinse repeat for the next 3 years.

 

[SonGoku]

but it seems like Sony possibly does not have visible API for it inside that "Playstation SDK" Could someone clarified?

Cerny focused on the same topics as the presentation: Variable frequencies, SSD & Audio
That doesn't mean they don't have the API ready, they just haven't discussed the GPU architecture and its features yet

Richard came to that conclusion by himself, instead of doing his job properly and ask Cerny about it directly or even talking about Sony's "mesh shaders" ... amature journalism by Rich.

To be fair Richard just said sony haven't confirmed it, but since we know its RDNA2 VRS and other features are given.

I think the consoles are getting delayed.

That would be ideal that way Sony can upgrade to 16Gbps memory chips for 512GB/s bandwidth and MS upgrade the remaining four 1GB chips to 2GB for a total of 20GB at 560GB/s

 

[joe_zazen]

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That doesn't matter as much as in 3 years there will be mid-range GPU's that massively outgun the PS5 and Series X. At which point, either they scale back visuals on consoles, or they cram as much visual fidelity into 30fps as they can and then deal with it.
Then the Pro versions come out and rinse repeat for the next 3 years.

things are slowing down unfortunately so Idk about ‘massively outgunned by midrange gpu’ in 3 years, esp if you are looking at the $3-400 range of gpu. $1200? Sure, but that will be the case year one.

 

[M1chl]

Cerny focused on the same topics as the presentation: Variable frequencies, SSD & Audio
That doesn't mean they don't have the API ready, they just haven't discussed the GPU architecture and its features yet

I am reacting on that DF video, that Rich said he spoke with Cerny and he (Rich) said, that there is no word on this so far, maybe it's going to be later. But that mesh shader from XSX, seems like it's considerate effort on software side of things.

Anyway I hate how Cerny is pronnouced in English "Serny", because Cerny (Černý is Czech word for "black") and "serný" means something like a "shitter", even though this form of word "srát" does not even exist, but it's close.

 

[SonGoku]

I am reacting on that DF video, that Rich said he spoke with Cerny and he (Rich) said, that there is no word on this so far, maybe it's going to be later. But that mesh shader from XSX, seems like it's considerate effort on software side of things.

Anyway I hate how Cerny is pronnouced in English "Serny", because Cerny (Černý is Czech word for "black") and "serný" means something like a "shitter", even though this for of word "srát" does not even exist, but it's close.

If you payed attention im sure you realized Cerny was pretty selective in terms of the info shared he didn't give him anything new. They haven't discussed yet the RDNA2 GPU features which is why we haven't heard of any talks regarding VRS and other RDNA2 features. I don't think Sony will have any issues exploiting all of the PS5 GPU features with their API.

 

[Farrell55]

Ill give you a list.
Dukeblueballs
DrKeo
Colbert
c0de
Proven
Shepstal Ed
DocH1X1
Klobrille
Lukastaves
Dictator(Yes hes in that discord now)
FairyEmpire
Doncabesa
Bcatwilly
Brand Sams
Zedox
And more

Very interesting

Do you think its possible that they get Paid or at least supported by MS for doing this stuff?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

36CUs and memory bandwidth were correct. The rest changed in the meantime.

yes, well there’s quite a big difference in those details that “changed”

Those that were pushing the GitHub narrative were also pushing 8-9.2TF, RDNA1, no RT as if it were fact

As Matt said on the other place, GitHub wasn’t indicative of the final product

 

[44alltheway]

Ill give you a list.
Dukeblueballs
DrKeo
Colbert
c0de
Proven
Shepstal Ed
DocH1X1
Klobrille
Lukastaves
Dictator(Yes hes in that discord now)
FairyEmpire
Doncabesa
Bcatwilly
Brand Sams
Zedox
And more

honestly shocked I don't see dealer, colteastwood, or timdog in there

 

[kyliethicc]

 

[Farrell55]

This Amateurelite is a Desperate Liar! I caught him Lying before

 

[DForce]

honestly shocked I don't see dealer, colteastwood, or timdog in there

I bet they have their own group where Brad and Jez frequently visit.

 

[Farrell55]

Disgusting Racist's

Xbox Fanboys (Fanatics) are so Low Level

 

[TheAmazingSpiderMan]

Lol. Can you provide a link to this discord as I’d like to see what they’re trying to narrate from there.

 

[Gudji]

honestly shocked I don't see dealer, colteastwood, or timdog in there

Oh Timdog is there too. He's one of klobrille "sources" .
There's a lot of people in there that aren't on that sample list.

Like I previously said if you've been paying attention to nextgen discussion on both forums then you should have an idea of the people that are part of that discord. For instance from the top of my head Yearsoflurking, GING-SAMA, hmqgg, senjutsusage, bsigg and VX1 are there too, there's more though.

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

If you payed attention im sure you realized Cerny was pretty selective in terms of the info shared he didn't give him anything new.

Actually he provided a piece of info that we have not heard before. And I hope this can clean the 9TF FUD, at least in this thread.

Mark Cerny (DF Interview):

"The CPU and GPU each have a power budget, of course the GPU power budget is the larger of the two.". "If the CPU doesn't use its power budget - for example, if it is capped at 3.5GHz - then the unused portion of the budget goes to the GPU. That's what AMD calls SmartShift. There's enough power that both CPU and GPU can potentially run at their limits of 3.5GHz and 2.23GHz, it isn't the case that the developer has to choose to run one of them slower."

 

[SonGoku]

If it's not bandwidth then what else could be the problem?

I read 5700 is power starved at higher frequencies which is why is hitting diminishing returns
Not saying bandwidth isn't a factor

The PSU might be limited by budget, and even if it could cool more there might not be additional power to allow it.

Power they can deliver to the SoC is bound by the thermal dissipation the cooling assembly can handle. Not because the psu is cheap

Actually he provided a piece of info that we did not hear before. And I hope this cleans the 9TF FUD, at least in this thread.

Mark Cerny (DF Interview):

This was already implied on the presentation when Cerny said both CPU & GPU would run at peak frequency (or close to) most of the time.
People just didn't watch or have their own bias that makes them ignore this.

I mean we now have the latest in concern trolling that the SSD throttles based on the "logic" that they haven't explicitly said its guaranteed throughput... The goalposts just move, speaking of which did you see the discord pics? Sony will pay for parity!

 

[MasterCornholio]

36CUs and memory bandwidth were correct. The rest changed in the meantime.

From my understanding the chip in the PS5 is a more refined version of the chip in the GitHub leak.

Is this correct?

What's weird is that the old chip wasn't RDNA2 but the new chip is. Did they have to make a lot of changes to achieve that?

 

[Self High Five]

The end of an era?

To all the screencappers, thank you for your service!

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

From my understanding the chip in the PS5 is a more refined version of the chip in the GitHub leak.

Is this correct?

What's weird is that the old chip wasn't RDNA2 but the new chip is. Did they have to make a lot of changes to achieve that?

From what I understand that chip was used for BC testing

 

[MasterCornholio]

Reading all these batshit crazy X fans so invested in their console it's not too far fetched a lot of them are here as well, Heck we already have multiple alt accounts of X fans (fan) being banned left and right. 7 years of repressed emotions definitely do a number on these X fans so sad.

To be fair Gaf has a lot of bans from the other side as well. So it's not like it's just limited to one part of the community.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The end of an era?

To all the screencappers, thank you for your service!

“taken out of context”

Dictator had the same spin a day ago...common excuse

 

[MasterCornholio]

From what I understand that chip was used for BC testing

I remember that. There was speculation they the PS5 simply reduced the CU count to match the 32CUs in the GitHub leak.

But the weird thing is why wasn't there a test for normal PS5 mode? Like with RT for example.

 

[Deeper Underground]

The end of an era?

To all the screencappers, thank you for your service!

I would love to see someone give those screenshots to a journalist and let them expose that shit to the public.

 

[Vroadstar]

To be fair Gaf has a lot of bans from the other side as well. So it's not like it's just limited to one part of the community.

I agree there are some over the top from the other side as well, however, as what Krisprolls excellent post, it's tougher for X fans hence their need to vent this time
around.

XBO period was definitely hard to swallow for them. MS never had the upper hand in games or sales, Xbox mantra was "more power" from the early days or original Xbox, so when they lost that too, there wasn't much left to brag...

 

[Deeper Underground]

I agree there are some over the top from the other side as well, however, as what Krisprolls excellent post, it's tougher for X fans hence their need to vent this time
around.

But the sad thing is that MS is in a better position than they were years ago. Why not just enjoy what you have instead of trying to shit on the PS5 at the same time? It’s just silly man.

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

This was already implied on the presentation when Cerny said both CPU & GPU would run at peak frequency (or close to) most of the time.
People just didn't watch or have their own bias that makes them ignore this.

I mean we now have the latest in concern trolling that the SSD throttles based on the "logic" that they haven't explicitly said its guaranteed throughput... The goalposts just move, speaking of which did you see the discord pics? Sony will pay for parity!

I am glad that Cerny made it even more clear. As the Moore's Law Is Dead guy said in his PS5 video, Sony has been dumb by including the "variable" nomenclature in the official specs. Honesty has a price, I guess.

About the discord pics, it is funny to read but after a while I find it kind of off topic. Too much drama for my taste.

What I find hilarious about it is to see how a bunch of grandilocuent morons, including our friend Dictator, think they can make a difference

 

[Farrell55]

Why was Bo_Hazem Banned???

 

[EliteSmurf]

Why was Bo_Hazem Banned???

Console warring.

 

[DForce]

The end of an era?

To all the screencappers, thank you for your service!

Out of context? lol.

 

[Farrell55]

Out of context? lol.

So he claim out of context... then why he dont give us the right context... I am very curious about that

 

[Fake]

Dictator if you're reading my post, please leave that discord dude. You're about to destroy your career. Is not worthy man.
Put some sense mate. Is not because we're locked in house because covid19 you can just enjoy join that level of community. Even if was a Sony/Playstation astroturfing discord, you're putting to much risky on your job.

Take my advice and leave every game community. D dark10x did the same. You should follow him. Its not healthy.

 

[Ptarmiganx2]

I don't think the summer will slow it. At this point I think we can assume this virus will stay with us until we either manage to reduce infections until we're able to identify every sick person and qurantine them or we'll find medications or vaccines for it.

Regardless any solution will need several months up to 2 years from now.

Where did you go med school? Just

Not all are seasonal. You can't say for sure that's seasonal. NOBODY can make that claim because no scientific study has been tested to prove this yet. There's places where they're in the middle of summer right now and it's not slowing on spreading. It's also difficult to gather data in countries that are hotter/humid right now due to sitting on poor healthcare therefore hard to come by public facts so likely under reported. Some meds are showing potential but they take awhile to pass clinical trials. These are extreme situations though and they'll likely bypass several phases including the vaccines.

I'm not trying to fearmonger or create sensationalism. Saying it's nothing or media hype is just as bad as someone saying it's the end of the world. The facts are economy will not sustain itself the longer this lingers around and nobody can predict where we will sit in 6 months to a year from now with this virus.

I am an integrated medicine doc for the DOD. I’m currently in Portland and SW Washington. Our facilities had the first confirmed cases in their respective regions. I’m not calling you out, but I’m willing to wager my access to information is a little better than yours. There is no model where this has substantial new cases for the next 6 months. There are at least 6 times more undiagnosed cases. In the early stages we were only testing hospitalized patients, less severe patients were sent home and told to quarantine. With the transmission rate it is likely we had entire families infected with no testing to verify. The death rate will be 0.8 percent max when we start antibody testing (first test cleared today in the US). The media repots numbers to scare viewers into watching. Every news outlet has their Running Man style death counter, linear scales showing growth rate, and 250k predicted death rates. To get to 250k we need over 10 million diagnosed cases using the same incorrect calculations we use to arrive at our current 2.4 percent death rate. The daily increases in percengage of new cases have been 29, 8.5, 4, 2.4, 1.9, 21.9, 7, and 9 percent. Tell me how we get from 250k to 10 million with a decreasing percentage growth in new cases and an expected peak in 10-14 days. Let us not forget the increase in cases is correlated to massive expansion in testing. I can tell you as a fact that it is not going to happen. Saying the media is hyping the pandemic is not dangerous it’s the truth. We need to this seriously, but the real damage will be the economic damage. I apologize for the long-winded off topic post.

 

[Cyan12629]

I'm new here,who is this dictator people keep talking about?

 

[Vroadstar]

Probably some X fans here in GAF got invited and went to this spectacular shindig the way some threads here are going.

 

[Farrell55]

For what it's worth, here's the uncropped original 8688x5951 version, weighing in at 33MB.

https://images.eurogamer.net/2015/articles/a/1/8/6/3/5/3/8/Mark_Cerny_02.jpg.jpg

Thank you my Friend, i have a new Avatar

 

[Apollo Helios]

Dictator if you're reading my post, please leave that discord dude. You're about to destroy your career. Is not worthy man.
Put some sense mate. Is not because we're locked in house because covid19 you can just enjoy join that level of community. Even if was a Sony/Playstation astroturfing discord, you're putting to much risky on your job.

Take my advice and leave every game community. D dark10x did the same. You should follow him. Its not healthy.

On that note I have a wish from D dark10x and DF, to put this Alex person a.k.a. Dicktator on hold for some time and not feature him till he has come to his senses and distances himself from these poisonous environments in which people go as far as being racist and completely disrespectful of your fellow journalists. All while this Alex guy is not warning them but rather staying mute which is as bad as participating in the deed. I feel like as he currently stands he is not worthy enough to be part of our gaming community and I can not personally see myself supporting DF on patreon if he doesn't get himself together all while being part of your videos without any repercussions. I don't care any of these other people on the discord being there, but this Dicktator guy being part of DF, something I've appreciated, liked, subscribed, hit-the-bell-buttoned and supported on patreon is like a knife in the back. He can like PC community but his posts on REEEE every time talking about PS5 has always been with certain disdain and in the vein of mostly rejecting and downplaying and that frankly makes me sick and hateful towards him.

 

[kyliethicc]

I’d be more worried if Phil can see. Leave Shu alone, dude’s a legend.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

36CUs and memory bandwidth were correct. The rest changed in the meantime.

Pretty much. If Sony didn't overclock the GPU, it would have been dead on.

People should give credit to the github leak as a solid foundation on what PS5 was built off. Just because the final product was a bit better doesn't mean the github data was BS. In fact, the final 10.3tf/36CU was much closer than all of the random "insiders" who had been claiming for a year PS5 was going to be 12-13tf at around the same CU as Xbox. Not even close.

Even just the thought of someone digging up details about a 36CU chip for a 2020 console and being right should already be enough material to know the leak was true at some point. It's just that the data was outdated and didn't have the 2.23 ghz tests.

Name one person aside from the person who leaked github data who firmly guessed PS5 would have the same number of CU as Pro from 2016?

Here's the answer. None.

 

[ethomaz]

Ill give you a list.
Dukeblueballs
DrKeo
Colbert
c0de
Proven
Shepstal Ed
DocH1X1
Klobrille
Lukastaves
Dictator(Yes hes in that discord now)
FairyEmpire
Doncabesa
Bcatwilly
Brand Sams
Zedox
And more

You forget that one.

hmqgg

 

[Apollo Helios]

Pretty much. If Sony didn't overclock the GPU, it would have been dead on.

People should give credit to the github leak as a solid foundation on what PS5 was built off. Just because the final product was a bit better doesn't mean the github data was BS. In fact, the final 10.3tf/36CU was much closer than all of the random "insiders" who had been claiming for a year PS5 was going to be 12-13tf at around the same CU as Xbox. Not even close.

Even just the thought of someone digging up details about a 36CU chip for a 2020 console and being right should already be enough material to know the leak was true at some point. It's just that the data was outdated and didn't have the 2.23 ghz tests.

Name one person aside from the person who leaked github data who firmly guessed PS5 would have the same number of CU as Pro from 2016?

Here's the answer. None.

Who fucking cares?! We are way beyond it now with final spec sheet officially revealed. After all this discord debacle, it made me crystal clear in my resolve -> Get unstuck from the past or get on my ignore list. There is no point in arguing with your non-argument points invalid at this time. No need to waste energy trying to argue against this stubborn obsession, no way to change what people deeply believe in, so believe what you must, we will soon get the games which will speak for themselves.

 

[megreotsugua]

Ill give you a list.
Dukeblueballs
DrKeo
Colbert
c0de
Proven
Shepstal Ed
DocH1X1
Klobrille
Lukastaves
Dictator(Yes hes in that discord now)
FairyEmpire
Doncabesa
Bcatwilly
Brand Sams
Zedox
And more

Do you have evidence to this?

I mean Sony and Mark Cerny should definitely stop engaging with Digital Foundry as long as that MS fanboy is there.

 

[joe_zazen]

Pretty much. If Sony didn't overclock the GPU, it would have been dead on.

People should give credit to the github leak as a solid foundation on what PS5 was built off. Just because the final product was a bit better doesn't mean the github data was BS. In fact, the final 10.3tf/36CU was much closer than all of the random "insiders" who had been claiming for a year PS5 was going to be 12-13tf at around the same CU as Xbox. Not even close.

Even just the thought of someone digging up details about a 36CU chip for a 2020 console and being right should already be enough material to know the leak was true at some point. It's just that the data was outdated and didn't have the 2.23 ghz tests.

Name one person aside from the person who leaked github data who firmly guessed PS5 would have the same number of CU as Pro from 2016?

Here's the answer. None.

yeah, got to admit i was surprised at 36, but the huge clocks and rdna2 efficiency gains mitigate things. PS5 is no trash fire.

i get the feeling that some desperately want a trash fire ps5 and that is why they work so hard pushing shit. It is a fine console, accept it and move on with life.

 

[Apollo Helios]

Do you have evidence to this?

I mean Sony and Mark Cerny should definitely stop engaging with Digital Foundry as long as that MS fanboy is there.

As Richard says proof is in the pudding

 

[ethomaz]

Oh Timdog is there too. He's one of klobrille "sources" .
There's a lot of people in there that aren't on that sample list.

Like I previously said if you've been paying attention to nextgen discussion on both forums then you should have an idea of the people that are part of that discord. For instance from the top of my head Yearsoflurking, GING-SAMA, hmqgg, senjutsusage, bsigg and VX1 are there too, there's more though.

United to spread FUD lol

 

[bigdawg69]

usually the box with a more powerful cpu/gpu/ram is less powerful than one with a super fast ssd. wait. new gen so maybe super fast ssd is a game changer.

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

Who fucking cares?! We are way beyond it now with final spec sheet officially revealed. After all this discord debacle, it made me crystal clear in my resolve -> Get unstuck from the past or get on my ignore list. There is no point in arguing with your non-argument points invalid at this time. No need to waste energy trying to argue against this stubborn obsession, no way to change what people deeply believe in, so believe what you must, we will soon get the games which will speak for themselves.

Finally you see the light!

I have been suffering for your tormented soul since you were a neo member.

 

[ethomaz]

the Github leak was 100% accurate, it was just not the latest version of the SOC that we had data on.
but every sony fanboy denied the github chip to be accurate and was hyped for a 13TF console because they couldn't believe Sony would use a 36CU chip

So GitHub was not accurate.

 

[ethomaz]

Pretty much. If Sony didn't overclock the GPU, it would have been dead on.

People should give credit to the github leak as a solid foundation on what PS5 was built off. Just because the final product was a bit better doesn't mean the github data was BS. In fact, the final 10.3tf/36CU was much closer than all of the random "insiders" who had been claiming for a year PS5 was going to be 12-13tf at around the same CU as Xbox. Not even close.

Even just the thought of someone digging up details about a 36CU chip for a 2020 console and being right should already be enough material to know the leak was true at some point. It's just that the data was outdated and didn't have the 2.23 ghz tests.

Name one person aside from the person who leaked github data who firmly guessed PS5 would have the same number of CU as Pro from 2016?

Here's the answer. None.

Says the Xbox “secret” discord member.
FUD!