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EDIT. Meant VRS in title, not CRS (Also sorry for typos, gotta stop posting before breakfast)

VRS talk is around the 4:30 mark
From DF Youtube

A PC real-time strategy game with triple-A production values and brand new DirectX 12 features? Gears Tactics delivers and Alex Battaglia has the full tech review. Oh, and a max 20 per cent performance increase from variable rate shading? We've got the full lowdown.

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I will to provide a summary shortly, watcing the video currently.

Quoting Alex, from the video:

- Really well thought out squad tactics game, part XCOM, part Dawn of War II, recommends to anyone who likes the genre, or SRPGs
- AAA Presentation
- Lavish cutscenes can be ran at 60 FPS or higher if you have the rig
- VRS can be toggled on or off, in the video there was a 20 FPS increase with VRS maxed out
- Currently VRS is only available to Turing GPUs on PC, but will be coming to RDNA 2 GPUs with DX12 Ultimate, and confirmed for XsX
- At 4k with highest settings, Gears Tactics will run at around 47 FPS on a 2080ti, turning on VRS increases performance by 13 percent, maxing it out increases performance by 21 percent
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- Does not recommend using VRS and dynamic resolution scaling together, you get a worst of both worlds in image degradation, seems to prefer DRS over VRS in this game

Alex recommends these tweaks for those with midrange GPU for best performanc/IQ combo, can improve performance by over 70 percent and still maintain quality fidelity

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- Looks like game uses 9+ gigs of VRAM at 4k with higher settings (12:10 mark)
- With optimized settings, mid-range cards like the 1060 and RX 580 seem to hover around 55ish FPS at 1440p

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Personally, I am looking forward to seeing what I can squeeze out of my 2070 Super at 1440p tomorrow

 

[manfestival]

I am looking forward to this one for sure. I was in the moment they showed gameplay for the game. Still seems to be a major sleeper for some reason. The quality looks top notch from every video of the game.

 

[Dory16]

Damn. I'm not a PC gamer. Is it usual for strategy games to be that greedy? We may be above Doom Eternal territory (I'm taking that example because it's the only game this gen that makes my Xbox One X noticeably loud and hot).

 

[GymWolf]

Personally, I am looking forward to seeing what I can squeeze out of my 2070 Super at 1440p tomorrow

i have the same gpu, why don't you try 4k30 fps? 60 fps are pretty useless in a game like this.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

i have the same gpu, why don't you try 4k30 fps? 60 fps are pretty useless in a game like this.

because im crazy

 

[martino]

I want to buy it but i have a feeling it would eternally stay in my backlog. (not my prioritized type of game, and the xcom light don't help)

 

[kittoo]

I was ready to test VRS with my C9 TV, but looks like that requires Turing GPUs. That sucks. So if I need to use this TV to the max, with VRS, G-Sync, 120Hz 4K and what not, I need to get the upcoming HDMI 2.1 GPUs. Good thing they are a little away in time, cause I blew my current budget on the TV

 

[manfestival]

i have the same gpu, why don't you try 4k30 fps? 60 fps are pretty useless in a game like this.

but we groreerus pc race need 60+fps! I am here going for 144hz hopefully at 1440p with my 2080

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I was ready to test VRS with my C9 TV, but looks like that requires Turing GPUs. That sucks. So if I need to use this TV to the max, with VRS, G-Sync, 120Hz 4K and what not, I need to get the upcoming HDMI 2.1 GPUs. Good thing they are a little away in time, cause I blew my current budget on the TV

What GPU are you sporting?

 

[REDRZA MWS]

So your saying my rtx 2080ti, and Intel core i9-9900k, and 32GB’s of ram can’t run this 4k/60?

 

[SplunkyMunkey]

EDIT. Meant VRS in title, not CRS (Also sorry for typos, gotta stop posting before breakfast)

VRS talk is around the 4:30 mark
From DF Youtube




I will to provide a summary shortly, watcing the video currently.

Quoting Alex, from the video:

- Really well thought out squad tactics game, part XCOM, part Dawn of War II, recommends to anyone who likes the genre, or SRPGs
- AAA Presentation
- Lavish cutscenes can be ran at 60 FPS or higher if you have the rig
- VRS can be toggled on or off, in the video there was a 20 FPS increase with VRS maxed out
- Currently VRS is only available to Turing GPUs on PC, but will be coming to RDNA 2 GPUs with DX12 Ultimate, and confirmed for XsX
- At 4k with highest settings, Gears Tactics will run at around 47 FPS on a 2080ti, turning on VRS increases performance by 13 percent, maxing it out increases performance by 21 percent
-

- Does not recommend using VRS and dynamic resolution scaling together, you get a worst of both worlds in image degradation, seems to prefer DRS over VRS in this game

Alex recommends these tweaks for those with midrange GPU for best performanc/IQ combo, can improve performance by over 70 percent and still maintain quality fidelity

---

- Looks like game uses 9+ gigs of VRAM at 4k with higher settings (12:10 mark)
- With optimized settings, mid-range cards like the 1060 and RX 580 seem to hover around 55ish FPS at 1440p

Makes u wonder what series x settings would be since it only has 10gig for games. Im look around 4k @30fps medium to high settings

 

[DarkestLight]

Makes u wonder what series x settings would be since it only has 10gig for games. Im look around 4k @30fps medium to high settings

Series X is 13.5gb for games, 10gb at Max bandwidth and 3.5gb at the lower

 

[kittoo]

What GPU are you sporting?

A 1070

 

[DavidGzz]

Hmmm, so by the time we're halfway through the gen we'll need the refresh with 20+ gigs of RAM. Man, I think I'm just going to splurge on a phatty PC later this year instead.

 

[Armorian]

A 1070

It looks like shit here so we are not missing much on Pascals VRS is not some magic performance boost that is unnoticeable to human eye, it degrades IQ.

So far out of all perfomance saving techinques DLSS 2.0 is the winner.

 

[SplunkyMunkey]

Series X is 13.5gb for games, 10gb at Max bandwidth and 3.5gb at the lower

Thats what i meant 10gig otherwise there be throttling in speed past 10gig

 

[Physiognomonics]

This shows that MS VRS is indeed only a software API. No need for RDNA2 hardware for that.

 

[D.Final]

EDIT. Meant VRS in title, not CRS (Also sorry for typos, gotta stop posting before breakfast)

VRS talk is around the 4:30 mark
From DF Youtube




I will to provide a summary shortly, watcing the video currently.

Quoting Alex, from the video:

- Really well thought out squad tactics game, part XCOM, part Dawn of War II, recommends to anyone who likes the genre, or SRPGs
- AAA Presentation
- Lavish cutscenes can be ran at 60 FPS or higher if you have the rig
- VRS can be toggled on or off, in the video there was a 20 FPS increase with VRS maxed out
- Currently VRS is only available to Turing GPUs on PC, but will be coming to RDNA 2 GPUs with DX12 Ultimate, and confirmed for XsX
- At 4k with highest settings, Gears Tactics will run at around 47 FPS on a 2080ti, turning on VRS increases performance by 13 percent, maxing it out increases performance by 21 percent
-

- Does not recommend using VRS and dynamic resolution scaling together, you get a worst of both worlds in image degradation, seems to prefer DRS over VRS in this game

Alex recommends these tweaks for those with midrange GPU for best performanc/IQ combo, can improve performance by over 70 percent and still maintain quality fidelity

---

- Looks like game uses 9+ gigs of VRAM at 4k with higher settings (12:10 mark)
- With optimized settings, mid-range cards like the 1060 and RX 580 seem to hover around 55ish FPS at 1440p

Interesting analysis

 

[Max_Po]

At 4k with highest settings, Gears Tactics will run at around 47 FPS on a 2080ti

 

[martino]

This shows that MS VRS is indeed only a software API. No need for RDNA2 hardware for that.

Did you miss the part where you need specific hardware for it to work ? (only turing can do it for now)

 

[CrustyBritches]

This game looks cool, so I'm looking forward to trying it out tomorrow. Pre-loading on Game Pass PC right now. It looks like they'll unlock it at 8:00AM PT.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Did you miss the part where you need specific hardware for it to work ? (only turing can do it for now)

Yes, I did, thanks.

 

[thelastword]

Yes, there is definitely a noticeable visual degradation with VRS ON, even moreso on VRS performance.

Still, the performance on a 2080ti for this game is simply out of whack.....Unreal really needs to do something about this....There's no reason a strategy game should incur such penalties on potent hardware...

 

[ZywyPL]

Still, the performance on a 2080ti for this game is simply out of whack.....Unreal really needs to do something about this....There's no reason a strategy game should incur such penalties on potent hardware...

That's exactly what happens when the assets are higher quality than the CPU/GPU can actually render at targeted resolution/framerate. It's actually the quite opposite of what some PS/Cerny die-hard fans on the forum want normal people to believe in. Games like that, with isometric view, are where Mesh Shading should step into play, to save some resources on the geometry when viewed from far away, and get back that higher quality for close-ups, when it's actually needed.

 

[Allandor]

Yes, there is definitely a noticeable visual degradation with VRS ON, even moreso on VRS performance.

Still, the performance on a 2080ti for this game is simply out of whack.....Unreal really needs to do something about this....There's no reason a strategy game should incur such penalties on potent hardware...

It is like with Crysis. Hardware on release was not capable to max it out. "simple" effects maxed out can have a huge impact on performance without getting much better visual quality.
In older games maxed out quality was always for the future, not for the current hardware.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I was ready to test VRS with my C9 TV, but looks like that requires Turing GPUs. That sucks. So if I need to use this TV to the max, with VRS, G-Sync, 120Hz 4K and what not, I need to get the upcoming HDMI 2.1 GPUs. Good thing they are a little away in time, cause I blew my current budget on the TV

VRS lowers the resolution of some out of focus, I'm not sure that this is much better than lowering the quality of specific effects in the graphics settings given what has been shown so far.

 

[thelastword]

It is like with Crysis. Hardware on release was not capable to max it out. "simple" effects maxed out can have a huge impact on performance without getting much better visual quality.
In older games maxed out quality was always for the future, not for the current hardware.

Are you comparing Gears Tactics to Crysis? Wow, Tactics should be a tour de force in graphics then...…..because I don't see it....

 

[alabtrosMyster]

EDIT. Meant VRS in title, not CRS (Also sorry for typos, gotta stop posting before breakfast)

VRS talk is around the 4:30 mark
From DF Youtube




I will to provide a summary shortly, watcing the video currently.

Quoting Alex, from the video:

- Really well thought out squad tactics game, part XCOM, part Dawn of War II, recommends to anyone who likes the genre, or SRPGs
- AAA Presentation
- Lavish cutscenes can be ran at 60 FPS or higher if you have the rig
- VRS can be toggled on or off, in the video there was a 20 FPS increase with VRS maxed out
- Currently VRS is only available to Turing GPUs on PC, but will be coming to RDNA 2 GPUs with DX12 Ultimate, and confirmed for XsX
- At 4k with highest settings, Gears Tactics will run at around 47 FPS on a 2080ti, turning on VRS increases performance by 13 percent, maxing it out increases performance by 21 percent
-

- Does not recommend using VRS and dynamic resolution scaling together, you get a worst of both worlds in image degradation, seems to prefer DRS over VRS in this game

Alex recommends these tweaks for those with midrange GPU for best performanc/IQ combo, can improve performance by over 70 percent and still maintain quality fidelity

---

- Looks like game uses 9+ gigs of VRAM at 4k with higher settings (12:10 mark)
- With optimized settings, mid-range cards like the 1060 and RX 580 seem to hover around 55ish FPS at 1440p

Those JPGs are way too compressed for anyone to see anything.

but on the 400% zoom image I can see artefacts of VRS (I assume)... the image is pretty blocky in there, it looks similiar--but not exactly like--mpeg compression artefacts in dark areas of an image, blocky in an high resolution image... man this will make evaluating image quality pretty complex when we have new consoles with this kind of feature.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Are you comparing Gears Tactics to Crysis? Wow, Tactics should be a tour de force in graphics then...…..because I don't see it....

I mean, maybe not the equivalent of Crysis, but for a SRPG or turn based strategy game it seems to have pretty stellar production value

 

[Xyphie]

Gears 5 is probably the most technically complex game out there and this game builds on that branch of Unreal Engine so it's definitely up there.

When game devs include VRS in games they definitely need to give users granular controls over aggressiveness so you can configure it to not use more than 2x1/1x2, 2x2, 4x2/2x4 etc depending on preference.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

That's exactly what happens when the assets are higher quality than the CPU/GPU can actually render at targeted resolution/framerate. It's actually the quite opposite of what some PS/Cerny die-hard fans on the forum want normal people to believe in. Games like that, with isometric view, are where Mesh Shading should step into play, to save some resources on the geometry when viewed from far away, and get back that higher quality for close-ups, when it's actually needed.

Here is the part I think you may need to consider, this SSD tech is not about what you have on the screen now, because as you say, the GPU can only do so much work... but this is about how different the stuff you will have on the screen in the next second can be.

 

[ZywyPL]

Here is the part I think you may need to consider, this SSD tech is not about what you have on the screen now, because as you say, the GPU can only do so much work... but this is about how different the stuff you will have on the screen in the next second can be.

That's actually what Mesh Shading is responsible for, rendering only the things that are actually visible on the screen. Where the data comes from hos nothing to do with it, you can have tens GB of RAM and VRAM and the performance can still tank if you overload the CPU/GPU, that's just how things work.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

That's actually what Mesh Shading is responsible for, rendering only the things that are actually visible on the screen. Where the data comes from hos nothing to do with it, you can have tens GB of RAM and VRAM and the performance can still tank if you overload the CPU/GPU, that's just how things work.

But however, let's say you want to show something that requires you to show something completely different in the next screen, different enough that you need to fill the screen with an entirely different area that uses enough memory so that you have to refill the memory almost completely... No amount of mesh shading will do that (it does make the dataset smaller for fine details).

 

[01011001]

I wonder why it doesn't support DLSS2.0
VRS + DLSS2.0 would be a perfect fit. the parts of the image that get degraded by VRS could be scaled up again by DLSS2.0 and the resulting image would look almost indistinguishable from native resolution I bet.
even when the whole image is at a lower resolution DLSS2.0 comes close to a native image.

this is a usecase of AI upscaling that I never heard anyone talk about honestly

 

[M1chl]

Yes, there is definitely a noticeable visual degradation with VRS ON, even moreso on VRS performance.

Still, the performance on a 2080ti for this game is simply out of whack.....Unreal really needs to do something about this....There's no reason a strategy game should incur such penalties on potent hardware...

I would say that running anything on 4k is simply shit. There is talk about Dynamic res, being better options for this. I also think that technology needs to mature. 'member Tesselation?

I wonder why it doesn't support DLSS2.0
VRS + DLSS2.0 would be a perfect fit. the parts of the image that get degraded by VRS could be scaled up again by DLSS2.0 and the resulting image would look almost indistinguishable from native resolution I bet.
even when the whole image is at a lower resolution DLSS2.0 comes close to a native image.

this is a usecase of AI upscaling that I never heard anyone talk about honestly

The issue with likes of Control is that, it does not use Ai when it comes to DLSS 2.0 (in Control). It was simply run through neural network at nVidias servers and that model was included in GPU drivers. That's why it works so great. Realtime would not present such results, but at the end of the day, developers can create this offline ML model for any game, since they sure have some spare computational power.

 

[MMaRsu]

Sweet gonna stream some in a bit

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Just booted the game and tweaked some settings, ran some benchmarks. For the genre it looks phenomenal. Runs great on my 2070 Super.

 

[ZywyPL]

But however, let's say you want to show something that requires you to show something completely different in the next screen, different enough that you need to fill the screen with an entirely different area that uses enough memory so that you have to refill the memory almost completely... No amount of mesh shading will do that (it does make the dataset smaller for fine details).

That still has nothing to do with performance, whether you store a 20M polygon model or different 20M polygon model, if the hardware can only render 15M models at targeted framerate you're screwed anyway.

 

[sendit]

No wonder they didn’t release this on the Xbox One. This game is crippling 2080 Ti’s for no good reason.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

At 1440p I’m not getting close to dipping below 60fps with everything on, mostly
Ultra but some high (shadows and shadow map resolution on high/not maxed out) with planar and glossy reflections turned on.

 

[Jesb]

Was wondering how my old 7970 runs on this and not too bad. Stable 60fps on medium settings.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

That still has nothing to do with performance, whether you store a 20M polygon model or different 20M polygon model, if the hardware can only render 15M models at targeted framerate you're screwed anyway.

Effectively, they are different things, raw performance is great, but being able to feed the calculator with numbers is great too... what do you gain when going from 10M polygons to 12M polygons? and how much can you gain from being able to fill all the memory you use for game data with new data in a split second instead of two seconds, 5 minutes?

I've posted this a million times, so I'll do it again, having an SSD feeding video ram directly allows you to render things that are otherwise impossible:

 

[faraany3k]

Game has great vibe to it too. Lot more faithful to Gears original saga.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Unreal 4 keeps delivering, such a great engine. I wonder if we will see Unreal 5 in the near future?

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Unreal 4 keeps delivering, such a great engine. I wonder if we will see Unreal 5 in the near future?

was wondering this myself when that XsX games 4chan leak came out and said a lot of games using UE4. It's a great engine, but I can't wait to see what the next level is

 

[rofif]

I don't see it. It doesn't look THAT good. Kinda like more zoomed out gow5 but I did nout found gears 5 especially good looking too

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Are you comparing Gears Tactics to Crysis? Wow, Tactics should be a tour de force in graphics then...…..because I don't see it....

What are the specs of your pc you're using?

 

[CrustyBritches]

Just started putting the game through it's paces on R5 1600+2060 Super. I'm getting around 6-8% perf increase on Quality VRS, and 14-17% perf increase on Performance VRS. In the benchmark, getting 63fps Avg with VRS Off @ 1440p/Ultra Preset. 67fps Avg VRS 'Quality', and 73fps Avg VRS 'Performance'.

Minor gripes, but I wished the benchmark was fully canned and didn't vary with tactical positioning. Makes it hard to do a side-by-side. I haven't paid enough attention to see if there's a few presets that repeat. Another minor gripe is that most of the low frames occur during the load-up of the level, it would be nice if they didn't start profiling it until after this happens.

Does anyone know if there's an option to control Dynamic Resolution? I feel like I'm missing something.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Does anyone know if there's an option to control Dynamic Resolution? I feel like I'm missing something.

You mean like getting it to upscale if you’re above the minimum FPS?