Andodalf
Banned
damn, too bad they’re locked down and can never add new games. If they could, they could just keep adding new games when next gen comes!
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Xbox Game Pass is five times more popular than PlayStation Now
damn, too bad they’re locked down and can never add new games. If they could, they could just keep adding new games when next gen comes!
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
The reason Microsoft can offer the big games from third parties is because of that rotation. The library of Now is now starting to adapt the same method. The AAA games on the service rotate in and out just like Game Pass. If you go and look and Now you can see when games are leaving the service and you will notice a trend of smaller games having ongoing access while the AAA all have end dates.
The difference is Sony doesn't leave their first party stuff on the service to help the library to continually grow.
Microsofts first party games definitley cant match the quality of Sony's. They dont have the Spider Mans and the God of War, but they are attempting to rectify that. BUt they still have quality games like Gears 5, Halo MCC, Ori and the Will of the Wisps, Forza Horizon 4, which are staying on the service and not going anywhere.
The library of AAA will continue to grow on Game Pass as they have invested in it with their IP while Now will only continue to grow with smaller games.
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SuperLupeRap
Banned
Nah you're right, the tone of my response was a bit off.
Rolla
Banned
I'd love to know a couple of things about gamepass.
My nephews and everyone at there school who games insist that you can finess GP monthly for £1. I'm not into either service but the money generated by both might be disproportionate. Especially since XBOX makes no distinction between free subs and people paying full price month in month out.
My nephews and everyone at there school who games insist that you can finess GP monthly for £1. I'm not into either service but the money generated by both might be disproportionate. Especially since XBOX makes no distinction between free subs and people paying full price month in month out.
Journey
Banned
So more subs at giveaway prices and Gamepass is crushing PSNOW. Sound logic surely. One of these two are profitable, I wonder which one....
Blockbuster was profitable; Netflix wasn't.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And this would be the worst thing Sony could include in PS NOW. It'll be extra stupid. This article is pure trash!
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Yes PSN and PS Now wants to compete with Xbox Live and Game Pass, Xbox Live has dominated consoles since the early 2000s.
Fun Fanboy
Banned
Pffft. Just for now. Wait until next gen! PS Now will wipe the floor with gamepass!
Screamer-RSA
Member
Yup
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
PS Now is a Games as a service now too.
The Scrivener
Member
Exactly.
Man, I keep forgetting about all those PC exclusive GP titles, like Undertale.
CaptainClaw
Member
Do you have any evidence for your claim?...shiii who am I kidding ofcourse you don't.
prinz_valium
Member
PS Now is not a streaming only service anymore.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
You have to have Xbox Live Gold bought for that, so it's still not a 1 or 2USD, but yeah it's like that. Because "who does not have Xbox Live Gold", well PC guys does not have it so answer is "not really"...
DrScissorsMD
Banned
Did you really just compare a single games lifetime sales to a single month of a sub service. “You pay first, you get what ever they give you” dafuq is this. You can look up what’s currently offered on GP at any time, in no way is it hidden, not mentioning it’s guaranteed to have the latest and all upcoming 1st party games. Implying Sony doesn’t care is the weakest possible excuse.
Source on MS paying a million per AAA on GP?
“Sony doesn’t just release Spiderman” and? MS doesn’t just have GP with just its current slate of games.
Lmao. In your rush to defend a service you claim Sony themselves don’t care about, you’ve implied it’s cheaper to run, as it has shitter games on it, yet according to half the SDF in this thread they’re charging as much as ten times the amount as GP? What terribly shit value.
Source on low revenues? How can you see them having 10mil+ users as “no growth”? That makes no sense.
Even for a fanboy post that is a weird ass take
So it’s all shilling? Even if that were true, that doesn’t change the numbers.
Good to know you’ll suck dick for a dollar.
??? Do Netflix come out every year and tell everyone their plan to recoup their investment? What do you guys gain from these weird sales obsessions. If a service is as good a value as GP is, even if it ends up being unprofitable or unsustainable and stops being offered down the line, what do you guys gain from arguing about it now? I don’t get it. Let the higher ups at the companies worry about it and stop with the constant GP FUD.
The fact you even interpreted the article as some kind of popularity contest slight against you suggests you never made it past third grade.
Yeah you’re right, cause GP can’t grow their titles list. They’ll just pack up shop cause the meanies on GAF chucked the toys out of the cot cause they dared to offer GP so cheap. Fuckin ludicrous.
That wasn’t fun (or even funny) at all.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
While it's true that PS Now will inevitably keep adding new titles to the service, this is going to be a pretty stark contrast when Next Gen launches.
Game Pass will have Next Gen games on the Series X from day one. Halo Infinite, Hellblade 2, The Medium, etc. Meanwhile, PS Now might add games like Days Gone or Death Stranding to the service by then, which will be games that will be 1-2 years old by the time the PlayStation 5 rolls out. At their current clip, it'll be 1-2 years after PS5 launches before PS5 games will start showing up on the service. Kinda like how at the beginning of this gen, PS Now was playable on the PS4 but only had PS3 games.
Or perhaps their business model will change. Maybe they'll start trying to attract solid 3rd party output like how Game Pass had Streets or Rage 4 or Blair Witch on day one, and they'll get a few PS5 games at launch as part of the service. If that happens, it'll be fun to see how people think that's just Sony being amazing and fail to grasp that they're having to adjust their business model to compete with the offering of the competition.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Fixed.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
For the longest time people assumed Game Pass had less than 5 million subscribers. Then suddenly they announce 10 million (previous statement was "millions of subscribers" in 2018) and now some trolls say there is no growth. LOL. Three years from 0 to 10 million. Six years from 0 to 2.2 million.
Virex
Banned
Yes you can download the games as well. But it's a streaming service first and foremost. Comparing it to xcloud is more appropriate
Psykodad
Banned
Not really. I don't see MS putting GamePass on Playstation as long as they sell consoles.
manfestival
Member
I do not believe game pass vs px now personally is an apples to apples comparison. Considering one is a streaming service and the other is not. Then one actually offers new and big games on release and the other does not. I love my playstation(I don't have an xbox) but I see real value in PS NOW(or other streaming services currently). I do see the value in game pass and absolutely love it. I sing its praises to my friends and my good word of mouth has convinced them to subscribe and we play streets of rage 4 and halo together currently.
Brofist
Member
Oddvintagechap
Member
If we are going to put the best possible numbers then lets do it.
10Mx10$x12=1.2B <Multiple games
13Mx60$x1=780M <One game
But again people arent playing 10 per customer. And Spiderman came out 2 years ago and the average price probably would be closer to 40$. Again maybe Microsoft’s games dont cost much to make considering Crackdown 3 looks worse than God of War 2. Maybe Big M is making them profits. But I bet you Uncharted 4 is more profitable then the entirely of gamepass’s existence.
SoloKingRobert
Banned
PS Now: Interferes with your games license, you can't download the game you already own since you've played it on PS Now, License becomes invalid.
Xbox Game Pass: Downloadable games on PC and Xbox consoles, 20% off Games, 10% DLCs that's within the service. Xcloud coming soon. Extra Rewards points... Best Value in gaming.
Xbox Game Pass: Downloadable games on PC and Xbox consoles, 20% off Games, 10% DLCs that's within the service. Xcloud coming soon. Extra Rewards points... Best Value in gaming.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
So now you're revising the very numbers you initially stated. Ok. lol
Don't worry. If you're a Sony shareholder and enjoy Sony getting big revenue from selling first party games, that's fine.
I prefer paying $1 for 3 years of Gamepass Ultimate where there's first party games on day one and much more third party focus on recent games. And all games on the service are downloadable too. None of that streaming stuff.
I'll let MS worry about Xbox Gamepass denting their balance sheets where they make about $10 billion profit per quarter.
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Yeah well, sure but I am not so sure how much Superman cost in development/PR costs, etc. And how much with GamePass...
prinz_valium
Member
That's news to me. But I don't own games on PSN, so I'm fine
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Some things to consider...PSNow was released before GamePass. Playstation also has at least double the install base as Xbox.
Putting actual earnings aside because for one, we don't know what those earnings actually are...and two, Xbox is very much still in the investment (first one's for practically free) phase of their service...the difference in numbers are pretty impressive. So impressive that I dare say it's what caused Sony to try and revitalize PSNow after years of leaving it dormant. They added downloadable games and again I think at some point they'll be following suit on some other features of Gamepass.
Putting actual earnings aside because for one, we don't know what those earnings actually are...and two, Xbox is very much still in the investment (first one's for practically free) phase of their service...the difference in numbers are pretty impressive. So impressive that I dare say it's what caused Sony to try and revitalize PSNow after years of leaving it dormant. They added downloadable games and again I think at some point they'll be following suit on some other features of Gamepass.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
It's not a coincidence they added games to download and slashed the price to match the monthly cost of gamepass.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Its sponsored content. i.e marketing in disguise.
Which is fine if that's what you want to read, but its still a pretty scummy, deceptive tactic.
If you've been following this stuff for as long as I have, its entirely unsurprising given that MS has been astroturfing since the OG Xbox, but its still a bit of a lame way of promoting their business.
At the end of the day GamePass isn't elevating hardware sales, which is kind of a big deal as you need Xbox hardware to get the most out of the service. This in turn means its not drawing eyeballs away from Sony and Nintendo, leaving Xbox languishing third in a field of three as per usual.
prinz_valium
Member
martino
Member
in the end AAA or not it's still more games i could like so not really a problem
it's better than less games. that i'm sure i can't like.
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Whatever fanboy. Facts are facts.
cryptoadam
Banned
But 0 times 5 is still 0 LOL.
Game pass is the one thing I am jealouse about and if I would go next gen it would probably be an Xbox because of that.
I did try PSNOW, using the streaming and found it decent but the library doesn't match up to what gamepass offers.
Game pass is the one thing I am jealouse about and if I would go next gen it would probably be an Xbox because of that.
I did try PSNOW, using the streaming and found it decent but the library doesn't match up to what gamepass offers.
martino
Member
it's still a valid criticism and why i'm not a fan
because content don't stay
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prinz_valium
Member
Exactly facts are facts. You just don't have any.
It's just Business Insider needing some clicks and making an article.
Kokoloko85
Member
Sounds like an article by an xbox fan boy.
Look at the price comparison and advertise difference lol.
How about Playstation selling double the amount of xbox and “ABSOLUTELY CRUSHING” them on Software sales and console sales, has more “Huge Implications” to next generation than streaming numbers?
Maybe because Xbox threw everything at gamepass and the kitchen sink to succeed and put some games on there day 1?
Why would Nintendo and Playstation put there games on stream on day 1?.....
O wait they dont need to, because people actually buy there games unlike Xbox....
Look at the price comparison and advertise difference lol.
How about Playstation selling double the amount of xbox and “ABSOLUTELY CRUSHING” them on Software sales and console sales, has more “Huge Implications” to next generation than streaming numbers?
Maybe because Xbox threw everything at gamepass and the kitchen sink to succeed and put some games on there day 1?
Why would Nintendo and Playstation put there games on stream on day 1?.....
O wait they dont need to, because people actually buy there games unlike Xbox....
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Sounds like a post from a Playstation fanboy. It even comes with flawed grammar and hyperbole as well.
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ANIMAL1975
Member
Exactly, and that's why is only available in 19 countries. 7 of those countries were added last year, which may have contributed to the spike in number of subscriptions, but the core of the service stays the same: using streaming servers, or else PSNow 'only download' could be available everywhere using the regular psplus and net servers.
And in my opinion, you can also add this shorter country availability to the list of reasons of why there is that popularity difference.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
You can adjust whatever numbers you want again, but the basic underlying concepts you are forgetting:
1. Gamepass is a much better value than PS Now, in terms of games and $1 deal which many of us did. So whether MS is maxing out revenue or subsidizing it for gamers who cares. Do you want to pay $60 for Spiderman? Or pay $1? If you want to pay $60 go ahead.
2. Sub plan revenue (GP or PS Now) is annual. Your game is one game, and the typical big seller like Spiderman comes out once every 3-4 years. Sony has multiple studios so there is always going to be 1 or 2 big sellers per year which is fine
3. Who knows how much MS games sell, but your assumption is every MS game sells zero copies
Who cares if UC4 is super profitable. MS's relatively new division (Cloud) makes more profit than Sony as an entire company. And Sony chose MS for Azure cloud over anyone. More profits for MS. MS will likely gouge them a bit too as a competitor.
Sony stock was about $125 in 1999. Its now $63. -50%. MS stock was $60 in 1999 (split adjusted), pays dividends including a special $3/share dividend way back, and is now $184. Tripled.
See list wars are fun aren't they?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The bolded is silly talk in a video game forum though. Like the question that's underlined. What do you mean "who cares if UC4 is super profitable"? And I doubt MS will gouge Sony in pricing for their servers considering MS isn't the only ones out here with them.
ResilientBanana
Member
Yeah, Sony or Nintendo don't market this way. /s
Kokoloko85
Member
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