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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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azertydu91

Hard to Kill
I ate a Carolina reaper once.

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Alright !i think we derailed the thread enough now and I followed your advice and ignored x defense force (or something like that).
I like technical talks with different opinions as long as they're informed and constructive.
 
Alright !i think we derailed the thread enough now and I followed your advice and ignored x defense force (or something like that).
I like technical talks with different opinions as long as they're informed and constructive.

A little humor every once is a while is fine.

:messenger_grinning:

Yeah just don't pay attention to people that really get on your nerves. It's not worth losing your cool over them.

As for technical discussions I love them since I learn alot about the technology that we are going to use. But I always like dealing with facts and with level headed speculation. I don't like talking about unrealistic things such as GPUs in the power brick for example. Or how Sony will magically makeup for the teraflop difference and how Microsoft will do the same with their I/O.

Like I said many times before each system has their strengths and weaknesses. Both of them will play games well.
 

azertydu91

Hard to Kill
A little humor every once is a while is fine.

:messenger_grinning:

Yeah just don't pay attention to people that really get on your nerves. It's not worth losing your cool over them.

As for technical discussions I love them since I learn alot about the technology that we are going to use. But I always like dealing with facts and with level headed speculation. I don't like talking about unrealistic things such as GPUs in the power brick for example. Or how Sony will magically makeup for the teraflop difference and how Microsoft will do the same with their I/O.

Like I said many times before each system has their strengths and weaknesses. Both of them will play games well.
Amen.
Quick question is my pc ssd faster if I throw it out the window?
 

bitbydeath

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He's asking where he says it's not possible on any other system. It doesn't say that. It merely says that they couldn't show this without the breakthroughs Sony made. Who says Microsoft didn't make breakthroughs with their XVA to make it possible on the XSX? We just don't know.

It states the level of detail isn’t possible on other systems which is probably related to the 8K textures but will it even be that noticeable? Both machines will deliver excellent looking games.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Why would people buying a magazine called "Official PlayStation Magazine UK" be interested in the Series X?

They obviously are going to be excited for those games coming to the system that the magazine is based on.
Multiplatform
 

Corndog

Banned
“This is not just a whole lot of polygons and memory. It’s also a lot of polygons being loaded every frame as you walk around through the environment and this sort of detail you don’t see in the world would absolutely not be possible at any scale without these breakthroughs that Sony’s made.”

you starting to harass people with your nonsense. get to your senses if you have any.
So because I have a different opinion I am harassing people? You know what an echo chamber is right?
Again that quote is in reference to Sony not anyone else. Is it possible that only ps5 is capable of running this demo? I don’t think so but sure I could be wrong.

As I said multiple times now show me the quote where epic says this demo could not be done on series x. If epic does this in the future then I will change my view.
 

PaintTinJr

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The series x has more throughput then ps5. Yes it has less then half the ssd speed but throughput(bandwidth)!is based on ram bandwidth.
Not where it matters for asynchronous compute AFAIK, and the UE5 demo relies heavily on async compute for the two software renderers IIRC.

The unified bandwidth for CPU and GPU on the PS5 gives it a distinct advantage for avoiding CPU task latency - with that being a double concern for the XsX with less CPU bandwidth and IO taking CPU time - which then sabotages the efficiency of the GPU's async tasks(Compute, 3D pipeline and DMA copying from the IO complex) because latency propagates from CPU to GPU in async scheduling according to both AMD/NVIDIA in their joint GDC 2017 talk.


Even with poor task pairings for compute and 3D on PS5, the IO complex's priority system and double transfer rate means that the PS5 can be more flexible with its IO to try get the data to fit whatever latency gaps are available, and provide options that just won't exist to keep the async workloads on time in lesser systems.
 
So because I have a different opinion I am harassing people? You know what an echo chamber is right?
Again that quote is in reference to Sony not anyone else. Is it possible that only ps5 is capable of running this demo? I don’t think so but sure I could be wrong.

As I said multiple times now show me the quote where epic says this demo could not be done on series x. If epic does this in the future then I will change my view.

They won't do that because that could harm their relationship with MS. Why harm ypur own business even if its true?
 

Corndog

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Not where it matters for asynchronous compute AFAIK, and the UE5 demo relies heavily on async compute for the two software renderers IIRC.

The unified bandwidth for CPU and GPU on the PS5 gives it a distinct advantage for avoiding CPU task latency - with that being a double concern for the XsX with less CPU bandwidth and IO taking CPU time - which then sabotages the efficiency of the GPU's async tasks(Compute, 3D pipeline and DMA copying from the IO complex) because latency propagates from CPU to GPU in async scheduling according to both AMD/NVIDIA in their joint GDC 2017 talk.


Even with poor task pairings for compute and 3D on PS5, the IO complex's priority system and double transfer rate means that the PS5 can be more flexible with its IO to try get the data to fit whatever latency gaps are available, and provide options that just won't exist to keep the async workloads on time in lesser systems.
So you are saying throughput is not memory bandwidth? And 90 percent of what you wrote has nothing to do with bandwidth and the rest is your speculation.
 
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Corndog

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They won't do that because that could harm their relationship with MS. Why harm ypur own business even if its true?
Why show UE5 on ps5 devkit? It obviously was a good move for Sony. I doubt Microsoft was happy about it. They could of been platform agnostic and ran it on pc.

Edit: plus you have tons of people on here claiming that epic already did say it couldn’t run on series x. So has does that argument fit?
 
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farmerboy

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Regarding Sega.

Imagine, if you will, they released a unit that played all 500 or so of their arcade releases. And maybe also licensed some other stuff (Capcom, Namco, Neo Geo). A dedicated online store, nothing too crazy price wise, $150 console, $15 games. Maybe some new releases, as in arcade style games.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
 

ZeroFool

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Why show UE5 on ps5 devkit? It obviously was a good move for Sony. I doubt Microsoft was happy about it. They could of been platform agnostic and ran it on pc.

Edit: plus you have tons of people on here claiming that epic already did say it couldn’t run on series x. So has does that argument fit?
They said it was run in 2019 as well right? We know it was an older slower devkit.

For fun I will say it was slow enough to match XSX speeds 😜😘
 
Why show UE5 on ps5 devkit? It obviously was a good move for Sony. I doubt Microsoft was happy about it. They could of been platform agnostic and ran it on pc.

Edit: plus you have tons of people on here claiming that epic already did say it couldn’t run on series x. So has does that argument fit?
Do you know a SSD solution with an IO which can give you 9 GB/s of real bandwidth in PC ? because if we are going to explore possibilities first we need to know
what is available in PC more than GPU/CPU.
 
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So you are saying throughput is not memory bandwidth? And 90 percent of what you wrote has nothing to do with bandwidth and the rest is your speculation.

Isn’t he saying that latency is more critical than bandwidth for scheduling Async Compute tasks?

Not where it matters for asynchronous compute AFAIK, and the UE5 demo relies heavily on async compute for the two software renderers IIRC.

The unified bandwidth for CPU and GPU on the PS5 gives it a distinct advantage for avoiding CPU task latency - with that being a double concern for the XsX with less CPU bandwidth and IO taking CPU time - which then sabotages the efficiency of the GPU's async tasks(Compute, 3D pipeline and DMA copying from the IO complex) because latency propagates from CPU to GPU in async scheduling according to both AMD/NVIDIA in their joint GDC 2017 talk.


Even with poor task pairings for compute and 3D on PS5, the IO complex's priority system and double transfer rate means that the PS5 can be more flexible with its IO to try get the data to fit whatever latency gaps are available, and provide options that just won't exist to keep the async workloads on time in lesser systems.

What do you mean when you describe PS5 as having “unified bandwidth for CPU and GPU”, and how that differs with the XSX?
As far as I’m aware they’re the same in that regard? Or are you talking about the first 10GB having more bandwidth but then the average dropping when using more than that?
 

dr guildo

Member
I have a bias for Xbox, so I'm looking at it with optimism. I believe that their might be a possibility that the UE5 demo can't run the same way on the Xbox as it did on the PS5, but I hope it does. And as long as I don't see an industry professional claiming that this isn't possible, or Epic releasing tech specs of the demo (which they won't) I believe XSX might also be able to run it. And I don't agree that it's an assumption without a base. When Microsoft says that 100GB of assets is instantly available via XVA, why would I not believe them? Of course we don't know what they mean by "instant", but I'm and optimist so... 😊

That paragraph doesn’t say what you think it does.
Again quote the sentence that says that the demo can’t be run on series x. IIf it can’t be done on series x why not just say that?

Edit: To clarify. The only thing that sentence says is this demo would not be able to run on ps5 devkit without breakthroughs Sony has made right.

It says nothing about how it would run on series x. People act like Microsoft just threw in an ssd an called it a day. They have custom hardware as well(and no I’m not saying the Xbox ssd is as fast as ps5).
Maybe you are totally correct and it wouldn’t be possible. But let’s wait for actual confirmation and not make huge assumptions. It wasn’t too long ago a lot of people thought ps5 was over 13 TF.

Cognitive Dissonance
The term cognitive dissonance is used to describe the feelings of discomfort that result when your beliefs run counter to your behaviors and/or new information that is presented to you.1 People tend to seek consistency in their attitudes and perceptions, so when what you hold true is challenged or what you do doesn't jibe with what you think, something must change in order to eliminate or reduce the dissonance (lack of agreement). A classic example of this is "explaining something away."
 
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Why show UE5 on ps5 devkit? It obviously was a good move for Sony. I doubt Microsoft was happy about it. They could of been platform agnostic and ran it on pc.

Edit: plus you have tons of people on here claiming that epic already did say it couldn’t run on series x. So has does that argument fit?

Its called politics.
Its something else if you implyit indirectly or if your statement can't be misunterstood.

I use such methods in my line of work all day. For example I have the order to try selling someone something thats overprized or not optimal for his businesseven though we could offer better solutions. So i'm guiding the conversation with him towards a specific thought of line without saying it directly. My client will be happy because I helped him to get a cheaper or more usefull product but my company can't blame me for loosing a client or that I helped him to pick the better solution.
 

Andodalf

Banned
Cognitive Dissonance
The term cognitive dissonance is used to describe the feelings of discomfort that result when your beliefs run counter to your behaviors and/or new information that is presented to you.1 People tend to seek consistency in their attitudes and perceptions, so when what you hold true is challenged or what you do doesn't jibe with what you think, something must change in order to eliminate or reduce the dissonance (lack of agreement). A classic example of this is "explaining something away."

Like when you believe something new will replace the established metrics of power that have been universally used for decades! You’re getting it!
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
That TLOU2 gameplay gonna be insane! Time for some challenging gameplay. Looks wonderful and I think it'll be a solid GOTY contender along with CyberPunk 2077 and Ghost ot Tsushima. A great way to end a great generation for Sony.

And have been told all of those games you mentioned will have a day zero PS5 patch can't wait to see what they look like on there.
 

Sinthor

Gold Member
Why show UE5 on ps5 devkit? It obviously was a good move for Sony. I doubt Microsoft was happy about it. They could of been platform agnostic and ran it on pc.

Edit: plus you have tons of people on here claiming that epic already did say it couldn’t run on series x. So has does that argument fit?

Well then the PC market would have been mad at them. Plus they already said, for the 10,000th time, that the demo, as it was running there, would only be possible due to the I/O present in the PS5. They've later clarified that this I/O is FAR ahead of even the fastest available on PC today. So..... I mean....they've said it as clear as they can. They're not going to be exclusive to one side or make statements against one platform or the other because...they are making a freaking multi-platform engine.
 
Like when you believe something new will replace the established metrics of power that have been universally used for decades! You’re getting it!
Used by who, any people who have made a heavy application never said just flops (only that) for refer to "power" instead those who only knows what is a "hello world" is, use flops as only metric.

Is like say my truck can run finish faster that circuit than you car because have more HP.

Look your comment was good received by Xbox discord :lollipop_squint_tongue:
 
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Bo_Hazem

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And have been told all of those games you mentioned will have a day zero PS5 patch can't wait to see what they look like on there.

I can't see myself waiting, but would try them out on PS5 if nothing interesting by launch. I'll preorder the deluxe edition. I'll not do the same mistake that I fell for the drama about Days Gone that made me wait for months before buying it, and turned out to be one of my best games ever, and I play lots of different games and standing beyond 180 games so far on PS4. Personally, might replay Days Gone if the PS5 patch is good enough.

In the meanwhile need to kill the wait for PS5 with some quality time with quality games. Some others have built some kind of stamina and endurance with all the wait they've been through but I personally can't. 90% of my games are preordered.:messenger_face_screaming:
 
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