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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check

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cryptoadam

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COVID-19 has been a somewhat surreal experience. Basically the human experience has fundamentally changed for everyone, for some limited amount of time at least.
Was surprising to see so many Western European nations like France, Italy, Spain and UK handle it so poorly - the per capita deaths are substantially worse than the US. The US likely has a pretty robust medical system but the messaging was all over the place so people didn't take it seriously in time.

The worst problem right now is the messaging for sure. People are blaming Trump for being an idiot and trying to make masks political - but they only need to look at themselves. You have the facts from scientists at your disposal, stop bending over backwards for supporting a dysfunctional government and actually think about your fellow citizens instead of politics.

Lastly, based on what I'm reading on pneumonia reporting and total deaths, and states trying to hide Covid deaths, the reality is that we are definitely undercounting. Excess deaths is likely around 15%. For a single event/scenario to cause such a dramatic increase in deaths is pretty staggering. Can't even imagine what would have happened if shutdown measures and other precautions weren't put in place, or put in place much later.

We about to find out thanks to these riots. Gonna see if people gonna start dropping dead in about 2-4 weeks.
 

cryptoadam

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They're protesting over the Regis case.

And this is bad, really, really, really bad because it's based on something even the family lawyer claims is not true.

Supposedly, mostly based on the young woman who fell from a balcony.

At first the family claimed the cops pushed her but they are backing off and its really sounding like she tried to jump to another balcony and fell. the cops were responding to an assault and she had mental problems.

Its also restarted to think Toronto cops are going to push a women out a window because she is black. Like really think people. They just want an excuse to get outside and not be called COVIDIOTS.
 

Stouffers

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I haven't worn a face mask once during this so called crisis. I don;t bother with Social distancing, because it really does nothing in the end. Staying inside is actually pointless as well. But things are slowly going back to normal where I am. Which is good. I cannot say that I feel threatened by a common form of influenza.
When you have a 6’ neck, there’s no need to distance or wear a face mask.
 
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Deleted member 17706

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COVID-19 has been a somewhat surreal experience. Basically the human experience has fundamentally changed for everyone, for some limited amount of time at least.
Was surprising to see so many Western European nations like France, Italy, Spain and UK handle it so poorly - the per capita deaths are substantially worse than the US. The US likely has a pretty robust medical system but the messaging was all over the place so people didn't take it seriously in time.

The worst problem right now is the messaging for sure. People are blaming Trump for being an idiot and trying to make masks political - but they only need to look at themselves. You have the facts from scientists at your disposal, stop bending over backwards for supporting a dysfunctional government and actually think about your fellow citizens instead of politics.

Lastly, based on what I'm reading on pneumonia reporting and total deaths, and states trying to hide Covid deaths, the reality is that we are definitely undercounting. Excess deaths is likely around 15%. For a single event/scenario to cause such a dramatic increase in deaths is pretty staggering. Can't even imagine what would have happened if shutdown measures and other precautions weren't put in place, or put in place much later.

15% excess deaths? Where are you getting this?


The country is at 104% of expected deaths (versus the average from 2017 ~ 2019) and that's primarily due to the shitty situation in places like New York City (232% of expected deaths) and New Jersey (152%).
 

pLow7

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Sounds a little conspiracy theory like. If we have any Germans is any of this true ?

It's bullshit.
There was a paper that was published, Not "leaked" as they suggest.
The Guy asked several scientists ( All of them Anti-Lockdowns ) about the situation, while using his Work (.gov) email.

There was some conversation in the media because the dude used his work mail for private reasons.

All in all the document didn't stand and was rightfully criticised by every leading virologist in germany. This Is also a few weeks old.
 

pel1300

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Not gonna
We about to find out thanks to these riots. Gonna see if people gonna start dropping dead in about 2-4 weeks.
Not gonna happen. Worldwide poor countries are unable to test people so they just let the virus spread and invent fake numbers to look good while their people do not follow social distancing rules.

People aren't dropping like flies in these countries. I'm currently in one of them.

Now the places where people do drop dead are consistently nursing homes that take in infected patients. That happened in Sweden, New York, Michigan, and New Jersey. The more we hear the more we learn infection occurs mostly indoors.

As time passes on more and more ppl will realize that we need to follow the immunity approach which was the original goal(with quarantine temporarily) but somehow people forgot the whole point of flatten the curve. In Korea they just tightened restrictions because case numbers went up a bit after they reopened schools. They are just delaying the inevitable.
 
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Cutty Flam

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This may help you guys or someone you know in the future probably; I have some information from a couple of doctors including how they would handle Covid-19 if they caught it:

1) Monitor symptoms: pay close attention to your body’s response and how you are feeling. He left it at that, but personally, I would begin to guzzle as much water as I can and try to maybe eat a can of quality soup or two, as well as take elderberry syrup, oregano oil, probably extra zinc. And I’m huge on vitamin D so I would try to relax in the sun for a good 10 min or so if it’s out to prepare for whatever I have to face

2. If symptoms[ match with Covid-19 symptoms:take Azithtomycin or Z-pak. It’s an antibiotic that rapidly reduces inflammation. He went on to say that Covid-19 attacks the body mainly through inflammation so that was his second step, take Azithromycin

3. Test oxygen levels with a pulse oximeter: If you are fine and your levels are over 90 then you do not need to go to the hospital. His tone suggested don’t go to the hospital if you can avoid it, maybe he doesn’t think they treat their patients with the utmost care? but that’s just what I got out of his tone. Step 3 is check your oxygen levels with the pulse oximeter and make sure it’s at 90 or above

4. If the oximeter reads under 90 for your oxygen levels go to the hospital and take Remdesivir. Remdesivir is an anti-viral and according to him, very successful in treating coronavirus. It’s no magical bullet, you can’t expect it to always succeed, but the drug interferes with the virus’ genome, disrupting its ability to replicate, therefore lowering the amount of time it takes recover from the disease. I read into one study on it performed by The United States National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) and they found that Remdesivir cut symptoms from 15 days down to 11 days. The trials involved 1,063 people at hospitals around the world including the U.S., France, Italy, the U.K., China, and South Korea. So Remdesivir is likely able to reduce your time fighting the disease by four days

Hope this helps some people. I really don’t want to see anybody have to fight this. My sister has a friend from high school who caught it and she had several complications and was in the hospital for a month, an entire month. This new coronavirus really attacks the body fiercely and I hear that many have complications after the fact as well? Can anybody inform me on that if it’s true? Thanks guys, stay prepared and play it safe if you can. This entire ordeal is terrible but we always have the opportunity to learn
 
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nbcjr

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This may help you guys or someone you know in the future probably; I have some information from a couple of doctors including how they would handle Covid-19 if they caught it:

1) Monitor symptoms: pay close attention to your body’s response and how you are feeling. He left it at that, but personally, I would begin to guzzle as much water as I can and try to maybe eat a can of quality soup or two, as well as take elderberry syrup, oregano oil, probably extra zinc. And I’m huge on vitamin D so I would try to relax in the sun for a good 10 min or so if it’s out to prepare for whatever I have to face

2. If symptoms[ match with Covid-19 symptoms:take Azithtomycin or Z-pak. It’s an antibiotic that rapidly reduces inflammation. He went on to say that Covid-19 attacks the body mainly through inflammation so that was his second step, take Azithromycin

3. Test oxygen levels with a pulse oximeter: If you are fine and your levels are over 90 then you do not need to go to the hospital. His tone suggested don’t go to the hospital if you can avoid it, maybe he doesn’t think they treat their patients with the utmost care? but that’s just what I got out of his tone. Step 3 is check your oxygen levels with the pulse oximeter and make sure it’s at 90 or above

4. If the oximeter reads under 90 for your oxygen levels go to the hospital and take Remdesivir. Remdesivir is an anti-viral and according to him, very successful in treating coronavirus. It’s no magical bullet, you can’t expect it to always succeed, but the drug interferes with the virus’ genome, disrupting its ability to replicate, therefore lowering the amount of time it takes recover from the disease. I read into one study on it performed by The United States National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) and they found that Remdesivir cut symptoms from 15 days down to 11 days. The trials involved 1,063 people at hospitals around the world including the U.S., France, Italy, the U.K., China, and South Korea. So Remdesivir is likely able to reduce your time fighting the disease by four days

Hope this helps some people. I really don’t want to see anybody have to fight this. My sister has a friend from high school who caught it and she had several complications and was in the hospital for a month, an entire month. This new coronavirus really attacks the body fiercely and I hear that many have complications after the fact as well? Can anybody inform me on that if it’s true? Thanks guys, stay prepared and play it safe if you can. This entire ordeal is terrible but we always have the opportunity to learn
Forget about remdesvir. If you want to take an unproven medication, take hcq
 

Cutty Flam

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Forget about remdesvir. If you want to take an unproven medication, take hcq
I think you’re right on that, Remdesivir is probably way more dangerous. I didn’t know hcq has been around and in use for so long. If I were to get this disease I would pick hcq. Just goes to show how human doctors are. It never fails
 

Pizdetz

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15% excess deaths? Where are you getting this?


The country is at 104% of expected deaths (versus the average from 2017 ~ 2019) and that's primarily due to the shitty situation in places like New York City (232% of expected deaths) and New Jersey (152%).

Same agency and probably similar data, but plotted in a way that shows excess deaths per week:

The 104% number is and average that uses about a month before the crisis began and 3-4 recent weeks where they have not counted all the deaths (notice the low numbers that should at least be close to 100%,and right in the table notes it says there is a 1-8 week lag for data collection).

For anyone wanting to compare data by country: https://www.theguardian.com/world/n...xcess-deaths-uk-has-one-highest-levels-europe

Another article looking at the numbers more explicitly, beyond just excess deaths from Covid, the number of excess deaths in general has also spiked due to people dying for other related reasons (maybe being too afraid to go to a hospital): https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/coronavirus-excess-deaths-may/

In the article it states the excess deaths between March 1-May 9 was about 102K. Given a death rate of 220K/month on average, the real impact is actually around 20% increase in the death rate (roughly) for this period.
Pretty incredible, and the US is not even the hardest hit.
 

cryptoadam

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There isnt even enough resdemsvir to take they had to have loterries to give it to people. And its IV only so its not some pill or shot you take.

If you want to avoid Corona just go to a riot and steal some nikes or bust into a target. Bonus protection if you beat someones head in.

At least thats how it seems based of the last 6 days
 

darkinstinct

...lacks reading comprehension.

Sounds a little conspiracy theory like. If we have any Germans is any of this true ?
It was just a retard employee that used official paper to make his crazy report seem legit. How is this news now, happened a month ago.
 

ManaByte

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What if the real cure for Covid was just the media latching onto a new narrative all along?

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Deleted member 17706

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Same agency and probably similar data, but plotted in a way that shows excess deaths per week:

The 104% number is and average that uses about a month before the crisis began and 3-4 recent weeks where they have not counted all the deaths (notice the low numbers that should at least be close to 100%,and right in the table notes it says there is a 1-8 week lag for data collection).

For anyone wanting to compare data by country: https://www.theguardian.com/world/n...xcess-deaths-uk-has-one-highest-levels-europe

Another article looking at the numbers more explicitly, beyond just excess deaths from Covid, the number of excess deaths in general has also spiked due to people dying for other related reasons (maybe being too afraid to go to a hospital): https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/coronavirus-excess-deaths-may/

In the article it states the excess deaths between March 1-May 9 was about 102K. Given a death rate of 220K/month on average, the real impact is actually around 20% increase in the death rate (roughly) for this period.
Pretty incredible, and the US is not even the hardest hit.

The virus has likely been in the country since December, 2019 at the latest. Most places have been in lock down since early March. Even with a 1-8 week lag in data, a mere 4% increase in total mortality compared to the three-year average is not a massive spike. If you look at it locally or at specific weeks, sure it might look really bad, but it's important to account for the big picture as well.

Poor black people? I thought they were above the old white people for those in danger?

What poor black people? I think you mean white supremacists.
 
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Stouffers

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There’s only one way to solve America’s woes now: convince Trump and Biden to take molly the night of the first debate and broadcast the 2 hour make-out sesh.
 
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JordanN

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What the blot clot.

Back in April when my family came down sick, I remember having a "squeezing" sensation in my legs. It was something I've never felt before in my life.
Similarly, my dad first told me he was having tremendous pain in his leg, and my mother said she was feeling lots of pain in her toes.

So maybe it does have something to do with the blood.
 
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I think you’re right on that, Remdesivir is probably way more dangerous. I didn’t know hcq has been around and in use for so long. If I were to get this disease I would pick hcq. Just goes to show how human doctors are. It never fails
I've heard hcq is good early stage as an antiviral to slow down replication. Late stage once the virus has massively replicated and the viral load is overwhelming the body it is not as effective.

Also heard it's good with zinc. Many trials are being politicized giving it late stage and without sync trials designed to fail.

The virus has likely been in the country since December, 2019 at the latest. Most places have been in lock down since early March. Even with a 1-8 week lag in data, a mere 4% increase in total mortality compared to the three-year average is not a massive spike. If you look at it locally or at specific weeks, sure it might look really bad, but it's important to account for the big picture as well.
Covid 19 is not a high mortality disease. The mortality is 1-2%, mostly affecting the elderly. The real issue is that the rate of people requiring hospital care was around 5-7%, and that could easily overwhelm the hospital system if the disease was let loose.
 
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Sejan

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Brazil is being rocked by this virus right now, but their numbers are off.


The virus is still growing exponentially for them. Their doubling rate appears to be every 10-14 days since it was at 25,000. Obviously, this is a problem, but the bigger issue is that their data has to be incredibly incomplete. With 505,000 confirmed cases they have only done 930,000 tests giving them a positive rate of 54%. This is a clear sign that they are only testing people that are already quite sick. Of those 505,000 confirmed cases, they are listing 205,000 recovered. This high recovery rate suggests that they are either catching cases really late or they are listing cases as recovered too early. Either of these possibility creates a situation where the virus has much more possibility to spread.

Stay safe Brazil.
 

pLow7

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I've heard hcq is good early stage as an antiviral to slow down replication. Late stage once the virus has massively replicated and the viral load is overwhelming the body it is not as effective.

Also heard it's good with zinc. Many trials are being politicized giving it late stage and without sync trials designed to fail.


Covid 19 is not a high mortality disease. The mortality is 1-2%, mostly affecting the elderly. The real issue is that the rate of people requiring hospital care was around 5-7%, and that could easily overwhelm the hospital system if the disease was let loose.


It's like people forget what happened in northern Italy.
 

Nymphae

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“In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy,” said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy’s coronavirus contagion.
 

Chaplain

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"Former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb cautioned against the potential spread of coronavirus as thousands of people take to the streets to demonstrate." (5/31/20)

 

eot

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I kinda stopped following the news for a while, what's happening in Brazil? They're going to be #2 in the death toll pretty soon
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
Corona what? Im sorry Im too distracted by my country burning to the ground

I don't see how the lockdowns could have any legitimacy at this point. Like in New York, De Blasio sends the cops after a tanning salon in Staten Island that tried to open early (and I would say, for SI, tanning salons are essential), but just shrugs at thousands of rioters throwing shit and looting.
 

Ailynn

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Hope our good friend Ailynn Ailynn is doing ok after not feeling well!

Aww, thank you so much! ❤

My roommate and I are thankfully feeling mostly better, and we just got letters about the swab test saying we tested negative for Covid-19. I'm not sure what it was because we had most of the symptoms, but I hope the results are true!

Much love to everyone, and I hope you and your loved ones all stay safe and well! 🙏💗
 
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I don't see how the lockdowns could have any legitimacy at this point. Like in New York, De Blasio sends the cops after a tanning salon in Staten Island that tried to open early (and I would say, for SI, tanning salons are essential), but just shrugs at thousands of rioters throwing shit and looting.
Fyi I don't entertain conspiracies is was just a joke post
 
It's not a conspiracy, how can these governors and mayors enforce a lockdown while they are letting this shit go on.
Because the Dems are too afraid to take them on. I bet they haven't mobilized in fear of seeing more police brutality in the riot control. Its' a valid concern considering what has happened and the hatred for cops but this shit can't go on it's pure chaos at this point.
 

cryptoadam

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It's not a conspiracy, how can these governors and mayors enforce a lockdown while they are letting this shit go on.

They can't but they will try. Most likely they get a windfall that tons of people get sick from these riots. But if they don't they are extra screwed. But now they have curfews as the new lock downs. So as long as these riots continue they can keep everything shut down. COVID replaced by #riotvirus.

But they should just send everyone back to work and open schools. Kids and young adults have nothing to do except "protest" all day. And if these shops were open with people in them they wouldn't be going around looting.

So just send everyone back to work because clearly social distancing and lock downs don't matter anymore. Who knew rioting and looting was the vaccine all along.
 
Brazil is being rocked by this virus right now, but their numbers are off.


The virus is still growing exponentially for them. Their doubling rate appears to be every 10-14 days since it was at 25,000. Obviously, this is a problem, but the bigger issue is that their data has to be incredibly incomplete. With 505,000 confirmed cases they have only done 930,000 tests giving them a positive rate of 54%. This is a clear sign that they are only testing people that are already quite sick. Of those 505,000 confirmed cases, they are listing 205,000 recovered. This high recovery rate suggests that they are either catching cases really late or they are listing cases as recovered too early. Either of these possibility creates a situation where the virus has much more possibility to spread.

Stay safe Brazil.
Thank you my friend.

The situation here is catastrophic.
 
gangster shit

It's funy. In the town that I live in, I think people are just over this. Nobody really social distances, people aren't wearing masks. There are a few stores around me tnat have signs up that say "Only 20 in store at once" or "only 30-70 in store" and those signs are not being enforced by anyone. I think people have really short attention spans, and Covid hit its limit in the media.
 
This may help you guys or someone you know in the future probably; I have some information from a couple of doctors including how they would handle Covid-19 if they caught it:

1) Monitor symptoms: pay close attention to your body’s response and how you are feeling. He left it at that, but personally, I would begin to guzzle as much water as I can and try to maybe eat a can of quality soup or two, as well as take elderberry syrup, oregano oil, probably extra zinc. And I’m huge on vitamin D so I would try to relax in the sun for a good 10 min or so if it’s out to prepare for whatever I have to face

2. If symptoms[ match with Covid-19 symptoms:take Azithtomycin or Z-pak. It’s an antibiotic that rapidly reduces inflammation. He went on to say that Covid-19 attacks the body mainly through inflammation so that was his second step, take Azithromycin

3. Test oxygen levels with a pulse oximeter: If you are fine and your levels are over 90 then you do not need to go to the hospital. His tone suggested don’t go to the hospital if you can avoid it, maybe he doesn’t think they treat their patients with the utmost care? but that’s just what I got out of his tone. Step 3 is check your oxygen levels with the pulse oximeter and make sure it’s at 90 or above

4. If the oximeter reads under 90 for your oxygen levels go to the hospital and take Remdesivir. Remdesivir is an anti-viral and according to him, very successful in treating coronavirus. It’s no magical bullet, you can’t expect it to always succeed, but the drug interferes with the virus’ genome, disrupting its ability to replicate, therefore lowering the amount of time it takes recover from the disease. I read into one study on it performed by The United States National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) and they found that Remdesivir cut symptoms from 15 days down to 11 days. The trials involved 1,063 people at hospitals around the world including the U.S., France, Italy, the U.K., China, and South Korea. So Remdesivir is likely able to reduce your time fighting the disease by four days

Hope this helps some people. I really don’t want to see anybody have to fight this. My sister has a friend from high school who caught it and she had several complications and was in the hospital for a month, an entire month. This new coronavirus really attacks the body fiercely and I hear that many have complications after the fact as well? Can anybody inform me on that if it’s true? Thanks guys, stay prepared and play it safe if you can. This entire ordeal is terrible but we always have the opportunity to learn

I can contest that it does still mess with you weeks later.

I have mostly recovered from it but still get dizzy spells and breathing problems now and again, and at my worst I kept getting shocks throughout my body as well as heavy breathing. It is very scary to have.
 
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