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[PaintTinJr]

You'd think that devs would be smart enough not to give up their seat at the table. Which is what happens the very moment you are limited to a single distribution avenue. I'd hope they'd see the value in an open and competitive market, without that, they devalue their own work.

MS's relationship with developers and publishers is stronger than ever at the moment, with a few of the bigger names especially. I think they'll be fine.

They wouldn't be limited, they are merely looking out for their own interests in terms of sales and profits, and reducing risk.

What choice do they have to let the cutting edge get away from them? Sony have moved the paradigm to improve gaming, and with that usually comes a reward.

If publishers let their developers produce inferior products to rivals - through lack of time/funding -their games look less appealing and the reputational damage of being unable to leverage the advantages of a powerful/complex platform comes soon enough - as the PS3 showed, when 18months on, all 3rd party games were better on PS3, even DF couldn't remain king maker by acknowledging that.

So a simpler platform like PS5, with impressive middleware already available to utilise the advantages is going to make it hard to hold off the playstation consumer demands for superior products.

 

[GermanZepp]

Dude wtf u doing

It's a troll account. Already ignored.

 

[DaGwaphics]

as the PS3 showed, when 18months on, all 3rd party games were better on PS3, even DF couldn't remain king maker by acknowledging that.

In what world my friend, certainly not the one revolving around the sun.

Consoles with different capabilities have been around forever. Games will be there for everyone.

 

[FeiRR]

I would think his time is too valuable, but he can choose that himself of course. I don't see Bill Gates explaining on Twitter that corona isn't his fault to the weird conspiracy theorists...

What are we doing here then?

 

[kuncol02]

as the PS3 showed, when 18months on, all 3rd party games were better on PS3

Especially Bayonetta and Orange Box.

 

[LordOfChaos]

I don't quite understand everything Tim Sweeney is saying but I still think he is owning that guy

You got it right.

It's amazing that people think they know more about this than Tim. He said it was the best, he did not say it had a higher maximum read speed than anything on PC, those drives still aren't doing what the IO complex is set to do with removing the bottleneck and load from the CPU from decompression, DMAs, check ins, and memory mapping directly into CPU and GPU memory space.

All these people pointing to multi thousand dollar PC drives as proof he's wrong have, willfully or not, misunderstood the whole point. Gosh, just watch and see if it's all worth it in the end, maybe it leads to some of this coming over to the PC and benefiting us all.

 

[SSDfan]

It is absolutely insane the fact that some Anonynous anime profile on twitter is on the crusade against the Head of Unreal Engine himself becsuse he is happy with Sony solution for PS5 for data streaming.

They think they have better knlowledge. I am in disbilief

 

[Three Jackdaws]

You got it right.

It's amazing that people think they know more about this than Tim. He said it was the best, he did not say it had a higher maximum read speed than anything on PC, those drives still aren't doing what the IO complex is set to do with removing the bottleneck and load from the CPU from decompression, DMAs, check ins, and memory mapping directly into CPU and GPU memory space.

All these people pointing to multi thousand dollar PC drives as proof he's wrong have, willfully or not, misunderstood the whole point.

Yeah I find it hilarious, PC master race people are getting so mad over Sweeney it's hilarious, one of the replies to Sweeney I saw was something along the lines of "linus built a 22 GB/s SSD so PS5 is not the fastest! haha Ponies are so deluded!", failing to mention at all that was multiple stacked SSD's in a RAID setup which cost about $2000, it's really an apples to oranges comparison.

 

[pawel86ck]

Why do you think we see state of decay 2 loading in 10 seconds for a 5 GB RAM game, and resuming in 6 seconds on XSX (the resume will be using all the XSX hardware and tricks and has been written for fast resume).

I think MS with that 100 GB comment are trying to change the file system for streaming, I just dont think they are ready yet (otherwise they would of shown it last month is logical)

Man, why you have to post the worst possible numbers for XSX, and the best possible for PS5?

These BC games arnt using XSX I/O potential for sure (XSX HW decompression support only BCPack) and there's even YT video comparison with 500 MB/s SSD on PC showing exactly the same (11 seconds) load time and obviously XSX should load games faster than 500 MB/s.

Suspended games load faster but it's still not optimal I/O XSX speed because data is already unpacked, therefore only SSD RAW speed is used instead of BCPack.

Your 5 GB for xbox one games (you wanted to say 5.5 GB probably, but whatever) is just your guess, but the most probable scenario is 9.5 GB for Xbox One X games and maybe even 12 GB if XSX dumps entire RAM data from Xbox One X games..

I expect games build for XSX will load in around 3 seconds because that's how long it will take to fill available 13.5 GB RAM with BCPack 4.8-6 GB/s data transfer. PS5 will load games 2-3x games faster (one second), but not 11x times faster (11 seconds).

 

[ThisIsMyDog]

 

[LordOfChaos]

Yeah I find it hilarious, PC master race people are getting so mad over Sweeney it's hilarious, one of the replies to Sweeney I saw was something along the lines of "linus built a 22 GB/s SSD so PS5 is not the fastest! haha Ponies are so deluded!", failing to mention at all that was multiple stacked SSD's in a RAID setup which cost about $2000, it's really an apples to oranges comparison.

Or the 'Despite bold claims' thread, with someone saying the decompression time would be faster on a 64 Ryzen core 3990 (MRSP also 3990)

It's like, alright man...Sounds like the IO complex was worth it then. And it's still not mapped directly into GPU memory space that way or any of the rest of it.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

ThisIsMyDog
T I M Dog

GOTCHA!




(Sorry, long day at work)

 

[Sinthor]

Jeeeeeeeeeeezzz! What NOW??!! Watch it move to 'Q1 2021' or worse... 'coming Spring 2021!' Just........wow.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

My first reaction is to panic but I am gonna hold out until there is official. Could mean nothing. Ryan did just give that interview saying they are "absolutely on track." We'll see. Would be a huge bummer if delayed but I have faith in the Holiday launch window

 

[SlimySnake]

This is the worst fucking timeline.

 

[geordiemp]

Man, why you have to post the worst possible numbers for XSX, and the best possible for PS5?

These BC games arnt using XSX I/O potential for sure (XSX HW decompression support only BCPack) and there's even YT video comparison with 500 MB/s SSD on PC showing exactly the same (11 seconds) load time and obviously XSX should load games faster than 500 MB/s.

Suspended games load faster but it's still not optimal I/O XSX speed because data is already unpacked, therefore only SSD RAW speed is used instead of BCPack.

Your 5 GB for xbox one games (you wanted to say 5.5 GB probably, but whatever) is just your guess, but the most probable scenario is 9.5 GB for Xbox One X games and maybe even 12 GB if XSX dumps entire RAM data from Xbox One X games..

I expect games build for XSX will load in around 3 seconds because that's how long it will take to fill available 13.5 GB RAM with BCPack 4.8-6 GB/s data transfer. PS5 will load games 2-3x games faster (one second), but not 11x times faster (11 seconds).

The numbers and times for State decay 2 and the 5 or so quick resume games are what were chosen by Microsoft not me lol. You can look it up yourself.

Also I doubt all of those 5 games which run on 5 GB RAM hardware current gen genuinely take up 13 GB lol, that is also wishful thinking. Some are 2 D games ....mmm.

There is something not right, and yes I believe its the file system which MS are probably working on a dedicated partition or something, maybe thats where the 100 GB comes in.

SFS+ is selecting parts of geometries and textures, does not speed up a resume. Also resume on XSX is saved by XSX and reloaded, so it will be using all the hardware available...so I dont buy the

we were not ready narrative

MS are not stupid but they are where they are, and I suspect they were a bit blindsided by that UE5 demo - otherwise MS would of shown something quicker.

The issue with MS is the absraction layers and apis, advantages for BC but can slow shit down. I could give you dev links from current gen and Dx11 woes but cannot be arsed.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

 

[travisktl]

I don't think there anything to panic over. They simply just removed the banner about the reveal, and the holiday 2020 text was a part of that. I'm sure it will be replaced with something as soon as the date is rescheduled.

 

[ethomaz]

TimDog is back

 

[ksdixon]

This is getting beyond a joke now. Reinstate the PS4 staff team.

 

[Vaztu]

This looks like a misinterpretation. Other Norwegian, Dutch websites have the old image with 2020 written.

Sony replaced that image with the controller image. This new one does not have 2020 written in the image.

So, its not that Sony REMOVED it. The new image never had it in the first place.

FUD goes round and round, round and round, round and round.

 

[Andodalf]

Think it’s just a bit of a redesign and that the phrase went without notice. Should mean nothing

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Think it’s just a bit of a redesign and that the phrase went without notice. Should mean nothing

Agreed. If there is a delay I would think it would be announced shortly but I think it's fine.

 

[pasterpl]

meta description on the page still says that it will launch this year

 

[zaitsu]

This looks like a misinterpretation. Other Norwegian, Dutch websites have the old image with 2020 written.

Sony replaced that image with the controller image. This new one does not have 2020 written in the image.

So, its not that Sony REMOVED it. The new image never had it in the first place.

FUD goes round and round, round and round, round and round.

And this fud is product of them being lazy with marketing, canceling only event theyhave annouced 3 days before. Some people refuse to belive PS5 exists because of how they handling things this year.

 

[SlimySnake]

This is getting beyond a joke now. Reinstate the PS4 staff team.

#FireJimRyan
#BringBackTretton

This couldnt possibly get any worse. At this point i wouldnt be surprised if this console is $599 and is indeed 8 tflops the majority of the time like the discord era says it is. Those sad mother fuckers were right about 36 Cus, who the fuck knows at this point. This thing feels like a trainwreck and reeks of botched executive decisions.

 

[Dodkrake]

why the date may have been removed:

1. Console may be delayed
2. Error editing the page
3. Page is being refactored and we'll get an actual date come the 12th
4. Who the fuck knows

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

I don't think there anything to panic over. They simply just removed the banner about the reveal, and the holiday 2020 text was a part of that. I'm sure it will be replaced with something as soon as the date is rescheduled.

No man! Dont talk sense.

Let the drama and theatrical posts start again. Who cares about what the Playstation boss said 4 days ago.

 

[Vaztu]

And this fud is product of them being lazy with marketing, canceling only event theyhave annouced 3 days before. Some people refuse to belive PS5 exists because of how they handling things this year.

This announcement was done on 29th May, 4 days ago. The website was changed then, no one noticed it till now. Why is this coming out now?

Sure the marketing could be done better, but 2020 has not been kind at all.

 

[Leo_Barcellos]

So everyone is trying to access https://www.playstation.com/en-us/ps5/ huh?

The page just doesn't load here....

 

[Corndog]

Its more than that, its the latency and REAL world performance as Tim sweeny referred to with driver abstraction layers (DX12) and slow reactions / bottlenecks.

Why do you think we see state of decay 2 loading in 10 seconds for a 5 GB RAM game, and resuming in 6 seconds on XSX (the resume will be using all the XSX hardware and tricks and has been written for fast resume).

I think MS with that 100 GB comment are trying to change the file system for streaming, I just dont think they are ready yet (otherwise they would of shown it last month is logical)

Because it’s using the old api and it has to read as well as write the full amount. I know Sony is faster but you are exaggerating the speed difference between the two. We should at least wait until Sony demonstrates their game pause and resume for older games to get an accurate comparison.

 

[Moses85]

Sony again playing with everybody

 

[pasterpl]

No man! Dont talk sense.

Let the drama and teatric posts start again. Who care what the Playstation boss said 4 days ago.

I agree that there is no point Of panicking and some people read too much into website update, but your argument is funny taking into consideration that The reveal event, announced late last week was postponed

 

[Vae_Victis]

This really wouldn't surprise me at this point.

• Supply and assembly in Asia will be messed up for months still at the best of times, even if there are no new large Covid waves (which increases assembly costs the more, the quicker and the more consoles you want done)
• South America's economy is going down the drain
• Africa and India will most likely be a blood bath due to the several diseases spreading with little hope to contain them effectively
• Europe will face some degree of recession and unemployment crisis and there could be more lockdowns here and there near the end of the year, which could get worse due to mass migrations from Africa
• The US scored the Apocalypse Bingo and will pretty much get all of the above at once, with political unrest inevitably surging as we draw nearer to the elections right in October and November

From Sony's point of view, aiming for a Fabruary-April 2021 launch does sound like a much safer bet.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Ah, gotta love these Gaffers that jump to 'Sony is doomed' at the minor tidbit of info/rumour...Let's just forget 25 successful years of gaming, they are just a bunch of morons who know nothing about the market.

 

[Leo_Barcellos]

 

[FranXico]

The Belgian page still says "holiday 2020".

What are people on lately?

 

[sircaw]

No man! Dont talk sense.

Let the drama and teatric posts start again. Who care what the Playstation boss said 4 days ago.

Agree, who the hell listens to big wigs or experts around here anyway. On a side note Stuff that Fraud Cerny and that other guy who has no idea what he is talking about, Sweeney.

I hope people don't take me to seriously.

 

[Andodalf]

Ps5 graphic designer confirmed fired from marketing dept.

 

[Vaztu]

The Belgian page still says "holiday 2020".

What are people on lately?

The US page changed the picture. The new pic doesn't have 2020 written anywhere. Hence, trolls trolling, doomers dooming.

 

[Vae_Victis]

So everyone is trying to access https://www.playstation.com/en-us/ps5/ huh?

The page just doesn't load here....

It loads correctly for me. Maybe it's your browser, there is old cache from before a change on the page messing it up?

The Belgian page still says "holiday 2020".

What are people on lately?

In English and other languages (e.g. Italian) the "Coming Holiday 2020" text was removed. Now the banner only says "PS5" and there is an animation of the DualSense.

 

[FranXico]

The US page changed the picture. The new pic doesn't have 2020 written anywhere. Hence, trolls trolling, doomers dooming.

Oh I get it.

Finally! Phony R ded!! I waited 7 years for this! RIP piecezzz!

 

[saintjules]

I'm trying to remember what it looked like before. Do we have an image of that?

 

[Vroadstar]

something some of you deny hard is ps5 advantage is not what compression data make it like to be (one compress huge part of the data better even if we don't have the detail of how much in practice (outisde 70-75% reference))
i did a quick math with 50% advantage on textures
and MS will keep up up to 6gb/s. if the advantage is 70-75% they can probably keep up to nearly 7gb/s
in the end the advantage will probably be ~3gb/s for ps5 so ~50% (still god like vs awesome like they said)
but the advantage will not be over 150%.

also MS advantage with this method is also smaller game sinstalled on the disk (1/5 less seems about right).

WTF did I just read?!!!

 

[DaGwaphics]

I agree that there is no point Of panicking and some people read too much into website update, but your argument is funny taking into consideration that The reveal event, announced late last week was postponed

Just ignore it. There's so much wrong with that narrative. For one, games with XSX patches do utilize more than 5GBs of memory. Two, when a new state is resumed the current one is saved, doubling the data being moved. And three, there is more than file loading happening on the system at that point.

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

I agree that there is no point Of panicking and some people read too much into website update, but your argument is funny taking into consideration that The reveal event, announced late last week was postponed

Did I hurt you so much with my previous post that you even felt the need of trying to bait me to deliver a personal vendetta?

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

I don't think there anything to panic over. They simply just removed the banner about the reveal, and the holiday 2020 text was a part of that. I'm sure it will be replaced with something as soon as the date is rescheduled.

That is what I was thinking, I think the upcoming reveal is going to give a solid release date which is why it got removed. It would be a horrible move to postpone until next year and give Microsoft such a big lead.

 

[Vae_Victis]

I'm trying to remember what it looked like before. Do we have an image of that?

Just go to the NL version of the page, it wasn't updated yet.

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It just said "PS5 coming soon available Autumn 2020"

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I agree that there is no point Of panicking and some people read too much into website update, but your argument is funny taking into consideration that The reveal event, announced late last week was postponed

Delaying an online stream by a little while due to civil unrest is a little different than postponing a full console launch already months away though.

Jim Ryan seemed pretty adamant a few days ago, "We are absolutely on track for global holiday launch."

Jim Ryan: "We remain absolutely on track. We're going to launch this holiday, globally." Pandemic not impacting price.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps5-might-be-in-short-supply-for-launch-but-it-won/1100-6477875/?PostType=link&TheTime=2020-05-29T14%3A47%3A54&UniqueID=60EBF4AC-A1BB-11EA-BE51-8EE5C28169F1&ServiceType=twitter&ftag=ftag%3DGSS-05-10aab8e Speaking with GameSpot sister site CNET, PlayStation boss...

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Ah, gotta love these Gaffers that jump to 'Sony is doomed' at the minor tidbit of info/rumour...Let's just forget 25 successful years of gaming, they are just a bunch of morons who know nothing about the market.

It's silly to think anyone is doomed. I think some people are just a little too wrapped up in the drama right now. Just need to take a deep breath and step back, everything is gonna be fine. Just IMO of course

 

[SlimySnake]

Ah, gotta love these Gaffers that jump to 'Sony is doomed' at the minor tidbit of info/rumour...Let's just forget 25 successful years of gaming, they are just a bunch of morons who know nothing about the market.

its been a series of events. this whole fucking year has been a mess.


December 2019 - They literally watched Phil reveal his new console in front of them, boast about being the most powerful and show a game that looked far better than the PS5 game at the game award.
Jan 2020 - After 1 month of anticipation, they went to CES only to show a logo.
Jan 2020 - Sony cancels their E3 conference.
March - After two months of no communcation, Releases a poorly received Road to PS5 video without the UE5 demo which was ready to go at that point.
June - After another two months of dragging their heels, cancels the reveal two days after announcing it.

And I am not buying this 25 years of being successful BS. JC Penny was successful for 100 years. It went backrupt last week. Companies rise and fall in America. The PS3 is proof that Sony can fuck up a launch big time. Xbox One is proof that after the success of Xbox 360, MS could fuck up. Same goes for the Wii U.

In fact, Nintendo has been successful for 30 years now and they are as irrelevant as ever when it comes to pushing tech forward. No one even brings up Nintendo in tech threads and they are selling record number of consoles. Them being successful and profitable means nothing to me and 99% of the posters in this thread. the Past simply doesnt matter, we need to judge them for the way they have gone about revealing their new console and its been a fucking disaster so far.