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[DF] What Graphics Card Do You Really Need for 4K PC Gaming?
- Thread starter Bullet Club
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The usual DF bullshit.
None. You can never have a card that will render a perfect picture in 4K.
Or any other resolution.
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skneogaf
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Always surprises me when steam shows how few pc gamers have top end cards.
Pc master race doesn't apply to 90 percent of pc gamers.
I forget that my 2080ti may not run everything at 60fps as I use gsync on my LG c9 so I run everything at max.
Hopefully a 3080ti will allow me to use the LG c9 at 4k 120hz with gsync and I'll try turning on a fps counter to see what the numbers are.
Pc master race doesn't apply to 90 percent of pc gamers.
I forget that my 2080ti may not run everything at 60fps as I use gsync on my LG c9 so I run everything at max.
Hopefully a 3080ti will allow me to use the LG c9 at 4k 120hz with gsync and I'll try turning on a fps counter to see what the numbers are.
JareBear: Remastered
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Do they include DLSS 2.0 as part of the equation? If not, then 2080 Ti seems like your only real contender. If they do, then other cards are viable (althought DLSS 2.0 needs to be come more widely supported in games)
MadchesterManc
Member
I generally get by with an RX 5700XT by simply dropping down to high from ultra, maybe using some RIS here & there too. You'd be surprised how much performance you can get back for a minor drop in quality.
To be honest tho if a game supports 3840x1620 then I'll use that. Ultrawide is a nice option instead.
To be honest tho if a game supports 3840x1620 then I'll use that. Ultrawide is a nice option instead.
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Soodanim
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The main body of the video is the classic raw performance at 4k Ultra settings you expect from these, but the ending isn't the standard.
In summary: No card does 4k60@Ultra, and devs are moving towards dynamic resolution scaling tech. UE5 is mentioned as having dynamic resolutions that are only noticeable when zoomed in Photoshop. A few DLSS settings are also compared, with Rich saying he easily prefers the minor clarity loss at DLSS 2.0 @ 80% to native 4K with performance issues. The conclusion is that DLSS 2.0 and similar tech is the future, especially with the diminishing returns of throwing power into native resolutions (4K, 8K).
There's also a side note about how Windows is crap at 4K scaling and because of that he prefers 1440p monitors for desktop stuff.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
Stop.
Obsessing.
Over.
Max.
Settings.
Seriously. People need to stop caring about what some text in a menu says. Bumping select options down can often massively improve performance without any noticeable degradation in image quality. For those of us still on mid-range Pascal cards like the GTX 1070 this is a must, but even for those running 2080Ti the benefits to ditching your ultra fetish are there.
johntown
Banned
For me max settings is the whole reason I do PC gaming. I want the best the game can give. If you don’t care that’s fine but I am waiting for cards that can run 4K 60fps Max setting and until that happens I’m staying at 1080p 60fps.........max settings.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
The problem with this stance is that 9 times out of 10 "the best the game can give" literally cannot be visibly discerned from "just below the best the game can give but with +20FPS". But hey, you're free to do as you please, your loss I guess.
Senua
Gold Member
Yes it can, just not all ultra settings.
MisterBrimstone
Member
Who gives a flying fuck about 4k if you can't feel the 144. That's where the groin tingles baby.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
You would be surprised how much performance you can get back if you just bump the settings down a step. Most of the console equivalent settings aren't even on High as seen with Digital Foundry's RDR2 breakdown.
Senua
Gold Member
It amazes me how so few people know or care about this fact.
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If I could set up 2880 x 1620 on AMDs VSR I would settle for that resolution. Full fat 4k is a waste of resources, as are Ultra settings. I am amazed of how good most AAA games looked this past generation of consoles with the exception of some outliers like Prey. I am playing Ryse son of Rome and even at 720p and low settings, it looks really good as long as you play with max textures.
Hopefully the next gen machines aim for 4K 60 FPS so I can keep playing games at 1080p just fine!
Hopefully the next gen machines aim for 4K 60 FPS so I can keep playing games at 1080p just fine!
Mecha Meow
Member
Then you're a damn fool because the median between high and ultra is very thin with a decent performance bump for toggling (like a proper pc player, imagine that, having decent choices that affect performance) properly betwixt the two.
I can run most games at 4k60 on my 1080ti and they look beautiful even with reduced settings. Moreso using my main monitor which is 1440/144hz
I was like you until I realized I chased upgrades too much for minimal gains.
Dr.D00p
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..because when you've spent $1500 on a GPU, lowering settings kind of defeats the point of spending $1500 on a GPU.
JimboJones
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Wut, did you even watch the video?
kraspkibble
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The most powerful one you can afford!
I gave up chasing 4K and just stuck with 1440p 144hz.
I gave up chasing 4K and just stuck with 1440p 144hz.
MightySquirrel
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I cringe everytime I see comments about peeps buying 4K screens and then running games at fluctuating all over the place sub 60 fps. And then same peeps go on online to cry how weak their graphics cards are... there are millions of benchmarks online showing exactly how much fps you'll get from almost any game at any res.
Why not get 2560x1440 screen instead and enjoy fantastic smoothness - enjoy the way the games are meant to be played? 2560x1440 ~100+ fps with vrr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4K sub 60 fps. Even average cards do great at wqhd res. Don't limit your enjoyment with 4K screens fellers wtf.
Why not get 2560x1440 screen instead and enjoy fantastic smoothness - enjoy the way the games are meant to be played? 2560x1440 ~100+ fps with vrr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4K sub 60 fps. Even average cards do great at wqhd res. Don't limit your enjoyment with 4K screens fellers wtf.
Laptop1991
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i bought a 1440p monitor at the same time i got a 2080 super after saving for both, i didn't see the point in buying a bigger monitor if i didn't have the engine to run it, and the gpu's just arn't really there yet to keep the fps high enough for 4k in my opinion.
indigoSociety
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Honestly i havent had one single game yet that i cant run at 4k 60 fps on my 2080ti. No joke im not saying this to be defensive i just dont know what youre talking about. I play star citizen and red dead 2 both at 4k 60 fps.
JimboJones
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Have you tried Assassin's Creed Odyssey?
I think Richard is looking at it from a worst case scenario point of view, basically if your card can easily run problematic games like that at 4k 60fps your probably golden for 99% of all other games.
Until another gpu killer game emerges of course.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
Maybe it defeats the point if you care more about what the text in the graphics settings menu says than what the game actually looks like...
Boxman
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That's why DirectML is very important for Xbox. They need to utilise it for the same purpose of DLSS - AI upscale games to get better frames per second. I hope they're listening and observing what DLSS has achieved.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Realistic answer? The best you can afford.
Dr.D00p
Member
I get what your saying but before I settled on my 4K monitor, I tried a couple of 27in 1440p monitors and just wasn't that impressed with the visual upgrade 1440p gave compared to my old 24in 1080p monitor, as for 144hz, its only something that really benefits FPS & Racing games, which are not really on my radar anymore.
Playing the latest games was not my primary objective in wanting a 4K monitor, I mainly play emulated games these days, and upscaling them to a native 4K, they look truly incredible, layer on some shaders designed with 4K panels in mind, adds even more to them.
...and my RTX 2080 is powerful enough to do a perfect integer upscale to 8K in many games as well. Playing Tekken 6 at 8K 60fps via RPCS3 is pretty amazing.
kikonawa
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no that means, you should have spend 2000$ because you only can smoothly play at 1500$
indigoSociety
Member
I can go well over 60 fps in ac odyssey. Im sure there will be next gen games where it might force me to lock at 30 but i cant imagine that will be anytime soon. At that point i will have probably upgraded to a 3000 series because i am gluttonous lol. That game scorn shown at the series x game reveal event was running on a 2080 ti at a locked 60 as said by the developer. With all this being said i believe a 2080ti will carry someone quite far through this gen especially if i can get a locked 60 in star citizen and red dead. Those are next gen games in my opinion even though in a few years they might be considered mid tier graphically. So 4k 30 i think youre good the whole way and 4k60 id say probably till midway maybe longer depending on how graphic intensive the game is. But hey what do i know? Thats just the vibe i get. Gta5 looked better than any “next gen” game for quite a while.
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GlockSaint
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I wish more people would understand this, The difference between ultra and high is very very minute unlike in the past with games like crysis where every setting had a noticeable effect. And in most situations just turning down a couple of settings down a notch gets you an insane framerate bump without sacrificing visual fidelity at all.
GymWolf
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How so?
Until now we played with fake 4k?
GymWolf
Member
He is probably talking about 4k60 ultra details, and your gpu isn't enough for that with very heavy games like rdr2 or ac odissey.
Of course with a mix of ultra-high-medium details you are perfectly right.
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Senua
Gold Member
Only if you're a hard headed fool who can't stand to know you aren't playing maxed out.
If oyu want 4k 60fps you can do it, you just have to be smart about settings, people that say 2080 ti isn't a 4k 60fps card are stuck in the MAX OR NOTHING mentality and it's silly.
SometimeLaterToday
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Dr.D00p
Member
...except you didn't see a game, you saw a tech demo. We need to see how it runs once the CPU & GPU are having to do all the other stuff involved in running a game.
ZywyPL
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I'm pretty sure I played many games fully maxed out at 4K at 70-90FPS, some even 90-120 on my OCed 1080Ti... Depends on the games/engines - Doom/Wolfenstein, Battlefield/Battlefront, CoD, Forza Motorstorm/Horizon to name a few run well above 60, while others like let's say QB, PUBG, TWC3, RDR2 have a hard time hitting 60 even at 1440p if you really want every single setting cranked up to the max.
That being said, lowering or even disabling the "invisible" options like I like to call them easily allows the card to run the vast majority of games at 4K60. And no matter how many options you'll have tweak down by a notch or two the games will still look and run much better than on consoles, going for Ultra at all cost is just fucking dumb, it's like complaining a car cannot hit 60mph only because you refuse to change the gears, you're just hurting yourself on purpose.
GametimeUK
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I'm such a huge fan of cheating 4k. Checkerboard rendering, DLSS etc. Even better when a game has a resolution scaler and you can run the game at 90% for example. It really helps with my 2080.
I know people want that native image, but for me it honestly isn't worth it. I'm glad on PC you have options to play the game's how you like.
I'm happy with my 2080, some games I can get 4k60, but most games I'd rather keep the graphical fidelity at the expense of some of the image quality and I'm ok with that.
I know people want that native image, but for me it honestly isn't worth it. I'm glad on PC you have options to play the game's how you like.
I'm happy with my 2080, some games I can get 4k60, but most games I'd rather keep the graphical fidelity at the expense of some of the image quality and I'm ok with that.