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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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splattered

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Sinthor said:
Sorry, but your profile says you've been here since May 21, 2020. So you know what was going on in March???? Bottom line, my point is that over the years, you see things sway. The talk was all Xbox after the games reveal...as it should have been. Then here especially in May forward, everyone was anticipating the Sony event. I don't think people should feel persecuted as the conversations ebb and flow. If that kind of thing is that damaging to an individual, I would recommend that they stay away from internet forums and comments altogether. The internet is often a rough place.
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Conversations definitely ebb and flow but there are a handful of certain fans on both sides that have to constantly drive by shit post and create threads to try and take away attention of whatever they don't like currently being discussed.

I lightly troll in good fun at times but some people here really seem to have an unhealthy agenda/obsession.
 
Sinthor

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splattered said:
Conversations definitely ebb and flow but there are a handful of certain fans on both sides that have to constantly drive by shit post and create threads to try and take away attention of whatever they don't like currently being discussed.

I lightly troll in good fun at times but some people here really seem to have an unhealthy agenda/obsession.
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Well, that's true also. There's always a percentage of people in any group that are out on the fringes or 'radical.' I'm just talking about these forums not being solely for one platform or the other. The conversations get heavy on each side as information comes out, at least from what I've seen and yes with the exception of a few individuals as you noted. :)
 
Bo_Hazem

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husomc said:
That saliva on the sand sharks is definitely next-gen. At the least it shows how anal Insomniac are about attention to detail. Did we see anything similar in this gen?
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Setsuna Mudou

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Sinthor said:
Sorry, but your profile says you've been here since May 21, 2020. So you know what was going on in March???? Bottom line, my point is that over the years, you see things sway. The talk was all Xbox after the games reveal...as it should have been. Then here especially in May forward, everyone was anticipating the Sony event. I don't think people should feel persecuted as the conversations ebb and flow. If that kind of thing is that damaging to an individual, I would recommend that they stay away from internet forums and comments altogether. The internet is often a rough place.
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To be fair I was only registered here recently as well, but lurking around probably since the lead up to the ps4 reveal last gen :). That's most likely the situation for many other users :D
 
JareBear: Remastered

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iHaunter iHaunter just put up a thread about DF talking about RT effects in the PS5 trailers

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Neat little video from Digital Foundry discussing Ray Tracing on PS5 games shown in the PS5 reveal.

Here's Digital Foundry's ray tracing expert Alex Battaglia with a complete breakdown of the ray tracing effects and technologies we saw in the first reveal wave of PlayStation 5 software. Gran Turismo 7, Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart, Pragmata, Stray and more!



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PlayStation 5 Ray Tracing First Look: Gran Turismo 7, Ratchet & Clank, Pragamata + More! (DF)

Neat little video from Digital Foundry discussing Ray Tracing on PS5 games shown in the PS5 reveal. Here's Digital Foundry's ray tracing expert Alex Battaglia with a complete breakdown of the ray tracing effects and technologies we saw in the first reveal wave of PlayStation 5 software. Gran...
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Was this already shared? I get it. Eventually every sold game is also money in Sony's hand so I get why they wouldn't actively support and push for this. Even more so if the rumours about them setting their pricing a lot under their BOM cost.

PS5 reportedly won’t have its own Xbox Smart Delivery alternative
SONY WILL LEAVE UPGRADE PROGRAMS TO THIRD-PARTY PUBLISHERS, ACCORDING TO A SPOKESPERSON

PlayStation 5 will reportedly not have a unified free cross-generation upgrade program like Xbox’s Smart Delivery.

Instead, Sony will leave such upgrade programs to the discretion of third-party publishers, an SIE spokesperson reportedly told Japanese publication GameSpark (translated by VGC).

According to the publication, an SIE spokesperson said it “plans to be as flexible as possible in supporting any publishers choosing to provide upgrade plans.”
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IntentionalPun

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X-Fighter said:
Was this already shared? I get it. Eventually every sold game is also money in Sony's hand so I get why they wouldn't actively support and push for this. Even more so if the rumours about them setting their pricing a lot under their BOM cost.
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Matt from Resetera is full of shit if this is true.
 
Vognerful

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Sinthor said:
Sorry, but your profile says you've been here since May 21, 2020. So you know what was going on in March???? Bottom line, my point is that over the years, you see things sway. The talk was all Xbox after the games reveal...as it should have been. Then here especially in May forward, everyone was anticipating the Sony event. I don't think people should feel persecuted as the conversations ebb and flow. If that kind of thing is that damaging to an individual, I would recommend that they stay away from internet forums and comments altogether. The internet is often a rough place.
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I will tell I secret, you don't need to have an account to view neoGAF. On a more serious note, trying to discredit me because I finally decided to make an account is not appreciated at all.

I co e here because I want to read discussions about next generation consoles. Reddit is slow these days so I have to come here. But really no wonder people make fun of "gamers" because some of people hear are a mirror of race supremacist. Remove Sony or Xbox from discussion and they sound similar.
 
IntentionalPun

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azertydu91 said:
Ohh yeah probably just cross buy like ps3/4/vita it wasn't mandatory for publishers just like smart delivery I believe.
I do think there will be cross buy for some titles and that it will largely be like Xbox except more sony's 1st parties will only be on ps5.
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Cross buy is digital only though.
 
Handy Fake

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azertydu91 said:
Ohh yeah probably just cross buy like ps3/4/vita it wasn't mandatory for publishers just like smart delivery I believe.
I do think there will be cross buy for some titles and that it will largely be like Xbox except more sony's 1st parties will only be on ps5.
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Didn't EA opt out of that? Or have I missed an update?
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www.videogameschronicle.com

EA’s Smart Delivery alternative currently won’t upgrade physical PS4 games for the digital-only PS5 | VGC

Publisher “looking at solutions to support players who want to convert their physical copy to a digital entitlement”…
www.videogameschronicle.com www.videogameschronicle.com

They're being tricky dickies.
 
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Handy Fake

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azertydu91 said:
Yep they did with madden (or another sports game I don't remember) but will offer cross buy for a limited time though.

TBH I don't get the difference between crossbuy and smart delivery other than the name.
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Seems to be in the details, probably something of giving more or less power to publishers to choose whether to do it.
I'm sure we'll see.
 
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jimbojim

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Apollo Helios said:
Guys remember when people were saying MS had compression advantage bc of BCb pack usage, well would you look at these:



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ToadMan said:
Really. So the XVA is all out there and understood now?

Perhaps you could show us the BCPack performance numbers, or details on directstorage, or how 100gb of data is instantly transported from SSD to a 64kb cache on the gpu lol.

The Xbox hardware is basically known - it’s a traditional system. But MS are trying to say that the system deficiencies are made up in software without giving any details.
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Gamernyc78 said:
Bro lol we all knew this was coming tht was all just mistermedia troll fodder. Ppl learned with dx12 and Sony's solution and apis tht thts not how life goes. Sony will always have a response either as good or better.
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Bo_Hazem said:
Man! They reach up to 92.27% compression in one result! Between ~70-92% compression! Can somebody remind us of the BCPack compression?
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Neo Blaster said:
So, another Xbox fans' narrative goes down the drain now that Sony have their own 'BCPack'?
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LOL. Anyway, i've said few times, there is no need for CPU cores in PS5 for decompression stuff..

So much about this thread then. Poor Lady ( and others )

www.neogaf.com

Xbox Velocity Architecture - 100 GB is instantly accessible by the developer through a custom hardware decompression block

Welp
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But.....fairytale of rntongo about SFS and BCPack continues here
 
Setsuna Mudou

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X-Fighter said:
Was this already shared? I get it. Eventually every sold game is also money in Sony's hand so I get why they wouldn't actively support and push for this. Even more so if the rumours about them setting their pricing a lot under their BOM cost.
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Xbox also is leaving it to 3rd parties, case in point the EA Madden debacle with asterisks to their free upgrade dates between xb1 and xsx
 
jimbojim

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X-Fighter said:
Was this already shared? I get it. Eventually every sold game is also money in Sony's hand so I get why they wouldn't actively support and push for this. Even more so if the rumours about them setting their pricing a lot under their BOM cost.
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IntentionalPun said:
That Sony has a Smart Delivery like solution.

www.resetera.com

Xbox Series X: What You Can Expect From the Next Generation of Gaming (12TF, RDNA2 & Zen 2, Hardware Raytracing, Variable Rate Shading) OFFICIAL SPECS

PS5 has enhanced BC and its own version of Smart Delivery.
www.resetera.com www.resetera.com
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azertydu91 said:
Ohh yeah probably just cross buy like ps3/4/vita it wasn't mandatory for publishers just like smart delivery I believe.
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Smart Delivery isn't mandatory.

Like i've said on previous page, maybe Sony has it ( like cross-buy for PS3/PS4/PSV, but it really depends on publisher. Neither MS and Sony can't force publisher to spread same game across multiple platforms for one price. If publisher want to sell same game few times, they will do it. Or publisher will support more version for one price. but like EA is doing on their own for Madden.
MS had this crap a.k.a Play Anywhere and it failed
 
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IntentionalPun

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jimbojim said:
Maybe Sony has it ( like cross-buy for PS3/PS4/PSV, but it really depends on publisher. Neither MS and Sony can't force publisher to spread same game across multiple platforms for one price. If publisher want to sell same game few times, they will do it. Or publisher will support more version for one price. but like EA is doing on their own for Madden.
MS had this crap a.k.a Play Anywhere and it failed
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Nobody is forcing anyone to support these features, including MS.

I'm still a bit confused what the difference is.. but it sounds like Sony supports the idea of letting pubs give away licenses like that but doesn't have some elegant approach behind the scenes to support it software wise.
 
Setsuna Mudou

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Vognerful said:
I will tell I secret, you don't need to have an account to view neoGAF. On a more serious note, trying to discredit me because I finally decided to make an account is not appreciated at all.

I co e here because I want to read discussions about next generation consoles. Reddit is slow these days so I have to come here. But really no wonder people make fun of "gamers" because some of people hear are a mirror of race supremacist. Remove Sony or Xbox from discussion and they sound similar.
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B Bold : wtf... too much hyperbole isn't helping your case :O
 
Audiophile

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Whether it's Smart Delivery or Sony's equivalent, I expect it's going to be the same across consoles now we have BC.

The game will function on next-gen as a result of BC, if it's first/second party, additional enhancements will probably be free, if it's third party, the barrier of entry for additional enhancements is up to the developer/publisher.
 
Bo_Hazem

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Metroiddarks said:
This is the problem when you boast an advantage of software ... this can disappear from one day to another

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This is pretty big thing for indies, Sony has been going hard for indies:

We can say that because Shuhei Yoshida, the now-former president of SIE Worldwide Studios, has taken up a new role ahead of the PlayStation 5 which will see him "look after and nurture external, smaller independent studios". In a statement given to GamesIndustry.biz, PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan said: "Everybody knows just how passionate Shu is about independent games -- they are lifeblood of the industry, making our content portfolio so special for our gamers."

www.pushsquare.com

Sony's Shu Yoshida Will 'Look After and Nurture' Indie Studios in New Role for PS5

Made to celebrate independent devs
www.pushsquare.com www.pushsquare.com

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More love for Devs = More love from the Devs to players = everyone will be happy with the outcome.

You can't favor players over devs (gamepass day one releases of major AAA like outer worlds) nor favor devs over players (freaking lucrative microtransactions). We need a balance.
 
IkarugaDE

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X-Fighter said:
Was this already shared? I get it. Eventually every sold game is also money in Sony's hand so I get why they wouldn't actively support and push for this. Even more so if the rumours about them setting their pricing a lot under their BOM cost.
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Is there anyone outside (no matter if you buy an XSX or PS5) besides me who also don't really care about smth like smart delivery?
 
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IntentionalPun said:
Nobody is forcing anyone to support these features, including MS.

I'm still a bit confused what the difference is.. but it sounds like Sony supports the idea of letting pubs give away licenses like that but doesn't have some elegant approach behind the scenes to support it software wise.
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What do you mean by "elegant approach"? It's a licensing policy, has nothing to do with software.
 
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IkarugaDE said:
Is there anyone outside (no matter if you buy an XSX or PS5) besides me who also don't really care about smth like smart delivery?
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People that buy consoles day 1 shouldn't really care. The only reason why I care is because Cyberpunk comes out in September. Will be great to have that free upgrade with improved gfx and performance. But for Halo Infinite for example, that doesn't matter to me since, I'll have the XSX with Halo on day one.

jimbojim said:
Like i've said on previous page, maybe Sony has it ( like cross-buy for PS3/PS4/PSV, but it really depends on publisher. Neither MS and Sony can't force publisher to spread same game across multiple platforms for one price. If publisher want to sell same game few times, they will do it. Or publisher will support more version for one price. but like EA is doing on their own for Madden.
MS had this crap a.k.a Play Anywhere and it failed
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Yeah that Matt guy is an "insider" while this comes straight from a Sony spokesperson, right? Difference between MS and Sony is that Microsoft is pushing publishers to use this, because they are so vocal about it. The more publishers do this, the harder the pressure will be on others to do the same. It's actually a shame that Sony doesn't take the same stance on this as Microsoft.
 
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IntentionalPun

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FeiRR said:
What do you mean by "elegant approach"? It's a licensing policy, has nothing to do with software.
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Smart delivery. Your disk just working across generations because of the systems MS has in place. That's.. software.

Sony doesn't have that as admitted by the quoted Sony guy; you have to give someone a separate download code or otherwise implement some method of unlocking the next-gen version if you want to support it.

Which you can do on XBox as well; or you can use their smart delivery system and your game just works across generations with the same SKU and all that without having to write any extra code.
 
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Neo Blaster

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X-Fighter said:
Was this already shared? I get it. Eventually every sold game is also money in Sony's hand so I get why they wouldn't actively support and push for this. Even more so if the rumours about them setting their pricing a lot under their BOM cost.
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Clickbait title, Sony is doing the same as MS with Smart Delivery: letting third parties decide if they want to offer their crossgen titles a single purchase. They just didn't put a fancy name on it.
 
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thurnishaleygw

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X-Fighter said:
Was this already shared? I get it. Eventually every sold game is also money in Sony's hand so I get why they wouldn't actively support and push for this. Even more so if the rumours about them setting their pricing a lot under their BOM cost.
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I see it more as a useless thing for Sony, since they won't have cross-gen first party stuff. Xbox is mainly gonna use it for first party, and then, any other developer who wants to, same as Sony is gonna allow for any developer who wants to offer free upgrades from PS4 to PS5 games. So, sounds fancy, but is just that it only really makes sense for Xbox. They are going to have cross-gen first party stuff, Sony won't.
 
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BluRayHiDef said:
How did you create this image? Did you cut the PlayStation 5 from the reveal video and paste it into the photo? Or did you cut the PlayStation 5 from the 3D model that an artist created and that's available online?
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It's a bad render of the Ps5. Bulkier drive area, exaggerated "wings". Notice how the front USB port is considerably bigger than the xbox usb. Shrink the Ps5 down to match the ports and you'll see a much smaller Ps5. These images are just ridiculous FUD.
 
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