Just be honest Sony does not want to give up the remaster money for another Uncharted collection and the last of us 2 remaster ect. Sony is not pushing this for a reason and you know what it is. Just like when they screwed many of us who bought ps1 games on the ps3 and the ps4 is the only Sony device that does not play them to sell subscriptions to psnow.
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Mr Moose
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Good interview/article here about XsX game, The Medium
Big in 2020: The Medium is channelling the spirit of Silent Hill to pull psychological horror games into the next generation
Bloober Team's Wojciech Piejko and Jacek Zieba take us inside The Medium, its ambitious horror game for Xbox Series Xwww.gamesradar.com
That's the one with the Silent Hill kinda music? Love that music.
Huh... I wonder what they are doing that hasn't been done before in games
Entroyp
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M1chl
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If you played Blooper games (not Blair Witch), they already have pretty instant changes to the game world, so probably something more advance of that.That's the one with the Silent Hill kinda music? Love that music.
Huh... I wonder what they are doing that hasn't been done before in games
thurnishaleygw
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How does remastered games have to do anything with what smart delivery is? Besides, you realize you're talking about games that are going to have backwards compatibility? I get that you seem to be angry with Sony, but talking about two different things is just bitching about nothing I'm actually talking about.
It's perfectly okay to not be okay with what one of either companies does, but you're throwing an argument that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Bladed Thesis
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I disagree with his seemingly annoyance at Sony, but he really is talking about the same thing as you.
Let me address your points in order:
Remastered: he is saying that Sony doesn't want to give you a PS5 copy of a PS4 game when you purchase a PS4 game because they want to remaster it and make you pay for it again. Again, I disagree this is the current sentiment but it has been done previously. TLOU for example.
Backward compatibility: you don't want backwards compatibility where you are effectively playing a PS4 game on the PS5. You want the PS5 copy of the game on the PS5. There is a difference. For example. If Cyberpunk 2077 launches on PS4/XBO and then comes out with a PS5/XSX version there will obviously be some changes to the quality of the game. Telling people "hey just play the PS4/XBO version on your next gen system, its basically the same" is doing a disservice to the changes and upgrades (if any) in the PS5/XSX release of Cyberpunk 2077. So there is a difference here.
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I get that it doesn't necessarily makes sense for Sony's first party games, but it would be nice if Sony also pushed for this at 3rd parties the way Microsoft is doing this. This is just great for consumers, and would be nice if both companies are behind this.
When i buy the last of us 2 in july. In 3 years when they remaster it to help sell the last of us 3 they should upgrade my copy. Just like cyberpunk or Microsoft is doing there is no difference except Sony waited longer to do a ps5 version.
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thurnishaleygw
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To the remastered topic: I'm not saying that it hasn't been done, PS3 to PS4 remasters era was a pretty shitty thing because of the lack of backwards compatibility, but the situation right now it's completely different, since you have backwards compatibility and a boost mode that might perfectly render any first party game remaster pointless. Is that proof that they won't try to do remasters? No, but again, the scenario is just not the same.
Backwards compatibility: The thing is, Sony is equally allowing third party developers to offer free upgrades from current PS4 titles to PS5 with any and all improvements they see fit to have in their games. So, you will effectively have a PS5 version of that game too.
Smart delivery is a nice thing, don't get me wrong, it automatizes all that. But my point still stands that I think it makes most sense for Xbox, because of the cross-gen nature of their first party games, at least for the first couple of years.
Except microsoft isnt pushing 3rd party developers for it. They are leaving it upto them wether or not to support it. Which is exactly what sony is doing.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Bladed Thesis
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Backwards compatibility even with boost (which sounds impressive) doesn't replace a next-gen version of the game. That's just me personally.
ToadMan
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That's not "FUD" - that's what you'll get.
You can take a game from xb1x that runs at sub 4k and 60fps and bump it up to 4k and 120fps. In exchange you get xb1x graphics - last gen.
If you want next gen graphics, something else has to give. Frames or Res. Minecraft demo is good example. Add RT and even Minecraft chugs along at sub 4k and reduced frames...
thurnishaleygw
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The thing is that you're leaving out the fact that PS5 is going to have backwards compatibility with a boost mode that is going to effectively improve the game experience over the PS4, therefore making a possible remaster actually pointless. If they do it, same with PS3 to PS4, is going to be a shitty thing to do, specially since now we have that backwards compatibility, but it's just that the scenario is different, and therefore, we cannot expect the same to happen.
Having that compatibility with that boost mode is a paradigm shift on the whole remaster thing. So, I'm not expecting the same to happen.
thurnishaleygw
Member
We'll agree to disagree on that, then. Personally, is more than likely going to be enough for me. Besides, for next-gen I want stuff that's made from the ground up for next-gen. That's why I'm actually more excited about Ratchet & Clank than Spiderman Miles Morales to put an example. But of course, that's my two cents on that.
ToadMan
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Says a "Neo" member.... let me guess. you were lurking, then just had to post and.... this is the kind of stuff you're managing out of the gates?
Perhaps Alts are better left on keyboards hmmm?
ToadMan
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To be fair I was only registered here recently as well, but lurking around probably since the lead up to the ps4 reveal last gen. That's most likely the situation for many other users
Don't kid yourself.... go take a look at the ban. list. It's like a revolving door of alts at the moment.
Handy Fake
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The Sparkling and Fantabulous Knights of the Discord.
thurnishaleygw
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They are allowing third party developers to offer free upgrades from PS4 to PS5, so, as with Smart Delivery, ultimately it comes down to the developer. Sure, Smart Delivery automatizes things, which is handy, but it's really not that much of a big deal on third party stuff. Ultimately, on PS5 is going to come down to downloading a patch with the upgrade those third party developers have curated for their games. It's no big deal, in my opinion.
Actually, the coolest thing for me about Smart Delivery is the ability to have a playthrough of the same game going on on a Series X and Xbox One at the same time. But personally, I don't intend to touch current gen consoles after I make the jump to next gen, so, I won't really miss having that on PS5.
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Vognerful
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You were clearly implying something else in your post when you said xsx= current generation games with 120fps. That is what Bladed Thesis referred to.
Watch out because people were banned earlier for insisting that PS5 games are considered current generation games; we don't want you to end up in similar trouble.
Metroiddarks
Member
With Anthem and Mass Effect Andromeda I cannot trust in the same way in Bioware not even in graphics
In my opinion Sony only left the door open but is not inviting to the companies which I see okay, I don't understand how you guys think is a good
a idea to force in some way a publisher to make that, probably CD Projekt Red said is unfair to pay 2 times for the same game but also first none
is forcing you paid something two times second CD Projekt Red is now one biggest companies in gaming in the world so speak since that
position is not necessary hard.
Also I don't think Sony cares much that strategy of Xbox I mean Xbox this year is not selling games in the same rates as PS4 or Switch so only in this
year when the strategy will have all its force. This is not like the BC strategy of Xbox which I saw much better for sales in its new console.
Bladed Thesis
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I think that's an assumption on your part as to which way the porting will happen but we don't know at this point.
We'll have to see.
ToadMan
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I guess the difference is who controls it.
If a company signs up for MS Smart Delivery (tm) then they're letting MS administer the process and decide how the license gets transferred.
If EA do it themselves and they keep control of the process.
For example I think EA put a time limit on the license transfer period - I didn't check the detail but I'm guessing MS don't put a time limit.
I think as well wasn't there something about an xb1 title smart delivered to xsex continuing to allow the xb1 version to be used? Sounded like a 2 for 1 deal effectively.
I can understand EA wouldn't be down with that.
Vognerful
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paranoid much? did all the trolling make a damage on you that you suspect anyone to have an alternative account? I guess even you mirror reflection cannot escape your bitchy attitude.
As I said to others here, I do not anyone of accusing me falsely especially those who have bad intentions. If you do not have a proof or cannot support your claim, you can desperately report me to the mods. I do not know if they can verify anything but let's see.
But I cannot shy my disappointment in the current case because I indeed I was lurking little before the PS5 GDC talk. You have been involved in many of the activities that have put others in ban. I guess you are probably an old contributor and had your good posts here. But dear God your are just unbearable as the man in your profile.
ToadMan
Member
It's simple maths. There's no secret sauce anymore than the 15% power deficit to PS5 will offer any practical difference in performance on (multiplat) games.
If you wish to set yourself up for disappointment at the xbox 1st party reveal (if the 3rd party one wasn't enough) that's up to you.
If you believe you know why I'm wrong - present your argument, don't throw "FUD" around without your own evidence.
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ToadMan
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I already saw your posts around the forum...
Go take a look at the ban list. It'll give you a hint where you're headed...
He's not even guessing he's trying to push the narrative that the ps5 is much weaker than XSX and the prices cannot be comparable.
Vognerful
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For your first statement, I assume this is a compliment.
for the second, I assume I will become a mod.
Vognerful
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I thought he meant that there is no way Sony would be stupid enough to price it that high. I really believe that they would not go beyond 500 USD, maybe both of them.
JareBear: Remastered
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BatSu
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With Anthem and Mass Effect Andromeda I cannot trust in the same way in Bioware not even in graphics
IntentionalPun
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Not sure where you are getting that impression; they'll follow the same rules as any other purchase... why would it be any different? It's one license with Smart Delivery, if anything it avoids having 2 SKUS/2 licenses like the Sony approach.
Bladed Thesis
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So the XSX will launch with current gen graphics at 4k/120fps for first party games is what you're saying?
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Vognerful
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That Sony has a Smart Delivery like solution.
Xbox Series X: What You Can Expect From the Next Generation of Gaming (12TF, RDNA2 & Zen 2, Hardware Raytracing, Variable Rate Shading) OFFICIAL SPECS
PS5 has enhanced BC and its own version of Smart Delivery.www.resetera.com
Isn't there a risk that the situation will be like PS4/PS4 Pro? A mish mash of solutions and not really any good support from Sony meaning that a lot of games will not run better on PS4 Pro.
Sinthor
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I'll take your word for it. Just understand that a lot of people DO spring up in accounts around console reveals with wild claims. Trying to equate gaming with racists doesn't really support your argument of supposedly being a rational observer, just so you know. In fact, stow that shit. We have no room for race baiting bullshit here. Copy?
ToadMan
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Dial back the "next gen semantics" and console warring, the show is yet to come.
MS isn't giving you next gen versions now - they're giving you cross gen versions in place of next gen versions.
MS don't have any 1st party xsex exclusives so there are no next gen games - there are just cross gen games from MS.
Halo for example has been in development for 5 years now - on xsex that will be an xb1 game. Upgraded visuals, sure, but an xb1 upgrade nonetheless - AI, physics and related non-graphics stuff built for a Jaguar CPU.
This would be the difference between remaster or remake and simple BC or cross gen games.
Sony will offer cross gen versions of TLOU2 and GOT as a minimum and that will extend to 3rd party games like CP2077 too, because Sony have said that games released from July have to be PS5 compatible.
BC is about games from that last several years and that's the same for both platforms. Cross gen games are a different matter.
Sinthor
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I don't buy Sony pushing above $500 either. UNLESS they are positioning the digital only edition there and the disc based version higher? I mean, it's possible...but I don't see them doing that either. I think you're right in that $500 is probably the ceiling.
Vognerful
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I put "Gamer" between parenthesis to mean those hardcore console fanboys who sparks console wars everywhere. It was probably not he best of comparison and reflect more on my frustration than the state of the forum. If it was too much then I apologize.
FranXico
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That Sony has a Smart Delivery like solution.
Xbox Series X: What You Can Expect From the Next Generation of Gaming (12TF, RDNA2 & Zen 2, Hardware Raytracing, Variable Rate Shading) OFFICIAL SPECS
PS5 has enhanced BC and its own version of Smart Delivery.
It's called cross-buy and has existed for years. What is bullshit exactly?
Bladed Thesis
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Yikes.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Smart Delivery is more than Cross buy; which is why there is a quote from a Sony executive saying they don't have a system like it.
Y'all can argue with Sony over why they'd say that.
Sony does allow devs to give out an extra license with one purchase which is the most important part either way. Wasn't talking about that, was talking about the actual system in place which Sony doesn't have.
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Sinthor
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Oh fair enough. I went at it kind of hard as well when I saw the post as well. All good. Bottom line, welcome to the forum and hopefully you'll find some benefit or at least entertainment from all the personalities we have here.
Bo_Hazem
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That demo is actually 1080p and struggles below 30-20fps most of the time with the slightest movement.
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ToadMan
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Are you now stalking me? Thanks - I love the idea of a guardian angel following me around.
There's no need to put words in my mouth - I wrote what I intended to write. If you think my post contravened the rules of the forum, there's the report button...
Bo_Hazem
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60fps is critical for first person view and car games, but not as critical for 3rd person view. But I would love the same they did with many PS4 Pro games: Framrates/Resolution modes.
ToadMan
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I read somewhere that MS were suggesting that if people bought a game on xb1, then got an xsex and took advantage of smart delivery, they'd be able to simulataneously use the xsex and xb1 versions... 2 for 1 so to speak. I can't remember where I read that - might have been a twitter post or it might have been the Smart Delivery video.
I'm gonna bet EA won't allow that and would probably take steps through the EA access account to make sure only one game instance runs per purchase.
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Bo_Hazem
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EA Embraces Xbox Smart Delivery, But Adds a Time Limit
If you buy Madden NFL 21 for Xbox One before January, the Smart Delivery upgrade will only work until March 31 on Xbox Series X.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
That makes absolutely zero sense considering what we know about how smart delivery works.
Neo Blaster
Member
Sony have made compatibility with PS5 mandatory to every game released(forward compatibility) starting July 13th, so in the worst case scenario a third party won't offer free upgrades, you can at least play the exact same PS4 game on PS5 if you don't want to pay.
Anyway, I'm struggling to think a third party publisher would offer a free upgrade on one platform and charge for it on another, unless the platform holder is paying for it. Are we going to see free upgrades exclusivity coming next gen?
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