LordKasual
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Inside Xbox Series X: How Microsoft Redefined Console Form Factor:
-care nothing about how it looks
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-care nothing about how it looks
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[Digital Foundry] Inside Xbox Series X: How Microsoft Redefined Console Form Factor
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Coolwhhip
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Tech guy is excited about good new tech. What a shill!
Bumblebeetuna
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Is it the PS5 reveal that turned GAF against DF or did it happen before that?
JareBear: Remastered
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I wake up and it’s turned into a basic console war in here. Bummer
sonomamashine
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Sometimes i wonder, are they pleasing Sony fans to get some reaction scores
Lol it's crazy.
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KingT731
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If I remember correctly it was around 2013 with the coverage of the XB1 & PS4
JareBear: Remastered
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To the people laugh it off as “just a box,” I’m not even arguing with you, I don’t even think you’re necessarily wrong, but I ask you: are you really not impressed whatsoever with what has been accomplished INSIDE the box?
it’s okay to love Sony consoles and still appreciate what MS has accomplished, engineering wise, with the XsX
it’s okay to love Sony consoles and still appreciate what MS has accomplished, engineering wise, with the XsX
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Insane Metal
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lol this thread
lol this thread
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
It's definitely a nice piece of hardware even if I find it ugly. That's assuming it is at a reasonable price of course.
Flintty
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This video was all about the engineering for me. I don’t care how it looks (though I think the XSX looks pretty damn good), but I love watching how this thing has been put together and the design is dictated by very specific specifications set by our man Phil. It’s good stuff!
LordKasual
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That was a shitty hottake from me, but yes i can't really shit on the engineering aspect of it.
Technically speaking, it's kind of funny how it took so long for a console to just abandon form factor for the sake of not having its hardware melt or sound like a jet engine during gameplay. And for what the XSX is, it would have been asinine for them to try.
Makes me wonder what kind of solution Sony has for its cooling, which is going to have to be extravagant for its hardware. I don't think Sony's chipset would benefit from this though, because i'm almost positive the PS5 is gonna be liquid cooled.
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Son_of_Zardoz
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I actually want oversized pads like that fake one
I want to send Phil a handwritten letter and beg him to sell me a functional version of that thing--it would be a dream come true for my oversized banana hands that, due to various injuries and gripping such an undersized (for me) controller, severely limit my gaming.
darkestdame
Banned
It's unique and I have space for it, I might end up buying it for the controller & Game Pass alone after skipping the One.
SleepDoctor
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You must've been sleeping for 2 weeks then. Cuz this shit has been going since the Cerny presentation. Quite pathetic tbh.
OT: As for the design of the xsx, im impartial. All that matters to me is that its powerful and whisper quiet.
M1chl
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What exyactly is similar? That cases uses water cooling. Besides there has been more of this tower designed cases.3 yrs ago this week, Cosair, I guess didnt invent what MS and the rest have praised them as their own idea. When will you learn MS does nothing but copy everyone else ideas and sell them to their sheep as their own.
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Blond
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You guys are pathetic. PlayStation Fanboys loved digital foundry till the 1X came around the praise started shifting towards Microsoft for hardware that allowed games to look and perform better than the 4/Pro.
9.4tf
The SSD won't change anything
The series X is far ahead in many respects
You better hope the "pro" model news comes soon and the 14tf rumor is true cause if there's a midgen refresh Microsoft will easily beat it with theirs.
I'm still buying the 5 day 1 or close to it as possible
JareBear: Remastered
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FeldMonster
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I think the best choice for you today is to buy a Hyperkin Duke. Unfortunately, it is wired (I am still waiting for someone to make a wireless, battery powered USB adaptor to remedy such a situation), but otherwise, it is pretty cool, and works fine for most games.
Bernkastel
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Boy, have you seen those clocks?
DoctaThompson
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Stiflers Mom
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Dude is still in XBox marketing mode, it seems...
Still interesting what he says..
In a way he is right.
SleepDoctor
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Makes a good point tho about the size. I definitely didn't expect a design bigger than the XSX, let alone as big as it is.
SometimeLaterToday
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I'm sure a lot of people would take transparency over mystery every day of the year, if given the chance.
HushiMushi
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This aged like a fine whine. Bravo, DF!
LostDonkey
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Deleted member 775630
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That's because they didn't expect the XSX to have a 12TF GPU, so they upped the clocks way more than they first thought of doing.
TLZ
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Possibly with higher gpu and SSD speed, more heat is generated, hence the better cooling and ventilation needed. I guess they needed to go this route to stick to their high speed philosophy.
I'm sure they could've gone with a simple bland box, but they wanted to go with style instead. These things add up.
Bernkastel
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It is more about engineering though. Have you seen the size of Surface Studio ? There hardware team have done a lot of R&D on cooling. So, due to its form factor and design, Microsoft has created a cheaper cooling solution with a smaller form factor.
Rikkori
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I just saw transparency and thought... hey, I'd like a see-through version for the consoles! That would be so cool.
martino
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the form is not surprising if you have interest in pc cooling
to me they mostly used common knowledge from there.
the risk they took is going for a that pc box format because aesthetically it will not please everybody.
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TLZ
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You guys just never get tired of believing and spreading your own made up crap do you?
TLZ
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What's its specs? How many TFs? At what speed does it run?
Bernkastel
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Its not just the form though. Its also the way cooling is managed making it more cost effective and allowing a smaller form factor.
LazyParrot
Member
Didn't we live in that world all the way back in 2006 when PS3 launched? Or when X1X launched in 2017? Hell, except for the size part it was true when the original Xbox launched nearly 20 years ago.
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Bernkastel
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martino
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TLZ
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I already gave my opinion above. And things don't work the way you think they do. They don't just crank up speeds and scramble to create this design at the last moment. These things take a long time along with a lot of testing. They aren't schoolboys scrambling at the last minute to patch up their homework
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geordiemp
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Welcome back
Just as well Timdog and Panello dont do CFD thermal and air flow computational modelling and are good hardware design engineers then, thats a relief.
I have no interest in dumb it looks big comments , other than some people like to make themelves look stupid on twitter talking about stuff they probably cant even spell.
Yes going to 2.23 Ghz takes more careful and probably novel design when we see teardown, maybe even dual sided APU cooling, it has a benefit though = 20 % more GPU clock.
If anyone wants to point to a better solution for cooling RDNA2 at 2.23 Ghz, please feel free.
Yes 1.85 GHz would not have not needed the sony design, whatever it is, we have only seen the outside.
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KingT731
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Now how about the actual real world performance.
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Deleted member 775630
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I wasn't thinking that. The first rumours of the next Xbox having a 12TF GPU came around the end of 2018 by windows central. Sony probably knew this too or even sooner, so that's when they started thinking about how to handle such a situation. Designing a whole new chip that would match it the performance would be too late and expensive. So I think they started working on the idea of upping clocks, and tried to make it work. They had 2 years time so that's more than enough.I already gave my opinion above. And things don't work the way you think they do. They don't just crank up speeds and scramble to create this design at the last moment. These things take a long time along with a lot of testing. They aren't schoolboys scrambling at the last minute to patch up their homework
MastaKiiLA
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You can tell it hits the toilet once a PS4 is first mentioned in an XSX thread, and vice-versa. This is about the XSX. I see no reason the other console even needs to be mentioned.
geordiemp
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Sony also released a new patent for chip cooling quite a while ago, so it was a plan and not a woops narrative which is certainly FUD.
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Deleted member 775630
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I'm not saying its a woops... They had 2 years to work on it, so it's not like they did this in the past few months. It's just basic action/reaction between companies, but I don't think it's so weird that Sony upped the clocks after hearing what Microsoft wanted to do.
KingT731
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I think it also should be mentioned that the PS5 was originally scheduled for a 2019 release.