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[Danjin44]

Nd deceived its followers and fans

Deceived!? Did Kojima "deceived" people for having Raiden as main character instead of Snake in Metal Gear Solid 2? ND simply made the game that they want to make...thats all. Again, people are free not to like it but it doesn't mean developers are not allowed to do it.

 

[DogofWar]

While the OP is banned and it's a bit like beating a dead horse by replying to this thread I still have to ask people,

since when is there A gaming community? Video games are enjoyed by millions of people all over the world. Among people enjoying video games we have people of all societal classes, nationalities, music subcultures, political ideologies/parties etc etc.

How could "we" possible be considered A community?
NeoGaf can be considered a community, different subreddits are different communities but gamers as a whole? No way.

 

[Saruhashi]

While I agree that the game is probably not a 0 out of 10 (I'm not interested in playing it to be honest so I dunno) I think there is too much of an overreaction to the negative feedback.

Have none of these TLOU2 defenders ever had an experience where you recommend a beloved movie or show or book or album and the other person just absolutely hates it?

It just feels like this is the first time some are experiencing this with a videogame and they are struggling to deal with it.

I get it. You love the game and you admire the craft and it's been well received critically.
However, a lot of people think it's pure shit. Sorry. You're just going to have to deal with that.

The idea that the entire community has a problem because some people don't like a certain game is just fucking stupid.
The game is selling incredibly well and plenty of people are enjoying it. So just leave it at that, maybe?

The only difference between TLOU2 and Death Stranding or Breath of the Wild and so on is that somehow people have been tricked into believing that the haters and motivated by nothing more than bigotry. So they are REALLY going hard to defend this one.

If you think the game is amazing and the people criticizing it are simpletons then just say that.
Explain what they are missing and why. Criticize the critics.
At least articulate your arguments properly though.

Definitely no need to throw the entire community under the bus because people won't play ball and worship your favorite game.

 

[Saruhashi]

While the OP is banned and it's a bit like beating a dead horse by replying to this thread I still have to ask people,

since when is there A gaming community? Video games are enjoyed by millions of people all over the world. Among people enjoying video games we have people of all societal classes, nationalities, music subcultures, political ideologies/parties etc etc.

How could "we" possible be considered A community?
NeoGaf can be considered a community, different subreddits are different communities but gamers as a whole? No way.

There's a "gaming community" when people want to stir up some controversy and set themselves up as separate or superior to others.

For example, say a streamer gets 4 or 5 nasty tweets.
Now you might say well there's 100 million Playstation 4 units sold and out there so a handful of tweets proves nothing.
However someone who is heavily invested in creating and promoting controversy will see the opportunity in taking the "gamers are trash" angle.

Show off a bunch of different indie titles and people will gush. "Gaming is so diverse and look how many different games there are and isn't it wonderful how there's like a game for everyone..."

Release a popular game that is quite difficult to beat and has no difficulty options. "OMG Gamers are just horrible gatekeeping pieces of shit who don't care about inclusion and want to cry when a game isn't just about them".

On one hand they want to praise the medium for the diverse range of tastes it caters to.
On the other hand they want to freak out because some people don't like the newest critical darling.

It's like praising a pizza place for having all different types of pizza on the menu and waxing lyrical about how this attracts all different kinds of customers wanting to try new kinds of pizza. Then they bring out this super, super, spicy pizza and a ton of folk don't like it so you flip out and claim the entire customer base are a bunch of arseholes for not fully liking this one specific pizza that was made.

More and more the hobby is becoming politicized.
It eventually becomes an all or nothing scenario.
Either gaming is amazing and diverse and open to all OR some people hated this one game so let's burn it all down.

 

[Spukc]

OP posted this thread on wrong site
Fucking self hate shit PA TH E TIC C C

still playing tlou i think i am 70 80% in
and the game has the same issue as all of their past games. The gameplay is so generic and boring man. I play it for the story and that is about it. Like red dead redemption 2

 

[Bogey]

You're absolutely right of course that the game doesn't deserve a 0, not even close.

What I strongly disagree with is

Diversity is always good, and if we truly respect gaming, we should stop bringing our personal opinions into every games that is releasing today.

That's outright wrong. Diversity can be good. If it fits the setting and is well written.

First, it needs to fit the setting. If it players in a futuristic setting, or any current-day metropolitan area, absolutely. It'd be negatively weird not to see diverse people in such a setting.
This goes both ways though - I really don't want to see a racially diverse cast in any game or movie playing in most historic settings - this would just be enormously out of place in the vast majority of cases.

Second, representation should be somewhat believable. Watching some of the more recent Netflix productions, you would think that 90% of the world's population is gay/lesbian. I think it's great some previously unrepresented groups are now included in media, but I feel like the amount of representation currently has little to do with their actual representation in society.

Third, writing should feel natural, not forced. A particularly negative example in my mind was Star Wars. Given its setting, this is absolutely MADE for representation, which is great. But then, the main cast is basically exactly 1 white girl, 1 lesbian asian girl, 1 indian guy, 1 black guy. At this point, I'm immediately taken out of the movie and my mind goes "yeah ok, they filled the quotas here", this doesn't feel natural at all.

When representation is screwed up, it breaks the 4th wall, which is not a great thing.
Ideally, viewers/gamers should be immersed in the media, not taken ouf of it thinking "right, this feels somewhat out of place - looks like the producers have ticket off some diversity checklist here".

 

[GymWolf]

Ok kids, im out.

 

[ROMhack]

Would anybody like to join me in the middle of this game's reception? I've pitched a tent somewhere between overly gushing about it and being extremely negative towards it. There's plenty of land, a nice scenic view, the birds are chirping and I've got a PS4 hooked up to the TV I brought along. I feel kinda lonely and wouldn't mind the company...

 

[DogofWar]

There's a "gaming community" when people want to stir up some controversy and set themselves up as separate or superior to others.

For example, say a streamer gets 4 or 5 nasty tweets.
Now you might say well there's 100 million Playstation 4 units sold and out there so a handful of tweets proves nothing.
However someone who is heavily invested in creating and promoting controversy will see the opportunity in taking the "gamers are trash" angle.

Show off a bunch of different indie titles and people will gush. "Gaming is so diverse and look how many different games there are and isn't it wonderful how there's like a game for everyone..."

Release a popular game that is quite difficult to beat and has no difficulty options. "OMG Gamers are just horrible gatekeeping pieces of shit who don't care about inclusion and want to cry when a game isn't just about them".

On one hand they want to praise the medium for the diverse range of tastes it caters to.
On the other hand they want to freak out because some people don't like the newest critical darling.

It's like praising a pizza place for having all different types of pizza on the menu and waxing lyrical about how this attracts all different kinds of customers wanting to try new kinds of pizza. Then they bring out this super, super, spicy pizza and a ton of folk don't like it so you flip out and claim the entire customer base are a bunch of arseholes for not fully liking this one specific pizza that was made.

More and more the hobby is becoming politicized.
It eventually becomes an all or nothing scenario.
Either gaming is amazing and diverse and open to all OR some people hated this one game so let's burn it all down.

Yes this seems like a reasonable explanation. It sounds a lot better to say "the gaming community is trash!" than "some people did not like our game!".

Well I am not playing TLOU until it is discounted anyway but manouvering the internet without having it spoiled for me is like being both blind and drunk in a minefield haha! Definitely a game people like to discuss.

 

[SSfox]

Fun fact: People are different

 

[daninthemix]

You’re upset that some people don’t like a game you like, and this is evidence that the entire community is an abomination?

I'd argue that this ^ is the biggest problem with the videogame community. Insufferable fanboys who can't stand the slightest criticism or belitting of games / companies / platforms that mean so damn much to them.

 

[GiJoint]

Only thing I’ll agree with are gamers can throw a good tantrum.

 

[cormack12]

OP to gamers

 

[fermcr]

People trash games... people trash movies.... people trash music... people trash sports... basically, people trash everything and anything, that's why it's called a opinion.

According to your logic, the entire world is a abomination.

 

[Clear]

I'd argue that this ^ is the biggest problem with the videogame community. Insufferable fanboys who can't stand the slightest criticism or belitting of games / companies / platforms that mean so damn much to them.

There's criticism and there's just being a dick about something. There's an awful lot of the latter going on.

I've not finished the game yet, and I certainly wouldn't rate it a 10/10 at this point, more of an 8 or so. IMHO its a good game with a few issues. Maybe my opinion will change for the better or worse, but purely on the basis of the 20 or so hours I've put in so far anyone who thinks 0/10 is fair assessment isn't worth listening to. Its delusional.

 

[JCK75]

Can we stop pretending that gamers hate playing as women and that "Diversity" is the problem we have with TLOU2?
I mean yea the modern Tomb Raider games and Mirrors edge sit among my favorite games of all time but yea I hate women.

TLOU2 is a bad story, told badly.. mechanics feel old and clunky..
I'd give it around a 6.5, it's not the worst game ever, it may well be worth having just for the graphics and some of the good moments alone.
but I take far more issue with it getting a 10/10 than getting a 0/10
the only people being disrespected in this situation are the fans of the original who get called Alt Right Incels for not liking the game.

 

[Steve.1981]

There's criticism and there's just being a dick about something. There's an awful lot of the latter going on.

daninthemix is spot on. Aggresively defensive fanboys are the worst.

 

[UnNamed]

Before the ban, OP had 34 likes to his post. 34 people agreed with him in various ways, maybe not completely, ok. I also agree with him for some reasons but not others.
Some replies to his post are embarrassing, and they basically confirm what OP says in the first place: gaming community can be embarrassing.
We already left a community where is allowed only one way to think, no matter how stupid your post can appear.

 

[Terenty]

Pretty sure OP went senile

 

[pawel86ck]

People share different opinions and not everyone will like the story in this game, but I agree with OP, because you have to be extremely dishonest and hateful to rate such detailed game 0/10, and not to mention many people hate TLOU2 without even playing it. My own thread has proven people who really played the game but were disappointed for real could still list many positives. 6-8/10 are real scores from disappointed people who played the game, not 0/10.

The good part however is, these haters will not change the reality, and the reality is more and more people appreciate TLOU2. Haters will look funny in the long run .

 

[deriks]

People trash other things since ever

Also, another thread of crying over Last of Us 2, fuck...

 

[cormack12]

Before the ban, OP had 34 likes to his post. 34 people agreed with him in various ways, maybe not completely, ok. I also agree with him for some reasons but not others.
Some replies to his post are embarrassing, and they basically confirm what OP says in the first place: gaming community can be embarrassing.
We already left a community where is allowed only one way to think, no matter how stupid your post can appear.

I don't know this guy but dude was a troll, his post history is there for you to see lol, is ita perm? Stuff like this, the thread was a bait thread so OP could have 'his reaction' like a big pussy flap, and sandwich the aims between a few legitimate points. I'd really avoid using reactions as a gauge as well for conflicting statements. Like you could post this

That bitch is crazy for ratting out Ash
Still, got be a sleaze to cheat

and you might like the second statement but not the first. So hit a react. Then get into a fight about the first thing you wanted all along. These are low grade trolls mate and we all need to start stamping them out as a team, not giving them air to breathe or expecting ban hammers.

The gaming community is an abomination.

You can like whatever you want. I was just advising the community to be respectful about the work of any devs. Not only ND but others studios out there. I asked the threads to be close because there was not point of arguing about wether some people like Tlou or not my point was clear...let's be...

www.neogaf.com

The gaming community is an abomination.

You can like whatever you want. I was just advising the community to be respectful about the work of any devs. Not only ND but others studios out there. I asked the threads to be close because there was not point of arguing about wether some people like Tlou or not my point was clear...let's be...

www.neogaf.com

The gaming community is an abomination.

No game in the world can get a "0". Someone hasn't played Airbo.

www.neogaf.com

The gaming community is an abomination.

Kids that are gaming now have no respect for gaming as an hobby in general. The last of Us 2 is a prime example. Naughty Dog have given us so many great games in the past, and still do. You can tell that they put their heart into each games they released. But, for whatever reason, kids these...

www.neogaf.com

The gaming community is an abomination.

Kids that are gaming now have no respect for gaming as an hobby in general. The last of Us 2 is a prime example. Naughty Dog have given us so many great games in the past, and still do. You can tell that they put their heart into each games they released. But, for whatever reason, kids these...

www.neogaf.com

The gaming community is an abomination.

Kids that are gaming now have no respect for gaming as an hobby in general. The last of Us 2 is a prime example. Naughty Dog have given us so many great games in the past, and still do. You can tell that they put their heart into each games they released. But, for whatever reason, kids these...

www.neogaf.com

 

[GreyHorace]

Seeing as the OP was banned, he probably won't be seeing this post.

But fuck it, I need to get this off my chest

Kids that are gaming now have no respect for gaming as an hobby in general.

The last of Us 2 is a prime example. Naughty Dog have given us so many great games in the past, and still do. You can tell that they put their heart into each games they released.

But, for whatever reason, kids these days will try their best to trash it, and disrespect the hard work of so many people involve in the creations of these games.

Giving the Last of Us 2 a score of "0" is unfair. There is a least something good in this game.

Been playing the game since release, and the attention to details from the environment to the combat is beyond any other studio have tried before.

WOW. Nice shilling for Naughty Dog there. You must really love them, don't you?

Some may not like the story, that's fair, but at the same time bias because as humans we come in many different shades. I bet some of the young brains who complain are either gay themselves or at least have a parents who is. Nothing wrong with that is just part of our human life story.

Okay... what the fuck does being gay have to do with not liking the story? I'm not gay, and I think The Last of Us 2's story is fucking shit because of the new detestable characters you're forced to play as and sympathize with, horrible pacing, lack of catharsis or any meaningful resolution and one the worst endings I've seen in gaming. That's not even mentioning general bleak and miserable atmosphere that permeates the whole game coupled with some gratuitous violence and gore that feels more at home in a snuff film than the high art that Naughty Dog and 'game journalists' purport it to be.

Diversity is always good, and if we truly respect gaming, we should stop bringing our personal opinions into every games that is releasing today..

WOW. So because this game features diversity we should just shut the fuck up and not give an opinion about it? Since it's heavy on the social justice we should be grateful it exists?

Get the fuck out of here. A piece of media being woke doesn't make it immune to criticism.

Also, nowadays everybody is acting like an expert. these young brains act has if they can create better stories or games Than Naughty Dog etc...

My advice to the youngsters coming in is:

Be respectful, and don't bash something that you yourself cannot do. We as a community needs to change...until its too late and we end up destroy it.

Ah. The ol' 'you can't make this thing so you have no right to complain' argument. By that logic, if I get served an awful dish at a restaurant I have no cause to complain because I can't cook?

Stop acting precious about this. It's a fucking videogame that people have purchased with their money. Despite what 'game journalists' will tell you, paying customers have a right to complain. And stop with gloomy talk that we're destroying gaming. An industry that makes a ton of money doesn't disappear overnight just because gamers got pissy.

Its always better to give constructive criticism instead of always acting mighty and bashing the hard work of some of these devs and gaming studios out there.

I don't know if some here will understand my message, but I hope that as a community we respect and cherish what we have....

Sorry, but who gives a fuck what kind of hard work these devs put in to making these games? All that matters is the finished product that we get to play and if we like it we give praise and continue to patronize those that do a good job.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure game development is a hard job and I have respect for those who manage a career out of it. But I'm not about to excuse a bad game because the devs worked their asses off. They still have to deliver the goods in the end.

If you ever come back and read this OP, stop with all the talk about cherishing this community. Why don't you just admit you're just pissy because gamers dared to dislike your precious Naughty Dog's title? Got to ResetEra or some other place if you want a 'gaming community' who will conform to your tastes. We're here to speak our mind.

 

[T-I-N-M-A-N dX]

Oh you’re right about the gaming community but not for the reason you described.

It’s literally just the fault of this all inclusive bullshit rhetoric, game makers, devs, publishers, forcing dumbshit the vast majority doesn’t even care about. Nothing feels like a genuine decision any more. Topics, views, sexuality, all feel forced or manipulated to appease the absolute smallest majority of people.

Did you play and experience Metroid in 1986 remember how awesome it was when Samus was revealed to be a woman. Those kinds of moments can’t exist to day without the user base feeling it’s forced. Which is sad for everyone but we only have the woke brigade to blame for it.

 

[GrayChild]

As part of the gaming community... yes, I am.

An eldritch one at that.

Cthulhu fhtagn, y'all. <3

 

[Humdinger]

"Abomination"? That's some biblical, hellfire language there.

It's okay, guys. Here are some other things which are abominations:

- homosexual acts
- sacrificing an 'imperfect' animal
- remarriage
- cross dressing
- charging interest for a loan
- lying with a woman who's on her period
- whatever mankind highly esteems

 

[ZywyPL]

Damn, I saw the thread and was all hyped and ready to go like "fuck yeah it is, gamers nowadays are this and that", only to see it's yet another TLoU2 QQ tread... I'm disappointed OP.

 

[mr.dilya]

Why'd the OP get banned?

 

[Daring7]

Sadly it’s because it’s gotten way too political. Crazies to the left and the right.

Gaming should be entertainment, no more.

 

[Endless Fluff]

Why'd the OP get banned?

@IamOnline4Real

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Jul 9, 2020

I think your own aura of self importance, the need to 'virtue troll' and the faux wikipedia/google intelligence perfectly answers your own thread. If you don't want to be a part of it, then don't. Think it over.

Ban History

Here you can see the latest site bans

www.neogaf.com

 

[pawel86ck]

Seeing as the OP was banned, he probably won't be seeing this post.

But fuck it, I need to get this off my chest



WOW. Nice shilling for Naughty Dog there. You must really love them, don't you?



Okay... what the fuck does being gay have to do with not liking the story? I'm not gay, and I think The Last of Us 2's is fucking shit because of the new detestable characters you're forced to play as and sympathize with, horrible pacing, lack of catharsis or any meaningful resolution and one the worst endings I've seen in gaming. That's not even mentioning general bleak and miserable atmosphere that permeates the whole game coupled with some gratuitous violence and gore that feels more at home in a snuff film than the high art that Naughty Dog and 'game journalists' purport it to be.



WOW. So because this game features diversity we should just shut the fuck up and not give an opinion about it? Since it's heavy on the social justice we should be grateful it exists?

Get the fuck out of here. A piece being woke doesn't make it immune to criticism.



Ah. The ol' 'you can't make this thing so you have no right to complain' argument. By that logic, if I get served an awful dish at a restaurant I have no cause to complain because I can't cook?

Stop acting precious about this. It's a fucking videogame that people have purchased with their money. Despite what 'game journalists' will tell you, paying customers have a right to complain. And stop with gloomy talk that we're destroying gaming. An industry that makes a ton of money doesn't disappear overnight just because gamers got pissy.



Sorry, but who gives a fuck what kind of hard work these devs put in to making these games? All that matters is the finished product that we get to play and if we like it we give praise and continue to patronize those that do a good job.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure game development is a hard job and I have respect for those who manage a career out of it. But I'm not about to excuse a bad game because the devs worked their asses off. They still have to deliver the goods in the end.

If you ever come back and read this OP, stop with all the talk about cherishing this community. Why don't you just admit you're just pissy because gamers dared to dislike your precious Naughty Dog's title? Got to ResetEra or some other place if you want a 'gaming community' who will conform to your tastes. We're here to speak our mind.

OP wasnt criticizing people for having different opinion, but their dishonest (driven by hateful and toxic motives) reaction. Even people who played the game and feel TLOU2 is disappointing still admit only toxic haters would rate such detailed game 0/10. Many haters even admit they didnt played the game and say absurd things like there's no difference between watching a YT movie and playing the game for real . These people are simply dishonest liars, and it's fair to call them trolls.

Your post if full of anger and I wonder why? Maybe you are the one who cant accept there are people who really like this game?

And BTW. I'm surprised your post wasnt deleted, because generally people who use similar language here are either instantly banned or removed from the disscusion. Where's moderation now?

 

[Birdo]

Here are some other things which are abominations:

- homosexual acts
- sacrificing an 'imperfect' animal
- remarriage
- cross dressing
- charging interest for a loan
- lying with a woman who's on her period
- whatever mankind highly esteems

Damn, 2 out of 7

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Can't believe the boss man went Sicko Mode on him with the first reply.

 

[rofif]

This is not gaming community only. Just social media.
I've found almost nothing but negative reviews and ending reactions of tlou2 on yt. And the comment sections are full of people who hate tlou2 and clearly have not even touched the game. It's kinda addicting and mindsetting to jump on a hate bandwagon. Glad I played the game after all since I was part of that hatetrain. You seem like going up the stream but at some point... what's the point ?

 

[GreyHorace]

OP wasnt criticizing people for having different opinion, but their dishonest (driven by hateful and toxic motives) reaction. Even people who played the game and feel TLOU2 is disappointing still admit only toxic haters would rate such detailed game 0/10. Many haters even admit they didnt played the game and say absurd things like there's no difference between watching a YT movie and playing the game for real . These people are simply dishonest liars, and it's fair to call them trolls.

Did you read his opening post? He was telling people to shut up and keep their opinions to themselves because the game is 'diverse' and that we're not master developers like Naughty Dog.

The only one being dishonest here is you.

 

[pawel86ck]

Did you read his opening post? He was telling people to shut up and keep their opinions to themselves because the game is 'diverse' and that we're not master developers like Naughty Dog.

The only one being dishonest here is you.

That's your interpretation, but he didnt used your exact (rude) words.

He said people should "give constructive criticism", and dont you know what it means?

 

[GreyHorace]

That's your interpretation, but he didnt used your exact (rude) words.

He said people should "give constructive criticism", and dont you know what it means?

Funny. 'Constructive criticism' was the same words Bioware founder Ray Muzyka used when addressing the Mass Effect 3 controversy back in 2012.

BioWare Co-Founder Apologizes To Fans For The Mass Effect 3 Ending - Sort Of

Ray Muzyka, founder of BioWare, in 2011. (Photo credit: Wikipedia) I'm not sure what to make of BioWare co-founder Dr. Ray Muzyka's apology to Mass Effect fans for the mass disappointment surrounding the finale of the third game. The angry fan response was "painful" to hear, Muzyka writes. "Our...

www.forbes.com

It was a shit argument then as it is now. People pay for these products and they can voice their displeasure about it however they want. Not everyone is articulate enough to form 'constructive criticism' but they have to right to be heard all the same.

 

[cormack12]

Did you play and experience Metroid in 1986 remember how awesome it was when Samus was revealed to be a woman. Those kinds of moments can’t exist to day without the user base feeling it’s forced. Which is sad for everyone but we only have the woke brigade to blame for it.

Because current day means there would be a 3 month marketing cycle around how the upcoming character is a gay, non binary woman instead of just showing it in the game. People will react to insincerity, it's always been this way. Putting the foot on the other shoe for a minute, if it's so easy to reduce the issue down to this point you make...

Why didn't people care that Chloe was gay in LiS?
Why didn't people care Bill was gay in TLOU I?
Why didn't people make a fuss of Ellie being gay in LB?
Why don't people complain about Sylens being black in Horizon?
Why didn't people complain about Marlene being black?
Why didn't people complain about playing as Kameo?
Why did no-one complain about Zoe being a diversity female in L4D?
Why did no-one complain about Cassandra in DA:I?

That's just off the top of my head and there are so many more examples.

 

[LaughingStock]

So what if people want to give TLOU2 a 0/10? How does it affect your life?
The game will still be a huge success despite some people hating it. Let them hate.

 

[pawel86ck]

Funny. 'Constructive criticism' was the same words Bioware founder Ray Muzyka used when addressing the Mass Effect 3 controversy back in 2012.

BioWare Co-Founder Apologizes To Fans For The Mass Effect 3 Ending - Sort Of

Ray Muzyka, founder of BioWare, in 2011. (Photo credit: Wikipedia) I'm not sure what to make of BioWare co-founder Dr. Ray Muzyka's apology to Mass Effect fans for the mass disappointment surrounding the finale of the third game. The angry fan response was "painful" to hear, Muzyka writes. "Our...

www.forbes.com

It was a shit argument then as it is now. People pay for these products and they can voice their displeasure about it however they want. Not everyone is articulate enough to form 'constructive criticism' but they have to right to be heard all the same.

Well at you admit haters arnt so bright if they cant post nothing more than one sentence (usually "game is shit" ). But even people without writing skills should be honest. Such low score like 0/10 imply game is not even working.

 

[GreenAlien]

Well at you admit haters arnt so bright if they cant post nothing more than one sentence (usually "game is shit" ). But even people without writing skills should be honest. Such low score like 0/10 imply game is not even working.

You have to counter those 10/10 somehow.

If people are allowed to feel it's the best ever, even though it's clearly objectively not.. why are they not allowed to feel that the game is utter trash?

 

[Tiamat2san]

Giving the Last of Us 2 a score of "0" is unfair. There is a least something good in this game.

Giving it a 10/10 is wrong too.

The problem is deep in the society.
We need to grade everything.
Games , movies, food, the guy who sell you something, the cash register guy,
And only high grade or low grades matter
7 is mediocre nowadays.
WTF ?
I remember the good old days when you bought a game sometimes based on the cover in a store.
Sometimes it was good, sometimes it was shit.
There was only your choice or the choice of someone you knew.

Not a million assholes who think they know better what’s good for everybody.

Stop paying attention to strangers on the web or social networks.

If I had to really grade fairly TLOU 2, it would be 8/10 which is very good in my book.

 

[pawel86ck]

You have to counter those 10/10 somehow.

If people are allowed to feel it's the best ever, even though it's clearly objectively not.. why are they not allowed to feel that the game is utter trash?

Objectively no game is perfect, however TLOU2 is very close, otherwise professional reviewers would never give so many 10/10. TLOU1 was already 10/10 in my book, and I think TLOU2 is even better (at least that's my opinion).

 

[Saber]

Objectively no game is perfect, however TLOU2 is very close

Thats not the point. People praise the shit out of 10 with only "fantastic" and call 0 in the same fashion either troll, homophobics or problematics. This is just some dumb shit attitude of "as long people praise and give 10 to my game, then its fine". The same demented attitude presented by OP.

If in your book you can tag as a 10 so people can tag as 0, simple as that.

 

[GreyHorace]

Well at you admit haters arnt so bright if they cant post nothing more than one sentence (usually "game is shit" ). But even people without writing skills should be honest. Such low score like 0/10 imply game is not even working.

Who the hell made you the arbiter of how people should scare a game? It's their opinion, not yours. They can rate it however they want even if their reasoning is nonsense.

 

[Clear]

daninthemix is spot on. Aggresively defensive fanboys are the worst.

I kinda agree. I mean what kind of emotionally retarded fanboy fucktard throws his/her/they toys out of the pram because of trivia like how the fate of characters in a videogame pan out?

I mean getting worked up because you are a homophobe/anti-SJW/platform warrior type is demented and sad, but at least I can sorta see what you'd hope to get out of the hate.

The former lot though? With all the shit going down in the world today this is what you choose to get inflamed about?

 

[Jtibh]

Seeing as the OP was banned, he probably won't be seeing this post.

But fuck it, I need to get this off my chest



WOW. Nice shilling for Naughty Dog there. You must really love them, don't you?



Okay... what the fuck does being gay have to do with not liking the story? I'm not gay, and I think The Last of Us 2's story is fucking shit because of the new detestable characters you're forced to play as and sympathize with, horrible pacing, lack of catharsis or any meaningful resolution and one the worst endings I've seen in gaming. That's not even mentioning general bleak and miserable atmosphere that permeates the whole game coupled with some gratuitous violence and gore that feels more at home in a snuff film than the high art that Naughty Dog and 'game journalists' purport it to be.



WOW. So because this game features diversity we should just shut the fuck up and not give an opinion about it? Since it's heavy on the social justice we should be grateful it exists?

Get the fuck out of here. A piece of media being woke doesn't make it immune to criticism.



Ah. The ol' 'you can't make this thing so you have no right to complain' argument. By that logic, if I get served an awful dish at a restaurant I have no cause to complain because I can't cook?

Stop acting precious about this. It's a fucking videogame that people have purchased with their money. Despite what 'game journalists' will tell you, paying customers have a right to complain. And stop with gloomy talk that we're destroying gaming. An industry that makes a ton of money doesn't disappear overnight just because gamers got pissy.



Sorry, but who gives a fuck what kind of hard work these devs put in to making these games? All that matters is the finished product that we get to play and if we like it we give praise and continue to patronize those that do a good job.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure game development is a hard job and I have respect for those who manage a career out of it. But I'm not about to excuse a bad game because the devs worked their asses off. They still have to deliver the goods in the end.

If you ever come back and read this OP, stop with all the talk about cherishing this community. Why don't you just admit you're just pissy because gamers dared to dislike your precious Naughty Dog's title? Got to ResetEra or some other place if you want a 'gaming community' who will conform to your tastes. We're here to speak our mind.

He wont come back. If he does i give it 2 days before perm.

 

[pawel86ck]

Thats not the point. People praise the shit out of 10 with only "fantastic" and call 0 in the same fashion either troll, homophobics or problematics. This is just some dumb shit attitude of "as long people praise and give 10 to my game, then its fine". The same demented attitude presented by OP.

If in your book you can tag as a 10 so people can tag as 0, simple as that.

I rarely rate games as high as 10/10, and I can list many reasons why TLOU2 deserves 10/10. People who rate TLOU2 0/10 can usually write only one sentence, and not to mention most of them didnt even played the game. How people can express their opinion about something they havent even tried? If you review something you havent even tried for yourself, then you are basically lying other people.

How many people here on neogaf who played TLOU2 for real would rate it 0/10? In my thread about this game they were indeed few people who were disappointed with this game, however even they have admited it's still 6-8/10 in the end, a far cry from 0/10.

 

[Steve.1981]

I kinda agree. I mean what kind of emotionally retarded fanboy fucktard throws his/her/they toys out of the pram because of trivia like how the fate of characters in a videogame pan out?

I sense a message behind these words. I'm wondering who is this emotionally retarded fanboy fucktard you speak of...

 

[Woggleman]

It's funny how in the game both sides at the end up as bad as each other and here we go

This, all I'm asking is for people to be little reasonable, some of you guys are acting as ND did some kind of personal attack against your beliefs or something.

Exactly. I understand some people want to fight back against the woke extremists but I really feel they are picking the wrong target and it actually hurts the anti-SJW cause.